Who do you think will meet either Lin Dan or Sony in the final? Taufik or Chen Jin?

A great show by Taufik after defeating Jorgensen, but how will he play against the 2nd seeded Chen Jin?

It's going to be a great match up, and i predict Chen Jin winning in 3 sets, but i hope Taufik can pull through and re-create history! But it's gonna' be tough.

Discuss! :D:D:D

i'm expecting either both ina ms will cruise to the next round or both chinese ms will cruise to the final..thats the trend..hehehe

i would LOVE to see a LD-Taufik final!!
chances of that happening are pretty good too!

lets ignore rankings because at this point, its all about whoever is feeling better that day. i seriously hope taufik will atleast get to SF! if he wins WC, the taufik hype will be revived again =D

edit: i think LD will win though T_T

Chen Jin to win in 3 games..
if not
Taufik to win in 2 games..

Anyone has their head-to-head record??..:confused:

I think the key is TH himself. If he's focused, then he will move on. If he get the temper into his head, or simply get distracted for whatever reason, CJ will cruise through.

I remember it's 2-1 favoring CJ. All three matches are 3-setters. CJ won in 2006 China Open QF and 2007 Macau Open final, while TH won (with a thrashing first game 21:9) in 2007 Indonesian Open.

But those matches are all quite a while ago.

Chen Jin to win in 3 games..
if not
Taufik to win in 2 games..

Anyone has their head-to-head record??..:confused:

If TH has enough stamina to play fast and aggressively (like what he did in 09 IO SF), I think CJ has little chance. On the other hand, if TH play slow, CJ will easily win.

I think the key is TH himself. If he's focused, then he will move on. If he get the temper into his head, or simply get distracted for whatever reason, CJ will cruise through.

If TH has enough stamina to play fast and aggressively (like what he did in 09 IO SF), I think CJ has little chance. On the other hand, if TH play slow, CJ will easily win.


Have to agree. TH needs to set the tones earlier, and give CJ no breathing room. If TH let CJ taking his time to wake up and settle, then TH will be asking for trouble in rubber set.

could this be put into a poll??

Time for Chen Jin to shine.

Chen Jin to win in 3 games..
if not
Taufik to win in 2 games..


Yes! :p

If TH has enough stamina to play fast and aggressively (like what he did in 09 IO SF), I think CJ has little chance. On the other hand, if TH play slow, CJ will easily win.

Right on! CJ is always very fit in slow-paced games... but can breathe uncomfortably and makes waayy more mistakes in fast-paced games...

Have to agree. TH needs to set the tones earlier, and give CJ no breathing room. If TH let CJ taking his time to wake up and settle, then TH will be asking for trouble in rubber set.

Chen Jin is not as talented as TH, I saw him being controlled left-right-front-back by Taufik in INA Open 2007... Even CJ can breath heavy if Taufik is playing smoothly... :cool:

My heart: LD vs TH final
My brain: LD vs CJ final

My heart: LD vs TH final
My brain: LD vs CJ final

If Sony and Lin Dan play like in semis, I think Sony will win the match in 3 tight sets (since I saw Lin Dan is not really superior today). And my prediction for final is Sony vs TH/CJ. :D

TH is getting old. His reflex is not as quick as 2 years ago. The danger lies in CJ's counter-attacking.


Chen Jin is not as talented as TH, I saw him being controlled left-right-front-back by Taufik in INA Open 2007... Even CJ can breath heavy if Taufik is playing smoothly... :cool:

I want to watch the final between LD and TH, but it's not easy for TH. CJ could play long long rallies to exhaust TH.

Chen Jin to win in 3 games..
if not
Taufik to win in 2 games..

Anyone has their head-to-head record??..:confused:
hmm, i wonder when is the last time this 2 players meet each other?:confused:

hmm, i wonder when is the last time this 2 players meet each other?:confused:
..see post #7.

For the sake of a competitive Final match and since we couldn't witness a LCW vs. LD showdown, i just hope the MS Final will be between Super Dan vs. The Wild Child of Badminton...It'll be a rematch of the 2005 WC MS Final..:cool:

i think TH will win this battle .... ;)... and goes to final ....

hmm, i wonder when is the last time this 2 players meet each other?:confused:

I think it was Macau Open Final 2007.....CJ won in three games.....:rolleyes:

hmm, Taufik looked like he didn't want to play??
what was wrong with the shuttles? he had a discussion about it.
he also hit a lot of shuttles out...

hmm, i feel sorry for taufik :(

actually looks like Taufik thought the shuttle was too fast, and ask Chen Jin (through umpire) to make the feathers straight after a few stokes.

well, overall Chen Jin was playing all-out game, while Taufik was looking around.

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=396051B5-CD7B-4E98-A111-5A927631C0C1&match=1400

..that's Taufik Hidayat for you..Only he can produce such result in a game..:cool:

I hope no one will under estimate CJ from now on. He will only get better.

and chen jin is the winner.but i still think that lin dan will be the winner tomorrow:rolleyes:

I hope no one will under estimate CJ from now on. He will only get better.

