Tony Gunawan/Howard Bach going strong

[the_way]

After beating LWW/CTF and Morgensen/Boe, they are one of the favourite to win now. It is amazing to see how they are still going strong after winning WC 05 in Anaheim. With this, it shows that their victory in the past was not a conspiracy. :cool::cool::cool:

[sting1988]

I've always loved this pair...well maybe it would be better to see Candra and Tony but this is fine by me. Hope they win tomorrow!!!

[george@chongwei]

yeah, they are very strong indeed in this tournament. in fact, they manage to beat boe/morgensen just now..their combination was really great. i think they will up against koo/tan tomorrow..i will be cheering for koo/tan 2moro..let's go mas:p

[OneToughBirdie]

After beating LWW/CTF and Morgensen/Boe, they are one of the favourite to win now. It is amazing to see how they are still going strong after winning WC 05 in Anaheim. With this, it shows that their victory in the past was not a conspiracy. :cool::cool::cool:

I was at WC05 and I was one of the skeptics who alluded a conspiracy when TG/HB beat Sigit/Chandra. Sigit/Chandra played fiercely and high pace beating Choong/Koo in SF, but in final, the pace slowed down and the smashes seems lightweight. TG/HB appear 'real' and playing well in WC09, good for them and baddy in USA. Anyway, if KKK/TBH beat TG/HB tomorrow, they should thank TG/HB for taking care of LWW/CTF and more importantly, Mor/Boe.

[LazyBuddy]

Tony indeed is the god for MD at his age. Not to take Howard out of the equation, but have to say, Tony is the key for the success in the pair.

However, the real tests are down the road start from tomorrow. :rolleyes:

[huangkwokhau]

Please note that Tony did play very well today ( been told ) that Tony knew where DEN pair would hit.
It is not surprising that Tony knew the shuttles from DEN so well as he partners with BOE ( if I am not worng) until now in Denmark League...but against KKK?TBH will be much much tougher

[ctjcad]

After beating LWW/CTF and Morgensen/Boe, they are one of the favourite to win now. It is amazing to see how they are still going strong after winning WC 05 in Anaheim. With this, it shows that their victory in the past was not a conspiracy. :cool::cool::cool:
..as i've mentioned in the other thread, Tony & Howard had a very good shot of reaching the QF and they delivered. It'll get a bit tougher when they meet KKK & TBH in the QF, but i think they have a 50-50 chance of reaching the Semis, simply because of 1 reason: Tony. After all, with the absence of Hendra S., there are basically only 3 of the best front court players left in the MD: LYD, KKK & Tony G.
The ultimate MD match, in this yr's WC, IMO, would be between Tony G. vs. LYD, should both of them meet in the Semis. I think if that were to happen, that should be the MD Final itself. Wow, what a match that would be!!:cool:

Abt the 2005 WC MD Final conspiracy, yes, it will just be a conspiracy. But a conspiracy that will be talked & mentioned about for a long time to come.

[badders7]

Please note that Tony did play very well today ( been told ) that Tony knew where DEN pair would hit.
It is not surprising that Tony knew the shuttles from DEN so well as he partners with BOE ( if I am not worng) until now in Denmark League...but against KKK?TBH will be much much tougherCorrect, he has been partnering Boe for the last 2 years in the danish league. Impressively only losing 1 match in that 2 years (against Laybourn/Jonas Rasmussen)

[OneToughBirdie]

Abt the 2005 WC MD Final conspiracy, yes, it will just be a conspiracy. But a conspiracy that will be talked & mentioned about for a long time to come.

Right after the match at WC05, I talked with my 2 friends (these 2 guys are our provincial top players), and they also agree with me that they observed Sigit was holding back on the power smash and the pace was much slower than when they play KKK/CCM (that was an incredible game to watch live). Sigit reflex in that game against KKK/CCM sent awe/echo through the stadium with his incredible retrieve, speed (it was so bloody fast), jump smash, all-out attack, etc., also HB smash was featherlight. IMO there is no way SB/CW could have lost that match, esp it was a final. Well, I supposed a win is a win for the record book and that is what it counts. I am surprised you mentioned 'this conspiracy' thingie here too.

