why Malaysia keep failing to Boleh?

[2cents]

Malaysia is definitely a badminton power house. The players there are very smart, hardworking and disciplined. The people there love badminton so much, even treat it as national sport. But unfortunately, Malaysia has not got any success in recent several decades. They have never won any Olympic gold, have never won any World Championship either.

We can always see many good players at all different levels of tournaments from Malaysia. They also spend big money to hire the best coaches in the world. Their companies all heartedly sponsor the tournaments and players…… Even at this small forum for badminton, Malaysia has got the biggest fan base here. Why they just cannot produce single one world champion ever? Malaysia even created a unique slogan “Malaysia Boleh”, but at the end, it is always Malaysia which failed to Boleh.

Human character is the most important factor which determines all the others. The people there are special: native Malay and indigenous people are majority and Chinese descendants take 23% of the population. I believe Malaysian is only one of the very few counties who legally discriminate minorities. Chinese descendants have been suffering a broad range of unfairness, but strangely, they accept it as an integrated part of their life. Chinese descendants are very hardworking and disciplined, they did comparably well in personal achievements comparing native Malay people. But they also behave very restrained with cautiousness and worries under that special environment.

Because this special social structure, Chinese descendants in Malaysia are very good even in badminton. This can be explained by their open education, hardworking and discipline. They know they have to work extra under the discriminating laws, but on the badminton court, it’s still a fair game. That environment made them know how to work smart and work hard, but they never know how to release their passion and energy.

Look at all those Malaysian players (Chinese descendants), they are all very modest, humble, and shy. They have learnt from their life that they have to control their feelings, their passions inside. They have learnt to take care of the majority’s feelings in the cost of sacrificing their own.

But what is champion character? Look at Lin Dan, Taufik…, a champion has to be arrogant, a champion has to be impatient, a champion has to be wild, has to be reckless; a champion has to be able to release his passion, his energy at maximum as he wants to.

That’s the reason why they failed to Boleh big time. From the early years of Malaysia, even Prime minister Mahathir doubted Malay people’s ability at the beginning, he used Malaysian Boleh at the beginning to encourage Malay people’s confidence that they can do whatever the other countries, other nations, other races can do. In the process of this great social changes, Chinese descendants in Malaysian have learnt to restrained themselves to let the Malay people Boleh. This biological fingerprint or bio marker has been inserted into their genes.

The biggest Malaysian Boleh in badminton is still Hafiz’s all England champion. There is no wonder now, Hafiz is a native Malay only who can Boleh.

For LCW, WCH, KKK, TBH,…, the top players from Malaysian, but Chinese descendants. Their badminton levels have already reached the best in the world, but they have to open their human nature before grab any world champions. Even teenager girls know that, only bad guys who dare to be bad, can get the most beautiful girls.

But unfortunately, Malaysia’s discriminating law will not change soon, or will never change. Malaysia Chinese knew they were different when they were born. They were taught to avoid confrontation with others. Can we imagine Lee CW suddenly becoming arrogant, wild, reckless…? If Lee CW happens to read this article of mine, he could probably win this world champion.

[koo_fan]

Hey, it is a new thread now, removed from the other thread or what?

Hye 2cents. It’s pretty interesting – Your theory on how Malaysia’s ‘discriminating’ law had influenced Malaysians. I say Malaysians, because Chinese or Indian or Malay, you are a Malaysian. Pretty interesting,yes. Though i have disagreed on some points, I respect your post, it is exclusively yours.
Malaysian Badminton Players (Chinese) are humble, modest and shy. That’s how you put it. LCW, for example, does not have ‘behaviour’. Would you like to compare him with KKK? Isn’t kkk a Chinese? Two different characters, no? So, basically, i don’t understand how it is relevant to put the argument of different of races here to justify the behaviour of an athlete.
By the way, how is the law discriminating is a very very subjective discussion. You may want to study it first before giving any remarks.
Be a champion 101 is totally depend on individual’s capabilities. Mirnawan Nawawi (Malay) was once a top 11 hockey Player worldwide. Nicol David ( Chinese + Indian) is an influential Women Squash player. Lee Chong Wei and friends, are absolutely our precious players now. But once, we also had Sidek family. Sidek or LCW = They are Malaysians. Malaysia Boleh is not exclusive. As long as you are Malaysian, you are entitled to use that.
As a team, Malaysia has to be stronger ( yes, we are a strong team. positive!) to be able to defeat other teams. The Olympic medal and WC title was never ours before, and the wrongdoers are the coach (Misbun=malay), the player ( LCW=Chinese). It is the whole team to put the blame on.

[cooler]

But what is champion character? Look at Lin Dan, Taufik…, a champion has to be arrogant, a champion has to be impatient, a champion has to be wild, has to be reckless; a champion has to be able to release his passion, his energy at maximum as he wants to.


I don't have the answer to your (MAS) dilemma but please don't stereotyping champion players with must have characters as arrogant, impatient, wild and reckless. There are endless list of champion quality players who are quite the opposite to your stereotyped catergory. These example players are the four kings, morten frost, zhang ning, susi susanti, camilla martin, dave freeman, and on and on.....and this is just on Singles players.

[2cents]

thanks kkk fan for your comments.

You might have thought Mirnawan Nawawi (once ranked 11th), Nicol David, Sidek and Lee CW are heros already. But Gold and Silver are a little difference in color, just 1 in ranking, but totally different according to winning or losing. There is only 1 winner, and Malaysia failed to product such a winner ever in any area, period.

"Malaysian Boleh" sounds strong, but to me, it sounds miserable. For any normal or capable people, we never say "yes, you can". We only encourage people with disabilities with the slogan "Yes, you can do it", which implies that in fact, it's beyond your ability.

Of course, all Malaysian can use Malaysian Boleh. But the reason it's so hot, so popular, is, as implied in Mahathir's book, that Malay people were afraid they were not as capable as Chinese. It is a great slogan until Malaysia becomes strong.

If you say the same thing "Lin Dan, you can do it" to Lin Dan, it will be meaningless. Lin Dan has been there done that many times.

Of course you can say "Malaysian Boleh" to Lee CW as long as he's Malaysian. But I doubt he needs it; I doubt it will have any real effect even if thousands of people say it thousands of times to LCW. For me, saying Malaysian Boleh, is just to remind LCW that "you were born inferior"

LCW has to overcome his own psychological barrier, no body else can help him, even the Malay guy Misbun.

[2cents]

I don't have the answer to your (MAS) dilemma but please don't stereotyping champion players with must have characters as arrogant, impatient, wild and reckless. There are endless list of champion quality players who are quite the opposite to your stereotyped catergory. These example players are the four kings, morten frost, zhang ning, susi susanti, camilla martin, dave freeman, and on and on.....and this is just on Singles players.

you mis-understood. :rolleyes:

my point was not to stereotype champion at all.

the key point here is all the champions know how to utilize their passion and energy to the maximum level and help them to win. Even Monica Seles knew how to groan. But those Chinese descendants in Malaysia lost that basic ability, unfortunately.

[chris-ccc]

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Totally disagree with the OP.

Malaysia has some of the greatest Badminton World Champions in the past. Just go back to the 1950's and 1960's.

Currently, Malaysian players are still holding top ranking positions in the world. It's not a shame for Malaysia to have no winners in AE, OG, WC, etc... currently. This is because the other 4 top Badminton nations, namely; China, Indonesia, Korea and Denmark, also have top players.

