LCW whitewashed Taufik

[bananakid]

LCW thrashed Taufik at this year's Ina open just a few months before the world championship. HOWEVER, a smiliar situation occured back at the Mas open 2005 which was also months before the world championship 2005.

We all know what happened that time, Taufik whitewashed LCW in the semi of the WC05 even though LCW gave Taufik a big 15-0 in one set at the Mas open 2005 just a few months before.

WILL HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF AGAIN? WILL TAUFIK WHITEWASH LCW IN THIS COMING WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP?:confused:

[Dokkie]

i hope so, but i don't think so

[dassad]

i see from now on a verb whitewash will be a main in badminton discussions?

[madbad]

If you actually watched the IO final, you'll see TH has very little left against elite level players. He's simply not quick enough or have the stamina to hang with the likes of LD and LCW. It saddens me to say he looked rather pedestrian.

Even with the rabid fans backing him, he barely made a dent on LCW. Plus TH is 4 years older than in 2005, so I think it's highly unlikely TH will be able to overturn LCW this time round (if they meet)

[limsy]

haha,so cute
well,are th in 2009 the th we knew in 2005?
sorry,no

[ctjcad]

LCW thrashed Taufik at this year's Ina open just a few months before the world championship. HOWEVER, a smiliar situation occured back at the Mas open 2005 which was also months before the world championship 2005.

We all know what happened that time, Taufik whitewashed LCW in the semi of the WC05 even though LCW gave Taufik a big 15-0 in one set at the Mas open 2005 just a few months before.

WILL HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF AGAIN? WILL TAUFIK WHITEWASH LCW IN THIS COMING WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP?:confused:
..a definite No & absolute No.
Remember also, Taufik had won the S'pore Open MS title, a couple months before the 2005 WC. This yr and last yr and the yr before, Taufik has done diddly-squat except winning a handful of GP or GP Gold tourneys.
So, it's safe to say to all the LinDan' and Datuk LCW's fans that Taufik is no longer a threat to their goal of winning and smooching that WC MS title.:cool:

[szekt]

I didnt get to see TH previous matches before the finals and was really surprised he even made it this far, given his finals performance with LCW; he seemed to be out of steam most of the time and he didnt seem to be able to counter LCW's jumping smashes most of the time....:D

[markchan]

The TH we saw yesterday was far from the TH of WC05.
I am glad that LCW managed to shrug off his 2nd round defeat in SO. Perhaps his win over CJ gave him extra confidence for the final and TH just had no answer to LCW's jump smashes. However during the early 2nd set, I thot LCW was going to self destruct by making many unforced errors. Luckily TH didnt managed to take advantage of his big lead.
I would say WC09 still belongs to either LCW or LD.

[jasonmarc]

TH still facing stamina problems.......he has to play BP,...PG....SDK before LCW....he was worn out before reched final......

If he able to overcome his stamina problems.........maybe....!

If he able to bring back his old self like 2005,.....he can beat LD......if they meet...in WC 09............but is that possible...?

[huangkwokhau]

LCW thrashed Taufik at this year's Ina open just a few months before the world championship. HOWEVER, a smiliar situation occured back at the Mas open 2005 which was also months before the world championship 2005.

We all know what happened that time, Taufik whitewashed LCW in the semi of the WC05 even though LCW gave Taufik a big 15-0 in one set at the Mas open 2005 just a few months before.

WILL HISTORY REPEAT ITSELF AGAIN? WILL TAUFIK WHITEWASH LCW IN THIS COMING WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP?:confused:
lAST TIME.YOU CALLED A "JERK" TO START THE THREAD lcw WHITEWHASH ld" NOW YOU START THIS THREAD...ARE YOU A JERK' NOW?

[Loh]

Unless there is a great transformation in TH's game and fitness, I doubt TH can come close to LCW at the forthcoming WC in India.

Indeed TH looked rather 'pedestrian' yesterday and it was painful to see him in such a plight! He was just a second too slow and his defence was not good enough against a fit and quick player like LCW now. His lifts and clears were too shallow to allow LCW to 'kill' them at ease.

Perhaps LCW has been taught a lesson during his recent loss to Vietnam's NTM at the SIN SS not to take things for granted and if he could continue with this kind of display against TH yesterday and improve further, LCW will stand a very good chance to be crowned World Champion to justify his World No.1 ranking.

It would seem that LD could stand in his way. But LD lost to compatriot CJ in the QF who in turn was confidently disposed of by LCW during the SF 21-15, 22-20. LD was thought by some to have been injured during the rubber, so if LD could recover in time, sparks will fly if the two should meet in the WC final.

LCW must reassure himself that he can do it and dispel all thoughts on his habitual weak mental strength. He should concentrate on video recordings of how CJ beat LD recently to motivate and inspire his own confidence.

But I would also not discount BCL, the recent SIN SS champion, who had to forgo the INA SS to seek help on his injured knee. A fully fit BCL will pose a danger to all WC aspirants! :)

[danielwong]

lAST TIME.YOU CALLED A "JERK" TO START THE THREAD lcw WHITEWHASH ld" NOW YOU START THIS THREAD...ARE YOU A JERK' NOW?


as long as he is doing something that is against Boleh fans
he will be happy and think he is right....:cool::cool:
let him be....

[jasonmarc]

lAST TIME.YOU CALLED A "JERK" TO START THE THREAD lcw WHITEWHASH ld" NOW YOU START THIS THREAD...ARE YOU A JERK' NOW?