[ctjcad]

...just mentioned it because the original poster brought it up. Yes, it was a hotly debated thread in the 2005 WC sub-forum..:p

Back to the upcoming match, KKK & TBH have a chance to beat Tony & Howard if KKK doesn't do his usual fancy, schmancy shots. IMO, both of them are quicker, faster and stronger than the U.S. pair. But we shall see..

[Wong8Egg]

...just mentioned it because the original poster brought it up. Yes, it was a hotly debated thread in the 2005 WC sub-forum..:p

Back to the upcoming match, KKK & TBH have a chance to beat Tony & Howard if KKK doesn't do his usual fancy, schmancy shots. IMO, both of them are quicker, faster and stronger than the U.S. pair. But we shall see..

Yes, the key is definitely KKK not TG. Less fooling/show off on the court would make him WC.

[ye333]

IMHO KKK has been going downhill. He is not as fast as he used to be. Even if he decides to be serious, he may not be able to match TG at the net.

That said, it's highly possible that KKK/TBH can take advantage of the age of the US pair.

[arowana]

Think the pairing with Bach (why does he have a german name btw?) makes sense. As long as he smashes hard it allowes TG to play his game. Not sure if pairing with Candra would work better at this point...

[limsy]

i would i say i wont surprise if one of them become winner

[ctjcad]

..who?? who??..

[Athelete1234]

Think the pairing with Bach (why does he have a german name btw?) makes sense. As long as he smashes hard it allowes TG to play his game. Not sure if pairing with Candra would work better at this point...
There's an interview where HB says he's "a chinese guy born in vietnam, with a german sounding name, and holding a US passport". Pretty much his last name is "white" in cantonese, just it is spelled "bach" in vietnam.

He looks like a good partner to TG...if he can keep his game going, then they will be successful in this WC.

[yourbestfriend]

tony g can carry a partnership only so far.
they will get pwned

[danielwong]

KKK/TBH cannot take TG/HB lightly.....
key point is to play fast and furios!!!!
of coz less mistakes from MAS pair,
TBH harder smash and KKK excellent net coverage....
thats the key...

[weeyeh]

I'd love to see TG/HB vs LYD/JJS in the SF. TG and LYD represent the best MD players of the old and new even though I like TG better.

I have not seen TG/HB pair up since WC2005 so I'm not really sure what to expect. I last saw KKK/TBH at S(in)O2009. KKK is more fanciful but is not as good at reading the game as TG. If TG can keep his speed up, its unlikely KKK can get past TG. For backcourt, TBH will have a better range of shot but HB has damn good stamina (he's a smashing machine). TG's shot placing capabilities will be the biggest threat to KKK/TBH.

Cai/Fu looks likely to proceed to finals barring any screw ups. Their game has evolved a bit so it's 3 huge barriers for TG/HB to the WC.

[SibugiChai]

I cant see TG/HB getting pass KKK/TBH... the game has evovle alot since 21 rally point ssytem...

[abedeng]

Good as they are, TG/CW is better than TG/HB. Problem with the Danes yesterday is the saame typical problem for them, match temperament. They blew up after leading 10-5 at one pt in game 2.

But even Kennneth Jonassen acknowledges the US pair's performance, shook hands with TG while shaking his head talking about his players' performance.

[danielwong]

Good as they are, TG/CW is better than TG/HB. Problem with the Danes yesterday is the saame typical problem for them, match temperament. They blew up after leading 10-5 at one pt in game 2.

But even Kennneth Jonassen acknowledges the US pair's performance, shook hands with TG while shaking his head talking about his players' performance.


Kenneth is a nice gentleman, wish to see him in person one day :o:o

[yyclub]

Looking forward for this match. The pressure is on the Malaysian.

[Qidong]

HB is much better now than 2005. He is playing with way more confidence. KKK/TBH are just so inconsistent, I can see an upset. But after that I don't see them having any chance against LYD/JJS's great defense or Cai/Fu quickness.