Yes. if we divide the winners of AE, OG, WC, etc... by the top 5 Badminton nations, Malaysia is still trying to win one. But don't be surprised to find a shift in favour of Malaysians winning some in the next few years.

Malaysia is still a great force in Badminton worldwide.
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[2cents]

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Totally disagree with the OP.

Malaysia has some of the greatest Badminton World Champions in the past. Just go back to the 1950's and 1960's.

Currently, Malaysian players are still holding top ranking positions in the world. It's not a shame for Malaysia to have no winners in AE, OG, WC, etc... currently. This is because the other 4 top Badminton nations, namely; China, Indonesia, Korea and Denmark, also have top players.

Yes. if we divide the winners of AE, OG, WC, etc... by the top 5 Badminton nations, Malaysia is still trying to win one. But don't be surprised to find a shift in favour of Malaysians winning some in the next few years.

Malaysia is still a great force in Badminton worldwide.
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sure, the 1st sentense I wrote in my original post was "Malaysia is definitely a badminton power house"

but in counting producing world champions, even Li Yong Bo claimed he's trained (or almost trained) 100 world champions, but Malaysia has none. Is it weird for a power house without any world champion.

You are right, Malaysia had producted quite a few great stars in early 50s, but that's the key point of mine too, that time, there is no "Malaysia Boleh" yet. Chinese in Malaysia that time, like Eddy Choong, David Choong, were definetely confident and fearless.

[2cents]

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Currently, Malaysian players are still holding top ranking positions in the world. It's not a shame for Malaysia to have no winners in AE, OG, WC, etc... currently. This is because the other 4 top Badminton nations, namely; China, Indonesia, Korea and Denmark, also have top players.

Malaysia is still a great force in Badminton worldwide.
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I said that too. Lee CW and other Chinese descendants players were very talented and hardworking, therefore, they can even occupy wr #1 for quite long time, But winning something big needs something else beyond talents and hardworking, that's fearless courage which is a common problem for LCWs

I saw some that fearless courage when KKK/TBH had 2 years ago. But it's soon extinguished under Malaysia culture and social pressure. I have warned very early that time that Rexy could ruin the pair, but nobody listened.

KKK/TBH are still good, their level of playing might be better, but the most important thing has disappeared, that's the passion, that's the energy, that's the fearless courage, that's the confidence of winning, are gone... These small change results in nothing but winner or loser in the final.

[ctjcad]

..for some reason, this thread is missing that voice....the voice of Pemuda..:cool:

anyway...

...confident and fearless.
..i think LCW needs more of those 2 attitudes than being a "bad, impatient, reckless, wild, arrogant boy" if he ever wants to win the big, major titles (KKK & TBH displayed those with their AE title)...However, it seems there's always LD ahead or one step in front of him..

It always comes down to what's going on "mentally"..

[Maximum]

or is it because of malaysian players are too protected by the government??? government gives them watever they need, pay them alot of money when they win something big... the government is very protective of the players... and the talent pool in malaysia is very small n limited so the top players can stay as a top players in the country comfortably.. whereas in china, the talent pool is so wide that a player must work n train really hard in order to keep their places in the first line... or else, some other juniors will overtake them...
yes, attitude is a very important key to success but m'sia gov seems not realistic... they think they can support them with watever needs the player wants n the players will win n bring honour back but they didnt realise they hav put so much of pressure to the mentally weak malaysian player...

[limsy]

or is it because of malaysian players are too protected by the government??? government gives them watever they need, pay them alot of money when they win something big... the government is very protective of the players... and the talent pool in malaysia is very small n limited so the top players can stay as a top players in the country comfortably.. whereas in china, the talent pool is so wide that a player must work n train really hard in order to keep their places in the first line... or else, some other juniors will overtake them...
yes, attitude is a very important key to success but m'sia gov seems not realistic... they think they can support them with watever needs the player wants n the players will win n bring honour back but they didnt realise they hav put so much of pressure to the mentally weak malaysian player...

haha,too protected?
do u know how much talent had leave bjss and bam just because of the bjss and bam policy and attitude?:rolleyes:

[aswad]

i think u can critic more on the sports (badminton) rather than political talking....i would not like to call you "history blind" for not knowing who's the person that are responsible and hardwork to achieve this "Malaysia", who's are the natives people and who's imigrant? What is social contract?, and why Tunku give this kind of agrement to others...now we live in a peace country without any radical demonstrations with blood spills on the road. Be profesional with your comments rather than it's sounds politic.If you are not a Malaysian than it is okay for me....but if you are Malaysian-stop talking nonsense and take a deep breath..thinking about all of those fighting to get this Malaysia. Again...profesionals with ur comments and only comments about badminton or else find another side such as political view side to write ur comments.

thank you

[Liz Leong]

..for some reason, this thread is missing that voice....the voice of Pemuda..:cool:


Who is Pemuda?? I see his name popping out now and then. Is he a good guy/gal? :o

[ctjcad]

..i will let koo_fan, george@chongwei, limsy, eaglehelang, hcyong, wilfredlgf, pjswift, drifit, Dato Asbullah, bananakid, cooler, OneToughBirdie answer that..:cool:

All i can say is: He was a fun fella. BC was never the same before he came and is never the same since he left/got banned..:p

[Liz Leong]

..i will let koo_fan, george@chongwei, limsy, eaglehelang, hcyong, wilfredlgf, pjswift, drifit, Dato Asbullah, bananakid, cooler, OneToughBirdie answer that..:cool:

All i can say is: He was a fun fella. BC was never the same before he came and is never the same since he left/got banned..:p

Banned :eek:! Eiks ... I just did some searching of old topics and I must admit Pemuda statements made a lot of sense. Though I hate to admit it as I am a Malaysian, I must say he/she spoke the truth. And he/she was pretty direct about it.

[ctjcad]

..forgot abt another very important fella to ask, in the mix : The all-knowing X Ball...;)

Yeah, a lot of people have been affected with his presence. But i guess the way he carried himself in the forum might've ruffled a bit too much feather, thus the ban...
Well, let's hope a transformed Pemuda will surface again, most likely under a different username, after the WC...

[jasonmarc]

..forgot abt another very important fella to ask, in the mix : The all-knowing X Ball...;)

Yeah, a lot of people have been affected with his presence. But i guess the way he carried himself in the forum might've ruffled a bit too much feather, thus the ban...
Well, let's hope a transformed Pemuda will surface again, most likely under a different username, after the WC...


Yes, positive, he will...especially when if Mas fail to deliver agian ! :D:D

[jug8man]

So what makes a World champion / top world class badminton athlete?????

is it one or a combination of the following:-

pure gifted talent & ability above his / her fellow peers & competitors?

result of a sport regime power house?

Individual / national inheritary supremacy & right due to a counrty's history of badminton?

A natural occurance due to the population of obsessed badminton playing citizens?

Profesionalism attitude of the individual towards badminton as an international athletic sport, rather than as a 'game'


Personaly, i don't think any single factor can guarantee a top class badminton athlete. Even more so i do not agree with our general malaysian perception that we are a great badminton nation because we are deservingly so.

On the context of why we are not the 'best' as so it appears at the moment, is obvious that another / some other nation is doing something better than us. Things however don't always remain the same so we will just have to see where things goes the years to come

[eaglehelang]

"Malaysian Boleh" sounds strong, but to me, it sounds miserable. For any normal or capable people, we never say "yes, you can". We only encourage people with disabilities with the slogan "Yes, you can do it", which implies that in fact, it's beyond your ability.

