A Theory

[ye333]

Yes yes... Pretty far-fetched I know... :D:D

I notice that recently LYB is praising CJ a lot -- even at the expense of breaking the "invincible" image of LD.

My explanation is that LYB's plan this year is to help CJ get a world champion. LD's job: Eliminate LCW. :cool::cool:

This explains perfectly why CJ was made world No.2, and LD was satisfied at No. 5. ;)

[limsy]

Yes yes... Pretty far-fetched I know... :D:D

I notice that recently LYB is praising CJ a lot -- even at the expense of breaking the "invincible" image of LD.

My explanation is that LYB's plan this year is to help CJ get a world champion. LD's job: Eliminate LCW. :cool::cool:

This explains perfectly why CJ was made world No.2, and LD was satisfied at No. 5. ;)

wow!!! great,is time for ld to pay back:D

[Oldhand]

A theory is a proposition that has passed rigorous tests by many methods.
A hypothesis is a proposition that has not yet passed a rigorous test.

Ideally, the title shouldn't be 'A Theory'.
It should be 'A(nother) Conspiracy Theory' :D

[suetyan]

I have a feeling too :D Since CJ never won a WC title, plus all the news and analysis I have read, I also feel that it is LD's turn to give way to CJ :D

[george@chongwei]

during the og08, chen jin has to do ld a favour, now, in 2009 wc, it's lin dan's turn;)

[ye333]

What you are saying is a (scientific) theory, what I said is an (everyday) theory. :D:D

And I agree, I should add "conspiracy".


A theory is a proposition that has passed rigorous tests by many methods.
A hypothesis is a proposition that has not yet passed a rigorous test.

Ideally, the title shouldn't be 'A Theory'.
It should be 'A(nother) Conspiracy Theory' :D

[LazyBuddy]

So, we are counting LCW out already? :rolleyes:

Well, at this stage, I prefer LCW to win the WC this year, as CJ should have a few more years when compare to LCW to be on the peak. LCW needs titles such as this to be counted as a great player. ;)

[ye333]

You forgot CJ's injury problem. He already has serious waist injury as early as 2007 (and it stroke again in 2008 Thomas cup). I doubt CJ has much time.

NO I didn't count LCW out. I just said my guess is that LYB's plan is to let LD eliminate LCW, I didn't say LD will succeed. :cool:

In fact, in 2012, unless LD is still in very good shape, he may need to serve as a "helper" to CL. ;)


So, we are counting LCW out already? :rolleyes:

Well, at this stage, I prefer LCW to win the WC this year, as CJ should have a few more years when compare to LCW to be on the peak. LCW needs titles such as this to be counted as a great player. ;)

[george@chongwei]

so the master LI will strikes again:rolleyes:;)
mastermind.

[LazyBuddy]

You forgot CJ's injury problem. He already has serious waist injury as early as 2007 (and it stroke again in 2008 Thomas cup). I doubt CJ has much time.

NO I didn't count LCW out. I just said my guess is that LYB's plan is to let LD eliminate LCW, I didn't say LD will succeed. :cool:

In fact, in 2012, unless LD is still in very good shape, he may need to serve as a "helper" to CL. ;)


I agree. Kinda forgot CJ's injury issue as well. It will be a shame if CJ goes out too early due to injury. Whether LD will be a helper for CL, that's too much time in between. CL might have his own gang by then. :D

Needless to say, right now might be LCW's best chance to get a title which really counts in history. If he needs to wait for another year or two (AE, WC, etc) then it will be even harder, consider his own conditions.

[george@chongwei]

and let us not forgetting the food poisoning issue just yet:D

[Oldhand]

If the 'plan' is to gift the title to Chen Jin, why would Lin Dan (be made to) sit out so many tournaments in the run-up to the 2009 World Championships?

In any case, Chen Jin is a very poor bet against Lee Chong Wei.
And, for all we know, Lin Dan might be drawn in Chen Jin's pool.

Also, the WC draw is quite unlike that in the Olympic Games.
The OG draw is thinner and also comprises a lot of lower-rung players who make it in simply because of the geographical representation rules.