[danielwong]

HB is much better now than 2005. He is playing with way more confidence. KKK/TBH are just so inconsistent, I can see an upset. But after that I don't see them having any chance against LYD/JJS's great defense or Cai/Fu quickness.


KKK/TBH if on-form, will be the favourite
but TG/HB is no push-over
hard to predict...

[Dato A]

KKK/TBH if on-form, will be the favourite
but TG/HB is no push-over
hard to predict...


So tell me TG/HB is in form or not...

[george@chongwei]

i hope that the mas pair wont be doing so much mistakes in the match today though.

[george@chongwei]

do NTM talks with howard bach during international tourney?:D
just curious though.

[danielwong]

So tell me TG/HB is in form or not...


the number you have dialled, is not in service :cool::cool::cool:

[george@chongwei]

the number you have dialled, is not in service :cool::cool::cool:
please try again later:cool:

[eRa@에라]

TG/HB attacking play and defense have improved a lot... kkk/tbh need to watch out... stay focus... no over the top confidence.... no silly trick shots... emotionally must be stable throughout the match...

but I think we might see an upset here... aduh! :(

[eRa@에라]

the number you have dialled, is not in service :cool::cool::cool:


please try again later:cool:


LOL, you guys just make my day! :D:D:D

[george@chongwei]

TG/HB attacking play and defense have improved a lot... kkk/tbh need to watch out... stay focus... no over the top confidence.... no silly trick shots... emotionally must be stable throughout the match...

but I think we might see an upset here... aduh! :(
this match might worth a paw from me..:D

[danielwong]

TG/HB attacking play and defense have improved a lot... kkk/tbh need to watch out... stay focus... no over the top confidence.... no silly trick shots... emotionally must be stable throughout the match...

but I think we might see an upset here... aduh! :(


we learned to accept failure
just pray hard!!!

[ctjcad]

Good as they are, TG/CW is better than TG/HB.
...
..how so??..The last time Tony & Candra paired up in the WC, they only went as far as the QF Rd. The same round Tony & Howard are currently in...
Although skill-wise Candra is arguably better than Howard, I think Tony benefits from a slightly younger Bach (who is in his late 20s) than Candra, from 2 yrs ago.
If anyone questions abt this current partnership's form & sharpness, you may enjoy their 2nd Rd. match videos:
http://www.badmintonfreak.com/tony-gunawan-howard-bach-world-badminton-championship-2nd-round-video/

Looking forward for this match. The pressure is on the Malaysian.
..how is the pressure on the M'sians?? Are they the favorites to win the MD title??..

Anyway, IMO, here are 2 keys for KKK & TBH to win:
1. No fancy, schmancy plays from KKK..
2. Keep Tony at the back. In the videos link above, if you notice, when Tony is at the back, the USA pairing's attack is less formidable than when he's at the front. So, keeping Tony at the back should be something for KKK & TBH to focus on.
Oh, btw, did i mention no fancy, schmancy plays from KKK...;)

[danielwong]

..how so??..The last time Tony & Candra paired up in the WC, they only went as far as the QF Rd. The same round Tony & Howard are currently in...
Although skill-wise Candra is arguably better than Howard, I think Tony benefits from a slightly younger Bach (who is in his late 20s) than Candra, from 2 yrs ago.
If anyone questions abt this current partnership's form & sharpness, you may enjoy their 2nd Rd. match videos:
http://www.badmintonfreak.com/tony-gunawan-howard-bach-world-badminton-championship-2nd-round-video/

..how is the pressure on the M'sians?? Are they the favorites to win the MD title??..


they are seeded 2nd in MD...
TG/HB is rank much lower
if you use your brain...i think you shld know what kind of pressure
we are talking abt....:cool::cool::cool:

[ctjcad]

Are the M'sians expected to win the MD title??..Are they even the favorites??..
I thought they're a seasoned pair already, having played in big tourneys before & being seeded at #2 in the 2007 WC and playing at home??..
You mean there is still pressure for them even when playing away from M'sia and being a seasoned pair??..
:confused:

[danielwong]

Are the M'sians expected to win the MD title??..
I thought they're a seasoned pair already, having being seeded at #2 in the 2007 WC and playing at home??..
You mean there is still pressure for them even when playing away from M'sia and being a seasoned pair??..
:confused:


i dont think any players will say they have no pressure at all...:cool::cool::cool:
be it playing at home or oversea...or else they are robots....:D:D
to answer your question, KKK/TBH is one of the expected pair
to win the MD....you can see Msian newspaper....no lie....:D:D:D

[ctjcad]

..no players will say they have no pressure at all, then there should be no pressure for the M'sians as every pair/player is even-steven & even have the same amt of pressure.
That's right, KKK & TBH are just one of several pairs expected to win the title.

As for M'sian media putting pressure on KKK & TBH, shouldn't both of them expect that already?? Is this the first time they're being put in such spotlight? I bet the answer is a big NO.

So, all this talk about the M'sian players will have pressure this & that...I'll tell you this, if KKK & TBH play with a lot of pressure they are definitely going to lose the match...

[danielwong]

..no players will say they have no pressure at all, then there should be no pressure for the M'sians as every pair/player is even-steven & even have the same amt of pressure.
That's right, KKK & TBH are just one of several pairs expected to win the title.

As for M'sian media putting pressure on KKK & TBH, shouldn't both of them expect that already?? Is this the first time they're being put in such spotlight? I bet the answer is a big NO.

So, all this talk about the M'sian players will have pressure this & that...I'll tell you this, if KKK & TBH play with a lot of pressure they are definitely going to lose the match...


if you are talking without equation, i think no point to argue with you :cool::cool:
each players pressure and expectation is not the same...
i can say that TG/HB pressure is much lower as compared to KKK/TBH
as TG/HB have nothing to loose...KKK/TBH will under higher pressure
and a big YES, if they cant handle it, they will lose....
thanks for reminding us and prove our point..
the role of media? i dont think KKK/TBH being pressured by media???
where you get the facts??? when KKK/TBH said it? :cool::cool::cool:
btw, you agreed that KKK/TBH are just one of the several pairs expected to win MD....so why go around the bush and ask whether they are the
expected pair to win, or are they even the favourite?
why flip-floping???:cool::cool:

[ctjcad]

if you are talking without equation, i think no point to argue with you :cool::cool:
each players pressure and expectation is not the same...
i can say that TG/HB pressure is much lower as compared to KKK/TBH
as TG/HB have nothing to loose...KKK/TBH will under higher pressure
and a big YES, if they cant handle it, they will lose....
thanks for reminding us and prove our point..
the role of media? i dont think KKK/TBH being pressured by media???
where you get the facts??? when KKK/TBH said it? :cool::cool::cool:
btw, you agreed that KKK/TBH are just one of the several pairs expected to win MD....so why go around the bush and ask whether they are the
expected pair to win, or are they even the favourite?
why flip-floping???:cool::cool:
- If TG & HB have nothing to lose, why can't KKK & TBH have the same approach??..Why do they need to be "under higher pressure"?..Who told them to be "under higher pressure"?? Who's putting them under pressure?? danielwong told them??..:confused:
- As for the role of media, no i never mentioned nor brought up the role of media in the first place. Nor i have the facts or when KKK & TBH said it. I mentioned "media" and how KKK & TBH is pressured by the media because someone else brought up & mentioned the "you can see M'sian newspaper" in the first place??...I wonder who mentioned it??hmmm??..
- The reason why i ask whether they are the expected pair or the favorite pair to win is to point out that if they are indeed NOT the expected pair or the favorite to win, then there shouldn't be any pressure. At least not to a point to say "the pressure is on the M'sians". And since they are just 1 of several pairs to win, then IMO, there shouldn't be any pressure, if minimal at best.
- There is no flip-flopping...:cool:

[danielwong]

