Who will win the MS title at the 2009 WC? [Archive] - Badminton Central Discussion Forums

ctjcad

07-22-2009, 02:27 PM

No offense taken :), I know his chance of winning is slim:mad:.
It would be interesting to see how many poll winners
will actually win their events. As current poll suggsts
no WR# 1 will win in all events.
..well, since you're curious, here are a few past references of polls taken before and after the actual events.

- From last yr's Beijing Olympics. 0 (zero) percent of the poll predictions came to fruition:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59208

For some reason, we didn't do a poll for the 2007 WC.

- These below are from the 2006 WC. Only 1 prediction came out correct.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35806 (MS)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35810 (XD)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35807 (WS)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35809 (WD)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35808 (MD, the only correct one)

So, to combine the 2 events (08 OG & 06 WC), 10 events, the percentage of the polls coming to fruition is only 10%.:p

Will this trend (or curse, a BC curse:p) continue this yr??...we shall see..;):cool:

Wong8Egg

07-22-2009, 02:57 PM

No offense was intended to you or YHH.:o He definitely is skilled.
Being an inveterate supporter of underdogs, I wish the best to anyone with skill and good sportsmanship. Go YHH!! :)

Is that Hsing Hsieh Yu just lost to TH in US open or was it somebody else? :confused:

ctjcad

07-22-2009, 03:10 PM

..different than the one who participated @ the recent U.S. Open. The one who participated in the recent U.S. Open GP is HSUEH Hsuan Yi.

This is Hsieh Yu-Hsing, the one who's participating in the WC:
http://www.nbcolympics.com/imgml/athletes/large/54559_142x190.jpg

ytyang

07-22-2009, 03:19 PM

Both of them will be playing. They actually have the same Chinese
last name, but with different English spelling.

Wong8Egg

07-22-2009, 03:51 PM

Both of them will be playing. They actually have the same Chinese
last name, but with different English spelling.

Both are YHH :p.

ytyang

07-22-2009, 04:39 PM

..well, since you're curious, here are a few past references of polls taken before and after the actual events.

- From last yr's Beijing Olympics. 0 (zero) percent of the poll predictions came to fruition:

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59208

For some reason, we didn't do a poll for the 2007 WC.

- These below are from the 2006 WC. Only 1 prediction came out correct.

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35806 (MS)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35810 (XD)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35807 (WS)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35809 (WD)
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35808 (MD, the only correct one)

So, to combine the 2 events (08 OG & 06 WC), 10 events, the percentage of the polls coming to fruition is only 10%.:p

Will this trend (or curse, a BC curse:p) continue this yr??...we shall see..;):cool:
Interesting results, I suppose my prediction will be no worse than poll prediction :).
MS - Heish Yu Hsing(for moral support)
MD - CY & FHF( They will be hard to beat if in the same
form as playing Sudirman cup)
WS - XXF (still believe in her)
WD - MJ & WXL( A quite capable darkhorse)
XD - ZB & MJ ( just follow the trend)

alexyong

07-22-2009, 05:08 PM

Obviously LD, anyone who says otherwise must either be in denial or plain ignorance.

limsy

07-23-2009, 01:54 AM

Both are YHH :p.

one is hhy
and one is hyh
one is yhh and one is hyh(if surname at the back):)

george@chongwei

07-23-2009, 03:44 AM

Someone voted for Yu Hsien Hsieh.
He's talented, but is he World Champion?
(my wife thinks he's world champion in cuteness)

yes, he's quite talented... don't underestimate this guy though:cool:
Don't think LD has any plans on sharing his generosity with LCW.
yeah, i would like to see the great battle from both lcw and ld..with the shout 'come on'!!! 'bring it on'!!!:D:Diah!:p

george@chongwei

07-23-2009, 03:45 AM

enough said ..enough said.. i will win the ms title!!:eek:;):D:D
btw, where's my name in the poll?:(

ctjcad

07-23-2009, 03:54 AM

..should LinDan & LCW meet each other in the Semis, that match, in and itself **is** the Final..

limsy

07-23-2009, 04:04 AM

..should LinDan & LCW meet each other in the Semis, that match, in and itself **is** the Final..

i have to agree with u in this statement;)

sting1988

07-23-2009, 03:42 PM

Wanted to choose other people but it's gonna be LD

madbad

07-24-2009, 01:30 AM

For the 7 people who voted for BCL, do you really think LYB would allow him past LD, hahahahaha. Think about it.

george@chongwei

07-24-2009, 01:46 AM

I wish LCW to finally get a meaningful title, however, in reality, it's still LD vs. LD himself. :cool:
Don't be so confident just yet.;) you might wanna know that not everyone is perfect and not everyday is a Sunday;)

jasonmarc

07-24-2009, 04:45 AM

Don't be so confident just yet.;) you might wanna know that not everyone is perfect and not everyday is a Sunday;)

But u have to understand that every Chn vs Chn match is 100% under master Li control..........:D:D:D regardless its sunday or monday....;)

george@chongwei

07-24-2009, 08:21 AM

seems like the ms title currently conquer the spotlight if compare to md:cool:

whack_d_net

07-24-2009, 09:37 AM

hcpoirot

07-24-2009, 11:26 AM

LD is hard to beat specially for major title.

Amin Khalili

07-24-2009, 11:41 AM

isaura

07-24-2009, 01:04 PM

so u know there is many outside this forum,but u never invite them here?:p

i've invited and they had already familiar with this forum..it just that they prefer to be guest coz thay are lazy to register and also to post reply...n dun like fighting...

whack_d_net

07-24-2009, 01:05 PM

Here's the link to the news bout wedding coverage:
http://sport.vivanews.com/news/read/77587-menikah___inginkan_empat_anak
.....
Upz, i made a typo on my previous post :rolleyes:
Apparently, there's no honeymoon to Hyderabad as well

ctjcad

07-24-2009, 02:59 PM

Only 2 votes for SDK so far?
I read some news that he will getting married tomorrow (July, 25)
Forget the source, but if i'm not wrong i read it on bulutangkis.com forums (in indonesian language)
.....
Hmms lets see how this will affect his performance
But anyway congratulations ,-)
.....
Post Scriptum:
Maybe he'll take his wife honeymoon to Hyderabad, LOL ,-D :cool:
Here's the link to the news bout wedding coverage:
http://sport.vivanews.com/news/read/77587-menikah___inginkan_empat_anak
.....
Upz, i made a typo on my previous post :rolleyes:
Apparently, there's no honeymoon to Hyderabad as well
..thank you for the news link. I shall post it in his thread (in the Professional Players sb-forum/section).

IMO, Sony's best chance to win the title is this yr. It's good to know that he's been training and keeping in shape despite his wedding preparation. Who knows, next yr he could already be a daddy. And of course, we've seen how Taufik's focus in badminton hasn't been the same since he has a kid.
Good luck, mas Sony!:cool:

limsy

07-25-2009, 01:49 AM

i've invited and they had already familiar with this forum..it just that they prefer to be guest coz thay are lazy to register and also to post reply...n dun like fighting...

haha,okok.u mean we are hard working and LIKE FIGHTING?:p

nonie

07-26-2009, 11:46 PM

MY PREDICTION QUARTER FINALS :

Tien Minh Nguyen [14] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=13)
VS
Sony Dwi Kuncoro [6] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=6)

Peter Hoeg Gade [3] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=2)
VS
Dan Lin [5] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=3)

Sung Hwan Park [8] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=14)
VS
Taufik Hidayat [4] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=5)

Simon Santoso [13] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=8)
VS
Jin Chen [2] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=4)

SEMI FINALS :

Sony Dwi Kuncoro [6] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=6)
VS
Dan Lin [5] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=3)

Taufik Hidayat [4] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=5)
VS
Jin Chen [2] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=4)

FINALS :

Sony Dwi Kuncoro [6] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=6)
VS
Taufik Hidayat [4] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=5)

THE WINNERS IS : Sony Dwi Kuncoro [6] (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=6)

( HADIAH PERNIKAHAN BUAT SONY ,, MOGA CEPET PUNYA MOMONGAN YA ^^ )

jasonmarc

07-27-2009, 12:11 AM

Wow...a all Indonesian MS final...........impressive...hehehe

nonie

07-27-2009, 12:33 AM

Wow...a all Indonesian MS final...........impressive...hehehe

of cuorse ,, indonesia ayo kamu bisa ,,hihi

Chibot

07-27-2009, 01:52 AM

I think Lin Dan will take the title...or Lee Chong Wei.

But I vote for Lin Dan

bananakid

07-27-2009, 02:53 AM

OhLala

07-27-2009, 03:14 AM

I hope handsome Bao chunlai will win the tour. In case Bao cannot complete the mission, I will vote for Tien Minh of Vietnam. This Vietnam's no.1 player always creates some surprise.

OhLala

07-27-2009, 03:20 AM

Hoped this time he will send the world no.1 to home like he did it last month!

OhLala

07-27-2009, 03:24 AM

Any of you guys have the draw for this tour? thanks a lot!

SHLAU

07-27-2009, 03:34 AM

drifit

07-27-2009, 03:57 AM

Any of you guys have the draw for this tour? thanks a lot!
do you mean this (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73033)?

Loh

07-27-2009, 04:20 AM

Seems most of us have ruled out BCL..........he will plays LD is round 16.....BCL may wins.

Not if he has not fully recovered from injury. :(

And I think only LD can beat ... not the other CHN players, as LD has that 'extra' - psychologicial superiority!

koo_fan

07-27-2009, 04:41 AM

..as LD has that 'extra' - psychologicial superiority!

Yeah, beat it, guys !
* guys = other Men Singles

Loh

07-27-2009, 05:11 AM

Yeah, beat it, guys !
* guys = other Men Singles

That's a familiar song! Michael Jackson? :)

koo_fan

07-27-2009, 05:27 AM

That's a familiar song! Michael Jackson? :)
bring it on, Uncle Loh ! do u mind? *wink

badssp07

07-27-2009, 09:37 AM

MY brains goes for LD but my heart would say LCW. After so many years of disappointment for playing second fiddle to LD in major tournaments, this could be the year for LCW especially after LD lost to CJ tamely and LCW beat CJ convincingly in the most recent tournament. Don't tell me it is a smoke screen created by the China team before the WC. If that is the case, then I would have nothing to say but give it to the China team.:(:(:(

Well.........LCW has only reached 2 major finals (namely OG08 and AE09) thus far ............. however, i feel that his current form is very impressive, so I would love him to win this year's WC to make badminton more interesting :)

LazyBuddy

07-27-2009, 09:49 AM

MY brains goes for LD but my heart would say LCW. After so many years of disappointment for playing second fiddle to LD in major tournaments, this could be the year for LCW especially after LD lost to CJ tamely and LCW beat CJ convincingly in the most recent tournament. Don't tell me it is a smoke screen created by the China team before the WC. If that is the case, then I would have nothing to say but give it to the China team.:(:(:(

The problem is, X beats Y, and Y beats Z, does not mean X will beat Z with his eyes closed.

I remember in WC2003, ZN gave both Mia and CM a 11:0 on her way to the champion. If a joe doe plays against ZN, and lucky enough to win 1 point from her, can you say joe doe is better than Mia and/or CM, because the score is 1:0? :rolleyes: Clearly not. Mia went on to win OG silver in 2004, which means she's not far from the best, and can still beat 99.9% of the joe doe.

Loh

07-27-2009, 10:04 AM

Well so far it seems more BC members are of the opinion that LD is the overwhelming favourite to win.

