OK this is big news and worthy of its own thread I think.

Not least because many of us were unable to view the match live so I'm sure all of us out there are curious as to how the match went/ whether it was a case of bottling it/ silly unforced errors or just Sony being too good.

So can those who saw the match please provide some post-match commentary?

Many thanks in advance!

Aw too bad, how can Lee Chong Wei loose that game? :o

wow...so fast, beware of all the heated debate here..

unforced errors... imagine swiss open 2006 final LD=LCW and LCW=Sony... LCW having trouble to end the rally and he got panic when his smashes return to his side... oh darn.. a heart ache, really

haha,
hmm
its normal to me,;)

p/s: if only I could be there to bang some sense to his brain.... *sigh*

haha,
hmm
its normal to me,;)

haiya boy... you always like that... :p I nearly shed a tear, oh dear... like breaking up with a bf... :o:D

I have to say, what a joke, LCW, his coach, and his fans.

oh, we might see another upset... uncle peter is catching up...

haha,
hmm
its normal to me,;)

Like I said to uncle Loh before the tourney started, nothing short of bombs dropping in stadium surprise me anymore. ;)

wow...so fast, beware of all the heated debate here..
:D
what to debate?
LCW is out!! hahahahahhah............

What a joke for a so called "WR1"

This is exactly what LCW lacks, confidence.

I have to say, what a joke, LCW, his coach, and his fans.


hey man,

you should add the other No. 1 seeds in your list, and their coaches, and their fans.... don't write such annoying statement... it's basically.... annoying...

even LD is fighting hard now... No.1 seeds means absolutely nothing if you don't play your game right... in short, they are human... win or lose is meant to be...

wow...so fast, beware of all the heated debate here..


there's nothing to debate actually... he lost due to his own mistakes... end of story;) I bet he's crying his heart out tonight... poor dude...

thanks for those who replied with observations on the match...
yeh I can imagine the occasion getting to LCW, esp with Sony being his opponent (who has always posed a challenge to LCW in the past)
for LCW, the search for a Badminton "Major" trophy continues...

haiya boy... you always like that... :p I nearly shed a tear, oh dear... like breaking up with a bf... :o:D

relax kak,switch ur attention to md then:)

Like I said to uncle Loh before the tourney started, nothing short of bombs dropping in stadium surprise me anymore. ;)

haha,win win lor,lose lose lor
not never lost before:p

It has nothing to do with confidence. LCW was playing his bloody best. Kuncoro was magnificent with his game -- he brought his "AAA" game with him. His drop shots were nothing shot of superb.

Even the staunchest of LCW fans, namely me :) , will not feel too bad. Aloha Sony, you deserve to go on and win this one (to replace the one you missed out in 2007).

oh...godddddd,he must very sad

It has nothing to do with confidence. LCW was playing his bloody best. Kuncoro was magnificent with his game -- he brought his "AAA" game with him. His drop shots were nothing shot of superb.

Even the staunchest of LCW fans, namely me :) , will not feel too bad. Aloha Sony, you deserve to go on and win this one (to replace the one you missed out in 2007).

WOW. So actually it was a case of Sony being just too good and outplaying LCW? (thereby forcing LCW to go for too much = forced errors)???

Amazing...

true, he plays his game as usual but sony too good in returning all his shots... makes lcw panic, makes errors and then gives up... even his magical net shots are working against him...

Limsy: haiya, I directly change channel when he lost... our MD? dunno la... maybe fuzzy can pull it off... i think kkk/tbh still bringing the same mood of play... they nearly lost today... next is korean ace... so brain tiring to predict... dunno will kan cheong or not...

hey man,

you should add the other No. 1 seeds in your list, and their coaches, and their fans.... don't write such annoying statement... it's basically.... annoying...

even LD is fighting hard now... No.1 seeds means absolutely nothing if you don't play your game right... in short, they are human... win or lose is meant to be...

If you feel offended, I am sorry. But read back what LCW said, what his coach said (LD is the only one LCW needed to beat), what his fans said here before the game.

LD is struggling now; if he ever lose to Peter, I'll call it another joke.

It has nothing to do with confidence. LCW was playing his bloody best. Kuncoro was magnificent with his game -- he brought his "AAA" game with him. His drop shots were nothing shot of superb.

Even the staunchest of LCW fans, namely me :) , will not feel too bad. Aloha Sony, you deserve to go on and win this one (to replace the one you missed out in 2007).

Yes,...like i said, SDK and his coaches are really smarter to plan to peak at the right time. LCW has been at his high for past 7 months, so its difficult for him to maintain his form at peak for so long, so a hype in form from SDK is enough to caught LCW wrong footed.............;)

Kuncoro played the same game he did in 2007 - denying LCW's chances of smashing and then keeping it tight with fantastic drop shots. This took the stint out of LCW.

LCW was struggling to find his feet with this awesome display from Sony. Sony is no slouch with his smashes either. If he can keep this pace he is going to party poop other players as well.

SONY is the name, remember that hahahaa!!!!

i remember SKD showing incredible form in a major tournament and pushing LD in the final...forget which tournament though.... could have been a WC??

SONY is the name, remember that hahahaa!!!!

I will I will. I will buy a Sony next time I am in an electronic shop.:D

i remember SKD showing incredible form in a major tournament and pushing LD in the final...forget which tournament though.... could have been a WC??


WC 2007......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

WC 2007......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

aah yess, so I was right... SDk took out a big name before he faced LD in the final... was it LCW??

It is surprising he did not get sponsorship from SONY. They are getting a free ride on his success !

aah yess, so I was right... SDk took out a big name before he faced LD in the final... was it LCW??


HAHAHA, ARE YOU TRYING to BRING BACK BAD MEMORIES FOR HIS FANS ?:D I LIKE YOUR STYLE.

HAHAHA, ARE YOU TRYING to BRING BACK MEMORIES FOR HIS FANS ?:D I LIKE YOUR STYLE.

no I'm serious. I just remember SDK playing lights out in a big tournament a couple of years ago. Just couldn't remember the fine details.

Then I saw your earlier post saying "SDK played like he did in 2007" which then made me think "aha! so I guess SDK beat LCW in the 2007 WC, prior to meeting LD in the final!"

I'm guessing your most recent post confirms I'm correct.

was watching this on malaysian pay tv asstro.
commentators were silly n bias towards lee cw. superlatives were used like mystical, flying arnd the court like pegasus, master of the game, one of the greats, etc.

was laffing with glee when the man n woman commentator end up with stink bomn on their face after SDK blew the mystical lee cw away to la la land.

on more serious note, to all malaysian fans, stop dreaming of any glory either from lee cw or other BAM players.

was watching this on malaysian pay tv asstro.
commentators were silly n bias towards lee cw. superlatives were used like mystical, flying arnd the court like pegasus, master of the game, one of the greats, etc.

was laffing with glee when the man n woman commentator end up with stink bomn on their face after SDK blew the mystical lee cw away to la la land.

on more serious note, to all malaysian fans, stop dreaming of any glory either from lee cw or other BAM players.

If you don't dream, you will never be happy. One dashed dream does not mean there won't many more.:D Look out for more -- come Sunday, two Malaysians will be standing on the podium.;)

SDK is no small fish... but ppl expect datuk to win for datuk has been in form of his life after the OG08...

ups & down lol

Kuncoro played the same game he did in 2007 - denying LCW's chances of smashing and then keeping it tight with fantastic drop shots. This took the stint out of LCW.

LCW was struggling to find his feet with this awesome display from Sony. Sony is no slouch with his smashes either. If he can keep this pace he is going to party poop other players as well.


Wow, I just returned home to find World MS#1 LCW losing to newly-married SDK. Another fatalistic upset for both LCW and Crystal Ball.

You see, I warned that LCW should not lose his focus by concentrating on LD only, even to the extent of engaging the services of 'discarded' LM. This is not even the SF and someone has been boasting LCW 100% will win the WC and listed out all his super assets, sure to send LD packing. LCW doesn't even have a chance to meet his real master, not LM for sure. It would have done him better had he consulted Sony's ex-coach, Hendrawan

So LCW has exacted revenge on a low-ranking underdog NTM yesterday and all his fans shouted out loud in ecstacy and one even talked about "dropping his pants". :p Unfortunately, LCW used up almost all his energies, both physical and mental, in the first game especially to smash his way through, regardless. The pitiful consequence was revealed today at the hands of another humble and gentle player Sony!:D Even many thought wrongly that Sony is a "has-been" and will submit to LCW meekly. ;)

You don't need LD to teach LCW and Crystal Ball a lesson on how "not to count their chickens before they're hatched" and to brag about LCW's super assets. A soft-spoken Sony will do lah. He took revenge for NTM, another humble guy.

LD, on the other hand, smothered highly motivated PG in straight games. ;) And his compatriot CJ was also in fiery form.

I wonder what else can Cystal Ball shout about this time? Everytime he opens his mouth, it is actually at the expense of LCW. Yes he is still trying to save his own face by saying "IF"... I supposed now the Ball is not only cracked, swine flu infested but also all smashed up! :D:D:D We may need a tape to put them all together again! :eek:

And I wonder who has the last laugh now? Hahahahahaha....... :)

If you feel offended, I am sorry. But read back what LCW said, what his coach said (LD is the only one LCW needed to beat), what his fans said here before the game.

LD is struggling now; if he ever lose to Peter, I'll call it another joke.

how can you go joking him around when he's number one due to the scoring system of bwf... he's beatable anyway despite his ranking. it's a fact, no point arguing... besides, misbun did said yesterday that other players are now playing to his standard in the mission to beat him. lcw himself need to be mindful of those opponents...and like i said earlier, if wanna joking lcw must joking others like zhou mi also... then you look more fairer...:p

I am a fan and what did i say that deserve a joke from you? Nothhhing...;)

even i don't support LD but when he lost, I don't think I'll go around saying he's a joke...:o

oh, what the heck... do as you like man... you own your mind...:p

very interesting loss...
lcw beat sony pretty bad at the olympics and that is arguably a bigger tournament. now all of a sudden he loses?? weird. i didn't think sony would pose any threat to lcw hahah.
damn!! i was really looking forward to a lcw/ld semi-final

If you don't dream, you will never be happy. One dashed dream does not mean there won't many more.:D Look out for more -- come Sunday, two Malaysians will be standing on the podium.;)


X Ball, let's not jinx the only Malaysians left...:D:D:D I think the supporters had done enough for the day... if not later we receive another joker award :D:D;)

have to admit that sony played a very good game today..absolutely superb..lcw just have no answer to all of his shot though..sony was controlling the game very well..today is just not chong wei's day..

i thought this thread is supposed to be opened by banankid?:rolleyes:
anyway, i can see he's quite quiet though this time around:D jk jk..

Wow, I just returned home to find World MS#1 LCW losing to newly-married SDK. Another fatalistic upset for both LCW and Crystal Ball.