If any team has devised a grand strategy to sweep the Championship titles, it's very likely that will end in a lot of grief.

This WC isn't trench warfare.
It's going to be open combat :)

[ctjcad]

Yes yes... Pretty far-fetched I know... :D:D

I notice that recently LYB is praising CJ a lot -- even at the expense of breaking the "invincible" image of LD.

My explanation is that LYB's plan this year is to help CJ get a world champion. LD's job: Eliminate LCW. :cool::cool:

This explains perfectly why CJ was made world No.2, and LD was satisfied at No. 5. ;)
...the only way that plan will work is if Lin Dan is drawn into the same half as LCW. If LinDan is drawn into the same half as Chen Jin, then, one can throw out that "every day" theory..;)
Although, yes, i have a bit of feeling that LinDan's goal is not to win the WC this yr; if it happens, great, if not, great also; at least not one of his priorities for this yr.

If the 'plan' is to gift the title to Chen Jin, why would Lin Dan (be made to) sit out so many tournaments in the run-up to the 2009 World Championships?
...
And, for all we know, Lin Dan might be drawn in Chen Jin's pool.

Also, the WC draw is quite unlike that in the Olympic Games.
The OG draw is thinner and also comprises a lot of lower-rung players who make it in simply because of the geographical representation rules.
...
- LinDan played for ranking pts only.
- Quite possible.
- True also. LD could, for some reason, end up in the opposite half of LCW's draw..

[ye333]

Just for fun guys. Haha. :D:D


...the only way that plan will work is if Lin Dan is drawn into the same half as LCW. If LinDan is drawn into the same half as Chen Jin, then, one can throw out that "every day" theory..;)
Although, yes, i have a bit of feeling that LinDan's goal is not to win the WC this yr; if it happens, great, if not, great also; at least not one of his priorities for this yr.

- LinDan played for ranking pts only.
- Quite possible.
- True also. LD could, for some reason, end up in the opposite half of LCW's draw..

[ye333]

According to cxytdn's post "LD will meet LCW...", LD will be in LCW's half.



In any case, Chen Jin is a very poor bet against Lee Chong Wei.
And, for all we know, Lin Dan might be drawn in Chen Jin's pool.

[ctjcad]

..and if i recall, in one of the World Championships editions, they had a draw pitting the world's ranked #1 vs. #5 in opposite halves (same scenario as what we have now). Let me go search & double check for that...Not sure if the amended rules have changed that possibility..

[ye333]

No... It's not No.1 and No.5 that matter, it's the following (from cxytdn's post):

12.10.1 the first and second ranked entries from any one Member Association shall be drawn by lot in opposite halves of the draw;

Therefore LD and CJ, as the 1st and 2nd ranked entries from China, shall be drawn in opposite halves of the draw. In other words, LD will be in the same half as LCW.


..and if i recall, in one of the World Championships editions, they had a draw pitting the world's ranked #1 vs. #5 in opposite halves (same scenario as what we have now). Let me go search & double check for that...Not sure if the amended rules have changed that possibility..

[eaglehelang]

Yes yes... Pretty far-fetched I know... :D:D
..............
;)

LOL, naughty ye333 :D:D. Good thing you didnt add in "conspiracy" in front of theory, sensitive word that one :p

[whack_d_net]

LOL, naughty ye333 :D:D. Good thing you didnt add in "conspiracy" in front of theory, sensitive word that one :p

....
Waw i LOVE conspiracy theory, LOL
upz sorry for being insensitive ,-P
Here i have another theory (actually i still stick w/ my own old theory):
CJ's win over LD at IO was just a bonus or payback (some may said LD's generousity) from CJ's help at OG
But at forthcoming WC next august, had the DRAWS set a clash between CJ vs LD,
i guess CJ would clear up the way and help LD to fulfill his dream producing hattrick MS Titles RECORD from WC
But whoever get the WC title (from any discipline), as long as still from CHN
The WINNER is and always the great mastermind:
7th times academy award winner (upz kidding, scrat that) Mr. LYB
He also loves RECORDS, no?
Hehehe
,-D

.....
Anxiously waiting till the seeding & draws finally out.....