To be exact the scores at this point in time for the closest contenders are:

LD - 84 for (51.85%)
LCW - 33 (20.37%)
TH - 19 (11.73%)

LD has more than twice the number of votes as LCW and slightly more than 50% of all who voted thus far.

I just wonder what X Ball has to say? :D

Of course one must assume that LD's compatriots will not challenge him if they should meet so that LD will have a smooth passage to the final. Obviously LYB's orders must be obeyed. :p

I haven't actually checked the Draw, but I assume LD and LCW are in different halves.

ctjcad

07-27-2009, 01:31 PM

...
I haven't actually checked the Draw, but I assume LD and LCW are in different halves.
..for all the full draws & when they'll possibly meet, you should follow & read the link in the post, a few posts above your post, by drifit..:cool:

jasonmarc

07-27-2009, 09:59 PM

I haven't actually checked the Draw, but I assume LD and LCW are in different halves.

:eek::eek:....Uncle Loh.........the draw link....http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draws.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1

Loh

07-28-2009, 12:40 AM

:eek::eek:....Uncle Loh.........the draw link....http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draws.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1

Oh thanks jasonmarc. ;)

The draw looks more interesting than I figured. :cool:

So LCW and LD are in the same half and one of them will be eliminated by the SF stage at best because they will meet each other if they both succeeded in winning all their matches before then.

LCW has a slightly more difficult task as he has to beat his recent Singapore Open conqueror NTM in R3 and NTM has just further boosted his confidence by taking the Thailand Open last week by surprisingly beating Boonsak convincingly on home ground. So LCW's dream might just end at R3 if NTM repeats his giant-killer form. :eek:

Should LCW manage to take revenge on NTM, he is expected to face INA's SDK in the QF, who unfortunately has not shown good form recently and therefore LCW should have an easier task. Then in the SF, he has to face his arch-rival and nemesis LD to whom he lost more times and he won. LD is the favourite to win again, so says our BC poll. So LCW's journey will probably end here. :crying::crying::crying:

On the other hand, LD should have a smooth passage to the QF where he will most likely meet DEN's veteran PG. In part, LD will likely be given a "walkover" by compatriot BCL in R3 on LYB's orders. :p LD should not have much problem disposing the much slower and off-form PG and will make that fateful date with LCW in the SF.

The predicition has been made and LD will go on to become World Champion again when he meets another compatriot and second seed CJ in the final.

CJ will have to fight hard in the SF against the talented old timer TH who will offer some resistance but unable to overcome the younger, faster but equally experienced CJ in the end, especially when the match stretches to a rubber.:rolleyes:

But CJ himself would have spent all his reserve energies on TH, having earlier expended some of these on WCH and SS in the R3 and QF respectively. CJ will offer only token resistance to big brother LD when they meet in the final and he would have similarly pleased LYB immensely, just as BCL has done so much earlier. That's the way to survive, consoles CJ.

All for the sake of motherland China!:)

And LD will probably be recorded in the Guiness Book of Records as the player having won the most number of World Championships! :D:D:D

jasonmarc

07-28-2009, 02:08 AM

Loh

07-28-2009, 02:20 AM

But Uncle Loh, according to the votes in this thread............TH is the one voted to be in the final to face LD............TH has 11.83% of votes compared to CJ who only gathered 3.55%...........hehehe

Assuming you're correct, LD still has many more votes than TH, right? :p

Actually, I'm sorry for CJ, seeded higher yet having to give away the crown to LD in the end! :(

jasonmarc

07-28-2009, 02:51 AM

Assuming you're correct, LD still has many more votes than TH, right? :p

Actually, I'm sorry for CJ, seeded higher yet having to give away the crown to LD in the end! :(

No, uncle Loh,...IF LD Vs CJ in the final,...I think LYB wont 'fix' the match as the title already in Chn's hand,......It will be a true match between LD and CJ...;)....

Or Maybe master Li would prefer to have more MS world champion in his team....:cool:.....;).....:D:D...than he would 'fix' it again....

Loh

07-28-2009, 04:10 AM

No, uncle Loh,...IF LD Vs CJ in the final,...I think LYB wont 'fix' the match as the title already in Chn's hand,......It will be a true match between LD and CJ...;)....

Or Maybe master Li would prefer to have more MS world champion in his team....:cool:.....;).....:D:D...than he would 'fix' it again....

I thought I reminded that CHN also wants to have a Guinness World Record. CJ hasn't won before, but LD has, I think twice before to make it three times. Hard to beat that record isn't it? ;)

SHLAU

07-28-2009, 06:40 AM

Oh thanks jasonmarc. ;)

LCW has a slightly more difficult task as he has to beat his recent Singapore Open conqueror NTM in R3 and NTM has just further boosted his confidence by taking the Thailand Open last week by surprisingly beating Boonsak convincingly on home ground. So LCW's dream might just end at R3 if NTM repeats his giant-killer form. :eek:

Should LCW manage to take revenge on NTM, he is expected to face INA's SDK in the QF, who unfortunately has not shown good form recently and therefore LCW should have an easier task. Then in the SF, he has to face his arch-rival and nemesis LD to whom he lost more times and he won. LD is the favourite to win again, so says our BC poll. So LCW's journey will probably end here. :crying::crying::crying:

And LD will probably be recorded in the Guiness Book of Records as the player having won the most number of World Championships! :D:D:D

Amazed for going the great length in your analysis. Thanks anyway.

After reading your analysis, can't help to worry that LCW will be stopped even before he gets into the final. However if he does go all the way to win the crown, then in my opinion he will thoroughly and deservedly be called a true world champion regardless of whether he had defeated LD on his way to the championship. :rolleyes:

vpsingh

07-28-2009, 06:43 AM

Taufik for me any time. :D

Loh

07-28-2009, 09:35 AM

Taufik for me any time. :D

A die-hard fan you are but I think you are no match for our beloved Indra! :D

X Ball

07-28-2009, 09:43 AM

Who will be the Le Coming Winner ? I can't hear you !...........

Loh

07-28-2009, 09:46 AM

Who will be the Le Coming Winner ? I can't hear you !...........

Wow, X Ball is hot now and he joins the fray! :D

What? Winter coming for Lee? :eek: A bit too early, isn't it? :D:D:D

X Ball

07-28-2009, 09:49 AM

Wow, X Ball is hot now and he joins the fray! :D

What? Winter coming for Lee? :eek: A bit too early, isn't it? :D:D:D

You need glasses.:D

Loh

07-28-2009, 09:56 AM

You need glasses.:D

I already got mine long ago. ;)

Maybe you need another more powerful crystal ball! :rolleyes:

X Ball

07-28-2009, 10:02 AM

I already got mine long ago. ;)

Maybe you need another more powerful crystal ball! :rolleyes:

Why change when it has been fairly accurate ? Come 16th of Aug, I guess I will be reading your fortune too coz you will be bugging me.:D

Loh

07-28-2009, 10:19 AM

Why change when it has been fairly accurate ? Come 16th of Aug, I guess I will be reading your fortune too coz you will be bugging me.:D

You have to change precisely because your old ball has not been accurate. 'Fairly' in our context is not good enough! :rolleyes:

Would anybody trust his fortune to be read by an unreliable crystal ball gazer? :D:D:D

dassad

07-28-2009, 04:37 PM

Loh

07-28-2009, 08:57 PM

oh I can't believe!!
LD falls on our Misha Zilberman (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=57) at the first stage!)))) Israel 1st vs China 1st... :)))
what a battle will be?!

))))))
oh at least congrats to Misha may be for the first time to make a probable point vs a devil

Surely you know LD is considered almost a badminton God! Misha should consider himself most privileged to be able to play against present World Champ LD. It must be godsend to him! :p;):D

jasonmarc

07-28-2009, 09:39 PM

oh I can't believe!!
LD falls on our Misha Zilberman (http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&player=57) at the first stage!)))) Israel 1st vs China 1st... :)))
what a battle will be?!

))))))
oh at least congrats to Misha may be for the first time to make a probable point vs a devil

:eek:Common.......LD is Badminton 'God'..........not a devil....! :D:D:D

Linus

07-29-2009, 01:32 AM

Honestly, I really cannot see anyone to win major MS nowsaday other than between LD and LCW, it's hard to choose. I have to sit on the fence on this one.

ngkt67

07-29-2009, 02:00 AM

:eek:Common.......LD is Badminton 'God'..........not a devil....! :D:D:D

Then LCW is 'mortal', but dun forget even LD as 'God' can bleed...:D:D:D

jasonmarc

07-29-2009, 02:44 AM

Honestly, I really cannot see anyone to win major MS nowsaday other than between LD and LCW, it's hard to choose. I have to sit on the fence on this one.

LCW's path to final is full of challenges......R3 (NTM, who just beaten him in Singapore Open), QF ( SDK, who beaten him in WC 2007 QF) and SF ( LD, who beaten him in all major events)............:(...What a bad luck for LCW...:(.....:D:D

jasonmarc

07-29-2009, 02:59 AM

Then LCW is 'mortal', but dun forget even LD as 'God' can bleed...:D:D:D

No, LCW is 'immortal'...........never say die, no matter how bad LD defeated him,....he will always be there trying to beat LD.........:D:D:D

Senayan

07-29-2009, 02:35 PM

I think Lin Dan will win.

X Ball

07-30-2009, 04:03 AM

As the days get nearer, I am getting more confident that LCW has got it right this time with his preparation.

His physical condition is gearing up to peak. On the day, anyone playing him would have to be super duper fit else he is very likely to humble them. Therefore, just on physical condition alone, he can 'break' you.

On skills, he has honed his skills with sharper play - net shots are getting very precise; backcourt shots are deeper and harder to read for the opponent; his smashes are now very threatening (the jumpshot smash can go any eachway-it will be tough for his opponents). He went to Korea to consult Li Mao to get it right - LM knows the chinese strategy having been there and it is quite right to pick LM's mind again. He is leaving no stones unturned.

Misbun has got LCW tuned to the max. There is nothing that Misbun has not passed to LCW and hence, he too agreed to let LCW consult LM......just to be sure.

On the optimistic side, I think he would cruise to the Finals with his fitness and skills. The Finals is when he would unleash his awesome power - LD has better be as fit. Hyderabad (the most testing place for any champion) will be bad memories for many but for LCW, it should be good ones only.

Loh

07-30-2009, 04:14 AM

X Ball

07-30-2009, 04:38 AM

I just hope your crystal ball doesn't cheat you again. :D

I don't want your hype to result in LCW not even being able to get past the third round! :eek:

If he does not win, I will seal my lips forever !:D

But if he does, do me a favor, Seal yours !:D

ctjcad

07-30-2009, 04:50 AM

..even if the lips are sealed, the fingers & keyboard on your laptop or PC can still do the "talking"..;)

Anyway, on LCW, once again, he's put in a sort of precarious position to deliver the long sought after major title, in the form of a MS World Championship title, for M'sia. Pressure will be there and looking at the draw, definitely his road to the Final Rd won't be easy..

eRa@에라

07-30-2009, 07:16 AM

just back from watching his final match at the mini olympic... first set was like a warm up session where he and the log HH were neck to neck up till some point... then 2nd set he's cruising his way to finish line with lotsa smashes... oh, and broke his string once along the way...:D he may pull it off at this year WC, barring any desease/injuries... but to date he looks very fit and ready...