- If TG & HB have nothing to lose, why can't KKK & TBH have the same approach??..Why do they need to be "under higher pressure"?..Who told them to be "under higher pressure"?? danielwong told them??..:confused:
- As for the role of media, no i never said brought up the role of media in the first place. Nor i have the facts or when KKK & TBH said it. I mentioned "media" and how KKK & TBH is pressured by the media because someone else brought up & mentioned the "you can see M'sian newspaper" in the first place??...I wonder who mentioned it??hmmm??..
- The reason why i ask whether they are the expected pair or the favorite pair to win is to point out that if they are indeed NOT the expected pair or the favorite to win, then there shouldn't be any pressure. At least not to a point to say "the pressure is on the M'sians". And since they are just 1 of several pairs to win, then IMO, there shouldn't be any pressure, if minimal at best.
- There is no flip-flopping...:cool:


- No.1, KKK/TBH have to handle the pressure themselves....whether they can
handle it like TG/HB is up to them....danielwong didnt told them to be under high pressure...i just predict....thank you....:cool::cool:
-er....does Malaysia media expected them to win means the media is pressuring them????? mentioning and pressuring is 2 different words...
i used Msian media to prove your point that they are just one of the expected pair to win.....not that they are being pressured by the media?? my goodness......:D:D and YES, i brought up the media issue, no hiding...but i think i didnt interprete wrongly...
-every favourites pair have pressure....whoever can handle it, chances of them winning is higher....MD competition is very intense....many factors count...
-back to game.....very intense now!!! :D:D

[ctjcad]

- No.1, KKK/TBH have to handle the pressure themselves....whether they can
handle it like TG/HB is up to them....danielwong didnt told them to be under high pressure...i just predict....thank you....:cool::cool:
-er....does Malaysia media expected them to win means the media is pressuring them????? mentioning and pressuring is 2 different words...
i used Msian media to prove your point that they are just one of the expected pair to win.....not that they are being pressured by the media?? my goodness......:D:D and YES, i brought up the media issue, no hiding...but i think i didnt interprete wrongly...
...
- My original post basically questioned yyclub's post. So, if danielwong didn't tell them to be under high pressure, who is to say "The pressure is on the M'sians". Is it really on them??..
- I don't know whether M'sian media expected them to win. I only take it from your post. I only see the words "expected" and "pressuring". To me, they mean roughly the same. If the media mentioned that, then who made the notion to the media that they are just one of the expected pairs to win?? I'm sure someone suggested it..

[danielwong]

- My original post basically questioned yyclub's post. So, if danielwong didn't tell them to be under high pressure, who is to say "The pressure is on the M'sians". Is it really on them??..
- I don't know whether M'sian media expected them to win. I only take it from your post. I only see the words "expected" and "pressuring". To me, they mean roughly the same. If media mentioned that, who made the notion to the media that they are just one of the expected pairs to win?? I'm sure someone suggested it..


THE ANSWER...All the experts, taiko, sinsheh here put high pressure on KKK/TBH to win....simple answer, from start not much hope on TG/HB to go far in this tourney but they managed to overcome all obstacles to reach QF...
while KKK/TBH being "EXPECTED/ PRESSURED" (roughly same meaning according to Oxford) by media by highlighting them as just one of the favourites......must overcome the EXPECTATION/PRESSURE to win....
as what you said, all the fav carry the same pressure tag...whoever can managed will take the holy grail...
simple conclusion to what we discussed...
:D:D:D

[ctjcad]