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In the 1st place, I never liked that slogan. Now with Dr M not being PM, it's used less ;). Anyway, it's not abt the slogans, I dont use the Malaysia Boleh & dont care for it at all.

As for the other parts abt "chinese descendents", well, it can go into some sensitive issues, including politics, if we were to discuss .... in depth.:cool:

One example of those who made it, non baddy of course, is Nicol David, she trains overseas. If squash is OG sport, Msia would have won the gold long time ago. For badminton, it just needs one to break the mentality/barrier or whatever one wants to call it.:)

[eaglehelang]

..i will let koo_fan, george@chongwei, limsy, eaglehelang, hcyong, wilfredlgf, pjswift, drifit, Dato Asbullah, bananakid, cooler, OneToughBirdie answer that..:cool:

All i can say is: He was a fun fella. BC was never the same before he came and is never the same since he left/got banned..:p
You missed him too much is it? :p People want to have some peace & quiet also cannot.


or is it because of malaysian players are too protected by the government??? government gives them watever they need, pay them alot of money when they win something big... the government is very protective of the players...

RFLOL, too protective? No lah, they want results, results or it's bash2 - very obvious. Just maybe now the new Sports Minister is a more low profile guy& the NSC Director was on medical leave from heart operation, so make less noise. There's also the issue of politics ;)

[Athelete1234]

I just find LCW and TBH too shy and sometimes passive in their play. KKK, he sometimes messes up, but when he has the confidence going, he makes miracles.

[george@chongwei]

Who is Pemuda?? I see his name popping out now and then. Is he a good guy/gal? :o
Who is pemuda? hmm, i'm sure u surely dont wanna know him for God's sake:D:p

and yeah, he is really a good boy.:rolleyes:

[george@chongwei]

I just find LCW and TBH too shy and sometimes passive in their play. KKK, he sometimes messes up, but when he has the confidence going, he makes miracles.
too shy and passive? No No..you are wrong. They are just being 'generous' to their opponent of course..and of course based on cooler's theory too,:D:p

[george@chongwei]

I expect that banana guy to come out from his banana hole again to conquer bc and this thread after the wc if mas players failed...;) :rolleyes:
as usual..mr banana routine:D

[ctjcad]

You missed him too much is it? :p People want to have some peace & quiet also cannot.
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..BC has never been the same, has it??..;)

[george@chongwei]

..BC has never been the same, has it??..;)
But the most important thing is whether many peoples here are actually 'missing' him?;)

[eaglehelang]

..BC has never been the same, has it??..;)

For the better, at least I can have some peace & quiet. :p

[drifit]

It always comes down to what's going on "mentally"..
eager to start and show the tiger's teeth. then, not able to push over the limit. talk loud but ........ :o
but some do talk a lot but did not do what they have been assigned for...:(

..i will let koo_fan, george@chongwei, limsy, eaglehelang, hcyong, wilfredlgf, pjswift, drifit, Dato Asbullah, bananakid, cooler, OneToughBirdie answer that..:cool:

All i can say is: He was a fun fella. BC was never the same before he came and is never the same since he left/got banned..:p
what can i say?
the truth is always or will hurt one's feeling.

Well, let's hope a transformed Pemuda will surface again, most likely under a different username, after the WC...
then, there is nothing much to talk about. one story, Lee Chong Wei is the best player. err.... he is world number ONE. Lin Dan is no where near him yet. ;)

[volcom]

I miss Pemuda's very truthful and insightful posts ><

[Dato A]

Who is pemuda? hmm, i'm sure u surely dont wanna know him for God's sake:D:p

and yeah, he is really a good boy.:rolleyes:

I am sure your life will be a bit bored without Pemuda...:p

[Dato A]

Let us have some past results of MAS on the major championships (i.e. World Championship, All England, Thomas Cup, Sudirman Cup & Olympic Games) in badminton sports.

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

WINNER - 0
** CHINA 40, INDONESIA 18

Players with big name such as Misbun Sidek, Rashid Sidek, Foo Kok Keong, Yong Hock Kin, Ong Ewe Hock, Datuk Lee Chong Wei, Hafiz Hashim, Roslin Hashim, Jailani Sidek/ Razif Sidek, Cheah Soon Kit/ Soo Beng Kiang/, Yap Kim Hock/ Tan Kim Her, Chung Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah, Koo Kien Keat/ Tan Boon Heong did not ever won the World Championship before.

ALL ENGLAND

MEN'S SINGLE
WINNER - 10 (1949,1951,1952,1953,1954,1955,1956,1957,1966,2003 )
** CHINA 13, INDONESIA 15.

Wong Peng Soon, Eddy Choong, Tan Aik Huang, Hafiz Hashim amongst the winner. Other players 0.

MEN'S DOUBLES
WINNER - 11 (1949,1951,1952,1953,1954,1959,1965,1966,1971,1982 ,2007)
** CHINA 4, INDONESIA 15.

Ooi Teck Hock, Teoh Seng Khoon, David Ewe Choong, Eddy Choong, Ong Poh Lim, Lim Say Hup, Teh Kew San, Ng Boon Bee, Tan Yee Khan, Punch Gunalan, Razif Sidek, Jalaini Sidek, Koo Kien Keat, Tan Boon Heong amongst the winner. Other players 0.

THOMAS CUP

WINNNER - 5 (1949,1952,1955,1967,1992)
** CHINA 7, INDONESIA 13.

SUDIRMAN CUP

WINNER - 0
** CHINA 7, INDONESIA 1.

OLYMPIC GAMES

WINNER - 0
** CHINA 11, INDONESIA 6.

Malaysia is a powerhouse in badminton?? If yes, where is our World Champion? Where is our Olympic Gold Medallist?

It is very lucky to represent Mas in Badminton sports. If you are doing good, you will get more than what you deserves:-

-1992 Thomas Cup Team - hefty rewards in terms of money and properties, making EACH player become instant Millionaire.
- Hafiz Hashim in winning the 2003 AE Champion - hefty rewards.
- Lee Chong Wei conferred with the title of 'Datuk' after 'successfully' won the silver medallist in Olympic Games 2008 + RM300,000.00 from government.

And if you are in non-performance situation, you will be given chances and chances:-

- Mohd. Hafiz Hashim still the No.2 Men's single player in MAS although his lousy performance since 2003, after he had won the AE Title.

- Kuan Beng Hong still in the National 1st team.

- Koo Kien Keat/ Tan Boon Heong. (No need the further discuss here, can refer the story under the thread ' KKK/TBH in comeback trail')

Government will still funding BAM. BAM will still hire best coach. Just like Chelsea, only manager will get sacked if the team is not performing/under-expectation. And no players will be held responsible on it.

So, whose fault, after spending alot of money in the sport and the return is far from expected?

[cooler]

HH was hefty rewarded for his 2003 AE title, I am puzzled why this boy has no drive after this one time wonder. If not money, fame nor glory, what would motivate this boy?:D he sure has physical attributes to be a very top MS player.

[ctjcad]

For the better, at least I can have some peace & quiet. :p
..is it really peaceful & quieter in this forum??..*scratches head*:confused:

Good recap, Dato Asbullah..M'sia might not have lived up to the WC & Olympics Gold aspirations, but at the very least they've got some AE, SC & TC titles in the cabinet..:cool:

[Ajaib]

..is it really peaceful & quieter in this forum??..*scratches head*:confused:

Good recap, Dato Asbullah..M'sia might not have lived up to the WC & Olympics Gold aspirations, but at the very least they've got some AE, SC & TC titles in the cabinet..:cool:
SC ????? i think it still hard for them to grab it....