Destricto_Ense

07-30-2009, 07:46 AM

On the optimistic side, I think he would cruise to the Finals with his fitness and skills. The Finals is when he would unleash his awesome power - LD has better be as fit. Hyderabad (the most testing place for any champion) will be bad memories for many but for LCW, it should be good ones only.
LCW and LD are not going to meet in the final - they're in the same half of the table.

eaglehelang

07-30-2009, 08:42 AM

On the optimistic side, I think he would cruise to the Finals with his fitness and skills. The Finals is when he would unleash his awesome power - LD has better be as fit. Hyderabad (the most testing place for any champion) will be bad memories for many but for LCW, it should be good ones only.

1) I'm sure you know LD will meet LCW in Semis, not finals.
2) You very certain abt LCW's current condition, you went to watch the mini OG is it? :p

Loh

07-30-2009, 10:40 AM

If he does not win, I will seal my lips forever !:D

But if he does, do me a favor, Seal yours !:D

You should have sealed your lips until LCW has won the WC title to do him a great favour! But the damage has been done again and your old crystal ball will suffer more cracks than it deserves. :rolleyes:

X Ball

07-31-2009, 02:31 AM

1) I'm sure you know LD will meet LCW in Semis, not finals.
2) You very certain abt LCW's current condition, you went to watch the mini OG is it? :p

Just testing your awakeness.:p

X Ball

07-31-2009, 02:33 AM

You should have sealed your lips until LCW has won the WC title to do him a great favour! But the damage has been done again and your old crystal ball will suffer more cracks than it deserves. :rolleyes:

Mr LOH, how can I seal my lips when the crystal ball says he will win ?;)

Loh

07-31-2009, 02:45 AM

Mr LOH, how can I seal my lips when the crystal ball says he will win ?;)

Wah, our boss has a bit of time to sweet talk huh! :p

If your crystal ball can't even identify which day LCW will meet his public enemy number one, do you still believe in what it has to say after that? The ball is confused! :D:D:D

X Ball

07-31-2009, 05:10 AM

Wah, our boss has a bit of time to sweet talk huh! :p

If your crystal ball can't even identify which day LCW will meet his public enemy number one, do you still believe in what it has to say after that? The ball is confused! :D:D:D

The Crystal Ball only shows 'LCW winner' and not about trivials;) You are confused because you can't tell :D

Tsukimori

07-31-2009, 10:55 AM

vote for LD..
he's the strongest player had i ever seen
*i think so*

cooler

07-31-2009, 03:43 PM

this ball has too much spin to it

it would be breaking an old record if lcw just make it to the WC final.

george@chongwei

08-01-2009, 01:47 AM

so wat 'ball' are we talking right here??:rolleyes::confused:

koo_fan

08-01-2009, 05:15 AM

so wat 'ball' are we talking right here??:rolleyes::confused:
X Ball's crystal ball. Are you familiar?

SHLAU

08-01-2009, 06:53 AM

X Ball's crystal ball. Are you familiar?

I don't care whether it is crystal ball or dragon ball and I am not familiar with his style but looking at the hot debates that he created and the vehement responses to his posts, he deserves his place in the forum as we need people like him to spice up the forum.;) Just like Limsy:D

ctjcad

08-01-2009, 03:52 PM

..X Ball, limsy might generate a few "spicy" posts, but nothing compares to the contentious posts generated by Pemuda (if you've read his past posts)..;)..
Too bad he's no longer active..:p

koo_fan

08-02-2009, 04:03 AM

I don't care whether it is crystal ball or dragon ball and I am not familiar with his style but looking at the hot debates that he created and the vehement responses to his posts, he deserves his place in the forum as we need people like him to spice up the forum.;) Just like Limsy:D
Yeah, his crystal ball is invisible to me. But i've heard a lot about it. Let see how it'll work this time. And Chris was right, you gotta read Pemuda's posts to find out what is exactly the meaning of "spice up" the thread, and forum. Too bad he's not active now, huh?

jasonmarc

08-02-2009, 04:27 AM

Yeah, his crystal ball is invisible to me. But i've heard a lot about it. Let see how it'll work this time. And Chris was right, you gotta read Pemuda's posts to find out what is exactly the meaning of "spice up" the thread, and forum. Too bad he's not active now, huh?

Koo_fan missed Pemuda so much huh...? :p

limsy

08-02-2009, 06:06 AM

I don't care whether it is crystal ball or dragon ball and I am not familiar with his style but looking at the hot debates that he created and the vehement responses to his posts, he deserves his place in the forum as we need people like him to spice up the forum.;) Just like Limsy:D

..X Ball, limsy might generate a few "spicy" posts, but nothing compares to the contentious posts generated by Pemuda (if you've read his past posts)..;)..
Too bad he's no longer active..:p

i saw my name here:cool:
anyway,i learn something new in my life.
no more comment on disagreement to me;)

mokmatthew

08-02-2009, 09:07 AM

I think there is obviously 3 choices;

Super Dan, LCW or Taufik Hidayat

LD rules!

08-02-2009, 01:56 PM

i vote for lcw..come on..u can do that..u still have many many many many supporters outside this forum..

you probaly waisted your time as we all know that LD should win

LD rules!

08-02-2009, 01:58 PM

I think there is obviously 3 choices;

Super Dan, LCW or Taufik Hidayat

achually there is 64 choices remeber there is always the possibillity of an upset

sting1988

08-02-2009, 03:56 PM

Hope Gade or Taufik could be in the final!!! the dream final

X Ball

08-02-2009, 09:29 PM

jasonmarc

08-02-2009, 10:06 PM

Hope Gade or Taufik could be in the final!!! the dream final

Then PG has to beat LD first...in QF.....:eek:...its hard but still possible.....;)

jasonmarc

08-02-2009, 10:07 PM

Loh

08-02-2009, 10:45 PM

I spoke to a friend of LCW and he said LCW is convinced he will not lose this time round.

He is putting his mind to it and if he meets LD, LD will know he is in a fight. Every shuttle will be retrieved and every point will be contested to the fullest. If it takes 3 sets, LCW is set to play to the last shuttle. This is his EPIC and in my mind, you have to be 'beyond LD' to take the title from him.

LCW has shown us how desparate he wants to win by even going to Korea to seek LM's advice at such a late stage but unfortunately no matter how convinced he is at winning, it not for him to say. :cool:

No matter how LCW wants to emulate his Singapore Open giant-killer NTM, LD will be ready for him, more so this time since LYB knew of his arch-enemy LM's motive to destroy his blue-eyed boy, LD. LYB will have suitable tactics up his sleeve to counter LM's chess moves. For all you know LYB may have consulted his senior, "The Thing" again.:p

In fact, before we talk about LD, LCW has to clear his real first hurdle and very tough stumbling block, the ever willingly NTM who wants to repeat his feat and prove that his victory over LCW was no fluke! LCW is focusing too much of his energies at the wrong man. He and his coach have forgotten the adage "First Thing First". :rolleyes:

Assuming LCW managed to take revenge on NTM, the BC folks here have given a resounding YES to LD to win the WC title again.

LD (#5) has received 132 votes (53.6%) so far against LCW's (#1) 53 votes (21.5%). This is far ahead of and more than twice the number of votes that LCW has collected. Not a very convincing demonstration of confidence for LCW no matter how "convinced he will not lose this time round". ;)

Surprisingly, little is accorded to TH (#4) and CJ (#2), either of whom is expected to meet LD or LCW in the final. TH and CJ were given meagre 27 votes (10.9%) and 7 votes (2.8%) respectively! INA supporters will still hope TH can beat the top contenders but if LYB did not interfere, CJ could be the more realistic one to break his teammate's back! :rolleyes:

As for LCW, X Ball may have to look into his cracked crystal ball again while there's still time and say his prayers before trying to scrutinize for signs of increased or misplaced confidence. Listening to LCW's friend may not be good enough as a confidence booster. :D:D:D

Gaintkiller

08-02-2009, 11:10 PM

he can burried u with million/billion of satay
need another tempting offer lar;)

Come on Chong Wei's. I will grant you Tan Sri title if you win the champion..

X Ball

08-02-2009, 11:24 PM

Loh, I hate to refute your comments but NTM is not going pass two sets-that is my view. He will be humbled. Challenge me to a bet if you dare (how about, if it goes only two sets for LCW to beat NTM, you buy me a night stay at the Raffles Singapore but if it takes more than two sets for LCW to beat NTM (or if NTM wins), then I buy you a night stay at the Sheraton KL,Malaysia. C'mon, be brave (not just words here as you always do) - take the bet.

Loh

08-02-2009, 11:26 PM

Loh, I hate to refute your comments but NTM is not going pass two sets-that is my view. He will be humbled. Challenge me to a bet if you dare (how about, if it goes more than two straight sets for LCW to beat NTM, you buy me a night stay at the Raffles Singapore but if it takes only two sets for LCW to beat NTM (or if NTM wins), then I buy you a might stay at the Sheraton KL,Malaysia. C'mon, be brave (not just words here as you always do) - take the bet.

From past records, it is pointless betting with you! :D

X Ball

08-03-2009, 02:59 AM

From past records, it is pointless betting with you! :D

You sort of remind me of the 'thing' that flies in the backyard which starts with a 'c'.:D

Loh

08-03-2009, 04:02 AM

You sort of remind me of the 'thing' that flies in the backyard which starts with a 'c'.:D

Surely I don't have to remind you again that your views have gone wrong most times. :rolleyes::D:)

yadzli.amn

08-03-2009, 04:17 AM

I pick LCW... remember that LD did mentioned aftre Olympic that he no longer has much thing to prove..Mentally IF LCW can overcome the nerve to LD, then for sure LCW will win....:D:D:D

Sandmandj

08-03-2009, 04:23 AM

Even though the title of the poll is "Who WILL win" as opposed to "Who do you WANT to win", my answer is LCW. It's not that I dislike LD, but I don't think a persons complete dominance is good for a sport.

LD kicks ass and he's superb, but i'd love to see LCW get something. Even if it's just to make LD have to rethink a few things.

I'd buy him a nasi goreng if he took LD to the cleaners. ;)

LD rules!

08-03-2009, 04:29 AM

X Ball

08-03-2009, 04:41 AM

Surely I don't have to remind you again that your views have gone wrong most times. :rolleyes::D:)

ya, but right more times than you.:D

Sandmandj

08-03-2009, 04:44 AM

possibly one of the only things LCW will get is a semi final defeat and a plane ticket home

I love the way you start your sentence with 'possibly'. LCW has the tools to bring him down, it all depends on which LD turns up. I agree with you on one thing though, LD at 100% and LCW at 100% and LCW will be in a taxi on route to the airport.

nicholasleong79

08-03-2009, 06:55 AM

he can burried u with million/billion of satay
need another tempting offer lar;)
all the way LCW....go go Malaysia :D

narnia

08-03-2009, 11:14 AM

LD has taken too much rest losing some sense of international tourneys, so I go for LCW.

:)

LD rules!

08-03-2009, 12:38 PM

I love the way you start your sentence with 'possibly'. LCW has the tools to bring him down, it all depends on which LD turns up. I agree with you on one thing though, LD at 100% and LCW at 100% and LCW will be in a taxi on route to the airport.

Agree with you there however there is no chance anyone in the world could take down LD at 100%

2cents

08-03-2009, 01:57 PM

Lee Chong Wei has been waiting too long ...

Lin Dan has been ruling too long ...

Peter Gade has been playing too long ...

Taufik has been losing too long ...

Bao Chun Lai has been injured too long ...

Chen Jin is still too young ...

cooler

08-03-2009, 06:27 PM

cooler

08-03-2009, 06:32 PM

teamplayer

08-03-2009, 08:02 PM

Hope Lee Chong Wei win so he can add the major title to his collection.