[krisss]

Hmm year , it would be interesting to see Lin Dan brake the world record.

Then again , the same record that Lin Dan is level with is Yang Yang - and when he was playing the world championchps was held every two years?

[lcleing]

There have been rumors about China national badminton team is trying to put Lin Dan down due to his arrogance. Some reporters witnessed Lin Dan punching Ji Xinpeng during one of the team practices because Dan was quite mad with the team arrangement arranged by one of the coaches. And thus, he took it out on poor little Ji. My guess is the higher-ups are not very please about his attitude. Some sources claimed that "Slamming and throwing rackets" has become one of the Lin Dan's trademark moves(happened in practices as well). Again, the coaches are not very fond of this act and thus...

I have to say that all of the above are just some speculations made by the public. Feel free to disprove me, but to be honest I personally don't think China national badminton team is able to do much to Lin Dan seeing he is still the best shuttler out there.

[Athelete1234]

There have been rumors about China national badminton team is trying to put Lin Dan down due to his arrogance. Some reporters witnessed Lin Dan punching Ji Xinpeng during one of the team practices because Dan was quite mad with the team arrangement arranged by one of the coaches. And thus, he took it out on poor little Ji. My guess is the higher-ups are not very please about his attitude. Some sources claimed that "Slamming and throwing rackets" has become one of the Lin Dan's trademark moves(happened in practices as well). Again, the coaches are not very fond of this act and thus...

I have to say that all of the above are just some speculations made by the public. Feel free to disprove me, but to be honest I personally don't think China national badminton team is able to do much to Lin Dan seeing he is still the best shuttler out there.
That was all long before his OG gold, where he essentially reformed pretty much, in terms of public image, public statements, etc.

[ctjcad]

No... It's not No.1 and No.5 that matter, it's the following (from cxytdn's post):

12.10.1 the first and second ranked entries from any one Member Association shall be drawn by lot in opposite halves of the draw;

Therefore LD and CJ, as the 1st and 2nd ranked entries from China, shall be drawn in opposite halves of the draw. In other words, LD will be in the same half as LCW.
..i just double checked the last couple of World Championships editions and last yr's OG and yes, indeed, looks like Lin Dan will be drawn in the same half of LCW. Too bad as we won't have a LCW vs. LD Final duel...

So, now, what does that mean? Is ye33's theory really in the work? Or LinDan simply doesn't mind meeting, or even losing to LCW even before the Final Rd.?

Ah, what da heck. Since we're abt 1 month away, why don't we have a "daily" theory being proposed in BC..:cool:

[jasonmarc]

Yes yes... Pretty far-fetched I know... :D:D

I notice that recently LYB is praising CJ a lot -- even at the expense of breaking the "invincible" image of LD.

My explanation is that LYB's plan this year is to help CJ get a world champion. LD's job: Eliminate LCW. :cool::cool:

This explains perfectly why CJ was made world No.2, and LD was satisfied at No. 5. ;)

If CJ really won WC this time without playing LCW...with LD's help.........it will be even less meaning for CJ to wins this WC....compared to his AE 08 title........poor CJ....

[jasonmarc]

And how about BCL ?.......no planning from Master LI for him.......poor BCL...

[george@chongwei]

And how about BCL ?.......no planning from Master LI for him.......poor BCL...
that's gonna be plan B;)
let's wait for the trailer:D:D

[markchan]

And how about BCL ?.......no planning from Master LI for him.......poor BCL...

BCL is the plan B. Since he shud be drawn in same half as CJ, just in case CJ's waist injury acts up, he will try and make his way to the final from that half of the draw. :D

Plan C - in case LD gets rid of LCW, then BCL gotta let LD win his 3rd WC :D

Plan D - in case LD fails to stop LCW, then we might see a "break his leg" strategy :D:D:D

my 2 cents.

[X Ball]

A theory is a proposition that has passed rigorous tests by many methods.
A hypothesis is a proposition that has not yet passed a rigorous test.

Ideally, the title shouldn't be 'A Theory'.
It should be 'A(nother) Conspiracy Theory' :D

No, it is more like a Useless Theory as it has yet to pass any serious tests except for CJ being beaten by LCW recently.

