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samohtom
10-12-2002, 04:53 PM
Shuttle is hit around the edge of the post, lands in, but was below net height in passing around the post. Is it a fault? Which law covers this?

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Winex West Can
10-12-2002, 07:33 PM
It's a fault and is covered under law 13.2.2 passes through or under the net

It's not a fault if the shuttle passes over the net but on the outside (usually means that the player hit the shuttle from outside the boundary lines).
LazyBuddy
10-12-2002, 08:42 PM
Agree.

As long as it under the net, I think it should be fault.
jwu
10-12-2002, 08:49 PM
it's a fault if it goes below the net. hmm, why would someone hit a shot from there anyway? that's a good distance out of the playing area. Unless there is some trick curve shot. :D
samohtom
10-13-2002, 03:35 AM
I should clarify - it went around the edge of the post so it was neither "through or under the net" to quote law 13.2.2

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mokkelbo
10-14-2002, 01:51 AM
The laws doesn't say anything about this. If this happend in a match the shuttle must been hit outside the court. Since the player who hit the shuttle so it went outside the court this player would anyway lost the point/serve. Its not a fault
JChen99
10-14-2002, 03:05 AM
but i remember watching tennis one of the games back a while where Agasi (i think it was him) played someone else... the opponant did a cross cort shot and Agasi hit the ball from out of bounds, it passed outside the post and landed in, ended up being the winning shot for the point... Dont know if it's the same in badminton tho...
LazyBuddy
10-14-2002, 06:29 AM
Originally posted by JChen99
but i remember watching tennis one of the games back a while where Agasi (i think it was him) played someone else... the opponant did a cross cort shot and Agasi hit the ball from out of bounds, it passed outside the post and landed in, ended up being the winning shot for the point... Dont know if it's the same in badminton tho...

But is that ball under the height of the net or above it? I can understand it, if that's above the height of the net.
mokkelbo
10-14-2002, 08:00 AM
But Badminton and Tennis is very different in this case. This because tennis is allowed to bounce once in the ground.
JChen99
10-14-2002, 01:13 PM
Originally posted by LazyBuddy


But is that ball under the height of the net or above it? I can understand it, if that's above the height of the net.

I think it was below net level...
jwu
10-14-2002, 02:14 PM
comparing to another sport that the ball doesn't hit the ground, volleyball. In volleyball, you have to hit the ball over the net and not around the pole.

You shouldn't be able to hit a shot outside the pole and under the net and get it in. First, the shot is under the net, 2nd, you shouldn't hit from there anyway. The entire person would have to be in out-of-bound to hit a shot like that. In that case, you already won the point, why would you even attempt a shot like that?
kwun
10-14-2002, 03:37 PM
jwu, while i agree with you from the sensical point of view. i still think the rule should cover all cases. it doesn't make sense does not mean no one will do it. a good set of rule should cover all situations and it should handle this situation in case some guy was so blind he doesn't know where he is standing at.
jwu
10-14-2002, 11:27 PM
what you say is true and judging from the rule, since the shot goes below the net, it should count as a fault then. Maybe a slight revision or better clarification to the rule is needed.
Sheldon
10-15-2002, 12:31 PM
I'm sure i read that this sort of shot isn't a fault. Surely to hit a shot from there would be rather stupid as it would obviously be out. The shuttle did not did or go under the net, just around. Same as in tennis. In volleyball you're not allowed to do this cos then your team can tee up to the extreme left or right and you get an easy point. Badminton only allows one hit and since to hit this shot the shuttle would have crossed the sidelines (if the posts are in the right place) it would have been a fault.
Loh
10-15-2002, 11:47 PM
Hi Samohtom

I think I've got the answer for you. It is found in Steven Boga's handbook on "Badminton" (page 85 No. 5 for the question and page 87 No 5a for the answer)and I quote:

Question: During a fast-paced rally, a player, not realizing the shuttle will land well out of bounds, drives the bird down her right sideline. It travels below net level to the right of the net pole and lands in the back corner of the opponent's court. What's the call?

a. Award the rally to the striking player.
b. Award the rally to the defending player.
c. Call a let.

The Answer is 5a. and the reasons are:

"The only time the shuttle is required to pass directly over the net is during service (Law 11.1.6). During a rally, the shuttle may legally travel over the net or at any height around the net pole. It is a fault if the shuttle travels under or through the net (Law 15.4.2)."

Tricky question but not for Mr Boga who makes it so clear for us when he dissects and refers to the other aspects of the Law on Service (Law 11) and on Faults (Law 15). Come to think of it, it is darn hard to score such a point!
wira
10-16-2002, 03:40 AM
Loh and Sheldon are correct; it is not a fault.
jwu
10-16-2002, 02:28 PM
Enlighten once again, well I guess it only makes sense for the striker to be awarded the point since he or she wouldn't won the point anyway if he or she did not play that shot.
pieterlewis
10-25-2002, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by JChen99
but i remember watching tennis one of the games back a while where Agasi (i think it was him) played someone else... the opponant did a cross cort shot and Agasi hit the ball from out of bounds, it passed outside the post and landed in, ended up being the winning shot for the point... Dont know if it's the same in badminton tho...

No its not the same, badminton requires ability!! :D
Seriously though I like watching tennis and Agassi is a star, but its overrated, badminton takes a lot more skill than tennis, as well as a lot more endurance, etc, etce and doesn't even get half the recognition!