Loh

08-03-2009, 10:06 PM

I pick LCW... remember that LD did mentioned aftre Olympic that he no longer has much thing to prove..Mentally IF LCW can overcome the nerve to LD, then for sure LCW will win....:D:D:D

But LD has changed his mind again for sure. Yes, he has proven that despite his lower World Ranking, he has beaten the WR1 more times, especially during the Beijing Olympics. He didn't get a datukship award, but he must be very satisfied with his rare Olympic gold medal and the manner in which he totally subdued his rival, so there is no more motivation for him to beat him further. Futhermore, the WR1 in name has not won any majors and being a good friend he wants him to have at least one in his collection. After all, one has to wait 4 years to compete in the Olympics and only one year for the WC. :rolleyes:

But things have changed now... LD is very, very angry that LCW has gone all the way to Korea to visit LM for tips to beat him, something most uncharacteristic and alien to him as LM is coach to Korea's No.1 PSH, another WC contender. Remember LD was so sore with LM that he once threw his racket at him during an international and this had caused a furore. And CHN head coach LYB who once wanted to "break his(LCW's) leg" has made it very clear in the past that there was no love lost between him and LM. Now that arch-rival LM has openly accepted and coached LCW, LYB must quietly be very furious and must have ordered LD not to relax his game but to repeat his Beijing Olympics gold medal performance! :eek:

So, LCW will need more than LM to help him overcome LD. Especially when LD has "The Thing" and LYB by his side! :D:D:D

jasonmarc

08-03-2009, 10:21 PM

Yes, even a god like LD..needed 'the thing', LYB to face LCW.....the greatest 2 in chn....

What wrong with LCW..........to consult LM a discarded coach from chn.........??????

Loh

08-03-2009, 10:37 PM

Yes, even a god like LD..needed 'the thing', LYB to face LCW.....the greatest 2 in chn....

What wrong with LCW..........to consult LM a discarded coach from chn.........??????

Well if you are PSH and your coach is paid by your association to help you become the best player in the world but now openly coached your rival to beat the hot favourite for the WC title, this may be okay for you and your country's badminton association, but I don't see this as normal and certainly not in order. :cool:

LD is using 'legitimate' resources to help him not a coach from another country which is not officially engaged for the purpose. :rolleyes:

Anyway it shows how much LCW wants to beat LD at all cost and it could jolly well backfire. :D

X Ball

08-04-2009, 03:00 AM

Well if you are PSH and your coach is paid by your association to help you become the best player in the world but now openly coached your rival to beat the hot favourite for the WC title, this may be okay for you and your country's badminton association, but I don't see this as normal and certainly not in order. :cool:

LD is using 'legitimate' resources to help him not a coach from another country which is not officially engaged for the purpose. :rolleyes:

Anyway it shows how much LCW wants to beat LD at all cost and it could jolly well backfire. :D

So LCW is illegitimate just because he used some common sense by consulting an old coach. Oh wow. :rolleyes: And not to mention, it was ok'ed by the Korean Badminton Association. Loh, you really hit rock bottom there.:eek:

X Ball

08-04-2009, 03:07 AM

But LD has changed his mind again for sure. Yes, he has proven that despite his lower World Ranking, he has beaten the WR1 more times, especially during the Beijing Olympics. He didn't get a datukship award, but he must be very satisfied with his rare Olympic gold medal and the manner in which he totally subdued his rival, so there is no more motivation for him to beat him further. Futhermore, the WR1 in name has not won any majors and being a good friend he wants him to have at least one in his collection. After all, one has to wait 4 years to compete in the Olympics and only one year for the WC. :rolleyes:

But things have changed now... LD is very, very angry that LCW has gone all the way to Korea to visit LM for tips to beat him, something most uncharacteristic and alien to him as LM is coach to Korea's No.1 PSH, another WC contender. Remember LD was so sore with LM that he once threw his racket at him during an international and this had caused a furore. And CHN head coach LYB who once wanted to "break his(LCW's) leg" has made it very clear in the past that there was no love lost between him and LM. Now that arch-rival LM has openly accepted and coached LCW, LYB must quietly be very furious and must have ordered LD not to relax his game but to repeat his Beijing Olympics gold medal performance! :eek:

Really, why would LD care if LCW consults LM ? You can't stop the world doing what they want - unless you are suggesting that LD is so shallow that he cannot see that.

So, LCW will need more than LM to help him overcome LD. Especially when LD has "The Thing" and LYB by his side! :D:D:D

So you are saying Misbun with LM are not good ? Another insult ?

Loh

08-04-2009, 03:27 AM

So you are saying Misbun with LM are not good ? Another insult ?

Cool down X Ball, otherwise your crystal ball will be completely shattered and you may not be able to decipher your own face from it. :D

No insults are intended. The conclusions are all yours and the negative words and inferences came from your own mouth. :cool:

Not to worry too much, for whether the players and/or coaches are good enough, they will have to face reality in the end. Whether your predictions will come true or not it will soon be revealed. :rolleyes: Just pray that you are dead right! :D

We're here to arouse greater interest and to enjoy, remember? :)

jasonmarc

08-04-2009, 04:27 AM

Well if you are PSH and your coach is paid by your association to help you become the best player in the world but now openly coached your rival to beat the hot favourite for the WC title, this may be okay for you and your country's badminton association, but I don't see this as normal and certainly not in order. :cool:

LD is using 'legitimate' resources to help him not a coach from another country which is not officially engaged for the purpose. :rolleyes:

Anyway it shows how much LCW wants to beat LD at all cost and it could jolly well backfire. :D

Uncle Loh, do u think all this is illegal or what........:confused:

We are proud that LCW trying hard to win this WC with all legal and right methods, he trained hard, even went to Korea to consult LM, sparing with Korean players,.....IF he fail again after all this.......no regrets and i think he will keep on trying......thats Sprotmanship is about.......keep improving yourself and try to beat the best(LD)...........and never afraid of what ever back fire...............;)

lcleing

08-04-2009, 05:18 AM

But LD has changed his mind again for sure. Yes, he has proven that despite his lower World Ranking, he has beaten the WR1 more times, especially during the Beijing Olympics. He didn't get a datukship award, but he must be very satisfied with his rare Olympic gold medal and the manner in which he totally subdued his rival, so there is no more motivation for him to beat him further. Futhermore, the WR1 in name has not won any majors and being a good friend he wants him to have at least one in his collection. After all, one has to wait 4 years to compete in the Olympics and only one year for the WC. :rolleyes:

But things have changed now... LD is very, very angry that LCW has gone all the way to Korea to visit LM for tips to beat him, something most uncharacteristic and alien to him as LM is coach to Korea's No.1 PSH, another WC contender. Remember LD was so sore with LM that he once threw his racket at him during an international and this had caused a furore. And CHN head coach LYB who once wanted to "break his(LCW's) leg" has made it very clear in the past that there was no love lost between him and LM. Now that arch-rival LM has openly accepted and coached LCW, LYB must quietly be very furious and must have ordered LD not to relax his game but to repeat his Beijing Olympics gold medal performance! :eek:

So, LCW will need more than LM to help him overcome LD. Especially when LD has "The Thing" and LYB by his side! :D:D:D

Just a suggestion, why don't you ask Ronald Susilo to be a little bit more consistent in international competitions(read, try to beat LD again), instead of trying to belittle LCW with LD's acheivements? Or perhaps, there's nothing left to be talk about in Singapore badminton to the extent that you have to resolve to switching your target to your poor's neighbour's national players?

eaglehelang

08-04-2009, 05:56 AM

LD is using 'legitimate' resources to help him not a coach from another country which is not officially engaged for the purpose. :rolleyes:

Anyway it shows how much LCW wants to beat LD at all cost and it could jolly well backfire. :D

In the midst of all this, you all seemed to have forgotten that Misbun was there and that LCW also had other people to "consult" while there (its not Li Mao).
And who says it was actually Li Mao training, could be Misbun conducting the training, the rest is smoke screen, hehe. PSH sparred with LCW yes, I suppose Korea BA thought why not leh, OG silver medalist, better for PSH.

Yup, it could have gotten LYB & LD pissed and worried. ;):p

You all read2 the articles, didnt read thoroughly.:D

abedeng

08-04-2009, 06:03 AM

I do not see that any of Loh's posts belittled LCW in any manner.

It is true, LD and practically the whole CHN squad hate Li Mao.

It is also true, that a player training with another country's coach, is not in the natural order of things. Especially when training for a major tournament. Under no circumstances did Loh say that it was the wrong or illegal thing to do. In any case, Li Mao, Misbun, they are great coaches, but they can only work on tactics. How they are applied on court is up to the player's mind.

Finally, it is also spot on, when Loh mentioned LCW needs more than just Li Mao to beat LD. He needs to find in himself, all the things no coach in the world can provide. Belief and confidence. And the grand ability for recovery from a bad position.

LD rules!

08-04-2009, 06:10 AM

LD is going to win if he Is 100% It doesn't matter what his ranking is

eaglehelang

08-04-2009, 06:36 AM

It is also true, that a player training with another country's coach, is not in the natural order of things. Especially when training for a major tournament. Under no circumstances did Loh say that it was the wrong or illegal thing to do. In any case, Li Mao, Misbun, they are great coaches, but they can only work on tactics. How they are applied on court is up to the player's mind.

.

Uncle Loh didnt say so outright but it was implied from these sentences :
but I don't see this as normal and certainly not in order. :cool:

LD is using 'legitimate' resources to help him not a coach from another country which is not officially engaged for the purpose.

Saying sthing is not in order naturally means not in order lor, like life not in order - messy. In normal Msian english it implies 'it's not correct to do' That certainly is stronger than "not in natural order of things."
legitimate in "" implies it's not really legit lor(very very clear to me & if I dont want to say it directly, that's how I would put it too), esp after "not in order". :p:p:D

Anyway, our uncle Loh seems to be having fun with all the banter.

X Ball

08-04-2009, 07:50 AM

Uncle Loh, LCW starts up at 7am (probably earlier) and he trains every day except when he gets time off from the coach. He has put in more effort than any other player I have seen and today he gets to where he is because of his dedication.

To throw a few words here and there that suggests he is doing it wrong and to say it would backfire on him is almost saying LCW doesn't know what he is doing and you do.

Ok have fun on him. No problemo.:rolleyes:

X Ball

08-04-2009, 08:02 AM

Finally, it is also spot on, when Loh mentioned LCW needs more than just Li Mao to beat LD. He needs to find in himself, all the things no coach in the world can provide. Belief and confidence. And the grand ability for recovery from a bad position.

LCW does not need Li Mao to beat LD. He was there to train, away from the distractions at home. But he is not too proud to acknowledge a good coach like Li Mao, and that is the way it is. Loh was trying to put more slant to this.

lcleing

08-04-2009, 08:18 AM

I do not see that any of Loh's posts belittled LCW in any manner.

Oh, really? Read below?