You see, I warned that LCW should not lose his focus by concentrating on LD only, even to the extent of engaging the services of 'discarded' LM. This is not even the SF and someone has been boasting LCW 100% will win the WC and listed out all his super assets, sure to send LD packing. LCW doesn't even have a chance to meet his real master, not LM for sure. It would have done him better had he consulted Sony's ex-coach, Hendrawan

So LCW has exacted revenge on a low-ranking underdog NTM yesterday and all his fans shouted out loud in ecstacy and one even talked about "dropping his pants". :p Unfortunately, LCW used up almost all his energies, both physical and mental, in the first game especially to smash his way through, regardless. The pitiful consequence was revealed today at the hands of another humble and gentle player Sony!:D Even many thought wrongly that Sony is a "has-been" and will submit to LCW meekly. ;)

You don't need LD to teach LCW and Crystal Ball a lesson on how "not to count their chickens before they're hatched" and to brag about LCW's super assets. A soft-spoken Sony will do lah. He took revenge for NTM, another humble guy.

LD, on the other hand, smothered highly motivated PG in straight games. ;) And his compatriot CJ was also in fiery form.

I wonder what else can Cystal Ball shout about this time? Everytime he opens his mouth, it is actually at the expense of LCW. Yes he is still trying to save his own face by saying "IF"... I supposed now the Ball is not only cracked, swine flu infested but also all smashed up! :D:D:D We may need a tape to put them all together again! :eek:

And I wonder who has the last laugh now? Hahahahahaha....... :)
uncle oh uncle, how long have u waited for this to 'explode'?:p lol, another long essay here..:p;) how's your pants yesterday?? :D:D

LCW is a superstar. each time he loose the match, threads are mushrooming. :D many members need to post here and there, eventually the same meaning of post.
i do wonder what if Sony beats LD then.

I never expected Sony to have a chance. I thought that this, out of all the MS SFs would have had the most obvious outcome (being LCW winning). Sony is so up and down, he's seemingly been down for quite awhile... but then out of nowhere - this! He can play a brilliant match/tournament every now and then, but it's rather rare :(. He knows when to make it happen though :).

how can you go joking him around when he's number one due to the scoring system of bwf... he's beatable anyway despite his ranking. it's a fact, no point arguing... besides, misbun did said yesterday that other players are now playing to his standard in the mission to beat him. lcw himself need to be mindful of those opponents...and like i said earlier, if wanna joking lcw must joking others like zhou mi also... then you look more fairer...:p

I am a fan and what did i say that deserve a joke from you? Nothhhing...;)

even i don't support LD but when he lost, I don't think I'll go around saying he's a joke...:o

oh, what the heck... do as you like man... you own your mind...:p

LCW's skill is not a joke, but his mental weakness, trash talk from him, his coach and his fans are jokes.

clear?

was watching this on malaysian pay tv asstro.
commentators were silly n bias towards lee cw. superlatives were used like mystical, flying arnd the court like pegasus, master of the game, one of the greats, etc.

was laffing with glee when the man n woman commentator end up with stink bomn on their face after SDK blew the mystical lee cw away to la la land.

on more serious note, to all malaysian fans, stop dreaming of any glory either from lee cw or other BAM players.

The guy commentator can't help it la, he's a big fan, that John always like that... LCW is indeed his pegasus.. heard he said it numerous time already... that's what a die hard fan is ... ehem... naturally ... and they said it not for the current way LCW played tonight but of his last matches aka LCW usual confident self... definitely not the man he was tonight....

but don't forget, they are not saying Sony performing badly either... instead they keep praising him for his effort and skills to control the pace etc... don't misled others if you're gonna write some summary of the match here... ;)

and who are you anyway, to tell us, particularly me, to stop dreaming for the best of the Malaysian players? tsk tsk tsk ... bad and worst suggestion ever!:cool:

LCW is a superstar. each time he loose the match, threads are mushrooming. :D many members need to post here and there, eventually the same meaning of post.
i do wonder what if Sony beats LD then.
Maybe Bc FORUM will explode?:eek:

LCW's skill is not a joke, but his mental weakness, trash talk from him, his coach and his fans are jokes.

clear?

oh really?! I don't think you mention that extra tidbits... and it's very clear that your

"I have to say, what a joke, LCW, his coach, and his fans."

means LCW as himself body and soul, his coach as himself, body and soul, and the fans as themselves bodies and souls... gosh, someone is really trying to teach me English here... thanks but no thanks!


Oh dear, why in heavens did I respond to such trash talks???:o

LCW is a superstar. each time he loose the match, threads are mushrooming. :D many members need to post here and there, eventually the same meaning of post.
i do wonder what if Sony beats LD then.

there surely will be 'LD generousity' comments flying like bazookas in BC :D:D:p:D

X Ball, let's not jinx the only Malaysians left...:D:D:D I think the supporters had done enough for the day... if not later we receive another joker award :D:D;)

That is the best quote of the day:D:p

Quote from LCW:

"It used to be Lin Dan against Taufik (Hidayat of Indonesia) but I have been able to challenge the Olympic champion now. The rivalry is something like Nadal against Federer."

Let's not get ahead of ourselves Mr Lee! ;)

LCW is a superstar. each time he loose the match, threads are mushrooming. :D many members need to post here and there, eventually the same meaning of post.
i do wonder what if Sony beats LD then.

So naughty this drifit. Btw, someone already started a thread on the China XD's losses.:p

wow...so fast, beware of all the heated debate here..
no heated debate from me. Same old stories.
It was rather beware of all the heated hypes that came before:rolleyes:;)

I have to say, what a joke, LCW, his coach, and his fans.
nah, some lcw fans are nice.
just beware of the spin ball doctor and other hypsters

LCW is a superstar. each time he loose the match, threads are mushrooming. :D many members need to post here and there, eventually the same meaning of post.
i do wonder what if Sony beats LD then.

That is not going to happen...I am willing to bet my goldfish on that, add my rabbit to the bet too...LOL!!:p:D

I never expected Sony to have a chance. I thought that this, out of all the MS SFs would have had the most obvious outcome (being LCW winning). Sony is so up and down, he's seemingly been down for quite awhile... but then out of nowhere - this! He can play a brilliant match/tournament every now and then, but it's rather rare :(. He knows when to make it happen though :).

I hate to admit it, but to those who follows since day 1: dunno if you guys will agree with me, I seriously think LCW is not at his best despite what the press reported... deep down I can see he losing early... a close encounter in the 2nd game with NTM shows it all... NTM, I believe was too tired to keep pace with LCW. He definitely can upset LCW in his best form... I can see other players adopting LCW's ways of playing... eventually, LCW will lose if he didn't work out for something more, cos people are looking forward to play against him and beat him... they definitely have practiced well in achieving that... and sony did just that...

SONY is the name, remember that hahahaa!!!!
ya, we Mrs. Kuncoro too

The irony is PBSI almost canceled Sony out due to unmonitored practice ( outisde Cipayung)..there is a rumour that Sony will quit PBSI if PBSI decided not to send him to WC....tomorrow is tough..tougher one...

That is not going to happen...I am willing to bet my goldfish on that, add my rabbit to the bet too...LOL!!:p:D
wow, why are you so super sure about that? what more do you wanna bet on the line? your tough birdie?:D:p i'm sure sony will surely give lin dan some hard times tomorrow..

The irony is PBSI almost canceled Sony out due to unmonitored practice ( outisde Cipayung)..there is a rumour that Sony will quit PBSI if PBSI decided not to send him to WC....tomorrow is tough..tougher one...
no worries..have faith in him..all the best sony..let's do it..sony is surely the underdog when facing lin dan tomorrow.

no I'm serious. I just remember SDK playing lights out in a big tournament a couple of years ago. Just couldn't remember the fine details.

Then I saw your earlier post saying "SDK played like he did in 2007" which then made me think "aha! so I guess SDK beat LCW in the 2007 WC, prior to meeting LD in the final!"

I'm guessing your most recent post confirms I'm correct.how could 1 be a champion when mistakes are repeated?

how could 1 be a champion when mistakes are repeated?

How can one liken his LD rivalry to Nadal/Federer when one has yet to even win a Major? ;)

wow...so fast, beware of all the heated debate here..
from whom? i don't think so.. pemuda is no longer here due to his holiday at hawaii beach..:cool::D:D

How can one liken his LD rivalry to Nadal/Federer when one has yet to even win a Major? ;)
Who is comparing it btw?:confused:

i think maybe datuk play very hard yesterday with vietnam player so he still feel tired proberly and some more datuk keep focus on beating lindan but not sony so suddenly he loose focus so lose to sony ...............................

Aiyta just like I predicted :).
Same old story hehe.

Mentally tougher says some fans ;)

Who is comparing it btw?:confused:

LCW himself compared his LD rivalry to Nadal v Federer...

but today datuk play no so confident when i watch just now keep making mistake

woah sian.... sad... LCW is out than LD sure win liao... cos no one can win him liao...

i think maybe datuk play very hard yesterday with vietnam player so he still feel tired proberly and some more datuk keep focus on beating lindan but not sony so suddenly he loose focus so lose to sony ...............................

don't you go giving excuse for LCW, dear... others will un-bullet proof us all... it's fact and fate that he lost to his own self... no need to add to that...:D:p:D

p/s: thank god, the commander is now gone... hope Dato. H won't respond to this:D;)

This is very very bad news to me...haiz..

This is very very bad news to me...haiz..


It happens before, right? We just have to endure it and move on...:D;)

LM jinxed him I'm afraid and PSH....
what a farce

LCW himself compared his LD rivalry to Nadal v Federer...
oh, really? can u give me the link?

watever it is, life must still goes on.;)
already 5 pages and 74 posts ;)

Better luck next year for LCW as WC planned to held annualy :eek:
He doesn't have to wait for two full year anymore :rolleyes:

as INA fan, i think i speak for all of us when i say: Job well done, Sony!
to mas fans, a very fierce competition that match was. although i'd say pls stop giving lcw excuses e.g. he's too tired; he lost to himself and all the usual BS. you guys are making him look bad. he lost fair and square. Sony was the better man on the court. Too bad he wont progress further than a bronze medal as LD is in a superb form.

Hey nick, don't go intentionally misunderstand me and putting my words to your example... that's what bad press did :P... I have no intention of giving excuse for him... I believe we, his fans, who watched his lost, saluted Sony...LCW lost cos of himself definitely, for not being able to overcome the many pressures from sony and yes, sony plays well and lcw not... i didn't exclude sony achievements if you read from the beginning... it's a fair game alright... don't you become a bad press here ^-^

That is not going to happen...I am willing to bet my goldfish on that, add my rabbit to the bet too...LOL!!:p:D

You see, some fan trying to divert attention elsewhere...get someone else to be the scapegoat.....:rolleyes:

It has nothing to do with confidence. LCW was playing his bloody best. Kuncoro was magnificent with his game -- he brought his "AAA" game with him. His drop shots were nothing shot of superb.