THE ANSWER...All the experts, taiko, sinsheh here put high pressure on KKK/TBH to win....simple answer, from start not much hope on TG/HB to go far in this tourney but they managed to overcome all obstacles to reach QF...
while KKK/TBH being "EXPECTED/ PRESSURED" (roughly same meaning according to Oxford) by media by highlighting them as just one of the favourites......must overcome the EXPECTATION/PRESSURE to win....
as what you said, all the fav carry the same pressure tag...whoever can managed will take the holy grail...
simple conclusion to what we discussed...
:D:D:D
- Please lah, don't include me in the Big We.:eek: I never put any pressure or big/high pressure/expectation on KKK & TBH to win or even be one of the pairs to win because i just don't think they are faves or good enough to pull it out. If you've read, for this yr's WC, I've only put expectation/pressure on 1 or maybe even 2 pairs to reach the Final & win it all:LYD & JJS and CY & FHF (since MK & HS withdrew). The rest of the pairs have equal chance.
- So do you believe the media, all the experts, taikoh, sinsheh??..
- I never mentioned "all the faves carry the same pressure tag". All i mentioned was "all pairs are even steven and have the same pressure" since you mentioned "there are no players who will say they have no pressure".
The pairs which, IMO, deserve "pressure" are the 2 pairs i mentioned above.

[limsy]

and yes,we won
but surely,tony/bach is not easy meat
congrates for koo/tan:)

[etudiant]

too bad they lost against KKK

[sting1988]

They lost in 3 games...well at least they could bring a bronze back if they beat the other malaysian.

[eaglehelang]

- My original post basically questioned yyclub's post. So, if danielwong didn't tell them to be under high pressure, who is to say "The pressure is on the M'sians". Is it really on them??..
- I don't know whether M'sian media expected them to win. I only take it from your post. I only see the words "expected" and "pressuring". To me, they mean roughly the same. If the media mentioned that, then who made the notion to the media that they are just one of the expected pairs to win?? I'm sure someone suggested it..

<yawn> It's obvious that the pressure is on KKK/TBH as the WR#2 pair & 2nd seed, esp after MK/Hendra withdrew. On paper, they are next in line to win. They are the ones expected to go far this WC in doubles (Rexy mentioned as such) as FUzzy pair has not been performing well, supposed is no hope. In fact, Fuzzy's chances were rated lower than WPT/CEH (by the sports reporters), haha.
All of this have been repeated in the Msian media many times.

THe USA MD, well, they're unseeded....of course they have nothing to lose.

It's not so much the media , it's also the powers-that-be. The Sports Minister went to airport to send them off, gave them sending off makan, told them he bought tickets to WC FInals & said he wants to see their faces during the finals.
In any case, this is the usual, the players need to face it lor. ;)

Now.... for baddy in US, who would care much if Tony/Howard went to finals or won? Would they have gotten this type of <unnecessary> attention? As I recall, you all have been lamenting on lack of interest for baddy there.

[george@chongwei]

wow, when astro was broadcasting the ws match between zhou mi and xxf, my heart and mind and my soul keep concentrating on the adjacent court..this excting md match..:cool: i could hear cheering from some of the spectators and loud smashing sound all around.. i was very kan chiong when the usa pair leading..until at one end, i heard tan boon heong shouting in delight, i begin to be in happy mood..and yeah, they manage to beat bach/gunawan!:)

next up for them: korea jjs/lyd..it will be very very very tough though;)

[ctjcad]

<yawn> It's obvious that the pressure is on KKK/TBH as the WR#2 pair & 2nd seed, esp after MK/Hendra withdrew. On paper, they are next in line to win. They are the ones expected to go far this WC in doubles (Rexy mentioned as such) as FUzzy pair has not been performing well, supposed is no hope. In fact, Fuzzy's chances were rated lower than WPT/CEH (by the sports reporters), haha.
All of this have been repeated in the Msian media many times.

THe USA MD, well, they're unseeded....of course they have nothing to lose.

It's not so much the media , it's also the powers-that-be. The Sports Minister went to airport to send them off, gave them sending off makan, told them he bought tickets to WC FInals & said he wants to see their faces during the finals.
In any case, this is the usual, the players need to face it lor. ;)

Now.... for baddy in US, who would care much if Tony/Howard went to finals or won? Would they have gotten this type of <unnecessary> attention? As I recall, you all have been lamenting on lack of interest for baddy there.
- Well, yawn as much as you like and believe all the media as you like.:eek: Did you read my last post above & see who i mentioned should be the faves?? Eventhough Ah Koo & Ah Tan are seeded #2, in my book, LYD & JJS and CY & FHF are the faves. Those 2 pairs are the real faves.
- Thank you for confirming it was the powers that be that bestowed them the unnecessary pressure & attention. That's right, the players need to brace for it. And for the many thousand of M'sian BCers' sake in here, how many times have Ah Koo & Ah Tan seen & heard abt this?? And they still can't cope with the pressure even when playing away from homeground??..
- Personally, it's correct that Tony & Howie shouldn't get this unnecessary attention because in my book they are not the faves.
Yes, we've been lamenting abt the lack of interest in baddy in the U.S. What about it??..