But LD has changed his mind again for sure. Yes, he has proven that despite his lower World Ranking, he has beaten the WR1 more times, especially during the Beijing Olympics. He didn't get a datukship award, but he must be very satisfied with his rare Olympic gold medal and the manner in which he totally subdued his rival, so there is no more motivation for him to beat him further. Futhermore, the WR1 in name has not won any majors and being a good friend he wants him to have at least one in his collection. After all, one has to wait 4 years to compete in the Olympics and only one year for the WC. :rolleyes:

Probably it is just me, but the whole statement seems to suggest that LCW is completely at LD's mercy and he could only win if LD 'let' him to. I don't know much about South East Asians' culture(probably you guys are a little more tolerant to usage of words as such) but to me this is an insult to the player who is competing on an equal ground with LD. What are you trying to suggest? The difference in LD and LCW is so huge that his entire fate in WC is completely decided by LD? Or is Loh trying to suggest that's nothing LCW can do no matter how hard he tries? For goodness sake, I won't even say this to a less achieved player like Ronald Susilo, let alone LCW.

So, LCW will need more than LM to help him overcome LD. Especially when LD has "The Thing" and LYB by his side! :D:D:D

/sarcasm on
Sure, LCW will still need LD and LYB's permission to overcome LD. Ohh, probably Loh's permission too.
/sarcasm off

eaglehelang

08-04-2009, 09:18 AM

Uncle Loh, LCW starts up at 7am (probably earlier) and he trains every day except when he gets time off from the coach. He has put in more effort than any other player I have seen and today he gets to where he is because of his dedication.

Errrr, it's 6.30 am, that's when Misbun trains his back up players, LCW joins in. Misbun go earlier still, 6 am, after dawn prayers, that's where LCW says he gets his motivation to go early, the coach already there waiting.

Anyway, i suddenly realise we off-topic already, since LCW thread have similar thing, haha.

nokh88

08-04-2009, 09:22 AM

volcom

08-04-2009, 09:53 AM

Can't wait for China to dominate

suetyan

08-04-2009, 10:08 AM

Can't wait for China to dominate
yeah, me too :D

2cents

08-04-2009, 11:26 AM

Malaysia is definitely a badminton power house. The players there are very smart, hardworking and disciplined. The people there love badminton so much, even treat it as national sport. But unfortunately, Malaysia has not got any success in recent several decades. They have never won any Olympic gold, have never won any World Championship either.

We can always see many good players at all different levels of tournaments from Malaysia. They also spend big money to hire the best coaches in the world. Their companies all heartedly sponsor the tournaments and players…… Even at this small forum for badminton, Malaysia has got the biggest fan base here. Why they just cannot produce single one world champion ever? Malaysia even created a unique slogan “Malaysia Boleh”, but at the end, it is always Malaysia which failed to Boleh.

Human character is the most important factor which determines all the others. The people there are special: native Malay and indigenous people are majority and Chinese descendants take 23% of the population. I believe Malaysian is only one of the very few counties who legally discriminate minorities. Chinese descendants have been suffering a broad range of unfairness, but strangely, they accept it as an integrated part of their life. Chinese descendants are very hardworking and disciplined, they did comparably well in personal achievements comparing native Malay people. But they also behave very restrained with cautiousness and worries under that special environment.

Because this special social structure, Chinese descendants in Malaysia are very good even in badminton. This can be explained by their open education, hardworking and discipline. They know they have to work extra under the discriminating laws, but on the badminton court, it’s still a fair game. That environment made them know how to work smart and work hard, but they never know how to release their passion and energy.

Look at all those Malaysian players (Chinese descendants), they are all very modest, humble, and shy. They have learnt from their life that they have to control their feelings, their passions inside. They have learnt to take care of the majority’s feelings in the cost of sacrificing their own.

But what is champion character? Look at Lin Dan, Taufik…, a champion has to be arrogant, a champion has to be impatient, a champion has to be wild, has to be reckless; a champion has to be able to release his passion, his energy at maximum as he wants to.

That’s the reason why they failed to Boleh big time. From the early years of Malaysia, even Prime minister Mahathir doubted Malay people’s ability at the beginning, he used Malaysian Boleh at the beginning to encourage Malay people’s confidence that they can do whatever the other countries, other nations, other races can do. In the process of this great social changes, Chinese descendants in Malaysian have learnt to restrained themselves to let the Malay people Boleh. This biological fingerprint / bio marker has been inserted into their genes.

The biggest Malaysian Boleh in badminton is still Hafiz’s all England champion. There is no wonder now, Hafiz is a native Malay only who can Boleh.

For LCW, WCH, KKK, TBH,…, the top players from Malaysian, but Chinese descendants. Their badminton levels have already reached the best in the world, but they have to open their human nature before grab any world champions. Even teenager girls know that, only bad guys who dare to be bad, can get the most beautiful girls.

But unfortunately, Malaysia’s discriminating law will not change soon, or will never change. Malaysia Chinese knew they were different when they were born. They were taught to avoid confrontation with others. Can we imagine Lee CW suddenly becoming arrogant, wild, reckless…? If Lee CW happens to read this article of mine, he could probably win this world champion.

ctjcad

08-04-2009, 04:34 PM

..Malaysia Boleh to ya!!..;)
...but LD suppporters thinks that it is LD title to lose at this WC, esp Loh.
...
..i'm not a LD supporter but i would think the same, too, that it's LD's title to lose...Heck, even the current poll shows BCers overwhelmingly believe LD will put another heartbreak to LCW and his many die-hard supporters, should they meet in the Semis..;)

Loh

08-04-2009, 10:26 PM

jasonmarc

08-04-2009, 10:32 PM

..Malaysia Boleh to ya!!..;)

..i'm not a LD supporter but i would think the same, too, that it's LD's title to lose...Heck, even the current poll shows BCers overwhelmingly believe LD will put another heartbreak to LCW and his many die-hard supporters, should they meet in the Semis..;)

We are all got used to it alreadylah :D:D.........we can only hope for the better now.........Anyway, LCW determination and hard works have make us feel very proud :p.;)..........

yellowduck

08-04-2009, 10:43 PM

yadzli.amn

08-04-2009, 10:56 PM

its great u guys feels so strongly about lindan and chongwei. i just wonder if both players are in fact good friends and hang out after matches? i seem to notice them having smiles on their faces each time they play. im malaysian and i thoroughly enjoy watching both players. i do think lindan is a more gifted player. having said that i vote chongwei. malaysia boleh!

I totally agree with you bro.. Both are gifted player. Somehow for top players they are normally have some sort of mutual respect between each other.

I would really like to see how both of them play an exhibition game to show all their gifted skill as what the tennis player @ table tennis player used to do. I am sure all of us will be thrilled to watch it. Imagine LD smashes at 308 km/h while LCW will lunge his body to take the smash and then beautifully crafted the cross court net play with double wrist action...:D:D:D

Goshhh.... sport is for fun and a way of communicating to the others. Prize money is for competition and at the end the friendship is priceless...;););)

Enjoy the games bros and sis....

Loh

08-04-2009, 11:36 PM

Uncle Loh, do u think all this is illegal or what........:confused:

We are proud that LCW trying hard to win this WC with all legal and right methods, he trained hard, even went to Korea to consult LM, sparing with Korean players,.....IF he fail again after all this.......no regrets and i think he will keep on trying......thats Sprotmanship is about.......keep improving yourself and try to beat the best(LD)...........and never afraid of what ever back fire...............;)

No Jason, this is not illegal. There are currently no BWF rules that I know to prevent one country's coach or player to seek the help of another country's coach. But whether this is perfectly all right is another question. It concerns the 'moral' side of things. But of course, there are others who may not agree.

I have used the words "unprecedented", "uncharacteristic" and "alien" concerning this case as I have not encountered any such cases in the past concerning such a high level competition as the World Championships.

I have pointed out certain possible negative scenarios that will affect those that are involved in this arrangement. I think I have also asked the question what if you are KOR#1 PSH and your own coach agrees to tip your rival to win the WC title when you are also going for it? :rolleyes:

There is never any doubt that LCW has worked very hard to arrive at his WR1 position and he wants desparately to be World Champion to justify his WR1 ranking as well. But the way he goes about doing it with LM and setting what I consider to be a morally unpleasant precedent is not quite a good example for others to follow. :o

Loh

08-04-2009, 11:48 PM

Probably it is just me, but the whole statement seems to suggest that LCW is completely at LD's mercy and he could only win if LD 'let' him to. I don't know much about South East Asians' culture(probably you guys are a little more tolerant to usage of words as such) but to me this is an insult to the player who is competing on an equal ground with LD. What are you trying to suggest? The difference in LD and LCW is so huge that his entire fate in WC is completely decided by LD? Or is Loh trying to suggest that's nothing LCW can do no matter how hard he tries? For goodness sake, I won't even say this to a less achieved player like Ronald Susilo, let alone LCW.

I agree that both LD and LCW are the best players in the world at the moment but LD suppporters thinks that it is LD title to lose at this WC, esp Loh. What about PG, Taufik and others? They are all pros and are training very hard too. Though I voted for LCW, it's fine with me whoever wins except LD. Let's see what his supporters have to say if LD doesn't win the title.

Don't take what I said too seriously. This is just a pre-match game that we used to play here especially when X Ball claims that LCW will win the WC 100%. We just can't let a claim like this escape without any verbal 'fight.' At other times you'll be surprised that we'll even support LCW but now LD seems to be disadvantaged, at least to me. That's why more so my vote goes to LD. It is more fun having different viewpoints, though views in support of LD have been quite muted this time. :D

Loh

08-05-2009, 12:17 AM

Malaysia is definitely a badminton power house.

But unfortunately, Malaysia’s discriminating law will not change soon, or will never change. Malaysia Chinese knew they were different when they were born. They were taught to avoid confrontation with others. Can we imagine Lee CW suddenly becoming arrogant, wild, reckless…? If Lee CW happens to read this article of mine, he could probably win this world champion.

Interesting insight, but as always there may be exceptions.

Well, MAS is starting to change out of political and economic necessity. First with the commercial enterprises and hopefully later with the other issues. ;)

lcleing

08-05-2009, 05:38 AM

I'm sorry you think this way and make general 'negative' conclusions but on the other hand you are a newbie with only 17 posts to your credit. It is better that you refrain from making "personal" references since you do not know what has transpired in the past.:D

So please take back your suggestion.

Thank you for your concern. You could procced to make "personal" references on me based on the post count I have but I don't think post counts in this forum has anything to do with wisdom or knowledge about badminton. Furthermore, I don't think filling this forum with silly comments will make you any smarter. It is sad to know that a person who has live as long as yourself could possibly make such comments like your previous posts. And also please bear in mind that this is a public forum. So, you can take back your suggestion as well.

SHLAU

08-05-2009, 07:45 AM

[quote=2cents;1221597] Chinese descendants are very hardworking and disciplined, they did comparably well in personal achievements comparing native Malay people. But they also behave very restrained with cautiousness and worries under that special environment.
quote]

Your comment here is correct especially the last sentence of this paragraph which had alreasy manifested itself in this forum, i.e. not many Msia's fans dare to respond to your post.:p

eaglehelang

08-05-2009, 08:21 AM

..