Even the staunchest of LCW fans, namely me :) , will not feel too bad. Aloha Sony, you deserve to go on and win this one (to replace the one you missed out in 2007).

these comments are gracious and fair. I watched the game live on TV. Sony just play most of his game flawless, and able to return almost every shot from LCW.

there are times LCW appeared to be lost and don't know what weapons he could further display to attack Sony... In fact LCW didn't have many unforced error...

maybe this is what I mentioned in other thread in the past few days, backfired by what LCW and his coach's lack of respect to players other than LD... signified by LCW's purposely private training with LM just 10 days before the competition...

I am wondering will LCW have another lash out against the pressures put on him like by his coach who said LD is the only player having any chance of stopping the unstoppable LCW.

WOW. So actually it was a case of Sony being just too good and outplaying LCW? (thereby forcing LCW to go for too much = forced errors)???

Amazing...

Sony was sad that his coach left him for rival territory and he wants to make sure he remembers the best of what coach Hendrawan imparted to him and tonight he let it all go....LM or no LM regardless. :cool:

I thought the lack of respect issue is resolved... I really hate seeing this baseless claim coming out again & again.... no one is disrespecting no one... like china coach said LD is superior than LCW... would you say he disrespecting others as well?... come on la... there's other words for that like, underestimate, over confident etc... LCW did have unforced errors when he panic quite a number of time.. Sony is way ahead of LCW today.. he definitely did his homework before hand...

I am wondering will LCW have another lash out against the pressures put on him like by his coach who said LD is the only player having any chance of stopping the unstoppable LCW.

Nope, LCw didnt have another lash out, not against his beloved Misbun or Rashid or BAM or......... And Misbun did mention the other players that LCW have to be careful of, you all didnt follow the developments...;)

(not directed to volcom) ..And LYB did mention in press interview....LD is more superior to LCW, but doesnt mean anybody is direspecting anybody.

LCW struggled to play when the scores were level or he was behind once he got a few points ahead he started to flow a bit. He looked to have great physical condition and speed but was unable to use it because he didn't control the rallies, while he can retreive almost any shot he often fails to take the shuttle early and to control the rally. I didn't think Kuncoro played amazingly but did play smart and with confidence. Playing Lin Dan is in some ways easy for LCW since the game will be fast and furious but I think the match today will have shown a lot of the other players that LCW is very beatable.

The way in which LCW fell away at the end and didn't put up a fight may leave some scars as well.

oh by the way, it's not "... purposely private training with LM just 10 days before the competition"... he need to escape the tedious phone calls invitations etc... no private traning, just escape route... you need to read from Malaysian Press first when it comes to Malaysian players... press here dont praise them when don't deserve it... althought some time sounds bitter to accept but I share same opinion with what's reported by the star thus far...

Hey nick, don't go intentionally misunderstand me and putting my words to your example... that's what bad press did :P... I have no intention of giving excuse for him... I believe we, his fans, who watched his lost, saluted Sony...LCW lost cos of himself definitely, for not being able to overcome the many pressures from sony and yes, sony plays well and lcw not... i didn't exclude sony achievements if you read from the beginning... it's a fair game alright... don't you become a bad press here ^-^

i wrote according to what i thought was appropriate at the given moment :o. there was no intentional/unintentional misunderstanding:cool:. i read, i saw, i wrote, its as simple as that, mate.
i appreciate all who saluted sony for his win. lcw also showed good sportsmanship, losing graciously. surely sony also had butterflies in his shorts facing the world no.1
im really trying to avoid heated arguments here, but i still dont understand how one could loose to one-self?isnt that jst another way of making up excuses?:cool: lcw lost because sony was able to penetrate through his defense. thats all there is to it. but then again, everyone's opinion is their own right?:rolleyes::D peace!:D:D

these comments are gracious and fair. I watched the game live on TV. Sony just play most of his game flawless, and able to return almost every shot from LCW.

there are times LCW appeared to be lost and don't know what weapons he could further display to attack Sony... In fact LCW didn't have many unforced error...

maybe this is what I mentioned in other thread in the past few days, backfired by what LCW and his coach's lack of respect to players other than LD... signified by LCW's purposely private training with LM just 10 days before the competition...
u must have forgotten to read his previous gracious and fair comments

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1218761&postcount=110

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1218784&postcount=112If he does not win, I will seal my lips forever !:D

But if he does, do me a favor, Seal yours !:D



http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1219309&postcount=119

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73038&page=13

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1220531&postcount=135

Concur this. LCW hasn't impressed me since day one.

I hate to admit it, but to those who follows since day 1: dunno if you guys will agree with me, I seriously think LCW is not at his best despite what the press reported... deep down I can see he losing early... a close encounter in the 2nd game with NTM shows it all... NTM, I believe was too tired to keep pace with LCW. He definitely can upset LCW in his best form... I can see other players adopting LCW's ways of playing... eventually, LCW will lose if he didn't work out for something more, cos people are looking forward to play against him and beat him... they definitely have practiced well in achieving that... and sony did just that...

LCW struggled to play when the scores were level or he was behind once he got a few points ahead he started to flow a bit. He looked to have great physical condition and speed but was unable to use it because he didn't control the rallies, while he can retreive almost any shot he often fails to take the shuttle early and to control the rally. I didn't think Kuncoro played amazingly but did play smart and with confidence. Playing Lin Dan is in some ways easy for LCW since the game will be fast and furious but I think the match today will have shown a lot of the other players that LCW is very beatable.

The way in which LCW fell away at the end and didn't put up a fight may leave some scars as well.

I didn't watch the match but was surprised with only 12 points he scored in the final game. It does seem that he "didn't put up a fight" but reports here seem to indicate that he was still "fit", which is a surprise. Or did his 'famous' mental weakness continue to play up in that crucial rubber? :rolleyes:

Towards the end he seemed to have really lost the plot mentally and didn't seem to know what to do. His physical condition looked ffar superior to kuncoro throughout, if LCW had been able to extend the rallies he would have won I'm sure but Kuncoro just controlled the pace and looked for net play never really trying to smash LCW off the court which is the mistake many make.

At some points LCW was getting weak lifts from Kuncoro and was hitting them out or hitting clears!

[quote=dlp;1231441]Towards the end he seemed to have really lost the plot mentally and didn't seem to know what to do. ....quote]

maybe it's because he's already too focused on the forthcoming match with LD in mind... as LD should be the only one in his mind....:p

u must have forgotten to read his previous gracious and fair comments


:eek::eek::eek:

maybe it's time that he's learning to be gracious and fair to avoid having the lips sealled.....:D

i wrote according to what i thought was appropriate at the given moment :o. there was no intentional/unintentional misunderstanding:cool:. i read, i saw, i wrote, its as simple as that, mate.
i appreciate all who saluted sony for his win. lcw also showed good sportsmanship, losing graciously. surely sony also had butterflies in his shorts facing the world no.1
im really trying to avoid heated arguments here, but i still dont understand how one could loose to one-self?isnt that jst another way of making up excuses?:cool: lcw lost because sony was able to penetrate through his defense. thats all there is to it. but then again, everyone's opinion is their own right?:rolleyes::D peace!:D:D

that's why nick you need to read more... one will lose to oneself cos every actions, thoughts, mistakes, errors, judgments that lead to a lost definitely comes from oneself ... and add the smart opponent to that...walla, you got ones total lost, fair and square...:p

it's definitely not my way of making excuses.... he lost... sony won... that's what I said... if you want to use my quote, when i said he lost to his own self, you must add my other quote on sony in other posts which I find tiring to re-write in the post you took the first quote :D from (i'm still currently working you see:o)... my mistake not writing in full and misled you...;)

Concur this. LCW hasn't impressed me since day one.

sorry if I misled you, but my comment does not mean he didn't impressed me in some of his shots during the 1st day to the bitter QF end;) I just feel he will lose early... my intuition and his body language says it all:D:p:D

oh by the way, it's not "... purposely private training with LM just 10 days before the competition"... he need to escape the tedious phone calls invitations etc... no private traning, just escape route... you need to read from Malaysian Press first when it comes to Malaysian players... press here dont praise them when don't deserve it... althought some time sounds bitter to accept but I share same opinion with what's reported by the star thus far...

why didn't he escape to Maldives?? why didn't he just cut off the phone calls?? why didn't he just, like the Chinese team, as mentioned by Sidek, hide away??? :confused::confused::confused:

are you saying that Malaysian Press are always fair when comes to Malaysian players??? come on... :)

bad boy SDK, he had taken away a chance for LD to add one more to his head to head record with lcw:p

that's why nick you need to read more... one will lose to oneself cos every actions, thoughts, mistakes, errors, judgments that lead to a lost definitely comes from oneself ... and add the smart opponent to that...walla, you got ones total lost, fair and square...:p

it's definitely not my way of making excuses.... he lost... sony won... that's what I said... if you want to use my quote, when i said he lost to his own self, you must add my other quote on sony in other posts which I find tiring to re-write in the post you took the first quote :D from (i'm still currently working you see:o)... my mistake not writing in full and misled you...;)

... and also Sony just won his own self, not won LCW, not won anything... :confused::confused: ... aahh, I forgot that there is always a net in front when people playing badminton on court... so whenever we play badminton, we just play our own selves... now I know what is badminton... :D:D

Of course he did some great shots... But my feeling is that his overall form is not as good as, say, in last year's OG or Super Series Final.

sorry if I misled you, but my comment does not mean he didn't impressed me in some of his shots during the 1st day to the bitter QF end;) I just feel he will lose early... my intuition and his body language says it all:D:p:D

bad boy SDK, he had taken away a chance for LD to add one more to his head to head record with lcw:p

don't blame SDK, it's good boy LCW, he's just smart enough to protect his head-to-head record with LD from worsening... :D:D

Of course he did some great shots... But my feeling is that his overall form is not as good as, say, in last year's OG or Super Series Final.

Don't talk about the SSF. Maybe another joke. The top CHN brigade not there lah! :D

don't blame SDK, it's good boy LCW, he's just smart enough to protect his head-to-head record with LD from worsening... :D:Djust for that, LD will add SDK to his head to head record against SDK:p

Just watched the game. Both players were played well in the first 2 sets.
It looked like LCW became more tentative and nervous as the game drew on while Sony seemed more relax and was hitting those confident winners.
I get this feeling that LCW lost it mentally in game 3 due to the pressure of wanting to land a major title. It's those self induced pressure which led to an eventual collapse.

why didn't he escape to Maldives?? why didn't he just cut off the phone calls?? why didn't he just, like the Chinese team, as mentioned by Sidek, hide away??? :confused::confused::confused:

go to Maldives then practice baddy with jaws and whales? oh, and mermaids??? yeah right!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

That's why la Jon, you need to read a lot... how to cut phone calls when at home, he got datukship ma... expected to answer phone calls from various parties with influences.... no excuse... you know, when you in korea, Malaysia's local network providers wont be able to contact your local number cos, ehem, the hp in korea has built in sim card... like in Japan... you need to rent one if you wanna use hp for calling during your trip... I'm not sure if gprs is working there but the last time I went there, my hp and sim card were totally useless... so, in conclusion, he definitely successful in cutting off all the phone calls while in korea... he got good excuse also to back him up for denying those calls:D:p (dunno if this true la but he did mention his hp was more quiet and he could focus in training... but yeah he lost anyway:o)

are you saying that Malaysian Press are always fair when comes to Malaysian players??? come on... :)

Fair? always? no lah... but press is press... we know how they works la... at times the players also must be responsible of their actions (like when they lost...) that's why press is being harsh on them when they lose... like i said bitter to accept cos we hope so much of them... press are often exaggerating but you need to read beyond that exaggeration to get only the main points which they need, before they could write the whole news and exaggerate... :p

Again, the 'incident' happened clearly stated that DLCW is still not the best badminton player in the world currently. His No.1 seat is not because of his capabilities, but hardworking. This is same with the WD's pair - CEH/WPT.