Thank you for reminding him.................:D:D

[limsy]

lAST TIME.YOU CALLED A "JERK" TO START THE THREAD lcw WHITEWHASH ld" NOW YOU START THIS THREAD...ARE YOU A JERK' NOW?

aiya,why tell/remind him?:confused:
let he live in his own world,he happy,then ok:p

[Oldhand]

Keep off the jerky posts, folks :(

[weeyeh]

Indeed TH looked rather 'pedestrian' yesterday and it was painful to see him in such a plight! He was just a second too slow and his defence was not good enough against a fit and quick player like LCW now. His lifts and clears were too shallow to allow LCW to 'kill' them at ease.

I did not get to watch the match (yet) but am saddened by the scores. It was something I sort of expected given his rather long match with PG but still disappointed nevertheless. I was hoping for the INA crowd give TH a boost to at least put up a reasonable fight.

I'm not too hopeful for TH at WC after seeing CJ and BCL at SO.

[szekt]

I did not get to watch the match (yet) but am saddened by the scores. It was something I sort of expected given his rather long match with PG but still disappointed nevertheless. I was hoping for the INA crowd give TH a boost to at least put up a reasonable fight.

I'm not too hopeful for TH at WC after seeing CJ and BCL at SO.

Yup, it is quite sad cos I always remebered TH as some young prodigy with all the trick shots years back...of course he is older now but to see in the finals how he doesnt seem to have any answers to LCW's play, it is a bit disheartening.....anyways, how old is TH??:confused:

[ctjcad]

.....anyways, how old is TH??:confused:
..TH was born in August of 1981, so they say. So, that'll make him 28 yrs young this coming August. Could be older...

...It would seem that LD could stand in his way. But LD lost to compatriot CJ in the QF who in turn was confidently disposed of by LCW during the SF 21-15, 22-20. LD was thought by some to have been injured during the rubber, so if LD could recover in time, sparks will fly if the two should meet in the WC final.
...
..was LinDan injured in the 3rd game of his match vs. Chen Jin?? I haven't read such account..:confused:

...
If he able to bring back his old self like 2005,.....he can beat LD......if they meet...in WC 09............but is that possible...?
..well, he has roughly less than 2 months to prepare. Full fitness training starts with the M'sia GP Gold, then followed by the Bay Badminton Challenge (in S.F.), followed by the U.S. Open...;):cool:

[juniarto]

I Think will be very tough for TH to compete with Lin Dan or LCW for next years. I know he's still the best for skill ( his stroke very amazing ), but he is not a hard worker player, lazy to train his stamina ( you saw that his speed, stamina turn down over and over ). I hope his agreement with Yonex about his apparel brand with pump up his motivation. TH's enemy was not LCW or LD, but himself.

[jasonmarc]

I think TH's target is WC 09............he will work very hard to WC.....

If he does,....

[Dr. Evil]

If you actually watched the IO final, you'll see TH has very little left against elite level players. He's simply not quick enough or have the stamina to hang with the likes of LD and LCW. It saddens me to say he looked rather pedestrian.

Even with the rabid fans backing him, he barely made a dent on LCW. Plus TH is 4 years older than in 2005, so I think it's highly unlikely TH will be able to overturn LCW this time round (if they meet)

If I remember well, Taufik is just a year older than LCW so age don't really play such a big factor.......... yet. So yes, it is possible for Taufik to get stronger and fitter but I doubt he could do it in 2 month time. If he train like LCW (60 hours of hard work per week) for the next 6 month, then there is a high possibility we can see a WC05 Taufik.

The reason why Taufik lost badly to LCW yesterday is because his gameplan is no longer effective. We all know Taufik typical game, tight net shot follow by power smash and if the opponet manage to defend against his smash, he rushes forward and a trick shot (fake drive etc). However now his smash is weaker and his speed is slower, plus he don't have the stamina to sustain, so how to win.

[ctjcad]

..Taufik doesn't have the fitness/stamina/quickness/speed to hang with da big boys..:cool:

[madbad]

If I remember well, Taufik is just a year older than LCW so age don't really play such a big factor.......... yet. So yes, it is possible for Taufik to get stronger and fitter but I doubt he could do it in 2 month time. If he train like LCW (60 hours of hard work per week) for the next 6 month, then there is a high possibility we can see a WC05 Taufik.

The reason why Taufik lost badly to LCW yesterday is because his gameplan is no longer effective. We all know Taufik typical game, tight net shot follow by power smash and if the opponet manage to defend against his smash, he rushes forward and a trick shot (fake drive etc). However now his smash is weaker and his speed is slower, plus he don't have the stamina to sustain, so how to win.

It all starts with fitness. If TH is not willing to put in the hard hours to reach a fitness level to compete with the elite players, the rest of his game won't matter. Sure he can still beat most of the other with his talent but when LCW is running him ragged and returning everything (including the kitchen sink) TH can throw at him...

You know, sometimes it's simple hard work that can give you the edge.

[Dr. Evil]

It all starts with fitness. If TH is not willing to put in the hard hours to reach a fitness level to compete with the elite players, the rest of his game won't matter. Sure he can still beat most of the other with his talent but when LCW is running him ragged and returning everything (including the kitchen sink) TH can throw at him...

You know, sometimes it's simple hard work that can give you the edge.

Agreed but at the same time I can also understand what Taufik is going through. For someone who been going to gym for the past 6 years, I also find it hard to maintain self motivation and disipline to train regularly. Usually I would gung ho for 3 month, then falter for another 3 month, then gung ho again...... like a freakin graph. Now maybe if there are more pretty chick in my gym........