[Dato A]

..is it really peaceful & quieter in this forum??..*scratches head*:confused:

Good recap, Dato Asbullah..M'sia might not have lived up to the WC & Olympics Gold aspirations, but at the very least they've got some AE, SC & TC titles in the cabinet..:cool:

What have MAS won ''recently''?

MAS won the AE title in 2003 (HH) & 2007 (KKK/TBH).

MAS won the Thomas Cup in 1992.

Other than that, we have to rewind back 50++years ago........

[Dato A]

SC ????? i think it still hard for them to grab it....

MAS have 2 worlds no. 1 - DLCW, CEH/WPT. And another elite pair - KKK/TBH. So theoretically, yes, MAS is able to win the SC. But practically......MAS need miracles.

[ctjcad]

SC ????? i think it still hard for them to grab it....
..yes, a typo on my part...Thank you for actually reading it carefully!:cool:

What have MAS won ''recently''?

MAS won the AE title in 2003 (HH) & 2007 (KKK/TBH).

MAS won the Thomas Cup in 1992.

Other than that, we have to rewind back 50++years ago........
..yes, no major title for MAS to show for since 2007. We all can see that..:cool:

[george@chongwei]

I am sure your life will be a bit bored without Pemuda...:p
are you talking about you yourselves?:D

What have MAS won ''recently''?

MAS won the AE title in 2003 (HH) & 2007 (KKK/TBH).

MAS won the Thomas Cup in 1992.

Other than that, we have to rewind back 50++years ago........
I can see that MAS actually have won nothing 'recently' ..But i hope the new and the latest will be commence shortly..another 1 more week to go..

MAS have 2 worlds no. 1 - DLCW, CEH/WPT. And another elite pair - KKK/TBH. So theoretically, yes, MAS is able to win the SC. But practically......MAS need miracles.
yeah, so pray hard for mas in this year wc then..;)

[pajrul]

i would like to think that Malaysia is on the resurgence since we last won our thomas cup.. we have more and better players..... .our youngsters are. at least promising somewhat...

the new guard......
there is one hope in julia wong and perhaps lydia cheah
there might be hope in 1 or 2 up and coming youngsters
there is a handful of mens doubles to look forward to
mix doubles and womens doubles.. maybe not yet

compare this to the rather gloomy years of post thomas cup win.. that last one

i am an optimist

i think the original poster's theory on politics and race is bunch of bs... and is disrespectful to all those excellent malaysian badminton champions of yesteryear

regards
manlat

[gemini12]

i would like to think that Malaysia is on the resurgence since we last won our thomas cup.. we have more and better players..... .our youngsters are. at least promising somewhat...

the new guard......
there is one hope in julia wong and perhaps lydia cheah
there might be hope in 1 or 2 up and coming youngsters
there is a handful of mens doubles to look forward to
mix doubles and womens doubles.. maybe not yet

compare this to the rather gloomy years of post thomas cup win.. that last one

i am an optimist

i think the original poster's theory on politics and race is bunch of bs... and is disrespectful to all those excellent malaysian badminton champions of yesteryear

regards
manlat


I think u are right. The Malaysian Badminton got good back up especially in the MD,WD and WS,

We are more optimistic than the last 5/6 years ago. All we do now is just GROOM them well.

[eaglehelang]

quote=ctjcad;1222873]..is it really peaceful & quieter in this forum??..*scratches head*:confused:

:cool:[/quote]

Oh yes, much more peaceful. ;) Debates & 'long posts' are more for real life situations. Debating online doesnt make much difference in actual scheme of things anyway, just good for practice , that's 1 reason this thread's just 3 pages.:p:p
Less postings of press articles or other info, lest certain people complain why so many posts .

[jug8man]

honestly speaking.... for a country that treats sports semi-pro like Malaysia does.... I do think we are doing pretty okay in th badminton department.

what's the fuss?

[Dato A]

honestly speaking.... for a country that treats sports semi-pro like Malaysia does.... I do think we are doing pretty okay in th badminton department.

what's the fuss?

How does MAS treat sports semi-pro, especially badminton sports?

[jug8man]

How does MAS treat sports semi-pro, especially badminton sports?

I'm sure we can surely consider our nation set up on sports not as 'commited' as countries such as indonesia and china and even countries such as denmark. These countries have different forms of set up from each other, but nevertheless they have somethings our that i can not imagine Malaysia having.

China & Indonesia have players (as is really many) fully involved in badminton from a super young age as compared to Malaysia. How many 13/14 year old Malaysians do you know whom fully commit themselves to badminton?

Denmark & Indonesia both are 'Badminton Club' superhouses. Do you see any trully organized interclub league matches going on in Malaysia. KLRC being the main exception, do you see any Malaysian club actively sending their players to international events? There may be a few, but nothing the man on the street would even be anywhere aware off.

These 'inter club leauge matches' are not some shoddy tournaments set up to promote some new product or give a YB some good press. If you go to countries like Germany, you will observe that they treat these leagues as proffesionally as they treat their football counterparts. Did you know clubs like Bayern Munich & etc have badminton teams as well?

Lets look at our national players. They are pretty much govermont funded. So they do not get the 'professional player' experience of their counterparts from say denmark, europe & etc feel. They are almost assured of going to tournaments and salary slips at the end of each month. professional? not exactly.

I'm sure some of our players are 'active-business man'.

doing business for extra income is sure fine, but sometimes we wonder if badminton eventually takes the back seat. Then instead of calling them 'badminton players doing part time business'.... they become 'business man doing part time badminton'.

Semi-pro??? Yes I think our nations set up can generally be called that. But we are doing OK! no?

[ctjcad]

...Debating online doesnt make much difference in actual scheme of things anyway, just good for practice , that's 1 reason this thread's just 3 pages.:p:p
...
..don't you think one of the main reasons this thread only generates only 3 pages is because the absence of Pemuda??..
Did you see the "damage" he generated to the KKK & TBH's 2 threads??..:rolleyes:;)

[eaglehelang]

..don't you think one of the main reasons this thread only generates only 3 pages is because the absence of Pemuda??..
Did you see the "damage" he generated to the KKK & TBH's 2 threads??..:rolleyes:;)

That's why lor I said, now much more peaceful.;):p:p

[Liz Leong]

Who is pemuda? hmm, i'm sure u surely dont wanna know him for God's sake:D:p

and yeah, he is really a good boy.:rolleyes:

george, i m neutral here but i can see by looking at some threads, you have some history with Pemuda. As a malaysian myself, I have to say that Pemuda's comments made sense and are factual. I think his only fault is the way he presented his facts/arguments.

[Liz Leong]

quote=ctjcad;1222873]..is it really peaceful & quieter in this forum??..*scratches head*:confused:

:cool:

Oh yes, much more peaceful. ;) Debates & 'long posts' are more for real life situations. Debating online doesnt make much difference in actual scheme of things anyway, just good for practice , that's 1 reason this thread's just 3 pages.:p:p
Less postings of press articles or other info, lest certain people complain why so many posts .[/quote]

But if the postings are facts, we cannot ignore. Sometimes we as fans are blinded with our unconditional support that we cant accept reality.