Losing a game is not something shameful. But as World's No.1 player, you should have done better in the tournament, especially in Major Championship like WC.

Beating NTM is nothing, because he is not in the same level with DLCW. But the fans is absolutely delighted about the 'achievement'.

Again, the match against SDK shows us that DLCW's mentality problems - a problems that haunted BAM and MAS players for years.

But, MAS will be able to win the title if not next year, next next year, and years to come....no worries.

Don't talk about the SSF. Maybe another joke. The top CHN brigade not there lah! :D

ya la uncle.. top CHN brigade not there every winner is actually loser:p:D

... and also Sony just won his own self, not won LCW, not won anything... :confused::confused: ... aahh, I forgot that there is always a net in front when people playing badminton on court... so whenever we play badminton, we just play our own selves... now I know what is badminton... :D:D


are you trying to be a bad press here by manipulating my words????? You just love it don't you, bad press all the way... that's why you and I are different... you see things one sided ... grow up then you'll have better understanding of what I really mean... not some trash understanding as stated above.... and I have resolved this issue with Nick, case closed...:cool:

Don't talk about the SSF. Maybe another joke. The top CHN brigade not there lah! :D

Correct. The absent of CHN player makes difference. Not like Singapore players ('foreign talented players'), participate or not, makes no difference.

I wonder which party/ authority is responsible for the paid of expense on the 10-days holidays to Korea............

It has nothing to do with confidence. LCW was playing his bloody best. Kuncoro was magnificent with his game -- he brought his "AAA" game with him. His drop shots were nothing shot of superb.

Even the staunchest of LCW fans, namely me :) , will not feel too bad. Aloha Sony, you deserve to go on and win this one (to replace the one you missed out in 2007).
..wow, X Ball, i guess you didn't mind Sony winning over LCW...Sounds like you're at peace with yourself over LCW's loss..Did you see this coming??..
i remember SKD showing incredible form in a major tournament and pushing LD in the final...forget which tournament though.... could have been a WC??
WC 2007......,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
..in that 2007 WC edition, it was the first time Sony had ever played in a Final Rd. of a major tourney. I could tell from his body language that he wasn't ready for it. He tried his best in the 2nd game to force a 3rd game but came up short.
very interesting loss...
lcw beat sony pretty bad at the olympics and that is arguably a bigger tournament. now all of a sudden he loses?? weird. i didn't think sony would pose any threat to lcw hahah.
damn!! i was really looking forward to a lcw/ld semi-final
I never expected Sony to have a chance. I thought that this, out of all the MS SFs would have had the most obvious outcome (being LCW winning). Sony is so up and down, he's seemingly been down for quite awhile... but then out of nowhere - this! He can play a brilliant match/tournament every now and then, but it's rather rare :(. He knows when to make it happen though :).
..there's always something called "extra motivation(s)"..;)

Btw, thanks to those who've shared what they saw on tv. Sounds like an exciting match; hope it'll be up soon on the video sharing section.:cool:

SDK is no small fish... but ppl expect datuk to win for datuk has been in form of his life after the OG08...

ups & down lol

LCW has an Olympic Silver Medal, but note that Sony has an Olympic Bronze Medal and Sony has gone to the World Championship finals too... he is faarrr from being a pushover... :cool:

LCW went to Korea for 10 days or so to prepare for this tournament... Sony also spent around 10 days or so in Surabaya to prepare for his wedding... :p I think the Surabaya trip was apparently more beneficial... :p Maybe Sony's time with his new bride 'relaxes' him a lot :p

....I personally saw that Sony loves and appreciates his wife a lot... it is very possible she is the kind of wife that can lift her husband's competitive spirit... ;) :cool: If so, then I hope to see Sony's career prosper even more from now on! :cool:

Spoilers man, please don't put match results in the forum thread title, I was going to surf badminton video sharing to see some latest videos.

Would really have liked to see SDK vs LCW without knowing the results beforehand...

Gross.

It's a standard operating procedure here, man... new threads come popping out of nowhere due to match results... :p

Cos we are updating live from the court! kekeke... Video sharing will come much later... :D

Back in WC 2007 when Xie XF lost to Wong MC, I lived up to my words and changed my log-in name to bananakid from bananaboy. Now let see if this dude will live up to his own words:

If he does not win, I will seal my lips forever !:D

But if he does, do me a favor, Seal yours !:D

Nope, apparently not... since he already posted in this thread. Loser...:mad:

If you don't dream, you will never be happy. One dashed dream does not mean there won't many more.:D Look out for more -- come Sunday, two Malaysians will be standing on the podium.;)

I think it is time LYD-JJS get their World Championship title in MD... :cool: The MAS players might stand on the podium, but not on the top podium...

Back in WC 2007 when Xie XF lost to Wong MC, I lived up to my words and changed my log-in name to bananakid from bananaboy. Now let see if this dude will live up to his own words:

Nope, apparently not... since he already posted in this thread. Loser...:mad:

I never heard X Ball opened his/her lips at all. He/she just wrote using his/her fingers while not opening any lips.. ;)

I never heard X Ball opened his/her lips at all. He/she just wrote using his/her fingers while not opening any lips.. ;)

LOL... picking on words, aren't you. haha:p

So, in that case, is he going to undergo a lips-sealing surgery to live up to his words then?:cool:

Spoilers man, please don't put match results in the forum thread title, I was going to surf badminton video sharing to see some latest videos.

Would really have liked to see SDK vs LCW without knowing the results beforehand...

Gross.

Same here. That should be a good match to watch without knowing the result. :o

woah sian.... sad... LCW is out than LD sure win liao... cos no one can win him liao...

Still a possible upset here........from SDK or TH....;)

well im not trying to be a wet blanket
but even if LCW prevails over SDK, i don think he can get thru LD
and its not to say LD is a better player but its just tat LD knows how to defeat LCW

i believed over the months training, LD concentrated on LCW gameplay becoz they view him as the main challenger
and now tat LCW is out, i do believe SDK has higher chance to beat LD
we will see it today

there is also TH tat is very capable of putting a stop to LD supremacy if SDK failed as i think CJ is not able to get the better of TH(TH seems to be in good form for this WC)

well if could be an all indonesian final from wat i feel.
anyway may the best player wins.. and keep the sportmanship

Correct. The absent of CHN player makes difference. Not like Singapore players ('foreign talented players'), participate or not, makes no difference.

Dato A,........thats really hurt lah............dont be like that mah...! :D

I watched the match. Sony had the best game of his life. His drops were killers. LCW had nothing to blame except his lack of confidence in big games and sheer pressure to win big tourneys.

I am so so so sad LCW is out:mad:

Correct. The absent of CHN player makes difference. Not like Singapore players ('foreign talented players'), participate or not, makes no difference.

Don't worry about tiny Singapore. We're doing okay with our foreign talent policy, much better in many areas than many countries, not just in badminton and other sports where they contributed to putting Singapore's name in the international sports map, including the Olympics. And because of our interest, even China's most famous sports company, Li Ning, made its first overseas venture to Singapore and sponsored our national badminton team and an international tournament at year-end. Li Ning can be considered a foreign talented company and we are very happy with their contribution. :)

We are so overwhelmed by our foreign talents' contributions of sports success and how it positively influenced our own local talents and sports loving people that we have taken the rare and bold road to bid for and won the right to host the inaugural Youth Olympic Games next August, 2010. We just reminded ourselves yesterday of such a rare opportunity by having a big party at the City Hall and the Padang with Omega as sponsors of the YOG digital clock to tell the time and number of days remaining to the actual historic date.

Many people from neighbouring countries have joined us to make a contribution to Singapore's success and we welcome their participation. They do make a difference! :D Well this is unlike one country which restricted the contributions of even its own citizens and talents because they are not from the dominant race. ;)

And I can see our foreign talent policy is getting better by the day. The best thing is that some of these foreign talents eventually become Singapore citizens like all pioneers of Singapore who came from foreign shores - China, India, Indonesia, Middle East, even Malaysia and others. It was real nice to see the new citizens taking the Singapore Pledge and singing the National Anthem during our just concluded and most eventful 44th National Day Parade celebrations at the Marina Bay floating platform. They will help Singapore make up the numbers "to build a democratic society based on justice and equality". :p

Some people have double standards. They criticise Singapore for its foreign imports yet they readily import foreign coaches to strengthen their sports prowess lest they should decline into oblivion! For this WC they even set an unprecedented standard by sending its WR1 to receive extra coaching by a rival country's coach to try to justify his world #1 ranking. But this move has backfired and the pitiful player crumbled at the crucial moment and was knocked out as early as the QF by none other than an INA player, whose own coach was unfortunately poached by his opponent's country. What a wonderful revenge for Sony Dwi Kuncoro for having his own coach Hendrawan taken away from him recently.