[madbad]

Agreed but at the same time I can also understand what Taufik is going through. For someone who been going to gym for the past 6 years, I also find it hard to maintain self motivation and disipline to train regularly. Usually I would gung ho for 3 month, then falter for another 3 month, then gung ho again...... like a freakin graph. Now maybe if there are more pretty chick in my gym........

Well, TH's situation is a little different. The need to train to be in tip top physical condition is a must for him to earn his living. He's just lucky his talent carried him longer than most. This, in a sense may have led to his bad training habits, the results of which we can see now. But at the same time his marriage into a wealthy family means his financial future is set, hence the desire to put in those hard hours in the gym gets diminished.

I still think no matter how much he rededicates himself to the cause, he'll still be one step behind LD and LCW.

[eaglehelang]

........If he train like LCW (60 hours of hard work per week) for the next 6 month, then there is a high possibility we can see a WC05 Taufik.

.......

Wah, they train 60 hours per week? As far as I know, even CHina players train 5.5 days a week.In Msia, it's supposed half day on Wed & Sat. Lets say 8 Hrs X 6 days = 48 hours, unless you mean train extra on their own at nite.:p

[juniarto]

I agree...because I know from trusted persons about TH's and how he trained in this past recent years before he decided out from PELATNAS ( Indonesia's national training center for badminton ).I think it will be difficult for him to beat LD or LCW if his condition like now. He must be motivate himself & train harder

[hcyong]

27 is still a young age. It's up to him. His skills and strength are still apparent. The only difference is his speed. So, if he is willing to put up with hard work, then he can even win the next Olympic gold.

But the WC is too near. No measure of hard work can restore his physical fitness in this short amount of time.

[Oldhand]

27 is still a young age. It's up to him. His skills and strength are still apparent. The only difference is his speed. So, if he is willing to put up with hard work, then he can even win the next Olympic gold.

But the WC is too near. No measure of hard work can restore his physical fitness in this short amount of time.
Ahem!
He's 27 'officially' ;)

[juniarto]

Well, TH's situation is a little different. The need to train to be in tip top physical condition is a must for him to earn his living. He's just lucky his talent carried him longer than most. This, in a sense may have led to his bad training habits, the results of which we can see now. But at the same time his marriage into a wealthy family means his financial future is set, hence the desire to put in those hard hours in the gym gets diminished.

I still think no matter how much he rededicates himself to the cause, he'll still be one step behind LD and LCW.
Agreed...
your opinion exactly right!!!
I knew the story about TH from my friend & my brother ( they are Indonesian player too ). He's very talented player but with the lowest discipline... He can beat most of player but when he met LD & LCW I think will be difficult

[ye333]

I guess I am the only one who thought TH has improved in stamina and speed in the past few months.:D Maybe I should watch AE SF and Super Series MSSF and India Open final again to make sure. :D

[Dr. Evil]

Wah, they train 60 hours per week? As far as I know, even CHina players train 5.5 days a week.In Msia, it's supposed half day on Wed & Sat. Lets say 8 Hrs X 6 days = 48 hours, unless you mean train extra on their own at nite.:p

I don't know lah, I just quote whatever LCW said. You can check out the interview in youtube. It was during the 09 Swiss Open. The guy ask him how many hours he train a day and he said 60 hours a week.

[ctjcad]

I guess I am the only one who thought TH has improved in stamina and speed in the past few months.:D Maybe I should watch AE SF and Super Series MSSF and India Open final again to make sure. :D
;)..and also the 2008 Macau Open, 2008 HK Open SS, 2008 French Open SS, 2006 Asian Games, 2006 Japan Open MS Final, 2005 World Championships MS Final and 2004 Olympics MS Final..

Btw, i thought i read somewhere recently that Taufik has been training really hard after his resignation from Pelatnas??..:confused:..

[ye333]

From what I see in the MSF, I would believe this.



Btw, i thought i read somewhere recently that Taufik has been training really hard after his resignation from Pelatnas??..:confused:..

[Han]

I guess I am the only one who thought TH has improved in stamina and speed in the past few months.:D Maybe I should watch AE SF and Super Series MSSF and India Open final again to make sure. :D

Tuafik did improve his stamina except others improved more? :D
I haven't seen Taufik got outplayed that much before, it wasn't like Chong Wei was really on fire similar to Lin Dan during the Olympic Final, rather, Taufik just simply awful. How come no one suspected Soni intentional let Taufik win in SF? :D

[hcyong]

Tuafik did improve his stamina except others improved more? :D
I haven't seen Taufik got outplayed that much before, it wasn't like Chong Wei was really on fire similar to Lin Dan during the Olympic Final, rather, Taufik just simply awful. How come no one suspected Soni intentional let Taufik win in SF? :D

Sony and Taufik are in different camps?

Furthermore, there is no precedence (that I know of) of Indonesians throwing their matches against their team-mates.

[limsy]

well,to be honest,th situation is just like what lcw face in og
they beat tough tough opponent in early round then lost tamely in final
th beat the on form boonsak(last week runner up),having 3 tough set with peter gade,ko sdk
and then lost 9-21,14-21 in final
if he really that weak,how he enter final?
stamina is the problem,but,is that the major one?

[madbad]

well,to be honest,th situation is just like what lcw face in og
they beat tough tough opponent in early round then lost tamely in final
th beat the on form boonsak(last week runner up),having 3 tough set with peter gade,ko sdk
and then lost 9-21,14-21 in final
if he really that weak,how he enter final?
stamina is the problem,but,is that the major one?