Anyway, we've definitely veered off topic and the match is over....there's really nothing more to discuss unless you want the mods to change the thread's title to "KKK/TBH going strong"????...:confused:

[eaglehelang]

- Did you read my last post above & see who i mentioned should be the faves?? Eventhough Ah Koo & Ah Tan are seeded #2, in my book, LYD & JJS and CY & FHF are the faves. Those 2 pairs are the real faves.
-And they still can't cope with the pressure even when playing away from homeground??..
- Personally, it's correct that Tony & Howie shouldn't get this unnecessary attention because in my book they are not the faves.
Yes, we've been lamenting abt the lack of interest in baddy in the U.S. What about it??..

...:confused:

- That's here in BC. Daniel Wong was refering to media. You two - one person talking abt A, the other B. Whether we BC members put pressure on whoever pair/player, we cant, LOL, we're not the decision makers.
- Uncles CTF/LWW still couldnt fully cope with the pressure even after 10 years as Msia no 1 MD.
- It's connected to the topic of "pressure"

In any case, that was my 1st reply to that, since you & Daniel been talking abt it for some time, haha. :D

[ctjcad]

- That's here in BC. Daniel Wong was refering to media. You two - one person talking abt A, the other B. Whether we BC members put pressure on whoever pair/player, we cant, LOL, we're not the decision makers.
- Uncles CTF/LWW still couldnt fully cope with the pressure even after 10 years as Msia no 1 MD.
- It's connected to the topic of "pressure"

In any case, that was my 1st reply to that, since you & Daniel been talking abt it for some time, haha. :D
- I knew danielwong was going to bring up the M'sian media. After all, everytime there's a mention of pressure in the M'sian camp, all the fingers automatically point to the media or the BAM folks. Thing is, everyone seems to believe what the media is writing/hyping up.
I know we BCers can't put any pressure on the players. But guess what yyclub actually wrote. Who's mentioning the word "pressure"??
- I'm sorry if uncles Ah Choong and Ah Lee couldn't fully cope with pressure for the last umpteenth yrs of their baddy career..
- Is the original topic of the thread discussing abt "pressure"?? *reading the title of the thread*

Yes, i thank you for your participation. It's pretty much irrelevant now is it?? ;)

[eaglehelang]

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- Is the original topic of the thread discussing abt "pressure"?? *reading the title of the thread*

Yes, i thank you for your participation. It's pretty much irrelevant now is it?? ;)

Nope, it was about TG/Howard of course. The sub topic was, connecting it to Tony/Howard's case lah.

And as uncles, they're considered going strong, they did beat Boe/Morgenson to reach this far.

[ctjcad]

Nope, it was about TG/Howard of course. The sub topic was, connecting it to Tony/Howard's case lah.

And as uncles, they're considered going strong, they did beat Boe/Morgenson to reach this far.
- The sub topic has nothing to do with Tony & Howard's case. If indirectly, yes. This whole little discussion was a spin off from one member mentioning "The pressure is on the M'sian"...Who's putting the pressure if not from a member??..:confused:
- The way i see it, uncle Tony, basically beat Boe & Mogensen, all by himself..;)

[Deathsticks]

they've beated a few seeded players
i wounder when there going to be seeded in world ranks

[rebsinfx]

Bach is a strong player but he needs to polish his game. He has a lot of errors on court. Although he is entertaining to watch.

[george@chongwei]

i think next tony gunawan will be pairing up with chandra wijaya/..;)

[limsy]

still,they are one of the strong forces