[Oldhand]

No, it is more like a Useless Theory as it has yet to pass any serious tests except for CJ being beaten by LCW recently.
This forum abounds in theorists of every kind.
One more thread doesn't upset the equilibrium :D

PS: I know of an Iced-Lemon-Tea theory that hasn't seen light.
Do you happen to know anything about what came of it? :p

[X Ball]

This forum abounds in theorists of every kind.
One more thread doesn't upset the equilibrium :D

PS: I know of an Iced-Lemon-Tea theory that hasn't seen light.
Do you happen to know anything about what came of it? :p


Maybe you missed the answer to that theory - which is the ICE Lemon Tea is waiting but there are no drinkers at the cafe (Singapore or KL) :D

The other bit is they can brew us a storm of lemon tea's when I am next in town, which I am not sure is when. The last trip I did was a quickie and was caught with my driving licence expiring -- I am returning to my country shortly to renew (so Singapore is out of the question for now unless you head north).:D

[indra]

Wrong....LD, LCW, BCL, CJ will not win this coming WC in India.

Taufik is going back to 2005 via a travel time machine and the 2005 Taufik will again travel to 2009.:D

[Oldhand]

Wrong....LD, LCW, BCL, CJ will not win this coming WC in India.

Taufik is going back to 2005 via a travel time machine and the 2005 Taufik will again travel to 2009.:D

Yup, he just completed a dry run for his trip back to 2005.
(This was to the US Open at the OCBC - the former WC venue).

From what we saw, his time machine nearly broke down.
The old engine is in severe need of a total overhaul :p

[ctjcad]

..OCBC was the 2005 WC's **training/practice** venue, not the official playing venue..:p

Maybe Taufik thought by returning, playing and winning in the former training/practice venue, he would relive back his old magic.....:confused:http://l.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/emoticons7/39.gif

[jasonmarc]

Wrong....LD, LCW, BCL, CJ will not win this coming WC in India.

Taufik is going back to 2005 via a travel time machine and the 2005 Taufik will again travel to 2009.:D

i also hope that.....TH able to come back to help LCW to prevent Chn from dominating the MS section again...........;)..:D:D

[ye333]

IMHO, BCL is past tense. He is now No. 3 in the team, and soon will be No.4. XXZ, CH, LD, CJ, CL, these are the speed-and-power players that LYB liked (among them, of course LD is his all-time favorite, "reminds him of his younger self"), BCL on the other hand... :D


And how about BCL ?.......no planning from Master LI for him.......poor BCL...

[ye333]

According to some news reports, LD recently said that he could not believe that he has fallen to No. 5, and doubted the calculation of BWF. :confused::confused:


..i just double checked the last couple of World Championships editions and last yr's OG and yes, indeed, looks like Lin Dan will be drawn in the same half of LCW. Too bad as we won't have a LCW vs. LD Final duel...

So, now, what does that mean? Is ye33's theory really in the work? Or LinDan simply doesn't mind meeting, or even losing to LCW even before the Final Rd.?

Ah, what da heck. Since we're abt 1 month away, why don't we have a "daily" theory being proposed in BC..:cool:

[ctjcad]

..but should LinDan falter in the upcoming WC, one could have a headline that reads something like this:

"How the mighty has fallen"...;)

[X Ball]

..but should LinDan falter in the upcoming WC, one could have a headline that reads something like this:

"How the mighty has fallen"...;)

Or

"LCW conquered his shadow..."

Or

"Goliath got slayed..."

Or

"Loh lost his bet but luckily not his pants..." :D

[volcom]

Chen Jin doesn't deserve to win anything to be honest.

[jasonmarc]

Chen Jin doesn't deserve to win anything to be honest.



Thats why i said....'Poor CJ'........a victim in Chn Team.....:crying::crying:

[ctjcad]

Or

"LCW conquered his shadow..."

Or

"Goliath got slayed..."