Hi limsy, I think speed is another major factor. TH was struggling quite badly against LCW in this department, forcing him to throw up easy opportunities for LCW to kill. It happened time and time again. TH barely made a dent with his own smash while he was helpless against LCW's. Yes, I think TH was a little tired from overcoming so many tough opponents but that doesn't change the fact he has aged and slowed down. Against the likes of LD and LCW, it's like starting the match 0-5 (or more)

[Han]

Sony and Taufik are in different camps?

Furthermore, there is no precedence (that I know of) of Indonesians throwing their matches against their team-mates.

You didn't read about Swie King was ordered to lose to Rudy Hartono to make history in All England?

[X Ball]

LCW is going from strength to strength. He is no longer noted to be mentally weak. He is fast, agile and mentally strong even in the worst crowd.

His skills are great to watch - Chen Jin after beating Lin Dan, was not able to beat LCW. LCW has got to be proud of himself now that he has achieved. In the coming WC, he gets to prove his worth. I think it is going to be an emotional win for him but I will hold my breath until then.

Keep whitewashing !

[pjswift]

I'm impressed with TH's improvement in fitness and stamina.The fact that TH can win three tough matches in a row against solid opponents is proof. TH had no chance against LCW in the final because LCW is so much fresher but more importantly, LCW now knows how to play TH, has no fear of him and is able to stay focussed in spite of a hostile crowd. Both are going great. TH is now highly motivated to win. LCW is more mature and independent in his thinking now. I'm happy for both and we lucky fans are in for more fantastic badminton.

[hcyong]

You didn't read about Swie King was ordered to lose to Rudy Hartono to make history in All England?

Ah yes, how could I forget? But then, they were team-mates, under the same stable, same boss. Sony and Taufik have different bosses now.

[jasonmarc]

I'm impressed with TH's improvement in fitness and stamina.The fact that TH can win three tough matches in a row against solid opponents is proof. TH had no chance against LCW in the final because LCW is so much fresher but more importantly, LCW now knows how to play TH, has no fear of him and is able to stay focussed in spite of a hostile crowd. Both are going great. TH is now highly motivated to win. LCW is more mature and independent in his thinking now. I'm happy for both and we lucky fans are in for more fantastic badminton.

Yes, plus LCW is playing without Misbun's guidance.....for past few months...:D:D

still able to beat CJ....TH......and win title.

[ctjcad]

From what I see in the MSF, I would believe this.
..believe TH has been training hard lately based on what?? on the scoreline??..personally, from what i watched, the scoreline didn't reflect much of what really happened out there. It was like LCW going 60 km/h and Taufik going 35 km/h. Even at the end of the match, when both LCW and Taufik shook hands and got a bit comfy, Taufik's expression was still at a lost. It's as if he thought to himself "Is it really over?"...

Tuafik did improve his stamina except others improved more? :D
I haven't seen Taufik got outplayed that much before, it wasn't like Chong Wei was really on fire similar to Lin Dan during the Olympic Final, rather, Taufik just simply awful. How come no one suspected Soni intentional let Taufik win in SF? :D
..the last part, that idea crossed my mind a bit. But then again, considering Sony hasn't been much of a bright spot lately, i wasn't surprised. I thought their match would've gone to rubber games.

Or maybe, just maybe, Taufik indeed had the stamina but entertained LCW in the MS Final and simply................................gifted the match to his best friend...heheh (i'm gonna so get run by the M'sian BCers)..:p;)

[Loh]

LCW is going from strength to strength. He is no longer noted to be mentally weak. He is fast, agile and mentally strong even in the worst crowd.

His skills are great to watch - Chen Jin after beating Lin Dan, was not able to beat LCW. LCW has got to be proud of himself now that he has achieved. In the coming WC, he gets to prove his worth. I think it is going to be an emotional win for him but I will hold my breath until then.

Keep whitewashing !

Now the great X Ball has decided to show up at long last! :D

Confident pronouncements he has made. :eek:
I just hope nobody's going to whitewash on a blank wall. :p

Care to wager again, Mr X Ball? :D

[weeyeh]

Or maybe, just maybe, Taufik entertained LCW in the MS Final and simply................................gifted the match to his best friend...heheh (i'm gonna so get run by the M'sian BCers)..:p;)

You will need to run from TH fans as well trying to pull a cooler.. I doubt TH was that generous. TH seems to have had a very very bad day.

[ctjcad]

..Taufik, simply, wasn't ready for the task..:o

[volcom]

If I remember well, Taufik is just a year older than LCW so age don't really play such a big factor.......... yet. So yes, it is possible for Taufik to get stronger and fitter but I doubt he could do it in 2 month time. If he train like LCW (60 hours of hard work per week) for the next 6 month, then there is a high possibility we can see a WC05 Taufik.

The reason why Taufik lost badly to LCW yesterday is because his gameplan is no longer effective. We all know Taufik typical game, tight net shot follow by power smash and if the opponet manage to defend against his smash, he rushes forward and a trick shot (fake drive etc). However now his smash is weaker and his speed is slower, plus he don't have the stamina to sustain, so how to win.

Taufik is 30-31...
And smoking is not doing his stamina any good.

[Dr. Evil]

Taufik is 30-31...
And smoking is not doing his stamina any good.