With LCW beaten last night, I guess En Pemuda must have had the last laugh as he was proven right again :mad::cool:

After last night, I m starting to agree with him about our players. It is a pity when he was here, it was like the whole world vs Pemuda alone.

I hope now that our doubles players will deliver tonight or else it is going to be more painful, having Pemuda proven 100% correct. :cool:

[chris-ccc]

honestly speaking.... for a country that treats sports semi-pro like Malaysia does....
I do think we are doing pretty okay in the badminton department.

what's the fuss?



.
This is very true.

Although MAS is still in the Top 5 best Badminton playing nations, CHN is way, way ahead from the rest of the Top 5.

So, if Malaysia is to "Boleh"; much work is required by BAM to get MAS to overtake CHN. It's not an impossible task, but it could take years to achieve.

At the same time, DEN, INA, KOR, and many nations are trying to do the same to improve.

So "What's the fuss?"...
Currently, we have to congratulate CHN for maintaining their top position. :):):)
.

[ctjcad]

...
With LCW beaten last night, I guess En Pemuda must have had the last laugh as he was proven right again :mad::cool:
...
I hope now that our doubles players will deliver tonight or else it is going to be more painful, having Pemuda proven 100% correct. :cool:
..if Pemuda is reading this forum, he's probably smiling. He will laugh + be 100% right should either of the MAS MD pairs fail to win the MD title..

[jug8man]

.
This is very true.

Although MAS is still in the Top 5 best Badminton playing nations, CHN is way, way ahead from the rest of the Top 5.

So, if Malaysia is to "Boleh"; much work is required by BAM to get MAS to overtake CHN. It's not an impossible task, but it could take years to achieve.

At the same time, DEN, INA, KOR, and many nations are trying to do the same to improve.

So "What's the fuss?"...
Currently, we have to congratulate CHN for maintaining their top position. :):):)
.

I agree. The point I'm trying to make is that in the context of Government involvement on improving Badminton level.... Malaysia will not be able to trully overcome China which has a trully fully deeply regimented structure to do so.

It is in their country's culture that Malaysia nor a country like Australia can replicate. I shant go into details.

What we can hope for are for Govt efforts to be complimented by highly professional, capable & commited badminton athletes. But even if do or have such players, that success is still never guaranteed and such we must not fault our country nor our athletes.

Lee Chong Wei, with yesterdays defeat is the best example. Extremely dedicated & professional, but carrying the burden & expectation of the entire nation... Already the newspapers are writing negative press.

So Kiasu. Should we not further encourage his valiant efforts? In the end... it is our Malaysian general public mentality which needs changing. Been said before long time ago... 1st class facility but still 3rd class mentality

[george@chongwei]

watch the md semi final again and u will know why malaysia keep failing to boleh:mad:

[2cents]

Once again, the latest WC just proved what I said in my original post. LCW, KKK/TBH, Mohds..., anyone of them could win technically, but they cann't back to reality. They can even approach the victory Infinitesimal, but just cannot get it. It's not the player's fault, it's a culture thing, indeed.

[pralinescream]

lee chong wei is never a good player. it is just unrealistic expectatns by the forever wishful malaysians that he is some sort of a decent player.
always a step behind lin dan, chen jin, bao chunlai, taufik, sony, peter gade etc.
it's just that only revently when ppl like taufik and peter gade grow old, he can beat them.

indeed, i've always said that there is no meritocracy in malaysia. u have to be connected to somebody to actually stand a chance in any field.
fact is, good old malangsial land is still a fiefdom.

therefore how can our badminton or any other sportsman (xcept freak hybrids like nicol david) xcel on the world stage? the best talents from malaysia is not competing and that's why we had never world/olympic champion and never will be.

[jug8man]

rofl. what have you done with your life? Achieved something great? How do you go about bashing someone who attempts and has achieved a lot such as LCW & even calling Nicol David a freak hybrid.

You are saying that the best talents from Malaysia are not competing??? Are you so sure of 'these best talents', those whom did not even dare to walk down the path that Lee Chong Wei & Nicol took???? If you know any of them.... these ppl whom claim they are better, these are the ppl who quit before they even tried. In Malaysia we call them 'Lawyer Buruk' (empty vessel makes loudest noise)

[phaarix]

lee chong wei is never a good player. it is just unrealistic expectatns by the forever wishful malaysians that he is some sort of a decent player.
always a step behind lin dan, chen jin, bao chunlai, taufik, sony, peter gade etc.
it's just that only revently when ppl like taufik and peter gade grow old, he can beat them.

indeed, i've always said that there is no meritocracy in malaysia. u have to be connected to somebody to actually stand a chance in any field.
fact is, good old malangsial land is still a fiefdom.

therefore how can our badminton or any other sportsman (xcept freak hybrids like nicol david) xcel on the world stage? the best talents from malaysia is not competing and that's why we had never world/olympic champion and never will be.

What a joke world badminton must be if someone who isn't even "good" has won so many titles and made it to number one on the world rankings. Come on don't be ridiculous. He may not be THE best, but he is well up there.

[george@chongwei]

Once again, the latest WC just proved what I said in my original post. LCW, KKK/TBH, Mohds..., anyone of them could win technically, but they cann't back to reality. They can even approach the victory Infinitesimal, but just cannot get it. It's not the player's fault, it's a culture thing, indeed.
so in which aspect do you think malaysia badminton need to improve after this?:confused:

lee chong wei is never a good player. it is just unrealistic expectatns by the forever wishful malaysians that he is some sort of a decent player.
always a step behind lin dan, chen jin, bao chunlai, taufik, sony, peter gade etc.
it's just that only revently when ppl like taufik and peter gade grow old, he can beat them.

indeed, i've always said that there is no meritocracy in malaysia. u have to be connected to somebody to actually stand a chance in any field.
fact is, good old malangsial land is still a fiefdom.

therefore how can our badminton or any other sportsman (xcept freak hybrids like nicol david) xcel on the world stage? the best talents from malaysia is not competing and that's why we had never world/olympic champion and never will be.
So it seems like lee chong wei is not a good player to you, maybe i think u could be better than LCW the world number 1 currently..let me ask u something, can u play as good as him in badminton? stop bashing and please show me how great are you?

What a joke world badminton must be if someone who isn't even "good" has won so many titles and made it to number one on the world rankings. Come on don't be ridiculous. He may not be THE best, but he is well up there.
dont bother him/her..i think he/she is an anti-malaysia person, just by looking at the post, u can already figure it out..;)

[kwun]

watch the md semi final again and u will know why malaysia keep failing to boleh:mad:

last night before the semi-final started and before i went to bed, i looked at the semifinal lineup and i honestly thought that maybe this year MAS will be able to bag a MD Champion. afterall, Fu/Cai is never comfortable against any MAS players, and with 2 chances at the Koreans, no one can deny that the chances are high. and perhaps it will give our MAS fans a reason to celebrate a win that has eluded the nation for decades.

but this morning after i woke up, i cannot but sigh when i look at the results. both matches lost with the thinnest of margins. both deuce, both lost. it was not to be.

[weeyeh]

watch the md semi final again and u will know why malaysia keep failing to boleh:mad:

I followed the match very closely. Both sides had their share of errors and TBH was totally explosive. KKK is up to his usual mischief but that works probably 50-50. JJS wasn't quite into the match and LYD was probably licking his wound from his earlier XD defeat.

Overall, I was very impressed with KKK/TBH's attacking formation especially how they managed to rotate into their preferred setup in many cases. JJS/LYD had quite a lot of trouble with that.