What hypocritical talk about Singapore's foreign talent policy, hah! :rolleyes::D

We don't boast that our players will take the WC titles. We have no crystal balls. But we just try our best to give both foreign and local talents a chance to develop to their full potential within the limits of our own resources. And the higher standards of the foreign talents have rubbed off to our locals as local standards have generally gone up. A case in point is Derek Wong's R2 match against Simon Santoso in this WC which he lost in three games 13-31, 21-19, 16-21. Derek, whose WR was nowhere, was able to take a game off Simon and this is certainly an achievement. Compare his score with JPN's much higher-ranked Kenichi Tago who lost to Simon in straight games of 10-21, 12-21 in R3. This is despite Derek's limited exposure and inactivity as I believe he had to do time with National (military) Service earlier. :)

So please stop being a hypocrite Datuk, oh it should be Dato instead! :D:D:D

LCW has an Olympic Silver Medal, but note that Sony has an Olympic Bronze Medal and Sony has gone to the World Championship finals too... he is faarrr from being a pushover... :cool:

LCW went to Korea for 10 days or so to prepare for this tournament... Sony also spent around 10 days or so in Surabaya to prepare for his wedding... :p I think the Surabaya trip was apparently more beneficial... :p Maybe Sony's time with his new bride 'relaxes' him a lot :p

....I personally saw that Sony loves and appreciates his wife a lot... it is very possible she is the kind of wife that can lift her husband's competitive spirit... ;) :cool: If so, then I hope to see Sony's career prosper even more from now on! :cool:

The truth is out! :D

Back in WC 2007 when Xie XF lost to Wong MC, I lived up to my words and changed my log-in name to bananakid from bananaboy. Now let see if this dude will live up to his own words:



Nope, apparently not... since he already posted in this thread. Loser...:mad:

What can you expect from a shattered Crystal Ball? :rolleyes::D:D:D:D:D

I never heard X Ball opened his/her lips at all. He/she just wrote using his/her fingers while not opening any lips.. ;)

Well it might be better if he was a she. Then there's reason for a good plastic surgery makeover on his face to change his features incognito. :D

LCW has an Olympic Silver Medal, but note that Sony has an Olympic Bronze Medal and Sony has gone to the World Championship finals too... he is faarrr from being a pushover... :cool:

LCW went to Korea for 10 days or so to prepare for this tournament... Sony also spent around 10 days or so in Surabaya to prepare for his wedding... :p I think the Surabaya trip was apparently more beneficial... :p Maybe Sony's time with his new bride 'relaxes' him a lot :p

....I personally saw that Sony loves and appreciates his wife a lot... it is very possible she is the kind of wife that can lift her husband's competitive spirit... ;) :cool: If so, then I hope to see Sony's career prosper even more from now on! :cool:

Hi Krisna,

Points well said!! Salute!:):):)

Don't worry about tiny Singapore. We're doing okay with our foreign talent policy, much better in many areas than many countries, not just in badminton and other sports where they contributed to putting Singapore's name in the international sports map, including the Olympics. And because of our interest, even China's most famous sports company, Li Ning, made its first overseas venture to Singapore and sponsored our national badminton team and an international tournament at year-end. Li Ning can be considered a foreign talented company and we are very happy with their contribution. :)

We are so overwhelmed by our foreign talents' contributions of sports success and how it positively influenced our own local talents and sports loving people that we have taken the rare and bold road to bid for and won the right to host the inaugural Youth Olympic Games next August, 2010. We just reminded ourselves yesterday of such a rare opportunity by having a big party at the City Hall and the Padang with Omega as sponsors of the YOG digital clock to tell the time and number of days remaining to the actual historic date.

Many people from neighbouring countries have joined us to make a contribution to Singapore's success and we welcome their participation. They do make a difference! :D Well this is unlike one country which restricted the contributions of even its own citizens and talents because they are not from the dominant race. ;)

And I can see our foreign talent policy is getting better by the day. The best thing is that some of these foreign talents eventually become Singapore citizens like all pioneers of Singapore who came from foreign shores - China, India, Indonesia, Middle East, even Malaysia and others. It was real nice to see the new citizens taking the Singapore Pledge and singing the National Anthem during our just concluded and most eventful 44th National Day Parade celebrations at the Marina Bay floating platform. They will help Singapore make up the numbers "to build a democratic society based on justice and equality". :p

Some people have double standards. They criticise Singapore for its foreign imports yet they readily import foreign coaches to strengthen their sports prowess lest they should decline into oblivion! For this WC they even set an unprecedented standard by sending its WR1 to receive extra coaching by a rival country's coach to try to justify his world #1 ranking. But this move has backfired and the pitiful player crumbled at the crucial moment and was knocked out as early as the QF by none other than an INA player, whose own coach was unfortunately poached by his opponent's country. What a wonderful revenge for Sony Dwi Kuncoro for having his own coach Hendrawan taken away from him recently.

What hypocritical talk about Singapore's foreign talent policy, hah! :rolleyes::D

We don't boast that our players will take the WC titles. We have no crystal balls. But we just try our best to give both foreign and local talents a chance to develop to their full potential within the limits of our own resources. And the higher standards of the foreign talents have rubbed off to our locals as local standards have generally gone up. A case in point is Derek Wong's R2 match against Simon Santoso in this WC which he lost in three games 13-31, 21-19, 16-21. Derek, whose WR was nowhere, was able to take a game off Simon and this is certainly an achievement. Compare his score with JPN's much higher-ranked Kenichi Tago who lost to Simon in straight games of 10-21, 12-21 in R3. This is despite Derek's limited exposure and inactivity as I believe he had to do time with National (military) Service earlier. :)

So please stop being a hypocrite Datuk, oh it should be Dato instead! :D:D:D

Different country peoples, different mentality.

Since this is a badminton thread, just talk abt badminton lah Uncle. Uncle can put all the super-duper praise words in a thread that is created by you yourself at chit-chat section.

Different country peoples, different mentality.

Since this is a badminton thread, just talk abt badminton lah Uncle. Uncle can put all the super-duper praise words in a thread that is created by you yourself at chit-chat section.

If you don't like it, then don't start it,,,:D

Applauds to Loh's reply on FTP.
Like it. :D

lol, seems that everyone is so 'worried and cares' about lee chong wei's defeat yesterday..that's good:D
and the debates still goes on.:cool:;):)

And I can see our foreign talent policy is getting better by the day. The best thing is that some of these foreign talents eventually become Singapore citizens like all pioneers of Singapore who came from foreign shores - China, India, Indonesia, Middle East, even Malaysia and others. It was real nice to see the new citizens taking the Singapore Pledge and singing the National Anthem during our just concluded and most eventful 44th National Day Parade celebrations at the Marina Bay floating platform. They will help Singapore make up the numbers "to build a democratic society based on justice and equality". :p

Some people have double standards. They criticise Singapore for its foreign imports yet they readily import foreign coaches to strengthen their sports prowess lest they should decline into oblivion! For this WC they even set an unprecedented standard by sending its WR1 to receive extra coaching by a rival country's coach to try to justify his world #1 ranking. But this move has backfired and the pitiful player crumbled at the crucial moment and was knocked out as early as the QF by none other than an INA player, whose own coach was unfortunately poached by his opponent's country. What a wonderful revenge for Sony Dwi Kuncoro for having his own coach Hendrawan taken away from him recently.

What hypocritical talk about Singapore's foreign talent policy, hah! :rolleyes::D


Yup... if 'foreign talent' is considered a taboo, then many other nations are guilty too. Zidane is a 'foreign talent' for France. Kaka, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho's ancestors were not from Brazil. The families of Carl Lewis, Mike Tyson, Serena Williams, Kobe Bryant, even John McEnroe, Michael Chang, Kristi Yamaguchi were all not from the American continent...

Heck, even the INA players' families were once deemed 'foreign immigrants'... Joe Hok, Rudy, King, Christian, Tjun Tjun, Ivana, Lius, Susy, Alan, Ardy, Hariyanto, Hendrawan, Candra, Tony, Hendra, Simon, Greysia, Vita, Liliyana, Fran, Edo, Lingga, Debby etc.

Heck, even CHN used Wang Wenzhou, Tang Xianhu, Hou Jiajiang, Fang Kaixiang, Liang Chiuxia, etc. they were all Indonesians... :p Thus, they were 'foreign talents' for CHN then...

Correct. The absent of CHN player makes difference. Not like Singapore players ('foreign talented players'), participate or not, makes no difference.
lol, lol..i nearly laugh till my pants drop after seeing this post..:p
I wonder which party/ authority is responsible for the paid of expense on the 10-days holidays to Korea............
surely there are some parties..:cool::cool:

Different country peoples, different mentality.

Since this is a badminton thread, just talk abt badminton lah Uncle. Uncle can put all the super-duper praise words in a thread that is created by you yourself at chit-chat section.
haha dato oh dato, u should just give uncle some chance la in terms of this..instead of taruk him, he taruk you this time with a long essay..hahaha...lol:D:D
Applauds to Loh's reply on FTP.
Like it. :D
so did u enjoy the entertainment here?:p

Yup... if 'foreign talent' is considered a taboo, then many other nations are guilty too. Zidane is a 'foreign talent' for France. Kaka, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho's ancestors were not from Brazil. The families of Carl Lewis, Mike Tyson, Serena Williams, Kobe Bryant, even John McEnroe, Michael Chang, Kristi Yamaguchi were all not from the American continent...

Heck, even the INA players' families were once deemed 'foreign immigrants'... Joe Hok, Rudy, King, Christian, Tjun Tjun, Ivana, Lius, Susy, Alan, Ardy, Hariyanto, Hendrawan, Candra, Tony, Hendra, Simon, Greysia, Vita, Liliyana, Fran, Edo, Lingga, Debby etc.

Heck, even CHN used Wang Wenzhou, Tang Xianhu, Hou Jiajiang, Fang Kaixian, Liang Chiuxia, etc. they were all Indonesians... :p Thus, they were 'foreign talents' for CHN then...
wow, that's a very good posts indeed, krisna..that shows that u have a great general knowledge:D:)

Hahaha kind of. :p
I'm a patriot you see, so Mr Dato's comment sort of put me off alittle. Hahaha.
Singapore's FTP has been an on and off topic for sometime.
I was just really happy to see that someone stood up to defend negative things said about our country's policy. :D

Hahaha kind of. :p
I'm a patriot you see, so Mr Dato's comment sort of put me off alittle. Hahaha.
Singapore's FTP has been an on and off topic for sometime.
I was just really happy to see that someone stood up to defend negative things said about our country's policy. :D

Thank you my dear. I'm on your side. :)

Yup... if 'foreign talent' is considered a taboo, then many other nations are guilty too. Zidane is a 'foreign talent' for France. Kaka, Ronaldo, Ronaldinho's ancestors were not from Brazil. The families of Carl Lewis, Mike Tyson, Serena Williams, Kobe Bryant, even John McEnroe, Michael Chang, Kristi Yamaguchi were all not from the American continent...

Heck, even the INA players' families were once deemed 'foreign immigrants'... Joe Hok, Rudy, King, Christian, Tjun Tjun, Ivana, Lius, Susy, Alan, Ardy, Hariyanto, Hendrawan, Candra, Tony, Hendra, Simon, Greysia, Vita, Liliyana, Fran, Edo, Lingga, Debby etc.

Heck, even CHN used Wang Wenzhou, Tang Xianhu, Hou Jiajiang, Fang Kaixiang, Liang Chiuxia, etc. they were all Indonesians... :p Thus, they were 'foreign talents' for CHN then...


"foreign talents" doesn't that meant talent from another country but a lot of the people mentioned above were born in their country which meant they should not be considered 'foreign' even though their parent were immigrants.?

..okay, for those who missed it, here is a link to their match's videos:
http://www.badmintonfreak.com/lee-chong-wei-sony-dwi-kuncuro-world-badminton-championship-2009-video/

"My Pegasus", "My boy"...;)

From what i observed, i thought LCW just didn't play his normal game and he certainly wasn't patient in his game. Case in point, in the 1st game, quite a few of Sony's pts came off of LCW's unforced errors. Same thing in the 3rd game, LCW just wasn't sharp. For some reason LCW wanted to finish the game off quickly. Maybe thinking too far ahead to his next match vs. Lin Dan??
Sony, OTOH, played his usual diligent style. Nothing fancy, just patience and a lot of hard work while waiting for the best opportune time to attack.