..i'm not a LD supporter but i would think the same, too, that it's LD's title to lose...Heck, even the current poll shows BCers overwhelmingly believe LD will put another heartbreak to LCW and his many die-hard supporters, should they meet in the Semis..;)

Heartbreak? where got heartbreak if already lost so many times.. If LD lose (in whichever stage of competition), then only got heartbreak for LD fans :p:p

eaglehelang

08-05-2009, 08:25 AM

Your comment here is correct especially the last sentence of this paragraph which had alreasy manifested itself in this forum, i.e. not many Msia's fans dare to respond to your post.:p

No need respond, already know mah - ISA. :DAnd we dont make posts like 2cents so directlysince it will border on racial issues

volcom

08-05-2009, 09:02 AM

Heartbreak? where got heartbreak if already lost so many times.. If LD lose (in whichever stage of competition), then only got heartbreak for LD fans :p:p
Heartbreak that after so long, he cannot win any major titles and maybe end his career achieving none still?
If that's not heartbreaking to think about then.... :confused:

nokh88

08-05-2009, 10:16 AM

Don't take what I said too seriously. This is just a pre-match game that we used to play here especially when X Ball claims that LCW will win the WC 100%. We just can't let a claim like this escape without any verbal 'fight.' At other times you'll be surprised that we'll even support LCW but now LD seems to be disadvantaged, at least to me. That's why more so my vote goes to LD. It is more fun having different viewpoints, though views in support of LD have been quite muted this time. :D

Don't worry Sir, I wont take it seriously. I think a little verbal fight is healthy, otherwise what is the purpose of this forum and every member has his/her favourite player whick makes it more interesting. There are two issues I like to comment.

1) Your claim that LD is at a disadvantage (highlighted in red above) is not true. See polls ( 160 against 67).

I'm sorry you think this way and make general 'negative' conclusions but on the other hand you are a newbie with only 17 posts to your credit. It is better that you refrain from making "personal" references since you do not know what has transpired in the past.:D

So please take back your suggestion.

2) On a personal basis, your comments on lcleing being a newbie and based on post count is not appropriate and I agree with his rebuttal. We are all new members and you should be magnanimous and not discourage us to have our say. You may scare new members from contributing.

jasonmarc

08-05-2009, 09:38 PM

Heartbreak that after so long, he cannot win any major titles and maybe end his career achieving none still?
If that's not heartbreaking to think about then.... :confused:

I dont think so,...IF LCW have to retired without a single major event title also he's the best MS MAS have ever produced in history........he still can feel proud of himselve for being a hard working with great determination player...which erned him lots of respect from fans around the world...:p:p

X Ball

08-05-2009, 10:09 PM

Heartbreak that after so long, he cannot win any major titles and maybe end his career achieving none still?
If that's not heartbreaking to think about then.... :confused:

Wouldn't it be great if he finishes his career on top of LD, eclipsing him ? Like winning the WC this time round. He will be known as the guy who doused the LD fire- the guy who was better than LD at the end ?:D;)

Loh

08-06-2009, 12:04 AM

Just a suggestion, why don't you ask Ronald Susilo to be a little bit more consistent in international competitions(read, try to beat LD again), instead of trying to belittle LCW with LD's acheivements? Or perhaps, there's nothing left to be talk about in Singapore badminton to the extent that you have to resolve to switching your target to your poor's neighbour's national players?

Don't worry Sir, I wont take it seriously. I think a little verbal fight is healthy, otherwise what is the purpose of this forum and every member has his/her favourite player whick makes it more interesting. There are two issues I like to comment.

It's good that you agree.;)

1) Your claim that LD is at a disadvantage (highlighted in red above) is not true. See polls ( 160 against 67).

This is a personal opinion and I said so because LCW extended his 'armoury' by his unprecedented move of involving LM. I have already expressed my views on this matter. :rolleyes:

2) On a personal basis, your comments on lcleing being a newbie and based on post count is not appropriate and I agree with his rebuttal. We are all new members and you should be magnanimous and not discourage us to have our say. You may scare new members from contributing.

I'm sorry it may seem a bit too blunt, but I have to remind him directly that he has to do his homework before making spurious remarks on Ronald Susilo and attacked me as well.

First and foremost I have not belittled the achievements of both LCW and LD. As you would agree they are the two most interesting and talked-about combatants around to have us argue in so many words and ways and raising the emotional temperature a bit in this forum.

Yes this poll has placed LD way above LCW and that's why the latter has to resort to 'outside' help unfortunately to bolster his flagging spirits. My take is that LCW should not have gone out of the way openly just to try to squeeze that "little" out of LM. Frankly LM was unable to 'assist' him much the last time. In a way, it shows how 'diffident' LCW is at the prospect of facing LD in the SF and this is no good at such a late stage when the competition is around the corner. And it also shows how badly he wants to win. He is putting too much pressure on himself again and he will likely self-destruct at the crucial moment as he did during the final of the Beijing Olympics! :(

Secondly, he is indirectly insulting Singapore badminton and trying to blame me for "switching (my) target to your poor's neighbour's national players". He must be a fool for not knowing the high standards of Malaysian badminton and one of Asia's powerhouses. Why would I want to follow him? This forum contains many opinions which may not be complimentary but does it always mean they are trying to find scapegoats?

And he is totally out of date with Ronald Susilo who has retired. Maybe he has forgotten or doesn't even know that it was Ronald who scalped LD in the early rounds of the Athens Olympics to prevent LD from winning the crown and I think LD was then WR1.

So what irrelevant suggestion comes from him and he might as well take it back! :rolleyes:

badMania

08-06-2009, 12:49 AM

Wouldn't it be great if he finishes his career on top of LD, eclipsing him ? Like winning the WC this time round. He will be known as the guy who doused the LD fire- the guy who was better than LD at the end ?:D;)

Well, just look at Taufik Hidayat....who beat Lin Dan TWICE in the Final of World Championships 2005 and Asian Games 2006. Both times, it happened when Lin Dan was at a peak condition. But still, it doesn't prevent Lin Dan's supporters from marginalizing those victories :o

Jonc108

08-06-2009, 01:24 AM

Wouldn't it be great if he finishes his career on top of LD, eclipsing him ? Like winning the WC this time round. He will be known as the guy who doused the LD fire- the guy who was better than LD at the end ?:D;)

if LCW win this year's WC and retire, I would not say he finishes on top of LD (just one major event)...

He still have to win more against LD to subjectively demonstrate he's better than LD, fair enough...

nokh88

08-06-2009, 01:30 AM

I'm sorry it may seem a bit too blunt, but I have to remind him directly that he has to do his homework before making spurious remarks on Ronald Susilo and attacked me as well.

First and foremost I have not belittled the achievements of both LCW and LD. As you would agree they are the two most interesting and talked-about combatants around to have us argue in so many words and ways and raising the emotional temperature a bit in this forum.

Yes this poll has placed LD way above LCW and that's why the latter has to resort to 'outside' help unfortunately to bolster his flagging spirits. My take is that LCW should not have gone out of the way openly just to try to squeeze that "little" out of LM. Frankly LM was unable to 'assist' him much the last time. In a way, it shows how 'diffident' LCW is at the prospect of facing LD in the SF and this is no good at such a late stage when the competition is around the corner. And it also shows how badly he wants to win. He is putting too much pressure on himself again and he will likely self-destruct at the crucial moment as he did during the final of the Beijing Olympics! :(

Secondly, he is indirectly insulting Singapore badminton and trying to blame me for "switching (my) target to your poor's neighbour's national players". He must be a fool for not knowing the high standards of Malaysian badminton and one of Asia's powerhouses. Why would I want to follow him? This forum contains many opinions which may not be complimentary but does it always mean they are trying to find scapegoats?

And he is totally out of date with Ronald Susilo who has retired. Maybe he has forgotten or doesn't even know that it was Ronald who scalped LD in the early rounds of the Athens Olympics to prevent LD from winning the crown and I think LD was then WR1.

So what irrelevant suggestion comes from him and he might as well take it back! :rolleyes:

Points taken. I think both of you have your own arguement. I rest my case.
Back to the competetion, even if LCW could overcome LD, which I really hope, he may falter in the final, which then, will be really sad.

X Ball

08-06-2009, 01:51 AM

Well, just look at Taufik Hidayat....who beat Lin Dan TWICE in the Final of World Championships 2005 and Asian Games 2006. Both times, it happened when Lin Dan was at a peak condition. But still, it doesn't prevent Lin Dan's supporters from marginalizing those victories :o

Well does it stop anyone believing Taufik was greater - certainly Indonesians believe he is much better. I think Taufik at his peak was much better than anybody else - he is not as fast anymore nor as fit. I think if he had quited at his top, I would have remembered him as beating LD. But if you continue to play, and then you lose for fitness reason, I would say he was only good for one win.

X Ball

08-06-2009, 01:52 AM

if LCW win this year's WC and retire, I would not say he finishes on top of LD (just one major event)...

He still have to win more against LD to subjectively demonstrate he's better than LD, fair enough...

Yes, I agree. He has to beat him a few more times.

OhLala

08-06-2009, 02:16 AM

That will be a player not listed in the poll! Vote 1 for Tien Minh of Vietnam.

ctjcad

08-06-2009, 02:24 AM

Heartbreak? where got heartbreak if already lost so many times.. If LD lose (in whichever stage of competition), then only got heartbreak for LD fans :p:p
..the "heartbreak", should LCW fail to win the WC, will be for those LCW die-hard supporters who are still expecting him to finally scalp LD and perhaps win a major title, esp. in this yr's WC where LCW seems to be really focused & prepared...Of course, for those LCW supporters who aren't expecting too much, then there probably won't be any heartbreak...

Loh, you're having too much fun discussing the MS showdown between LD & LCW!:eek:

carrot1113

08-06-2009, 02:30 AM

I think Lin Dan will finally win.I trust him.

Loh

08-06-2009, 02:53 AM

..the "heartbreak", should LCW fail to win the WC, will be for those LCW die-hard supporters who are still expecting him to finally scalp LD and perhaps win a major title, esp. in this yr's WC where LCW seems to be really focused & prepared...Of course, for those LCW supporters who aren't expecting too much, then there probably won't be any heartbreak...

Loh, you're having too much fun discussing the MS showdown between LD & LCW!:eek:

Thank you my dear Chris and you too, much more than me. :D:D:D
But our dear Bro Din will have the last laugh ... all the way in Hyderabad.;):rolleyes::p

ctjcad

08-06-2009, 02:59 AM

..i only have less than 2x the number of posts in comparison to yours in this thread...:o
Actually, this thread got a bit more interesting when lcleing finally showed up...;)

jasonmarc

08-06-2009, 03:04 AM

That will be a player not listed in the poll! Vote 1 for Tien Minh of Vietnam.

If NTM is in top 10, sure he will get quite a numbers of votes..............:D:D

Loh

08-06-2009, 03:10 AM

If NTM is in top 10, sure he will get quite a numbers of votes..............:D:D

Maybe it came a bit too late but NTM is now WR9, isn't it? :)

george@chongwei

08-06-2009, 03:23 AM

If NTM is in top 10, sure he will get quite a numbers of votes..............:D:D
Don't worry, i'm sure uncle loh had already voted for him in the others category..:cool:;)

Loh

08-06-2009, 03:26 AM

Don't worry, i'm sure uncle loh had already voted for him in the others category..:cool:;)

You mean in the R3 category, if there is one? :D:D

george@chongwei

08-06-2009, 03:27 AM

It seems like there's already many heated exchanges and debating going on here in this thread..:D especially between xball and uncle loh..haha..
anyway, we will see the final outcome of all the world championships match soon..:cool:

by the way, i can't see that banana boy presence here this few months? where is he?:rolleyes: i predict he will come back and roar here and there again like mad lion:D if mas players lost..:D:rolleyes::rolleyes:
As usual, that's his routine, before the tournament starts, keep quiet hide back to his banana hole, then if mas players lost..wow, as fast as a lighting he ROAR here:D

george@chongwei

08-06-2009, 03:29 AM

You mean in the R3 category, if there is one? :D:D
I know if there is one, the player you will vote of course is NTM.:D
Since you are so confident of him, why don't we have some bet in this match?;):p Since you dont wanna bet with xball.:p
you are on NTM side, while i'm here on LCW side. Want?:cool:

GameGod

08-06-2009, 03:34 AM

There can be no comparison. He may be ranked fifth, but he dominates the world consistently, and wins games mechanically. There is almost no chance that Lee Chong Wei will be able to even take the match to 3 games, considering how important this title will be to Lin Dan. I am in little doubt as to who will win.

george@chongwei

08-06-2009, 03:38 AM

jasonmarc

08-06-2009, 03:47 AM

Loh

08-06-2009, 04:12 AM

Thank you for your concern. You could procced to make "personal" references on me based on the post count I have but I don't think post counts in this forum has anything to do with wisdom or knowledge about badminton. Furthermore, I don't think filling this forum with silly comments will make you any smarter. It is sad to know that a person who has live as long as yourself could possibly make such comments like your previous posts. And also please bear in mind that this is a public forum. So, you can take back your suggestion as well.