It was close enough IMHO.

[Dato A]

lee chong wei is never a good player. it is just unrealistic expectatns by the forever wishful malaysians that he is some sort of a decent player.
always a step behind lin dan, chen jin, bao chunlai, taufik, sony, peter gade etc.
it's just that only revently when ppl like taufik and peter gade grow old, he can beat them.

indeed, i've always said that there is no meritocracy in malaysia. u have to be connected to somebody to actually stand a chance in any field.
fact is, good old malangsial land is still a fiefdom.

therefore how can our badminton or any other sportsman (xcept freak hybrids like nicol david) xcel on the world stage? the best talents from malaysia is not competing and that's why we had never world/olympic champion and never will be.

Although DLCW did not able to win any major championships, but his achievements so far was great and fascinating as a professional badminton player representing Mas. I think no one, especially malaysians will deny his effort and hardwork contributed by him to our beloved country, Malaysia.

You words put on him, Datuk Nicole David, and Malaysia is totally, in my own opinion, RUDE and ILLITERACY.:rolleyes:

[eaglehelang]

You words put on him, Datuk Nicole David, and Malaysia is totally, in my own opinion, RUDE and ILLITERACY.:rolleyes:

<clap><clap> thanks Dato & the others, you all have said it. Some more that person call Nicol David freak hybrid, tsk tsk. Then our Women's Bowling Team who won Bowling World Champs in 2007 (+ many other titles) is what? If squash & bowling are OG sports........:cool:

[eaglehelang]

Once again, the latest WC just proved what I said in my original post. LCW, KKK/TBH, Mohds..., anyone of them could win technically, but they cann't back to reality. They can even approach the victory Infinitesimal, but just cannot get it. It's not the player's fault, it's a culture thing, indeed.

Rexy also frust (The Star intv), he said both pairs fight very hard but dunno why Msian players cannot make it. The 'culture' baffled him.;)

[pralinescream]

dis is exactly de problem with malaysians generally.
they feel hurt n their pride dented very easily.
after that, they will draw out de small dagger, soak it in red and wave angrily.

lcw badminton skills cannot compare to mine.playing badminton is his full-time job not me. instead if compare to fellow pros from other countries, den he is very ordinary.
tournaments dat he won bcos others dun really care abt it. like french open (if in roland garros, den sumthg-lar).

anyway, de reason why nicol david is hybrid freak? not meant to hurt or rude actually.
hybrid bcos her father is indian and the mummy is nyonya.
freak bcos m'sia cannot produce outstanding sportsman/woman, and she really is a freak, one of a kind.

so malaysians, stop being so uptight.
think think think!!!

[jug8man]

Quality of the bait (debates) has really gone down the river since the Youngster (Pemuda) exited the discussion (forum).... resulting in most participants (members) failing to catch the fish (idea)

[eaglehelang]

Quality of the bait (debates) has really gone down the river since the Youngster (Pemuda) exited the discussion (forum).... resulting in most participants (members) failing to catch the fish (idea)

LOL, esp since someone does not understand that calling someone 'freak' is an insult. Michael Jackson was called a freak, and it was meant as an.... insult(and widely known as insult), in the land of freedom of speech. ;)

[OneToughBirdie]

Although DLCW did not able to win any major championships, but his achievements so far was great and fascinating as a professional badminton player representing Mas. I think no one, especially malaysians will deny his effort and hardwork contributed by him to our beloved country, Malaysia.

You words put on him, Datuk Nicole David, and Malaysia is totally, in my own opinion, RUDE and ILLITERACY.:rolleyes:

Well said Dato...but you know you can't stop people mouthing under the protection of a computer screen , that is the easy thing to do, and I do have words for such people which I keep silent to myself. Talk tough then walk tough, at least then people can respect you. Don't hide and run.

[limsy]

lee chong wei is never a good player. it is just unrealistic expectatns by the forever wishful malaysians that he is some sort of a decent player.
always a step behind lin dan, chen jin, bao chunlai, taufik, sony, peter gade etc.
it's just that only revently when ppl like taufik and peter gade grow old, he can beat them.

indeed, i've always said that there is no meritocracy in malaysia. u have to be connected to somebody to actually stand a chance in any field.
fact is, good old malangsial land is still a fiefdom.

therefore how can our badminton or any other sportsman (xcept freak hybrids like nicol david) xcel on the world stage? the best talents from malaysia is not competing and that's why we had never world/olympic champion and never will be.


last night before the semi-final started and before i went to bed, i looked at the semifinal lineup and i honestly thought that maybe this year MAS will be able to bag a MD Champion. afterall, Fu/Cai is never comfortable against any MAS players, and with 2 chances at the Koreans, no one can deny that the chances are high. and perhaps it will give our MAS fans a reason to celebrate a win that has eluded the nation for decades.

but this morning after i woke up, i cannot but sigh when i look at the results. both matches lost with the thinnest of margins. both deuce, both lost. it was not to be.

that is a heart break for many,but i had accept it with open heart.
we know they have the ability,but that didnt convert into result.
i believe rexy is frustrated with them too:(


dis is exactly de problem with malaysians generally.
they feel hurt n their pride dented very easily.
after that, they will draw out de small dagger, soak it in red and wave angrily.

lcw badminton skills cannot compare to mine.playing badminton is his full-time job not me. instead if compare to fellow pros from other countries, den he is very ordinary.
tournaments dat he won bcos others dun really care abt it. like french open (if in roland garros, den sumthg-lar).

anyway, de reason why nicol david is hybrid freak? not meant to hurt or rude actually.
hybrid bcos her father is indian and the mummy is nyonya.
freak bcos m'sia cannot produce outstanding sportsman/woman, and she really is a freak, one of a kind.

so malaysians, stop being so uptight.
think think think!!!

to pralinescream:
1st,i dont know what u have face in ur life to be so.....in the post
anyway,if u take out lcw and nicol david from the result list for the near 5 years,u can see,if without them,we are just a really ORDINARY badminton/squash country,but
the exist of them made us(most if not all of malaysian)something to proud with,eventhough lcw didnt acheive as good as what lindan can,but he still one of the top player,defeat is acceptable.
if cant accept defeat,just stop following badminton or switch ur attention to others great player,ur post cant deny what he had acheived.
and u can say what u want,but that just show where ur iq level is:)
and i have to say that,i cant accept/agree anything in ur post:)


Quality of the bait (debates) has really gone down the river since the Youngster (Pemuda) exited the discussion (forum).... resulting in most participants (members) failing to catch the fish (idea)

haha,this is a good example of quality post:)

[Dato A]

dis is exactly de problem with malaysians generally.
they feel hurt n their pride dented very easily.
after that, they will draw out de small dagger, soak it in red and wave angrily.

lcw badminton skills cannot compare to mine.playing badminton is his full-time job not me. instead if compare to fellow pros from other countries, den he is very ordinary.
tournaments dat he won bcos others dun really care abt it. like french open (if in roland garros, den sumthg-lar).

anyway, de reason why nicol david is hybrid freak? not meant to hurt or rude actually.
hybrid bcos her father is indian and the mummy is nyonya.
freak bcos m'sia cannot produce outstanding sportsman/woman, and she really is a freak, one of a kind.

so malaysians, stop being so uptight.
think think think!!!

Suka Hati Engakaulah Labi......
(As long as you like.....)