Should be interesting to see his approach in his upcoming match vs. Lin Dan.

uncle oh uncle, how long have u waited for this to 'explode'?:p lol, another long essay here..:p;) how's your pants yesterday?? :D:D

I must say your Uncle Loh how to tell people off but not himself.:D

I am wondering will LCW have another lash out against the pressures put on him like by his coach who said LD is the only player having any chance of stopping the unstoppable LCW.

There is no one from Australia to China with a more acid tongue than you.:D

u must have forgotten to read his previous gracious and fair comments

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1218761&postcount=110

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1218784&postcount=112



http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1219309&postcount=119

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=73038&page=13

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1220531&postcount=135

You always miss the point and always vindictive. It is so obvious but not to your self. Sad.

Thank you my dear. I'm on your side. :)

Just like justme_manda, I was annoyed by Dato's comment on Singapore. This thread was about LCW and for some unknown reasons :confused:, Dato commented on Singapore's FTP.

And to Loh, thanks for defending Singapore. I am a Singaporean too and a very proud one ! :)

Don't worry about tiny Singapore. We're doing okay with our foreign talent policy, much better in many areas than many countries, not just in badminton and other sports where they contributed to putting Singapore's name in the international sports map, including the Olympics. And because of our interest, even China's most famous sports company, Li Ning, made its first overseas venture to Singapore and sponsored our national badminton team and an international tournament at year-end. Li Ning can be considered a foreign talented company and we are very happy with their contribution. :)

We are so overwhelmed by our foreign talents' contributions of sports success and how it positively influenced our own local talents and sports loving people that we have taken the rare and bold road to bid for and won the right to host the inaugural Youth Olympic Games next August, 2010. We just reminded ourselves yesterday of such a rare opportunity by having a big party at the City Hall and the Padang with Omega as sponsors of the YOG digital clock to tell the time and number of days remaining to the actual historic date.

Many people from neighbouring countries have joined us to make a contribution to Singapore's success and we welcome their participation. They do make a difference! :D Well this is unlike one country which restricted the contributions of even its own citizens and talents because they are not from the dominant race. ;)

And I can see our foreign talent policy is getting better by the day. The best thing is that some of these foreign talents eventually become Singapore citizens like all pioneers of Singapore who came from foreign shores - China, India, Indonesia, Middle East, even Malaysia and others. It was real nice to see the new citizens taking the Singapore Pledge and singing the National Anthem during our just concluded and most eventful 44th National Day Parade celebrations at the Marina Bay floating platform. They will help Singapore make up the numbers "to build a democratic society based on justice and equality". :p

Some people have double standards. They criticise Singapore for its foreign imports yet they readily import foreign coaches to strengthen their sports prowess lest they should decline into oblivion! For this WC they even set an unprecedented standard by sending its WR1 to receive extra coaching by a rival country's coach to try to justify his world #1 ranking. But this move has backfired and the pitiful player crumbled at the crucial moment and was knocked out as early as the QF by none other than an INA player, whose own coach was unfortunately poached by his opponent's country. What a wonderful revenge for Sony Dwi Kuncoro for having his own coach Hendrawan taken away from him recently.

What hypocritical talk about Singapore's foreign talent policy, hah! :rolleyes::D

We don't boast that our players will take the WC titles. We have no crystal balls. But we just try our best to give both foreign and local talents a chance to develop to their full potential within the limits of our own resources. And the higher standards of the foreign talents have rubbed off to our locals as local standards have generally gone up. A case in point is Derek Wong's R2 match against Simon Santoso in this WC which he lost in three games 13-31, 21-19, 16-21. Derek, whose WR was nowhere, was able to take a game off Simon and this is certainly an achievement. Compare his score with JPN's much higher-ranked Kenichi Tago who lost to Simon in straight games of 10-21, 12-21 in R3. This is despite Derek's limited exposure and inactivity as I believe he had to do time with National (military) Service earlier. :)

So please stop being a hypocrite Datuk, oh it should be Dato instead! :D:D:D
Kendrick Lee's ranking is much higher than Susilo during OG98, but why SBA still sent Susilo to OG98? Why there was no public debate over this matter? Singapore really needs to treasure "born and bred" talents. It really broke Kendrick Lee's heart. Though Susilo managed to sent LD home during R1 of Athen Olympics, it doesn't mean that he can repeat the history by throwing LCW out during OG98 R1.
There is no sense of belonging if we sent the whole squad of ex-China national for table tennis. It should at least be represented by one born and bred Singaporean in the 3-women squad.

Kendrick Lee's ranking is much higher than Susilo during OG98, but why SBA still sent Susilo to OG98? Why there was no public debate over this matter? Singapore really needs to treasure "born and bred" talents. It really broke Kendrick Lee's heart. Though Susilo managed to sent LD home during R1 of Athen Olympics, it doesn't mean that he can repeat the history by throwing LCW out during OG98 R1.
There is no sense of belonging if we sent the whole squad of ex-China national for table tennis. It should at least be represented by one born and bred Singaporean in the 3-women squad.

Shd be OG 08.............Beijing...:D:D

Shd be OG 08.............Beijing...:D:D
Thanks for correction! It's typo. I meant OG08.

Kendrick Lee's ranking is much higher than Susilo during OG98, but why SBA still sent Susilo to OG98? Why there was no public debate over this matter? Singapore really needs to treasure "born and bred" talents. It really broke Kendrick Lee's heart. Though Susilo managed to sent LD home during R1 of Athen Olympics, it doesn't mean that he can repeat the history by throwing LCW out during OG98 R1.
There is no sense of belonging if we sent the whole squad of ex-China national for table tennis. It should at least be represented by one born and bred Singaporean in the 3-women squad.

Your sense of belonging is misguided. As long as the new migrant bears the Singapore spirit, you should feel proud of him. Over the last 20 years, you may want to know Singapore has taken in a lot of foreigners as citizens. Today, you would not know who they are as they are all assimilated well into the Singapore society - they are all Singaporeans.

All the chinese migrants are proud to play for Singapore in table tennis. But listening to you single them out as 'outsiders', imagine how they would feel

If you don't like it, then don't start it,,,:D

I am the one who started the things?

It's a true that Singapore players/ FT were unable to produce any good results in the badminton sports, at least at this moment, or even in 2-3 years time by now.

R32 rubber set against SS by Derek Wong is a good results? If yes, i would say your standard is too low. :p:p

Kendrick Lee's ranking is much higher than Susilo during OG98, but why SBA still sent Susilo to OG98? Why there was no public debate over this matter? Singapore really needs to treasure "born and bred" talents. It really broke Kendrick Lee's heart. Though Susilo managed to sent LD home during R1 of Athen Olympics, it doesn't mean that he can repeat the history by throwing LCW out during OG98 R1.
There is no sense of belonging if we sent the whole squad of ex-China national for table tennis. It should at least be represented by one born and bred Singaporean in the 3-women squad.

Good point.

I am instead waiting for the answer from someone on why still sending RS, the FT, instead Kendrick Lee, a Singapore-born player to play at OG08 since KL's ranked higher than RS?

Uncle Loh, what is your answer?

Your sense of belonging is misguided. As long as the new migrant bears the Singapore spirit, you should feel proud of him. Over the last 20 years, you may want to know Singapore has taken in a lot of foreigners as citizens. Today, you would not know who they are as they are all assimilated well into the Singapore society - they are all Singaporeans.

All the chinese migrants are proud to play for Singapore in table tennis. But listening to you single them out as 'outsiders', imagine how they would feel
I am proud of those immigrants but I just can't agree to send the whole team with ex-PRC. Sports is for citizens to enjoy and support and not the Ministers only. Through sports, we can build up the feeling of patriotism. Btw, I am one of the immigrants migrated from Malaysia after Singapore company hiring me from my Malaysia Uni. and I am Malaysia's die-hard fan as I was born and bred in Malaysia.

I am the one who started the things?

It's a true that Singapore players/ FT were unable to produce any good results in the badminton sports, at least at this moment, or even in 2-3 years time by now.

R32 rubber set against SS by Derek Wong is a good results? If yes, i would say your standard is too low. :p:p

Don't worry Dato, our standards are so low that we can only improve. :D

I think you have not followed the badminton scene that closely as last year Singapore's FT girls made history by being the only non-CHN girls to capture the World Junior Championship WD title. I think there was a year during the Southeast Asian Games when our women badminton team captured the gold medal. ;)

To me Derek Wong is our local talent who has produced the best result in this WC although he was defeated by the much higher-ranked and very experienced Simon. But he did better than Tago who did not win any game against Simon. Derek could only improve if he continues to train hard. Time is on his side.

Compared to your World#1, Derek is nowhere. But if your highly rated and much talked about WR1, who is expected to take the WC title cannot even beat Sony in this WC despite having another foreign coach to help him, then there's not much to talk about.

Better not to be boastful about your standards and learn from the better ones. ;):D

Back in WC 2007 when Xie XF lost to Wong MC, I lived up to my words and changed my log-in name to bananakid from bananaboy. Now let see if this dude will live up to his own words:



Nope, apparently not... since he already posted in this thread. Loser...:mad:

You are so naive. I meant zip my lips on the favourable commenting of LCW. Surely, not seal my lips against you or your 'sound alikes':rolleyes:

oh, really? can u give me the link?

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/2347-LEAD/Article/

a little premature to be making such statements, no? ;)

hmmm, how come this thread suddenyl talking abt Spore foreign talent or sthing like that??? Maybe I in wrong thread :p

I am proud of those immigrants but I just can't agree to send the whole team with ex-PRC. Sports is for citizens to enjoy and support and not the Ministers only. Through sports, we can build up the feeling of patriotism. Btw, I am one of the immigrants migrated from Malaysia after Singapore company hiring me from my Malaysia Uni. and I am Malaysia's die-hard fan as I was born and bred in Malaysia.

Team selection is a very tricky matter as many factors have to be taken into account. Malaysia's yo-yo king has been selected to represent his country so many times despite his unpredictable performance, yet there is not much that his teammates can say about.

I'm not sure whether you are a Singapore citizen, probably you are a PR now but it would have been better for you to remain a Malaysian and not try to say bad things about Singapore that may not be true but only create further misunderstandings. You should be thankful that you are accepted and have a job in Singapore. ;)

You have your own opinion, we have ours and this is not the thread to discuss such matters. You are in the wrong thread. We have discussed the subject of FTs at great lengths before if you care to do a search. :rolleyes:

Your sense of belonging is misguided. As long as the new migrant bears the Singapore spirit, you should feel proud of him. Over the last 20 years, you may want to know Singapore has taken in a lot of foreigners as citizens. Today, you would not know who they are as they are all assimilated well into the Singapore society - they are all Singaporeans.

All the chinese migrants are proud to play for Singapore in table tennis. But listening to you single them out as 'outsiders', imagine how they would feel

Good try Crystal Ball. :D
Probably this guy is as Malaysian as you are and try to stir up trouble again on the much discussed FT we had quite some time ago. He's too lazy to do a seach and mess up our thread here! :(

Good point.