Why in the world would you want to join in if you think we are filling this forum with silly comments ... and you start being personal and doing it again? :D

Loh

08-06-2009, 04:17 AM

I know if there is one, the player you will vote of course is NTM.:D
Since you are so confident of him, why don't we have some bet in this match?;):p Since you dont wanna bet with xball.:p
you are on NTM side, while i'm here on LCW side. Want?:cool:

OK lah, you win, but I still want the underdog to repeat his performance. This will be good for badminton. :p

Loh

08-06-2009, 04:19 AM

In other words means your money will be on Lin Dan this time, eh?:confused:;)

There you see, George you better help chongwei instead. ;)

LD rules!

08-06-2009, 04:38 AM

4 days till it all starts
Come on LD !!!

Ajaib

08-06-2009, 05:03 AM

Every body know that already,...all of them are like that...not only him...!:D
all of them ?? lol..
i think it's better to keep silent and speak after the result out...
not like ( sorry ) most of boleh fans here,,,,,

nokh88

08-06-2009, 05:22 AM

I know if there is one, the player you will vote of course is NTM.:D
Since you are so confident of him, why don't we have some bet in this match?;):p Since you dont wanna bet with xball.:p
you are on NTM side, while i'm here on LCW side. Want?:cool:

George, if Loh takes up your bet and he wins, then LD will win this tournament. Who else can stop him when there is no more LCW?

markchan

08-06-2009, 05:33 AM

OK lah, you win, but I still want the underdog to repeat his performance. This will be good for badminton. :p

You say for the underdog to win is good for badminton , but here you are supporting the favorite LD [going by the results of the poll] against LCW...:confused:

Loh

08-06-2009, 05:34 AM

George, if Loh takes up your bet and he wins, then LD will win this tournament. Who else can stop him when there is no more LCW?

That's why I've got to give in to George's wishes so that LCW will have a chance to face LD ... but at the same time you've got to remind LCW fans somehow not to drop their guard because NTM is still around and may still cause an upset!:D

NTM is just hoping that everybody will forget him, he must be very happy that he is not even listed as one of the WC contenders in this poll (he's got BC friends to provide feedback though) and will even surprise LCW again because the latter has given too much respect and attention to LD and least expect to face his nemesis NTM again! George must alert chongwei. :p

Loh

08-06-2009, 05:38 AM

You say for the underdog to win is good for badminton , but here you are supporting the favorite LD [going by the results of the poll] against LCW...:confused:

Yes, but I consider LD the underdog as well because he doesn't have an outside coach to help him defeat LCW. ;)

Futhermore he's seeded five against LCW as the top seed!

nokh88

08-06-2009, 05:42 AM

Yes, but I consider LD the underdog as well because he doesn't have an outside coach to help him defeat LCW. ;)

Sorry Sir, Lowly comment.

markchan

08-06-2009, 05:44 AM

Yes, but I consider LD the underdog as well because he doesn't have an outside coach to help him defeat LCW. ;)

LD has the ultimate grandmaster sifu "the Thing" Tang to help him oledi.. no need any outside coach.
If only LCW can train under this Master.....he may even fly....:D:D:D

markchan

08-06-2009, 05:48 AM

That's why I've got to give in to George's wishes so that LCW will have a chance to face LD ... but at the same time you've got to remind LCW fans somehow not to drop their guard because NTM is still around and may still cause an upset!:D

NTM is just hoping that everybody will forget him, he must be very happy that he is not even listed as one of the WC contenders in this poll (he's got BC friends to provide feedback though) and will even surprise LCW again because the latter has given too much respect and attention to LD and least expect to face his nemesis NTM again! George must alert chongwei. :p

Loh, I agree that NTM will be a tricky opponent. His style is similar to LCW....great retreiving , etc. BUT...I believe LCW will prevail this time, just like how LCW beat Chen Long during their next meeting immediately after his loss in the India Open.

Loh

08-06-2009, 06:36 AM

Loh, I agree that NTM will be a tricky opponent. His style is similar to LCW....great retreiving , etc. BUT...I believe LCW will prevail this time, just like how LCW beat Chen Long during their next meeting immediately after his loss in the India Open.

I hope you're right and LCW must redeem himself, only if NTM allows it! :D Remember NTM's form has been glowing by the day and he even beat Boonsak recently on home ground! On a neutral spot like Hyderabad, one must expect NTM to do better! :rolleyes: And food poisoning is so uppermost in LCW's mind that he now has to bring along personal chefs, etc, etc!:p

But seriously, the draw has not been kind to both fans of LCW and LD for pitting them against each other on the same half. This match should be the finals unless someone else came out of the dark to surprise everybody! :eek:

X Ball

08-06-2009, 07:34 AM

I hope you're right and LCW must redeem himself, only if NTM allows it! :D Remember NTM's form has been glowing by the day and he even beat Boonsak recently on home ground! On a neutral spot like Hyderabad, one must expect NTM to do better! :rolleyes: And food poisoning is so uppermost in LCW's mind that he now has to bring along personal chefs, etc, etc!:p

But seriously, the draw has not been kind to both fans of LCW and LD for pitting them against each other on the same half. This match should be the finals unless someone else came out of the dark to surprise everybody! :eek:

I am sorry - NTM will not be sleeping well that night, thinking about his loss to LCW. He will know his win against LCW in their last encounter was not a true indication of his own prowess but more of LCW's off day. No disrespect but the truth will soon be known.

eaglehelang

08-06-2009, 10:18 AM

all of them ?? lol..
i think it's better to keep silent and speak after the result out...
not like ( sorry ) most of boleh fans here,,,,,

Lonngggg before result come out, also many speak already(i.e. critise & comment abt LCW cannot this & that), so have to reply lor. Like LCW very important character - every move must be scrutinized by certain opposing fans, happens every time. :p

GameGod

08-06-2009, 10:23 AM

Yes, but I consider LD the underdog as well because he doesn't have an outside coach to help him defeat LCW. ;)

Futhermore he's seeded five against LCW as the top seed!

Lin Dan's hardly the underdog. Just look at his head to head with the top seed Lee Chong Wei! While there's always the possibility of an upset, the bookies would be retards to have Lin Dan as an underdog.

In other words means your money will be on Lin Dan this time, eh?:confused:;)

Sorry if my post confused you. I'm not a betting man, but yes, if I were, my money would definitely be on Lin Dan.

Since you are so confident of him, why don't we have some bet in this match?;):p Since you dont wanna bet with xball.:p
you are on NTM side, while i'm here on LCW side. Want?:cool:

I agree that NTM's odds against Lee Chong Wei aren't high, but I wouldn't bet on either side on the outcome of this match. However, I will gladly bet you (in a friendly bet, that is - no money involved!) that Lin Dan should at the least defeat Lee Chong Wei.

extremenanopowe

08-06-2009, 10:31 AM

Ya. I think if Datuk can focus and just return the shots nicely like Swiss Open, he shd be able to take this. It's either him or ld. Not sure if BCL can do some upsets. ;)

jasonmarc

08-06-2009, 09:48 PM

Ya. I think if Datuk can focus and just return the shots nicely like Swiss Open, he shd be able to take this. It's either him or ld. Not sure if BCL can do some upsets. ;)

:D:D.....Ask LYB first....to be sure about it...:D

jasonmarc

08-06-2009, 10:02 PM

Yes, but I consider LD the underdog as well because he doesn't have an outside coach to help him defeat LCW. ;)

Futhermore he's seeded five against LCW as the top seed!

Uncle Loh,....Today's students,....after study in School, they are sent to attend tuition classes in tuition center.........every parents doing that and it happens in most of the country including Singapore.....to prepare for their exams...........Teachers in School ( Inside coaches ) and teaches in tuition center (Outside Coaches).....

Its no guarantee for those who getting tuition to get better grades than those with no tuition,...but it's about the efforts they willing to put in..............to be more prepared for their exams....

I dont see LCW shd bear extra pressure burden for his 'tuition class' in Kor.....nor shd he worry about the so called 'back-fire'.....like u mentioned !

jasonmarc

08-06-2009, 10:08 PM

Lonngggg before result come out, also many speak already(i.e. critise & comment abt LCW cannot this & that), so have to reply lor. Like LCW very important character - every move must be scrutinized by certain opposing fans, happens every time. :p

They cant accept LCW's food poisoning misfortune in India Open, they think its an excuse from LCW....but they certainly not complaining Chn Team bringing all those Food Supplies with their team for this WC in India.....:D..:p

Loh

08-06-2009, 10:27 PM

Uncle Loh,....Today's students,....after study in School, they are sent to attend tuition classes in tuition center.........every parents doing that and it happens in most of the country including Singapore.....to prepare for their exams...........Teachers in School ( Inside coaches ) and teaches in tuition center (Outside Coaches).....

Its no guarantee for those who getting tuition to get better grades than those with no tuition,...but it's about the efforts they willing to put in..............to be more prepared for their exams....

I dont see LCW shd bear extra pressure burden for his 'tuition class' in Kor.....nor shd he worry about the so called 'back-fire'.....like u mentioned !

I hope you're right.

But do remember that attending extra 'tuition' classes in not quite the same as training as a professional badminton player especially when you have to put in the extra effort to counteract your opponent who has beaten you more times and this does not help your own confidence and morale. In an exam you face the question paper only not your opponent in person and you have to recall what you've studied to produce an adequate answer.

In the badminton court, you face the man and unlike an exam question which is static, you have to react to changing circumstances, strategies and tactics, very much like a chess game, except that this is played physically with muscles, movements, rackets and shuttles.

That's why LWC has to resort to all kinds of assistance which he thinks can help him overcome LD. But all the 'extras',I feel, will only confuse him when the time comes and his focus and attention will be diverted to the less important elements.