[Jagdpanther]

Rexy, maybe you should go back home to train INA MD. You know laaah, refreshing. I can imagine how hard your job out there. Pressure and all...
Here, already used to loss, people and media not too harsh too.

1 or 2 years in homeland, and you're fresh again, ready to go back to MAS ;):p

[jug8man]

LOL. You opportunist! :p

We will never let him Go HAhaHahA (Evil laugh)

[Jonc108]

Let us have some past results of MAS on the major championships (i.e. World Championship, All England, Thomas Cup, Sudirman Cup & Olympic Games) in badminton sports.

WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP

WINNER - 0
** CHINA 40, INDONESIA 18

ALL ENGLAND

MEN'S SINGLE
WINNER - 10 (1949,1951,1952,1953,1954,1955,1956,1957,1966,2003 )
** CHINA 13, INDONESIA 15.

MEN'S DOUBLES
WINNER - 11 (1949,1951,1952,1953,1954,1959,1965,1966,1971,1982 ,2007)
** CHINA 4, INDONESIA 15.

THOMAS CUP

WINNNER - 5 (1949,1952,1955,1967,1992)
** CHINA 7, INDONESIA 13.

SUDIRMAN CUP

WINNER - 0
** CHINA 7, INDONESIA 1.

OLYMPIC GAMES

WINNER - 0
** CHINA 11, INDONESIA 6.





... and most of the honours won were more than 40 years ago (1940s to 1960s)..
after 1970, only 5:
AE MS (2003)
AE MD (1971, 1982, 2007)
Thomas Cup (1992)
...:crying::crying:

[The Boxer]

.
This is very true.

Although MAS is still in the Top 5 best Badminton playing nations, CHN is way, way ahead from the rest of the Top 5.

So, if Malaysia is to "Boleh"; much work is required by BAM to get MAS to overtake CHN. It's not an impossible task, but it could take years to achieve.

At the same time, DEN, INA, KOR, and many nations are trying to do the same to improve.

So "What's the fuss?"...
Currently, we have to congratulate CHN for maintaining their top position. :):):)
.

Before we console ourselves with a 'what's the fuss' or China is ahead etc, here are the facts on yesterday WC final; shuttlers from China, Indonesia, Denmark & Korea were all represented. As such in reality, Malaysia is below this 4 countries.

Malaysia should take a cue from the Danes, if they can win a WC medal, Malaysia with a bigger population base and excellent govt funding should have done way better.

[Liz Leong]

dis is exactly de problem with malaysians generally.
they feel hurt n their pride dented very easily.
after that, they will draw out de small dagger, soak it in red and wave angrily.

lcw badminton skills cannot compare to mine.playing badminton is his full-time job not me. instead if compare to fellow pros from other countries, den he is very ordinary.
tournaments dat he won bcos others dun really care abt it. like french open (if in roland garros, den sumthg-lar).

anyway, de reason why nicol david is hybrid freak? not meant to hurt or rude actually.
hybrid bcos her father is indian and the mummy is nyonya.
freak bcos m'sia cannot produce outstanding sportsman/woman, and she really is a freak, one of a kind.

so malaysians, stop being so uptight.
think think think!!!

Dagger?? :eek: We are talking about badminton ya?

[Liz Leong]

Quality of the bait (debates) has really gone down the river since the Youngster (Pemuda) exited the discussion (forum).... resulting in most participants (members) failing to catch the fish (idea)

Yes, I agree. As a newbie here, I really enjoyed those threads by Pemuda. Love him or hate him, the man really got his facts and he is really funny as well.

I say bring Pemuda back :)

[george@chongwei]

Rexy, maybe you should go back home to train INA MD. You know laaah, refreshing. I can imagine how hard your job out there. Pressure and all...
Here, already used to loss, people and media not too harsh too.

1 or 2 years in homeland, and you're fresh again, ready to go back to MAS ;):p
No nO..a big NO here..:D:D actually rexy wanted to be more stressful and a more harder job and more pressure , that's why he came to mas to coach..:):p:p:p

[george@chongwei]

Yes, I agree. As a newbie here, I really enjoyed those threads by Pemuda. Love him or hate him, the man really got his facts and he is really funny as well.

I say bring Pemuda back :)
you really 'love'(remember this word 'love') pemuda, aren't you?;):rolleyes: ahem, some hint here;):rolleyes: , vateran member, u should understand this..:D

[george@chongwei]

Suka Hati Engakaulah Labi......
(As long as you like.....)
lol dato, relax la...relax.let him/her be:rolleyes:..do you need some help from pemuda? or maybe someone here is the clone pemuda:rolleyes:;):cool: (we don't know;), right:confused:)

dis is exactly de problem with malaysians generally.
they feel hurt n their pride dented very easily.
after that, they will draw out de small dagger, soak it in red and wave angrily.

lcw badminton skills cannot compare to mine.playing badminton is his full-time job not me. instead if compare to fellow pros from other countries, den he is very ordinary.
tournaments dat he won bcos others dun really care abt it. like french open (if in roland garros, den sumthg-lar).

anyway, de reason why nicol david is hybrid freak? not meant to hurt or rude actually.
hybrid bcos her father is indian and the mummy is nyonya.
freak bcos m'sia cannot produce outstanding sportsman/woman, and she really is a freak, one of a kind.

so malaysians, stop being so uptight.
think think think!!!
u say this is of course the problem with we, malaysians, if you, dunno local original malaysians or not, doesnt state out something that wil hurt us malaysians, we won't actually reply you to this.,.:rolleyes:wow, if u say lcw's badminton skill cannot compare to yours, then how come i didnt see u enter international tournaments and local tournaments here to beat him?:rolleyes: try to beat him and i will believe you.. there's no proof that you are better than him at the moment.. PLus, i can see that the problem with malaysia always keep failing to boleh is the kind of people like you who can't accept ppl's success, achievement and sponsors, $$$ etc:rolleyes:jealous towards them and keep criticizing that fella..

[Maximum]

lol dato, relax la...relax.let him/her be:rolleyes:..do you need some help from pemuda? or maybe someone here is the clone pemuda:rolleyes:;):cool: (we don't know;), right:confused:)

u say this is of course the problem with we, malaysians, if you, dunno local original malaysians or not, doesnt state out something that wil hurt us malaysians, we won't actually reply you to this.,.:rolleyes:wow, if u say lcw's badminton skill cannot compare to yours, then how come i didnt see u enter international tournaments and local tournaments here to beat him?:rolleyes: try to beat him and i will believe you.. there's no proof that you are better than him at the moment.. PLus, i can see that the problem with malaysia always keep failing to boleh is the kind of people like you who can't accept ppl's success, achievement and sponsors, $$$ etc:rolleyes:jealous towards them and keep criticizing that fella..
lol... i thought pralinescream was trying to say tht lcw's skill cant be compared wit her/him as lcw is a full time professional badminton player and pralinescream is not a full time pro player.. so theres no point comparing lcw wit us... wat he/she meant is that compared to other full time pro player in the circuit, lcw is just an ordinary player? i think........ ;)

[Ajaib]

Dreaming is an aspects to be success,,, so bolehian fans don't be afraid to keep dreaming,,, dreaming,,, dreaming,,, and dreaming again.... zzzz zzzz zzzzzz...zzzzzzzz

[Liz Leong]

you really 'love'(remember this word 'love') pemuda, aren't you?;):rolleyes: ahem, some hint here;):rolleyes: , vateran member, u should understand this..:D

No, I dont love him:p. I like reading his postings as he is very upfront and factual. Plus, his predictions was right ;)

And no, I m not his shadow. Sorry to disapointed you on that :p

[george@chongwei]

lol... i thought pralinescream was trying to say tht lcw's skill cant be compared wit her/him as lcw is a full time professional badminton player and pralinescream is not a full time pro player.. so theres no point comparing lcw wit us... wat he/she meant is that compared to other full time pro player in the circuit, lcw is just an ordinary player? i think........ ;)
lcw badminton skills cannot compare to mine.playing badminton is his full-time job not me. instead if compare to fellow pros from other countries, den he is very ordinary.

you can see it, maximum.;)

[george@chongwei]

Dreaming is an aspects to be success,,, so bolehian fans don't be afraid to keep dreaming,,, dreaming,,, dreaming,,, and dreaming again.... zzzz zzzz zzzzzz...zzzzzzzz
but we are not dreaming..we are just hoping:p:D

[tannet44]

Malaysia has some of the greatest Badminton World Champions in the past. Just go back to the 1950's and 1960's.