I am instead waiting for the answer from someone on why still sending RS, the FT, instead Kendrick Lee, a Singapore-born player to play at OG08 since KL's ranked higher than RS?

Uncle Loh, what is your answer?

Dato, you like to waste time on something that was history just because you mentioned FT here.

This guy comes out of the blue and discusses something that was history and unrelated to this thread and you want me to waste time on him or on you? He's got an axe to grind like you but I'm not going to fall for it. :D:D:D

Dato, you like to waste time on something that was history just because you mentioned FT here.

This guy comes out of the blue and discusses something that was history and unrelated to this thread and you want me to waste time on him or on you? He's got an axe to grind like you but I'm not going to fall for it. :D:D:D

Actually i didnt expect your answer from this so-called history issue.

We close the FT discussing here. Stop. Silent.

I am sorry to bringing out this issue.

Actually i didnt expect your answer from this so-called history issue.

We close the FT discussing here. Stop. Silent.

I am sorry to bringing out this issue.

Thank you for your understanding. :)

i'm going to write to asstro to make a point and fire that silly john commentator.
how can one be so bias? a really professional one shld just comment on the technical aspects of the game, offering trivia/tid-bits wherever appropriate.
not acting like a fan boy for which nobody wants to hear.

i'm going to write to asstro to make a point and fire that silly john commentator.
how can one be so bias? a really professional one shld just comment on the technical aspects of the game, offering trivia/tid-bits wherever appropriate.
not acting like a fan boy for which nobody wants to hear.

O.O i thought he's always been like that??

i'm going to write to asstro to make a point and fire that silly john commentator.
how can one be so bias? a really professional one shld just comment on the technical aspects of the game, offering trivia/tid-bits wherever appropriate.
not acting like a fan boy for which nobody wants to hear.

That John dude is an idiot:mad:... just listen to him during the LCW vs Nguyen match.

John "LCW has beaten Lin Dan in many occasions"
Hey moron, have you checked the head to head record between the two before you made such a stupid comment? Lin Dan'w winning ratio against LCW is at least 60+% Stop being so bias.:mad:

"We will see his(LCW) pegasus high jump shot"
LCW may have a face that looks like a horse, but he certainly does not have wings on his back, or else how could Sony.D sent him packing home in this year's world championship?:mad:

"In the super series final, he(LCW) picked up the biggest cheque in badminton by beating Taufik Hidayat"
Dude, "people may think you are idiot if you know nothing and say nothing, but once if you say something while knowing nothing, then you just prove them right." Do your research or STFU.:mad: LCW defeated Peter Gade in the final of the tournament.:rolleyes:


The above 3 quotes just proved that: 1. he is bias, 2. he talks like an idiot, 3. he knows nothing.

He makes badminton worse to the general public than it already is.

Hey moron, if you are reading this, learn to shut up during the rally, and you can talk trash all you want once the rally is done.:mad:

im waiting for john burgess to mentioned your banana name next time, or maybe tomorrow huh?:D:D

haiya, JB is already grandpa la..just relax:D:D

huh..wht dato la,wht wold no.one player....bu ****!!!!!!!!!!!!still lose!!!!!!!
hahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!let celebrate it!!!!!!!!!!hhahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

who is this person anyway?:cool:

http://www.nst.com.my/Current_News/NST/articles/2347-LEAD/Article/

a little premature to be making such statements, no? ;)
that little premature or a little bit childlist statement of course is a warning and mas' camp playing some mind games over there. Can't you get it? come on:D

im waiting for john burgess to mentioned your banana name next time, or maybe tomorrow huh?:D:D

haiya, JB is already grandpa la..just relax:D:D

LOL... why would one mention a forum login name which has nothing to do with the match itself while commentating a world championship final match???:confused: That will only go to show how he is far away from being a professional commentator.:rolleyes:

Are you suggesting that older people can do stupid things?

who is this person anyway?:cool:
he just came back from hospital bahagia located in Tanjong Rambutan;)
u have to understand that..

hmmm, how come this thread suddenyl talking abt Spore foreign talent or sthing like that??? Maybe I in wrong thread :p

Agree . Maybe open another thread about foreign talent from each countries rather than discussing it here.

LOL... why would one mention a forum login name which has nothing to do with the match itself while commentating a world championship final match???:confused: That will only go to show how he is far away from being a professional commentator.:rolleyes:

Are you suggesting that older people can do stupid things?
then i suggest you should write a letter together with pralinescream to astro or BWF to fire this commentator..

i'm going to write to asstro to make a point and fire that silly john commentator.
how can one be so bias? a really professional one shld just comment on the technical aspects of the game, offering trivia/tid-bits wherever appropriate.
not acting like a fan boy for which nobody wants to hear.

boy are you listening well? how bias is he? did he butcher sony? he's pegasus is lcw... other chn fans' master aka sifu aka super is the LD... it's what fans react to their stars... still don't get it?!!:p

O.O i thought he's always been like that??


besides Gill is there for technical parts... ;)

then i suggest you should write a letter together with pralinescream to astro or BWF to fire this commentator..

Since he is a grandpa like you said, he needs to keep his job especially during recession, so being the nice guy that I am, there is no way I am going to do such a thing.

I will only suggest him to make a change or at least do some research before making himself any dumber than he already is.

The 4 things that will help him become better at his job:
1. less bias... I know you can't help yourself to be completely unbias.
2. do some research... eg. there is no such thing as an inside-out smash in badminton; it's called a "cross-court" smash
3. shut up during the rally
4. We are not interested in your personal life, we don't care whether you coached rugby, or whatever.

tsk tsk tsk i hope there won't be any real fights among spectators like in football's.... peace.

haiya these people needs to relax... if want to fire john, go fire other commentators from various countries that ppl say bias... be fair... i ever got read comments from youtube videos that china commentators are superbly bias as well... why dont we annihilate them also... :D

haiya these people needs to relax... if want to fire john, go fire other commentators from various countries that ppl say bias... be fair... i ever got read comments from youtube videos that china commentators are superbly bias as well... why dont we annihilate them also... :D

You are right... the one Chinese commentator that talks garbage(eg. players' background, or his own background) during rallies, is far worse than this John fellow. Imagine those two working together speaking the same language... that would be the end of any TV broadcasting of badminton. LOL:D

haiya these people needs to relax... if want to fire john, go fire other commentators from various countries that ppl say bias... be fair... i ever got read comments from youtube videos that china commentators are superbly bias as well... why dont we annihilate them also... :D

LOL, they havent heard CCTV5 or GD Sports commentators. Or maybe they dont understand mandarin. Like that, many commentators out of job already.:p:p

suddenly this thread had become badminton tv commentators thread..whatever it is, let's keep our finger crossing that john doesnt read your post #172, bananakid:D yeah, i remembered very clearly about the rugby stuffs and also lcw's incredible comeback from 12-20 down during the mas open final agaisnt lin dan..he will mentioned it evrytime he does his commentary though:D

btw, how's RTM1 hasbullah awang commentary today? eagle, care to tell us?:p i heard he very excited during koo/tan match just now:D

john's life story is interesting and i love listening to him... because shud he shut his mouth during rallies, I will feel like watching a death ceremony.... I dont need over explanation of how a shuttle got smash every friggin' time cos it will definitely ruin my brain.. i'm not blind, i can see... i'm not deaf i can definitely hear all the hits on court... the sounds are not musical... it is ignorable... the players and their games are what I'm focusing on... :) and John's story of course :D

suddenly this thread had become badminton tv commentators thread..whatever it is, let's keep our finger crossing that john doesnt read your post #172, bananakid:D

btw, how's RTM1 hasbullah awang commentary today? eagle, care to tell us?:p i heard he very excited during koo/tan match just now:D


he can read it and he can ignore it as well.... Please dont bother about it Mr. John. :D


on Hasbullah, John said he's going crazy on the last few points in 3rd sets... that's when I changed channel... I totally forgot he was there! bummer!!:o

Its a pity that LCW lose to Sony again. Too bad... can always try again next year.

I just saw the game. Sony literally annihilated LCW at the net. The loss of net control is probably what caused LCW to try LD-like stunts (pull really tight shots/smashes) early. Sony also read LCW's game very well by middle of set 1. In set 3, the net imbalance became the determining factor again.

This reminds me of one game of LD vs TH where TH successfully lured LD to the net. This is the aspect that keeps this game interesting.

Thatssssssssss unbelievable....I don't say that Sony is not that good, but LCW was far better than him, Sony is not that difficult player, If you look at his game, he just picks up the shuttles, He doesn't have very deceptive or smashing game.....I didn't see the match but I feel LCW made alot of mistakes, Maybe it was pressure of his Last World Championships loss to Sony.........in Badminton a loss matters alot, It always has its own pressure............

Team selection is a very tricky matter as many factors have to be taken into account. Malaysia's yo-yo king has been selected to represent his country so many times despite his unpredictable performance, yet there is not much that his teammates can say about.

I'm not sure whether you are a Singapore citizen, probably you are a PR now but it would have been better for you to remain a Malaysian and not try to say bad things about Singapore that may not be true but only create further misunderstandings. You should be thankful that you are accepted and have a job in Singapore. ;)

You have your own opinion, we have ours and this is not the thread to discuss such matters. You are in the wrong thread. We have discussed the subject of FTs at great lengths before if you care to do a search. :rolleyes:
I am a Singaporean now and I am always thankful to Singapore as Singapore is a meritocracy society. Anyway, I still think that SBA should select Kendrick Lee for OG08 as his ranking was far better than RS at that time. Probably the SBA was too "kiasu" at that moment. I do not deprive the right for imported players to represent the country, however, public emotion should be taken care. It cannot be denied that many immigrants still have strong emotion attached to their original country such as myself as by fact it is our root.
You are right that this is not the thread for this. It is just that the thing that you discussed attracted me to this topic.

Actually i didnt expect your answer from this so-called history issue.

We close the FT discussing here. Stop. Silent.

I am sorry to bringing out this issue.

Yes, stop ....discussing a very sensitive issue for Singaporean....:)

im waiting for john burgess to mentioned your banana name next time, or maybe tomorrow huh?:D:D

haiya, JB is already grandpa la..just relax:D:D

:D:D....bananakid's intention is to be famous like you George, so can make John Burgess to at least mention his name in the final.......:rolleyes:...:D:D

Good try...bananakid...:D

Thatssssssssss unbelievable....I don't say that Sony is not that good, but LCW was far better than him, Sony is not that difficult player, If you look at his game, he just picks up the shuttles, He doesn't have very deceptive or smashing game.....I didn't see the match but I feel LCW made alot of mistakes, Maybe it was pressure of his Last World Championships loss to Sony.........in Badminton a loss matters alot, It always has its own pressure............
..Sony actually wasn't all that impressive in his match vs. LCW. All he did was simply trying to keep up with LCW and let LCW make the mistakes himself. LCW's unforced errors in the 1st & 3rd games essentially doomed him.