So LCW's extra efforts could backfire once he comes face to face with a calm LD, who has not revealed his intentions thus far, unlike LCW who has told the world what he has done. :rolleyes:

Wong8Egg

08-07-2009, 12:49 AM

They cant accept LCW's food poisoning misfortune in India Open, they think its an excuse from LCW....but they certainly not complaining Chn Team bringing all those Food Supplies with their team for this WC in India.....:D..:p

Why would they complain, that's smart. Well prepared player always beat less-prepared player. :cool:

ctjcad

08-07-2009, 01:14 AM

They cant accept LCW's food poisoning misfortune in India Open, they think its an excuse from LCW....but they certainly not complaining Chn Team bringing all those Food Supplies with their team for this WC in India.....:D..:p
- Save for a few people who question/can't accept the MAS' team idea of bringing their own chefs, pre-ordering the meals' ingredients and reserving their own cooking/dining wares/utensils, i can understand their intention to cover all of the bases in case of another food poisoning episode. It's good that they've gone the extra effort.
- As for the CHN squad, if i recall, they actually brought their own chefs/"entire kitchen" to the 2007 Sudirman Cup, in Glasgow; check out the pics for that tourney. So, this is probably a "mini" version of that 2007 trip. And i doubt this will be the last time they'll do this sort of preparation.

madbad

08-07-2009, 02:21 AM

Why would they complain, that's smart. Well prepared player always beat less-prepared player. :cool:

Great, now that you have acknowledged Team China has prepared its team well, I hope there are no excuses or sour grapes if they do not perform up to expectations. :cool:

george@chongwei

08-07-2009, 02:57 AM

George, if Loh takes up your bet and he wins, then LD will win this tournament. Who else can stop him when there is no more LCW?
Lol, if only he would want to:D who else? ask the master Li.
he will be a busy man in the WC, ya know:cool:
You say for the underdog to win is good for badminton , but here you are supporting the favorite LD [going by the results of the poll] against LCW...:confused:
maybe uncle loh was implying that lin dan is the under dogs to him in this tournament besides NTM:p
That's why I've got to give in to George's wishes so that LCW will have a chance to face LD ... but at the same time you've got to remind LCW fans somehow not to drop their guard because NTM is still around and may still cause an upset!:D

NTM is just hoping that everybody will forget him, he must be very happy that he is not even listed as one of the WC contenders in this poll (he's got BC friends to provide feedback though) and will even surprise LCW again because the latter has given too much respect and attention to LD and least expect to face his nemesis NTM again! George must alert chongwei. :p
lol, if only u would want it, loh.:D of course LCW know what to expect when he play against NTM again this time around. I'm also very sure what NTM should expect from the match. Some serious badminton lesson, perhaps??;):p or some serious roller coaster ride of his life?;):D
Lin Dan's hardly the underdog. Just look at his head to head with the top seed Lee Chong Wei! While there's always the possibility of an upset, the bookies would be retards to have Lin Dan as an underdog.
tell me what happen in the OG2004 1st round;)

Sorry if my post confused you. I'm not a betting man, but yes, if I were, my money would definitely be on Lin Dan.
of course, by looking at your posts, i have already know that.:)

I agree that NTM's odds against Lee Chong Wei aren't high, but I wouldn't bet on either side on the outcome of this match. However, I will gladly bet you (in a friendly bet, that is - no money involved!) that Lin Dan should at the least defeat Lee Chong Wei.
are u talking about the future or present now?:o

george@chongwei

08-07-2009, 02:59 AM

Meanwhile, Lin dan is still leading strongly in the poll:cool:
Latest: 156 votes on him already.

Loh

08-07-2009, 04:39 AM

Meanwhile, Lin dan is still leading strongly in the poll:cool:
Latest: 156 votes on him already.

Wow 156 against 69!:eek: More than two times. Looks like the underdog cannot be overtaken. Maybe two LCW can beat one LD. :D:D:D

jasonmarc

08-07-2009, 04:42 AM

Wow 156 against 69!:eek: More than two times. Looks like the underdog cannot be overtaken. Maybe two LCW can beat one LD. :D:D:D

IF thats your theory,...means 5 TH also cant beat one LD.....:D:D:D

DairyRon

08-07-2009, 07:25 AM

Oh My... LD seen like going to end the game as fast as possible he can.... :eek::eek:

2cents

08-07-2009, 10:56 AM

Loh

08-07-2009, 11:15 AM

I don't think it will be easy for Lin Dan pass Bao CL this time in the 3rd round.

when Bao was asked to play Lin Dan in the training camp, he refused, and the reason was that they would play very soon in the world championship. This indicates that

Bao really wants to win at WC, at least win against LD
There's no fixing in the WC
Bao has developed some secret weapons against LD

Let's look at their latest results:

Bao just won 5 star Singapore super series, and skipped Indonesia open
LD skipped the Singapore, and lost to Chen Jin at Ina open
Bao has won 3 titles this year
LD has lost to too many people this year: to Chen Jin twice, to Chen Long, to Lee CW...

Therefore, I will not be surprised to see LD lost in the 3rd round.

I would agree that his CHN teammates would have a better chance to beat LD under normal circumstances because they know LD's game uptodate.

But the WC is not a normal tournament and having won twice, LD wants a record three times to make it difficult for others to eclipse his achievement.
Most of us believe that LD has that extra, that 'X' factor, which his teammates do not have and that was one reason why he managed to win so many majors compared to his teammates, match-fixing aside.

BCL would have been a formidable opponent judging from his recent good performances, but unless he has fully recovered from his reported knee or leg injury, he would not be able to match LD once the latter ups the tempo.

His other equally capable teammate CJ is in the other half of the draw and has to contend with TH in the semifinal before he could get a chance to enter the final. But against a transformed and highly motivated LD in the final, my bet is on LD to win.:D

Whether or not LCW can also clear Round 3 is another interesting question! :p

markchan

08-07-2009, 11:25 AM

Wong8Egg

08-07-2009, 02:26 PM

Great, now that you have acknowledged Team China has prepared its team well, I hope there are no excuses or sour grapes if they do not perform up to expectations. :cool:

Does it matter? They always fail according to some. It wasn't too long ago when China ONLY managed to win 3 GOLD in OG and ppl say China underperformed, meanwhile, some celebrating mad and bad for their 1 and only Silver achievement. :rolleyes:

2cents

08-07-2009, 03:12 PM

I would agree that his CHN teammates would have a better chance to beat LD under normal circumstances because they know LD's game uptodate.

But the WC is not a normal tournament and having won twice, LD wants a record three times to make it difficult for others to eclipse his achievement.
Most of us believe that LD has that extra, that 'X' factor, which his teammates do not have and that was one reason why he managed to win so many majors compared to his teammates, match-fixing aside.

BCL would have been a formidable opponent judging from his recent good performances, but unless he has fully recovered from his reported knee or leg injury, he would not be able to match LD once the latter ups the tempo.

His other equally capable teammate CJ is in the other half of the draw and has to contend with TH in the semifinal before he could get a chance to enter the final. But against a transformed and highly motivated LD in the final, my bet is on LD to win.:D

Whether or not LCW can also clear Round 3 is another interesting question! :p

Unlike many people here so sure about the things in the future, honestly, I never know who's going to win in the next match.

As long as a play can grab 1 point against Lin Dan, then he has the chance to collect 21 points from Lin Dan and quicker than Lin Dan, that's a win. So anyone can win, the question is just what's the possibility. I think LD, LCW, BCL they are all close to 50%-50% with each other.

Stats matters when betting money, or multiplying in series events. I assume LCW 80% vs NTM 20% which does not mean LCW can ignore NTM. If LCW has NTM-like guy in the first 4 rounds, then LCW only has 40% chance passing the 4th rounds. This is my answer for your previous question why not give LCW 50% instead of 24% chance of winning.:)

Very good analysis, 2 cents. I believe if there are no team orders, BCL will give LD a run for his money. BTW, where u get the above info from, esp the part where BCL refuse to play LD in training?? :)
I am of the opinion that if BCL refuse to follow team orders,if any, he will be sent to Heilongjiang to coach a school team for the rest of his career...hehe :D

Thanks MarkChan, I read some blogs of the players and some news about the chinese players. China team had 3 rounds public competition during them summer camp. In the last one, they let BCL playing LD, but BCL refused.

For player not following orders, they could play for Hong Kong, instead of Helongjiang, ;) Since Helongjiang is still inside China badminton association, they can hardly coach there :D honestly, no player can learn from him, because no matter how good you are, if you are trained by someone LYB hates, you will never have a chance in the future. Helongjiang will kick the guy out for sure.

Does it matter? They always fail according to some. It wasn't too long ago when China ONLY managed to win 3 GOLD in OG and ppl say China underperformed, meanwhile, some celebrating mad and bad for their 1 and only Silver achievement. :rolleyes:

in China, there is an open criteria, that's the 3 golds to pass. 4 golds is good, and 5 golds means excellent. If they managed to get 3 golds, it's barely passed. If less than 3 golds, LYB will be in trouble, and supposed to be replaced. in fact, after this Olympic, LYB almost lost his position. He's lucky to have the support from other coaches like Tian BY, and key players, like Lin Dan, Zhang Ning (now the coach).

Cai Jianhua, once the ping pong head coach, has been assigned as LYB's boss, which means Cai did better job than LYB. LYB's position was very unstable until the team China swept all 5 titles at All England.

madbad

08-07-2009, 03:43 PM

Does it matter? They always fail according to some. It wasn't too long ago when China ONLY managed to win 3 GOLD in OG and ppl say China underperformed, meanwhile, some celebrating mad and bad for their 1 and only Silver achievement. :rolleyes:

Not back peddling now are we? ;)

FYI, my choices for the WC are:
MS - LD
WS - XXF
MD - undecided
WD - CHN pair
XD - CHN pair

Yeah, real Malaysia Boleh selections, huh? :rolleyes::rolleyes:

So before you start implying I jumped up and down wildly for LCW's silver medal in the OG, get your facts straight first, sonny :cool:

2cents

08-07-2009, 05:04 PM

cooler

08-07-2009, 06:03 PM

my bet on MS:

Lee CW: ...22% (strong form lately)
Chen Jin: ..19% (good draw)
Taufik H: ..16% (good draw)
Lin Dan: ....15% (bad draw)
Bao CL: ....12% (worse draw, or as bad as LD)
Park: ........5%
Gade: .......4%
Rest: ........8%if u r seated on the titanic and u see LD the iceberg approaching, it doesnt matter where u sit, u'll still sink:p No need to be over analytical here:p

Athelete1234

08-07-2009, 06:41 PM

Hearing people talk about LD makes me think about the kind of reputation TH had in his heydays (2004-2006). "He can do everything if he sets his mind to it!". I'm not to sure whether that applied to TH at that time (though he did win big 3x, OG, WC, AG), but for LD, I'm pretty sure that when he's really motivated, he will shred everybody in his way (PSH, LCW in OG08 for example).

Just my opinion, but I think LD is the kind of force that can overcome any draw he gets....

X Ball

08-08-2009, 05:22 AM

Against a super fit LCW, LD would have to count on some really magical skillset to overcome LCW. And that is the cruncher - his skillset is not that great these days (tit for tat, LCW does not lose out to him).

In the past, LCW was hounded by LD for the following reasons:
- speed
- skillset (drop shots, rallies, smashes)
- defence
- Strategy
- confidence

If you are any analyst, you will also know the above reasons are unlikely to apply any more. Today, LCW is on of the fastest player, if not the fastest, on court today. He is awesomely fast. His last tournament showed him with one the best net plays (this boy has been practicing, you can tell). Rallies ? Well, remember the Swiss Open - LD wouldn't want to remember ! Smashes ? Can anyone fault LCW - his cross court shots are now as lethal as LD, and he is not shy of smashing LD.

Well, defence is always something to argue about - but over time, I noticed defence is always going to drop for anyone not fit (e.g. if you have several hard matches). So I would say, this is not going to be a problem for a very fit LCW.

Strategy wise, Misbun is not a slouch when plotting the strategy for LCW. He knows LD's game after so many years watching him (the game is up - Misbun has him mapped for every 'genome', if I can borrow the term). Additionally, LM has given LCW some great tips (of course, not to be shared here :D).

Does anyone still think LCW lacks confidence ? Well think twice if you are still not convinced. LCW thinks he will 'eat' LYB for breakfast, the guy he got easily distracted by.:D

Need I say more ?;)