Currently, Malaysian players are still holding top ranking positions in the world. It's not a shame for Malaysia to have no winners in AE, OG, WC, etc... currently. This is because the other 4 top Badminton nations, namely; China, Indonesia, Korea and Denmark, also have top players.

[Dato A]

Malaysia has some of the greatest Badminton World Champions in the past. Just go back to the 1950's and 1960's.

Currently, Malaysian players are still holding top ranking positions in the world. It's not a shame for Malaysia to have no winners in AE, OG, WC, etc... currently. This is because the other 4 top Badminton nations, namely; China, Indonesia, Korea and Denmark, also have top players.

1st, MAS player does won the AE Title currently - 2007 MD's.

As powerhouse in badminton sports, MAS do not have World Champion. Do you think this is not a shame?

[pjswift]

Because Mahathir's Boleh is only good for his time.
Boleh is not good enough now.

[Dato A]

As what Rashid said recently - MAS still have to rely on WCH and YoYo at the coming TC2010.

This is sad. Where is our back-up players?

[epaphroditus]

I think it is still the lack of strength to handle pressure when it comes to big tournament & also a lot to do with the lay back "chin chai, tidak apa" culture as well! How many times Malaysian players had failed to go further when they got into Semi-finals or finals in any badminton tournaments; big or small, junior or senior? How many times they had failed when expectations were high? My guest is quite a bit. They are certainly capable of winning, but they do not have the "Will" and "Do or Die" mentality like China or Korea players' have. Quite frequently when they got into semis or finals or upset a better player, their Will to go further stop! It is like "I have achieved what I expected (or perhaps beyond) and doing quite well here, if I lose the next round....that's ok!" They just simply like to stay in their comfort zone.

[cooler]

As what Rashid said recently - MAS still have to rely on WCH and YoYo at the coming TC2010.

This is sad. Where is our back-up players?yup, that's wat he said.
http://www.themalaysianinsider.com/index.php/sports/36705-malaysia-may-rely-on-old-faces-as-young-shuttlers-flop

[george@chongwei]

As what Rashid said recently - MAS still have to rely on WCH and YoYo at the coming TC2010.

This is sad. Where is our back-up players?
Still yoyo-ing of course:cool::D

[cooler]

26/05/2010

Include IQ and EQ elements in training to strengthen mental of players
KUALA LUMPUR May 25 — The Malaysian badminton team”s failure to make the final of the Thomas Cup was due to a poor mental training method said a leading sports science expert in the country Sheikh Kamaruddin Sheikh Ahmad.

The Universiti Putera Malaysia”s (UPM) sports science lecturer with about 30 years experience, said based on his observation, mental training incorporated in the national squad”s training was more focused on physical activities to beef up their mental strength.

"The method of exposing players under the hot sun for a lengthy period, purportedly to strengthen their mental, is more suited for army training only.

"For badminton players, we cannot inculcate strenuous physical training to beef up their mental strength. The approach towards athletes is different,” said Sheikh Kamaruddin who was also the former Malaysian Amateur Athletics Union”s coaching chairman.

The vastly experienced sports science expert said to beef up the mental strength of shuttlers, a different approach was needed, namely Intelligence Quotient (IQ) and Emotional Quotient (EQ), he said.

The Malaysian Thomas Cup squad lost to Japan in the preliminary stages but beat Denmark to make the semifinals but lost tamely 0-3 to China who eventually beat Indonesia to lift the cup for the fourth consecutive time.

He added that IQ and EQ trainings were to measure the intelligence of an individual as well as train the athlete to focus their mind on their opponents when on the court.

Sheikh Kamaruddin said without consistently ”sharpening” the mind to be active, the physical reflexes of a player would be slow and his or her reaction when under pressure or when attacked by the opponent, would not be effective because the main factor of IQ and EQ is the players emotion.

"Various forms of IQ and EQ can be practiced by players. The objective is to continue sharpening their intelligence and train the mind to be focused. For example, reading the opponents strategy and where he was going to place the shuttle, will give them an edge to react quickly to make the ”kill” to earn points,” he said.

Sheikh Kamaruddin said when world number one Datuk Lee Chong Wei and 2008 Beijing Olympics winner, Lin Dan met, it was clear that the Malaysian failed to control his mindset, resulting in the Chinese player easily taking charge of the situation.

"Maybe Chong Wei was cautious and uncertain whether he would be able to beat Lin Dan whom he had not played for about six months, and maintain his status as the world number one in front of the home crowd.

"His own confusion saw Chong Wei losing his focus while his pre-match strategy and game plan were shattered. When a player is confused and overcome by emotion, his game plan will also suffer a similar fate,” he said.

The best way for shuttlers to beef up their mental strength was to have a clear focus and free the mind for any outside influence but stick to the coach”s strategy for the match.

He added that psychology experts engaged to beef up the mental strength f players must also be a person with authority to have an influence over the players.

For the record, national shuttlers had undergone a three-day team building and motivational camp in Port Dickson, as part of their preparation for the Thomas and Uber Cup final.

— BERNAMA

[undeadshot]

If we are looking for a WC champion or a OG champion, I don't think we can look at Lee Chong Wei if Lin Dan awaits him in the final. Maybe he still can change, but in 2 years? Don't think so. We have to take a better look at the juniors if MAS wants to produce their first world champion or Olympic champion.

[ants]

Too bad... we can't Boleh at this moment.

[taneepak]

We now have an expert from a university with 30 years of sports science experience saying our shuttlers need both IQ and EQ. He also said that the military type of strenuous training under the hot sun to beef up their mental strength was quite useless. If he is right, now we know why Malaysia always stumbles on the home stretch.
Do you think BAM should get another type of "mental strength" of IQ + EQ expertise to "strengthen" our players' head?
So many things to look at, and all involving money and more money. But will it work? In contrast Denmark has their budget cut with their players having to fend for themselves and even complaining they couldn't afford to rent courts in KL. Here we have LCW displaying his winnings in no small way.

[madbad]

Stumbled across this gong at the Ministry of something, something building today. Subliminal messages perhaps...

[chris-ccc]

Stumbled across this gong at the Ministry of something, something building today. Subliminal messages perhaps...



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No need to gong. :p:p:p

Even though MAS didn't win the 2010 TC or UC, Malaysia managed to defeat the 'World Team' at the 'Kwun-Drifit BC Tournament'. :):):)
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