Or

"Loh lost his bet but luckily not his pants..." :D
- First scenario might not happen if LinDan were to lose before meeting LCW..
- Second one should be "SuperDan (instead of Superman) gets kryptonized"..;)
- Third one, hmm, better to lose one's pants than to lose one's wallet. Can you imagine the look on one's face if the wallet is gone??..:eek:;)

[OneToughBirdie]

Or

"LCW conquered his shadow..."

Or

"Goliath got slayed..."

Or

"Loh lost his bet but luckily not his pants..." :D

I wouldn't make too much fun of Datuk beating LD.....it could come back to bite ya in your butt big-time:D:p

[X Ball]

I wouldn't make too much fun of Datuk beating LD.....it could come back to bite ya in your butt big-time:D:p

Then I would cry "ouch!" and that would be it.:D

[Jonc108]

It's pathetic that people are obsessive in things not about badminton when talking about Chinese players, is it because people got nothing to criticise the Chinese players' badminton???

Simple, as long as the current WR#1 LCW or any other non-Chinese players could demonstrate they are the realy top player and able to defeat whatever player on their way to claim the championship, the so-called Chinese conspiracy would fail, be irrelevant, and never come to place again... because LYB would be fired if China could no longer win the WC..

so come back to talk about badminton...

how's the recent form of LCW, LD, CJ, TH and PG??? what are they doing in preparation for the WC?? the Chinese team are actually open their training session for the general public to see, anyone go and seen them practicing, and how they performed?

(i know people are free to talk, but this is badminton forum i guess...)

[Jonc108]

Thats why i said....'Poor CJ'........a victim in Chn Team.....:crying::crying:

i respect what you said, but this is just what you said...

ask CJ, maybe he enjoys it, look at his happy face when he was on the bronze medallist podium at the OG08... lots of people thought he was a victim... everyone got his own value judgement...

no one knows...

[jasonmarc]

i respect what you said, but this is just what you said...

ask CJ, maybe he enjoys it, look at his happy face when he was on the bronze medallist podium at the OG08... lots of people thought he was a victim... everyone got his own value judgement...

no one knows...

Yes, maybe he enjoyed it :rolleyes:..........but i feel sad for him.........:(......:D:D

anyway, this is just my own judgement like u said............:D

[cooler]

Thats why i said....'Poor CJ'........a victim in Chn Team.....:crying::crying:
poor CJ? save your condolences to XXZ, chen hong and chen yu.

[ye333]

Why XXZ? There is no controversy over his AE champion and OG bronze. And only a little (as much as LD's OG gold) over his 2003 WC champion. Basically he earned his glory all by himself.


poor CJ? save your condolences to XXZ, chen hong and chen yu.

[whack_d_net]

Thats why i said....'Poor CJ'........a victim in Chn Team.....:crying::crying:

I wouldn't dare to say AE winner and OG bronze medalist as a poor guy or a victim
*TH up until now couldn't even get a single AE title
(and let him alone continue his dream, waiting for the day he finally grab AE to come)
*PG compete 3 times in OG (cmiiw ,-P) with zero results = no medals ,-(
....
Despite he deserve or not of all titles he've got so far, CJ seems quite happy
And i guess he's a lucky guy who got his "bonus" or "payback" for his contribution
after all
even BCL isn't as lucky as him
.....
Well, thats just my 2 cents anyway
Hehehe ,-D

[volcom]

Chen Jin needs to be replaced

[LazyBuddy]

Chen Jin doesn't deserve to win anything to be honest.

Hmmm... at least he has to get to semi final or beyond to "cash" his "team order". If a semi finalist automatically "does not deserve to win anything", I wonder how many others do deserve then?

[Wong8Egg]

Why XXZ? There is no controversy over his AE champion and OG bronze. And only a little (as much as LD's OG gold) over his 2003 WC champion. Basically he earned his glory all by himself.

Apparently, what cooler is trying to say is that those persons his mentioned don't even qualify to play in the OG, base on their past ranking and skills.

[ye333]

Hard to understand... XXZ participated in 00, CH participated in 04... What do you mean by "don't even qualify"? :confused::confused:


Apparently, what cooler is trying to say is that those persons his mentioned don't even qualify to play in the OG, base on their past ranking and skills.