Just saw the match on www.badmintonfreak.com (http://www.badmintonfreak.com) (great site btw)

OK, first thing i want to say is, people need to give more credit to Sony.

If the match had to be summed up in one sentence, SONY was simply better than LCW.

And in that third set, particularly towards the second half when Sony raced ahead, Sony just destroyed LCW. Going for the quick, around-the-head cross court smash which often left LCW just standing on the spot.

Earlier in the third set, LCW tried to play more patient, but it did nothing. So he tried to end the points quicker, and yet still the shuttle came back everytime. LCW threw everything at Sony, but Sony just had an answer to everything. Moreover, Sony found the line far more often than LCW, who was often unlucky to have his shots land just mm wide.

Congrats to Sony. Heart-wrenching for LCW.

I do feel for LCW a bit. His post-match interview indicated he now wanted a break from the sport, to re-assess his objectives and decide whether he wanted to continue playing or not...

So long now he has been saying "my goal is the Olympics/AE/WC..." and for so long he has failed to deliver. Time hasn't run out yet, but it's not going to get any easier at 26/27 years old...

Just saw the match on www.badmintonfreak.com (http://www.badmintonfreak.com) (great site btw)

OK, first thing i want to say is, people need to give more credit to Sony.

If the match had to be summed up in one sentence, SONY was simply better than LCW.

And in that third set, particularly towards the second half when Sony raced ahead, Sony just destroyed LCW. Going for the quick, around-the-head cross court smash which often left LCW just standing on the spot.

Earlier in the third set, LCW tried to play more patient, but it did nothing. So he tried to end the points quicker, and yet still the shuttle came back everytime. LCW threw everything at Sony, but Sony just had an answer to everything. Moreover, Sony found the line far more often than LCW, who was often unlucky to have his shots land just mm wide.

Congrats to Sony. Heart-wrenching for LCW.

I do feel for LCW a bit. His post-match interview indicated he now wanted a break from the sport, to re-assess his objectives and decide whether he wanted to continue playing or not...

So long now he has been saying "my goal is the Olympics/AE/WC..." and for so long he has failed to deliver. Time hasn't run out yet, but it's not going to get any easier at 26/27 years old...

I don't think Chong Wei will quit badminton due to the financial benefits. Furthermore, he is still playing his best badminton and no one in Malaysia can even come close touching him! BAM will not allow him to quit, period.
Yes, we are all disappointing with his inability to win the big one but which Malaysian in history has achieved more than him? Chong Wei is still the main man for us.
Looking into the future, what I think Chong Wei can do is be more picky and selective on tournament participation, don't over-exposed and continue to develop more different playing styles as his current styles have been well study by many. Make good use of whatever tools available, Hendrawan is here now and request him as one of the coaching staff and learn something from the former world champion.
Lin Dan is the sole true top player in the world and there's no shame for Chong Wei unable to measure up against him, who can anyway?
Keep you chin up and we all is still your solid supporters.

I don't think Chong Wei will quit badminton due to the financial benefits. Furthermore, he is still playing his best badminton and no one in Malaysia can even come close touching him! BAM will not allow him to quit, period.
Yes, we are all disappointing with his inability to win the big one but which Malaysian in history has achieved more than him? Chong Wei is still the main man for us.
Looking into the future, what I think Chong Wei can do is be more picky and selective on tournament participation, don't over-exposed and continue to develop more different playing styles as his current styles have been well study by many. Make good use of whatever tools available, Hendrawan is here now and request him as one of the coaching staff and learn something from the former world champion.
Lin Dan is the sole true top player in the world and there's no shame for Chong Wei unable to measure up against him, who can anyway?
Keep you chin up and we all is still your solid supporters.

agreed LCW is malaysia's best hope, noone else comes remotely close and BAM won't let him quit (nor do I think he will anyway)

also agree it would be good idea to change his approach so he doesn't overplay so that he stays fresh for the big ones. but maybe LCW is the kind of player who needs a lot of matches , because fitness isn't an issue for him IMO.

It jst seems, come the Majors, he will either be beaten by LD or someone else who will be playing the match of their life on that day. LCW says he is unlucky - to an extent I agree. But that is the nature of knock out tournaments, the better player ON THE DAY wins.

Did anyone notice that LCW twisted his ankle in early game 1?

After the twist he slowed down significantly.

That's the only reason.

Yes, stop ....discussing a very sensitive issue for Singaporean....:)

Remember Jason this so-called sensitive issue can backfire, just like LCW's visit to see his ex-guru had backfired! :rolleyes:

I don't think Chong Wei will quit badminton due to the financial benefits. Furthermore, he is still playing his best badminton and no one in Malaysia can even come close touching him! BAM will not allow him to quit, period.
Yes, we are all disappointing with his inability to win the big one but which Malaysian in history has achieved more than him? Chong Wei is still the main man for us.
Looking into the future, what I think Chong Wei can do is be more picky and selective on tournament participation, don't over-exposed and continue to develop more different playing styles as his current styles have been well study by many. Make good use of whatever tools available, Hendrawan is here now and request him as one of the coaching staff and learn something from the former world champion.
Lin Dan is the sole true top player in the world and there's no shame for Chong Wei unable to measure up against him, who can anyway?
Keep you chin up and we all is still your solid supporters.

You say the same thing as I said before regarding the financial benefits cos' that is his main bread and butter, the 'shops' (as Limsy mentioned in another post) is a derivative of his baddy income.
On 'which Malaysian in history has achieved more than him', that is debatable since Datuk has never bagged the big majors but then the OLY silver is the best MAS has achieved in MS todate and on the other hand, OLY does not exist in previous era.
I concur Datuk is the among the best MS in the world, and if he exits now, who then to play LD and CJ, and provide the competitive entertainment for baddy fans. Baddy like table tennis which is totally dominated by CHN will be heading into a bleak future. A baddy fanatic MAS has only a LCW. Come to think about it, MAS has the best coaches but playerwise is a different story and HH could still be the 2nd best MS in MAS and that is not a good sign.

Did anyone notice that LCW twisted his ankle in early game 1?

After the twist he slowed down significantly.

That's the only reason.
- Which part of game 1?
- Was he noticeably limping after that?
- Was he hampered from doing his jumpsmashes, court movements?

You say the same thing as I said before regarding the financial benefits cos' that is his main bread and butter, the 'shops' (as Limsy mentioned in another post) is a derivative of his baddy income.
On 'which Malaysian in history has achieved more than him', that is debatable since Datuk has never bagged the big majors but then the OLY silver is the best MAS has achieved in MS todate and on the other hand, OLY does not exist in previous era.
I concur Datuk is the among the best MS in the world, and if he exits now, who then to play LD and CJ, and provide the competitive entertainment for baddy fans. Baddy like table tennis which is totally dominated by CHN will be heading into a bleak future. A baddy fanatic MAS has only a LCW. Come to think about it, MAS has the best coaches but playerwise is a different story and HH could still be the 2nd best MS in MAS and that is not a good sign.

well,he is in the list of top 100 great malaysian list that released this month by goverment.:)

anyway,i wont read all the post in this thread.

only thing i want to say is
there are no one on this earth will be more disapointed than lcw himself after the defeat in quater final.
any kind of debate and discussion cant help him anyway.
and this is not the 1st time he failed
nothing to blame for the defeat.
he had all he COULD had,but that is just not enough to win a major title.
as simply as that.:)

- Which part of game 1?
- Was he noticeably limping after that?
- Was he hampered from doing his jumpsmashes, court movements?

I dont think so.........LCW didnt complaint about it after match....:)

Yse, it happened in 1st mgame............twisted during retrieving a left hended shot from SDK.....GC did mentioned it during the match.....but it looked OK after that.....;)

Remember Jason this so-called sensitive issue can backfire, just like LCW's visit to see his ex-guru had backfired! :rolleyes:

Its different uncle Loh..! When some people brings up some sensitive issue which not suppose to....sure there is backfire. :cool:

LCW went to Kor as part of preparation with ex guru....is an good effort to be more prepared for WC, even misbun didnt feel anything wrong with that........although no gurantee to success in wc but it still an effort from LCW....so there's no such thing as backfire in this case....:)

We certainly would encourage a player to be creative, to try new things, and not worry about so call backfire....;)

I don't think Chong Wei will quit badminton due to the financial benefits. Furthermore, he is still playing his best badminton and no one in Malaysia can even come close touching him! BAM will not allow him to quit, period.
Yes, we are all disappointing with his inability to win the big one but which Malaysian in history has achieved more than him? Chong Wei is still the main man for us.
Looking into the future, what I think Chong Wei can do is be more picky and selective on tournament participation, don't over-exposed and continue to develop more different playing styles as his current styles have been well study by many. Make good use of whatever tools available, Hendrawan is here now and request him as one of the coaching staff and learn something from the former world champion.
Lin Dan is the sole true top player in the world and there's no shame for Chong Wei unable to measure up against him, who can anyway?
Keep you chin up and we all is still your solid supporters.agreed LCW is malaysia's best hope, noone else comes remotely close and BAM won't let him quit (nor do I think he will anyway)

also agree it would be good idea to change his approach so he doesn't overplay so that he stays fresh for the big ones. but maybe LCW is the kind of player who needs a lot of matches , because fitness isn't an issue for him IMO.

It jst seems, come the Majors, he will either be beaten by LD or someone else who will be playing the match of their life on that day. LCW says he is unlucky - to an extent I agree. But that is the nature of knock out tournaments, the better player ON THE DAY wins.

Yet, the signs are worrying! I personally think that LCW skills and techniques are not the problem. Hopefully LCW can comeback mentally stronger from his long needed break.

Hopefully, LCW will get his long needed break and come back fresh.

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http://thestar.com.my/sports/story.asp?file=/2009/8/16/sports/4530014&sec=sports
Sunday August 16, 2009

Chong Wei still not a solid top player, says Misbun

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“There is no doubt that Chong Wei is a world class player but he is not as solid as we wanted him to be at the top.

“His techniques and skills are there but he has to make the right decision when he is on court and no one can help him on this except himself. And this is not easy for any player in the world.”

Even National Sports Institute (NSI) psychologist Frederick Tan, who is also in Hyderabad, had tried his best to keep Chong Wei’s motivation high from the start of the tournament but to no avail.

Misbun said he would give Chong Wei the long break he wanted but with a condition attached — the Beijing Olympic Games silver medallist must return to training at his usual best.

Remember Jason this so-called sensitive issue can backfire, just like LCW's visit to see his ex-guru had backfired! :rolleyes:

Hiyaa uncle, I already mentioned 2X, LCW went to Korea also got another purpose. :D
And 'sensitive issue' in Msia can mean really sensitive issue, the type that can land one in ISA arrest if discussed in public (that's what I mean when I use the term) - LCW going Korea not in that category :p

I was expecting LCW to win, LD has won too many titles...

I was expecting LCW to win, LD has won too many titles...

As a top professional that can never be a good reason to let someone win. :rolleyes:

As a top professional that can never be a good reason to let someone win. :rolleyes:

the same logic is that badminton becomes boring because chinese team dominates.