Nope, Taufik is 27. You should check his profile. Even the commentor state his age to be 27. But yeah, he might as well be 31 if he continue smoking

[Dr. Evil]

Tuafik did improve his stamina except others improved more? :D
I haven't seen Taufik got outplayed that much before, it wasn't like Chong Wei was really on fire similar to Lin Dan during the Olympic Final, rather, Taufik just simply awful. How come no one suspected Soni intentional let Taufik win in SF? :D

If you ask me, I think the others (LCW, Lindan, Gade) are already in their peak physical fitness since 2 year ago. To improve further, they will have to take steriods.

Taufik slowed down in term of reaction and that make it hard for him to defend against smashes. 4 years ago he had no problem with Lindan's smashes which is obviously faster than LCW, now different story.

I was checking out the China Master 07 matches between LCW and Taufik and whenever LCW did a similar smash almost down the line to his forehand, Taufik had no problem retriving it. In AE09 and IO09, he wasn't even fast enough to react.

[weeyeh]

..Taufik, simply, wasn't ready for the task..:o

I think with the gap between the 2 players, TH will need to dig very very deep into himself to beat LCW. TH still pose a threat nevertheless but I think the general odds are more like 70-30.

TH committed a lot of errors (many of them unforced) and was too slow to return to defend. He only managed to pull one backhand smash and that went way out. Wasn't doing that well on his turf (the net) either although he did get a few winners from there. All his smashes were either too safe (well inside the court) or they went out.

LCW ran with the title once he started to rein in his errors and TH never quite stablised himself. LCW didn't even bother to contest that dubious line call.

[limsy]

Taufik is 30-31...
And smoking is not doing his stamina any good.


Nope, Taufik is 27. You should check his profile. Even the commentor state his age to be 27. But yeah, he might as well be 31 if he continue smoking

th is 2 year older than his OFFICIAL age;)

[weeyeh]

If you ask me, I think the others (LCW, Lindan, Gade) are already in their peak physical fitness since 2 year ago. To improve further, they will have to take steriods.

Hmm.. I believe LCW was as fit as he ever was in around June - Aug 2008. The way he obliterated every player except LHI on the way to the OG finals was totally impressive. I didn't get to see a single LD match but based on what I saw in TC2008 and all I've seen from LD, I was quite sure LCW would take the title.

LD in OG finals left me speechless. I watched the match in full 3 times. I've never seen LD as fast ever.

I do not buy the steriods theory but I believe the training has been timed so they will all peak during the OG. Similarly, the biggest event for China is SC so it will be interesting to see if the Chinese players peak again for WC.

[ye333]

That's true. TH's reaction is getting slower and slower. However, I suspect that he can get some improvement on this if he can find some good sparring partner. If he can do that, I believe he can be a real threat to LD and LCW again.

It is said that when preparing for OG08, LD often practised 1 vs 3, with FHF firing smashes after smashes toward him. No wonder he can retrieve most smashes easily when playing a regular 1 vs 1 game. :)


If you ask me, I think the others (LCW, Lindan, Gade) are already in their peak physical fitness since 2 year ago. To improve further, they will have to take steriods.

Taufik slowed down in term of reaction and that make it hard for him to defend against smashes. 4 years ago he had no problem with Lindan's smashes which is obviously faster than LCW, now different story.

I was checking out the China Master 07 matches between LCW and Taufik and whenever LCW did a similar smash almost down the line to his forehand, Taufik had no problem retriving it. In AE09 and IO09, he wasn't even fast enough to react.

[ye333]

Same impression here. LCW was quite impressive before the SF. I actually thought LCW should have slight edge over LD based on LCW's performance before QF and LD vs PG.

LD in OG final... It seems he didn't need any time to react, and his body didn't need any time to adjust. He moved in the right direction as soon as (if not earlier than) the birdie left LCW's racket. :eek:

Maybe LYB has found some new secret training method. Because LD was so much faster than himself in 06 WC and 07 WC final -- he must peaked in these events too.


Hmm.. I believe LCW was as fit as he ever was in around June - Aug 2008. The way he obliterated every player except LHI on the way to the OG finals was totally impressive. I didn't get to see a single LD match but based on what I saw in TC2008 and all I've seen from LD, I was quite sure LCW would take the title.

LD in OG finals left me speechless. I watched the match in full 3 times. I've never seen LD as fast ever.

I do not buy the steriods theory but I believe the training has been timed so they will all peak during the OG. Similarly, the biggest event for China is SC so it will be interesting to see if the Chinese players peak again for WC.

[LazyBuddy]

Judging from TH's recent performance, I doubt he can put up any surprise against the likes of LD or LCW. However, TH might be the only one no top MS player can really put into the "safe box", due to his amazing talent.

So, I will keep it as 99% no as for now. :p

[alfa-2]

Now the great X Ball has decided to show up at long last! :D

Confident pronouncements he has made. :eek:
I just hope nobody's going to whitewash on a blank wall. :p

Care to wager again, Mr X Ball? :D

X Ball....sell ur car and ur house, in fact sell anything and everything......support Dato!!!!!! :D:D:D:D

[cooler]

..believe TH has been training hard lately based on what?? on the scoreline??..personally, from what i watched, the scoreline didn't reflect much of what really happened out there. It was like LCW going 60 km/h and Taufik going 35 km/h. Even at the end of the match, when both LCW and Taufik shook hands and got a bit comfy, Taufik's expression was still at a lost. It's as if he thought to himself "Is it really over?"...

..the last part, that idea crossed my mind a bit. But then again, considering Sony hasn't been much of a bright spot lately, i wasn't surprised. I thought their match would've gone to rubber games.