[Wong8Egg]

Hard to understand... XXZ participated in 00, CH participated in 04... What do you mean by "don't even qualify"? :confused::confused:

XXZ in 04, CH in 08. You should know better than me. :rolleyes:

[ye333]

I still don't understand. XXZ in 04, CH in 08, they are simply not good enough (some controversy in XXZ's case though). You don't go if you are not good enough, that's very fair.

My understanding is that the original "poor CJ" points to the fact that his achievement is not a result of his own ability.


XXZ in 04, CH in 08. You should know better than me. :rolleyes:

[indra]

IMHO, BCL is past tense. He is now No. 3 in the team, and soon will be No.4. XXZ, CH, LD, CJ, CL, these are the speed-and-power players that LYB liked (among them, of course LD is his all-time favorite, "reminds him of his younger self"), BCL on the other hand... :D

LD is past tense, CJ and BCL are past perfect tense.:D

[LazyBuddy]

I still don't understand. XXZ in 04, CH in 08, they are simply not good enough (some controversy in XXZ's case though). You don't go if you are not good enough, that's very fair.



Not good enough? Well, they are not good enough to be the top 3-4 MS in CHN, but surely better than most of the participants during the time. They got locked out of the OGs, simply because the flag they were carrying. Same cases apply to XXF in 04, and Chen Yu for his entire career.

Well, no point to drag this into the "limit entry" discussion again. :cool:

[X Ball]

LD is past tense, CJ and BCL are past perfect tense.:D


LCW is future tense.:D

[george@chongwei]

LCW is future tense.:D
then who is the simply present tense now?:p

[Oldhand]

LCW is future tense.:D
I don't know about the future...
...but, at any major event outisde Malaysia, Lee Chong Wei is always tense :D

[jasonmarc]

LD is past tense, CJ and BCL are past perfect tense.:D



LCW is future tense.:D


then who is the simply present tense now?:p


:D:D:D...seems like everbody are feeling the 'tense' now.......:D

[ye333]

First, that's the rule. Second, XXZ in 04 and CH in 08 are clearly not among the top 3 or 4 players in the world, so they have little chance winning the title anyway. Third, what people mean by "poor CJ", I believe, is that CJ got something he clearly didn't deserve, which is not the case for XXZ and CH.

I agree that there should be no such "quota" but only if people never talk about things like "Will China won the WC", fair now? :D:D

Btw, I can't think of one "World Championship" type tournament (that is, the participating athletes represent his/her country, not him/herself) that does not have such a quota system. Many Brazilian soccer players are much better than the best player in any Asian team, yet they cannot go to the World Cup, because of the "stupid" quota system which said Brazil can only have one team to represent it in the tournament. :cool:


Not good enough? Well, they are not good enough to be the top 3-4 MS in CHN, but surely better than most of the participants during the time. They got locked out of the OGs, simply because the flag they were carrying. Same cases apply to XXF in 04, and Chen Yu for his entire career.

Well, no point to drag this into the "limit entry" discussion again. :cool:

[jasonmarc]

First, that's the rule. Second, XXZ in 04 and CH in 08 are clearly not among the top 3 or 4 players in the world, so they have little chance winning the title anyway. Third, what people mean by "poor CJ", I believe, is that CJ got something he clearly didn't deserve, which is not the case for XXZ and CH.

I agree that there should be no such "quota" but only if people never talk about things like "Will China won the WC", fair now? :D:D

Btw, I can't think of one "World Championship" type tournament (that is, the participating athletes represent his/her country, not him/herself) that does not have such a quota system. Many Brazilian soccer players are much better than the best player in any Asian team, yet they cannot go to the World Cup, because of the "stupid" quota system which said Brazil can only have one team to represent it in the tournament. :cool:

Yes,...indeed 'stupid' quota system........:D:D

[hadokenuh]

You all are just thinking too much. NTM of VN is going to take both LCW and LD out once for all.

Now let the real discussion begin :)

[jasonmarc]

You all are just thinking too much. NTM of VN is going to take both LCW and LD out once for all.

Now let the real discussion begin :)

Yes, NTM could be the first Vietnamese to win WC.;)........go NTM....:D:D