Or maybe, just maybe, Taufik indeed had the stamina but entertained LCW in the MS Final and simply................................gifted the match to his best friend...heheh (i'm gonna so get run by the M'sian BCers)..:p;)

I thot TH was too busy lately in reviewing and demoing new line of sport clothings.:D

I didn't get to watch SDK vs TH match so i can't say it was fixed or not but it seem lately, everyone is so generous: SDK gifting to TH, TH gifting to LCW. I guess they all want to play like lin dan:p

[drifit]

LCW is going from strength to strength. He is no longer noted to be mentally weak. He is fast, agile and mentally strong even in the worst crowd.

His skills are great to watch - Chen Jin after beating Lin Dan, was not able to beat LCW. LCW has got to be proud of himself now that he has achieved. In the coming WC, he gets to prove his worth. I think it is going to be an emotional win for him but I will hold my breath until then.

Keep whitewashing !
is that mean LCW whitewashed LD? :D

is getting bored with this kind thread.
keep using the bleach.

nevertheless, i do wish Taufik can get back his bite.

[Dr. Evil]

Hmm.. I believe LCW was as fit as he ever was in around June - Aug 2008. The way he obliterated every player except LHI on the way to the OG finals was totally impressive. I didn't get to see a single LD match but based on what I saw in TC2008 and all I've seen from LD, I was quite sure LCW would take the title.

LD in OG finals left me speechless. I watched the match in full 3 times. I've never seen LD as fast ever.

I do not buy the steriods theory but I believe the training has been timed so they will all peak during the OG. Similarly, the biggest event for China is SC so it will be interesting to see if the Chinese players peak again for WC.

Dude, I'm not saying the players are taking steriod. I'm saying that they already reach the peak of their physical fitness and if they want to go any further (beyond normal human), then..........

[Dr. Evil]

th is 2 year older than his OFFICIAL age;)

Why is that.............................

[ye333]

Well, based on how he runs around this time. Of course not the scoreline. TH has been playing a more aggressive style (comparing with his style in the recent years, not his style in his peak years) recently. The fact that he could do this throughout the whole tournament leads me to the conclusion that he must have trained harder than before.


..believe TH has been training hard lately based on what?? on the scoreline??..personally, from what i watched, the scoreline didn't reflect much of what really happened out there. It was like LCW going 60 km/h and Taufik going 35 km/h. Even at the end of the match, when both LCW and Taufik shook hands and got a bit comfy, Taufik's expression was still at a lost. It's as if he thought to himself "Is it really over?"...

..the last part, that idea crossed my mind a bit. But then again, considering Sony hasn't been much of a bright spot lately, i wasn't surprised. I thought their match would've gone to rubber games.

Or maybe, just maybe, Taufik indeed had the stamina but entertained LCW in the MS Final and simply................................gifted the match to his best friend...heheh (i'm gonna so get run by the M'sian BCers)..:p;)

[Athelete1234]

If you ask me, I think the others (LCW, Lindan, Gade) are already in their peak physical fitness since 2 year ago. To improve further, they will have to take steriods.

Taufik slowed down in term of reaction and that make it hard for him to defend against smashes. 4 years ago he had no problem with Lindan's smashes which is obviously faster than LCW, now different story.

I was checking out the China Master 07 matches between LCW and Taufik and whenever LCW did a similar smash almost down the line to his forehand, Taufik had no problem retriving it. In AE09 and IO09, he wasn't even fast enough to react.
Hah...Gade's peak was like 10 years ago...he was insane during the AE1999

[limsy]

Why is that.............................

well,this is not something secret in bc:)

[ctjcad]

...
Taufik slowed down in term of reaction and that make it hard for him to defend against smashes.
...(rest of post snipped for brevity)

I think with the gap between the 2 players, TH will need to dig very very deep into himself to beat LCW. TH still pose a threat nevertheless but I think the general odds are more like 70-30.
(rest of post snipped for brevity)...
..thank you both for your input. If not to put into question those who thought Taufik had really trained very hard recently.

Judging from TH's recent performance, I doubt he can put up any surprise against the likes of LD or LCW. However, TH might be the only one no top MS player can really put into the "safe box", due to his amazing talent.

So, I will keep it as 99% no as for now. :p
..not 99.99999999%??..:confused:

...
I didn't get to watch SDK vs TH match so i can't say it was fixed or not but it seem lately, everyone is so generous: SDK gifting to TH, TH gifting to LCW. I guess they all want to play like lin dan:p
...yeah, i'm also interested to watch that TH vs. SDK match. Just want to see if there was anything significant to compare TH's Semifinals Rd. match and Final Rd match.

Well, based on how he runs around this time. Of course not the scoreline. TH has been playing a more aggressive style (comparing with his style in the recent years, not his style in his peak years) recently. The fact that he could do this throughout the whole tournament leads me to the conclusion that he must have trained harder than before.
..from the way i saw it, it wasn't much different, let alone more aggressive, than before. Taufik has been reaching the QF, SF rounds lately, btw. If anything, TH's reaction, speed and movements have slowed down considerably.

[Dr. Evil]

well,this is not something secret in bc:)

Yeah but why is his official age stated younger than the actual? Its not like going to give him any advantages.

[limsy]

Yeah but why is his official age stated younger than the actual? Its not like going to give him any advantages.

hmm,well,maybe u can pm hauge on this:)
i cant explain clearly,just know the concept:p

[limsy]

Hi limsy, I think speed is another major factor. TH was struggling quite badly against LCW in this department, forcing him to throw up easy opportunities for LCW to kill. It happened time and time again. TH barely made a dent with his own smash while he was helpless against LCW's. Yes, I think TH was a little tired from overcoming so many tough opponents but that doesn't change the fact he has aged and slowed down. Against the likes of LD and LCW, it's like starting the match 0-5 (or more)

hmm,does th lost his passion in badminton?no desire,no motivation,no hard working,no stamina hence no speed?anyone?:confused:

[cooler]

hmm,does th lost his passion in badminton?no desire,no motivation,no hard working,no stamina hence no speed?anyone?:confused:
let me say this, even Indra had lost interest in pumping up TH.
Indra now talks about lcw.

[X Ball]

Now the great X Ball has decided to show up at long last! :D

Confident pronouncements he has made. :eek:
I just hope nobody's going to whitewash on a blank wall. :p

Care to wager again, Mr X Ball? :D

It will be too easy. But since you ask, I would oblige. A bottle of cabernet sauvignon above S$50 ? I pick LCW and you (who would you pick ?)

[OneToughBirdie]

It will be too easy. But since you ask, I would oblige. A bottle of cabernet sauvignon above S$50 ? I pick LCW and you (who would you pick ?)

I thought you are still in hibernation...finally, you woke up:D...sometimes my prediction went loopy!:p like predicting LD winning IO09 and he losts. If I am in MAS, I would take your bet...you pick LCW, well, there is no one else to pick besides LD...I will pick LD to win WC09. Oh man! S$50 wine, too tempting...Loh! you lucky dude...again.;)

[X Ball]

I thought you are still in hibernation...finally, you woke up:D...sometimes my prediction went loopy!:p like predicting LD winning IO09 and he losts. If I am in MAS, I would take your bet...you pick LCW, well, there is no one else to pick besides LD...I will pick LD to win WC09. Oh man! S$50 wine, too tempting...Loh! you lucky dude...again.;)


Well work demands created the impression I am hibernating.:D

Loh, take the S$50 wine bet !!!

[OneToughBirdie]

Well work demands created the impression I am hibernating.:D

Loh, take the S$50 wine bet !!!

If I am in MAS, I would do you both a favour to offer to taste test the wine to make sure it is worthy of S$50 wine and not some cheap chinese rice wine stuff:p:DXBall, you are one diehard LCW fan.
Now, seriously, I reckon LCW has 2 more shots at WC title (2009, 2010), AG next year, 2 more AEs and that's about it for the majors..OLY12, forget it, too old and besides this fella play too much...too much mileage on his legs...I am surprised he hasn't got injured yet.

[indra]

let me say this, even Indra had lost interest in pumping up TH.
Indra now talks about lcw.

My theory proves true.

LD will never be a champion when playing in SE countries especially [Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia] as long as LCW and TH still play!!!!

LD defeated by CJ, CJ defeated by LCW and TH "let" LCW win.

Why, because TH's main target is not LCW...it is LD.!!!

Set 3 - TH vs PG, in my opinion, is the best set in the history of MS match...!!!! 22-20

[Loh]

Well work demands created the impression I am hibernating.:D

Loh, take the S$50 wine bet !!!

A reminder Mr X, your losses on the previous bet has not been settled yet, albeit your loss to Oldhand was only for lemon juice, right? So how am I to be sure that I will drink the wine that I'm going to win? Wait until Christmas in Singapore? Then all will be forgotten again! :D

[OneToughBirdie]

A reminder Mr X, your losses on the previous bet has not been settled yet, albeit your loss to Oldhand was only for lemon juice, right? So how am I to be sure that I will drink the wine that I'm going to win? Wait until Christmas in Singapore? Then all will be forgotten again! :D

What's the penalty for non-payment of debt...interest to apply like 1 mug of beer every month for payment past due.;)

[Loh]

What's the penalty for non-payment of debt...interest to apply like 1 mug of beer every month for payment past due.;)

I second that. :D Now let me count...maybe George can help. How many months was X Ball was in arrears? Plenty I think...:p













george

[Loh]

What's the penalty for non-payment of debt...interest to apply like 1 mug of beer every month for payment past due.;)

I second that. :D Now let me count...maybe George can help. How many months X Ball was in arrears? Plenty I think...:p

George, where are you?

[OneToughBirdie]

I second that. :D Now let me count...maybe George can help. How many months X Ball was in arrears? Plenty I think...:p

George, where are you?

Are you referring to George@ChongWei?
Well, you can forget about that cos' Georgie boy is busy building up his posting count to 17K in less than 2 years..at that rate, Georgie will set a BC mark that could be unbeaten in a long time...LOL:p:D

[george@chongwei]

I second that. :D Now let me count...maybe George can help. How many months X Ball was in arrears? Plenty I think...:p

George, where are you?
yes, im here..so wat's up over here?:p anything interesting? who wants treat me a mug of beer of iced lemon tea?:D

Are you referring to George@ChongWei?
Well, you can forget about that cos' Georgie boy is busy building up his posting count to 17K in less than 2 years..at that rate, Georgie will set a BC mark that could be unbeaten in a long time...LOL:p:D
hey hey, will u be buying me a mug of beer once a achieve that record? onetoughbirdie. or u would buy me 1 tough birdie?:eek::D

[cooler]

My theory proves true.

LD will never be a champion when playing in SE countries especially [Singapore, Malaysia and Indonesia] as long as LCW and TH still play!!!!

LD defeated by CJ, CJ defeated by LCW and TH "let" LCW win.

Why, because TH's main target is not LCW...it is LD.!!!

Set 3 - TH vs PG, in my opinion, is the best set in the history of MS match...!!!! 22-20
TH can't win it himself and now u needed lcw as a sidekick for your skit.

ya, TH forfeited 2009 IO title because of LD. lol
No wonder TH lost to chen long too coz LD wasn't therre either lol.
Oh, didn't chen long beat lcw before as well? lol

[cooler]

My theory proves true.



Why, because TH's main target is not LCW...it is LD.!!!

when TH can lose to Joachim P. and chen long(baby LD), the LD-TH rivalry ended. It would be a chance hope if TH encounter LD in competition. I do understand how u longs for those good old days.

[Loh]

yes, im here..so wat's up over here?:p anything interesting? who wants treat me a mug of beer of iced lemon tea?:D

hey hey, will u be buying me a mug of beer once a achieve that record? onetoughbirdie. or u would buy me 1 tough birdie?:eek::D

George, don't pretend lah! Simple question give simple answer lah!

When was the last bet that the almost 'invisible' X Ball (until now when LCW starts winning) lost to me and Oldhand? Of course there were many before this. :cool::D

R u sure you can drink mugs of beer? :rolleyes:

[george@chongwei]

George, don't pretend lah! Simple question give simple answer lah!

When was the last bet that the almost 'invisible' X Ball (until now when LCW starts winning) lost to me and Oldhand? Of course there were many before this. :cool::D

R u sure you can drink mugs of beer? :rolleyes:
I think u had answered the question provided by you as well,uncle loh:(
what do you think? or 1 mug of iced lemon tea?:rolleyes::D

[X Ball]

A reminder Mr X, your losses on the previous bet has not been settled yet, albeit your loss to Oldhand was only for lemon juice, right? So how am I to be sure that I will drink the wine that I'm going to win? Wait until Christmas in Singapore? Then all will be forgotten again! :D


Dont change the subject. The bet is with you - if you don't want to bet then it is ok with me.:D

Oldhand can claim anytime he is in KL or when I am in Singapore. And I will buy him Lemon juice for as much as he can drink.:)

[Loh]

Dont change the subject. The bet is with you - if you don't want to bet then it is ok with me.:D

Oldhand can claim anytime he is in KL or when I am in Singapore. And I will buy him Lemon juice for as much as he can drink.:)

The subject is the same and it concerns bets with you X Ball. Have you honoured all your previous losses be they satays, beers or lemon juices?

If you haven't then it is pointless to continue to bet with you! :rolleyes:

[X Ball]

The subject is the same and it concerns bets with you X Ball. Have you honoured all your previous losses be they satays, beers or lemon juices?

If you haven't then it is pointless to continue to bet with you! :rolleyes:

I think from memory I am owed a lot by several Indonesians. I squared with Alpha. I owe you and Oldham some lemon juice but it is because I was not able to get to Singapore and look you guys up. Any time in the future if I go or you come I will fill you up with lemon juice till you bloat, ok ?:D So don't be sarcastic.:rolleyes:

Anyway, I don't think you want that S$50 wine bet with me.:D

[X Ball]

If I am in MAS, I would do you both a favour to offer to taste test the wine to make sure it is worthy of S$50 wine and not some cheap chinese rice wine stuff:p:DXBall, you are one diehard LCW fan.
Now, seriously, I reckon LCW has 2 more shots at WC title (2009, 2010), AG next year, 2 more AEs and that's about it for the majors..OLY12, forget it, too old and besides this fella play too much...too much mileage on his legs...I am surprised he hasn't got injured yet.


OTB, don't insult my taste of good wine please.:D I have been drinking wine for a long time - from rice wine, which I hate, to quality wines like the Penfold GRANGE.

As for LCW, the guy is a late bloomer. At the rate he is going, he might want to give it up as soon Maslow's Law kicks in. We know it is all about money and desire. Soon as he gets all that, his interest might change. So I am betting on him now before he decides enough is enough.:)

[OneToughBirdie]

OTB, don't insult my taste of good wine please.:D I have been drinking wine for a long time - from rice wine, which I hate, to quality wines like the Penfold GRANGE.

As for LCW, the guy is a late bloomer. At the rate he is going, he might want to give it up as soon Maslow's Law kicks in. We know it is all about money and desire. Soon as he gets all that, his interest might change. So I am betting on him now before he decides enough is enough.:)

I like wine too, red one though. I was in Mexico in an all-inclusive and the waiter brought wine to fill my glass. I keep asking to fill my glass, until I told him why even bother coming back and forth, just leave the whole damn bottle on our table and I happily drank them all...by myself. But the wine is cheap and what the heck, I am not driving, might as well get stoned:D:p
I agree LCW is a late bloomer and I say, LCW keeps playing hard and participate in as much tourney as possible is to win if he can and earn as much as he can while he is still in the game and has a chance to win. Much like a squirrel collecting all the nuts he can in the fall and hibernate in the winter, what the squirrel collects is what it gets, the squirrel wife complain no more:p:D. After all, pro baddy is a business and career, life as a pro player is short and to remain at the top (1,2), even shorter, with rivals and fans (BCers too:D:p) everready to kick your butts. LCW is lucky to play at a time when BAM is so generous with rewarding baddy achievements. Just think of Ng Boon Bee, Punch, Tan Aik Huang, wrong time to play baddy. So, ready set and go...play lots (esp when LD not playing, thank you very much) and gets $$$, championship, Datukship, WMC, bimmer, houses, business, etc...not bad for a high school dropout:D:p;)