Most people don't underestimate Chen Jin, they just overestimate Taufik. Winning the U.S open 09 of badminton is not the same as winning the U.S open 09 of tennis. LOL:D

Long gone the 2004-2005 Taufik Hidayat... What we have now is the Taufik Hidayat that loses tamely to most top players, eg. Ina open 09 to LCW with an embarassing scoreline, and one more time in WC09 to Chen Jin.:crying:

Most people don't underestimate Chen Jin, they just overestimate Taufik. Winning the U.S open 09 of badminton is not the same as winning the U.S open 09 of tennis. LOL:D

Long gone the 2004-2005 Taufik Hidayat... What we have now is the Taufik Hidayat that loses tamely to most top players, eg. Ina open 09 to LCW with an embarassing scoreline, and one more time in WC09 to Chen Jin.:crying:

Yeah TH once thrashed CJ 21:9 and now sufferred the same fate and get thrashed 21:6......:eek:

wow, 2 Chinese slaughtered 3 Indonesians in just 2 days.

Chen Jin totally shut down both SS and TH completely by astonishing scores: 21:10; 21:13; 21:16: 21:6. I didn't see any resistance from those best Indonesians.

If we look at the earlier rounds, Chen even needed 3 games to win. He lost a game even to a local guy. What's the reason for that? Did Chen Jin become better or those 2 Indonesians lost their forms ?

Most people don't underestimate Chen Jin, they just overestimate Taufik.
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..i was one who overestimated Taufik's chance vs. CJ. But going into this Worlds, most if not all of us thought Taufik stands little chance anyway, even if he were to miraculously win against Chen Jin.
wow, 2 Chinese slaughtered 3 Indonesians in just 2 days.

Chen Jin totally shut down both SS and TH completely by astonishing scores: 21:10; 21:13; 21:16: 21:6. I didn't see any resistance from those best Indonesians.

If we look at the earlier rounds, Chen even needed 3 games to win. He lost a game even to a local guy. What's the reason for that? Did Chen Jin become better or those 2 Indonesians lost their forms ?
- The "slaughter" only involved 2 INA, namely Simon S. & Taufik H, both going down meekly in straight-games. Sony did put up some effort..
- As for the last question, it's the latter reason. Partly also Chen Jin upped his game.
In my part, i overestimated Taufik's chance but only if he wins the 1st game. It might be a different scenario if say Taufik were to meet Chen Jin in a much earlier Rd. Simon is just Simon.

..i was one who overestimated Taufik's chance vs. CJ. But going into this Worlds, most if not all of us thought Taufik stands little chance anyway, even if he were to miraculously win against Chen Jin.

- The "slaughter" only involved 2 INA, namely Simon S. & Taufik H, both going down meekly in straight-games. Sony did put up some effort..
- As for the last question, it's the latter reason. Partly also Chen Jin upped his game.
In my part, i overestimated Taufik's chance but only if he wins the 1st game. It might be a different scenario if say Taufik were to meet Chen Jin in a much earlier Rd. Simon is just Simon.

Simon hasn't been very impressive at all lately... though he got further than I thought he would here! Taufik, I'm just glad he made it to the semifinals. It's usually around that stage of a competition that he either barely wins, or gets wiped off the court..... I agree it could have been different if they met in an early round. Taufik doesn't seem to like playing in semifinals :S (judging by many recent results). Still, you never know what you'll get with Taufik. He's still a "top player" (as in, able to frequently make it to the later stages of SS tournaments), but he seems to need to rely on a rare "good day" to be able to beat any of the very best players right now.

The results is out now, I think TH is not a Top5 Player anymore, He has lost his speed and power, He's old now, And I personally feel he doesn't train as much as he did 2,3 years ago or before that.............

He can't play the third set with a top 5 player if he has won 1 set........Otherwise he has lost to top 5 players in straight games since the last 1 year..........

... He's still a "top player" (as in, able to frequently make it to the later stages of SS tournaments), but he seems to need to rely on a rare "good day" to be able to beat any of the very best players right now.
..to have a chance, what Taufik needs to rely on is a rare "bad day" from those very best players right now, when he plays them..
Could he train himself into shape like 4-5 yrs? Most likely not. That's the problem.
The results is out now, I think TH is not a Top5 Player anymore, He has lost his speed and power, He's old now, And I personally feel he doesn't train as much as he did 2,3 years ago or before that.............

He can't play the third set with a top 5 player if he has won 1 set........Otherwise he has lost to top 5 players in straight games since the last 1 year..........
..Taufik is now only a Grand Prix Gold or Grand Prix tourney threat..

21-6, that's... sick! :eek:

if even xxf can lose 3-21 in a SO rubber what else can't happen?:P

..at least that's in a rubber game. Taufik, so far, has been involved in 2 of the lowest scoring deciding games ever; one of which ended in 2 games..Even in his match vs. Chen Jin, he was on the verge of not even getting double digit pts in the 1st game..:o

..to have a chance, what Taufik needs to rely on is a rare "bad day" from those very best players right now, when he plays them..
Could he train himself into shape like 4-5 yrs? Most likely not. That's the problem.

Can't you see that's what I'm saying though? I wouldn't go so far as his opponents having to have played "badly" though. Taufik can still be good when he's good. I'm obviously not saying that he could beat an on form Lin Dan nowadays, but you can't just use Lin Dan as the basis for top playerS. Excluding Lin Dan, Taufik has shown that he can still occasionally beat Peter Gade and LCW (and I'm sure CJ as well - PG beat him easily twice in a row). If they aren't top players then you can't think much of badminton.

Of course you're right, he's past his prime, and we'll almost certainly never see him play like that again. But haven't we already known that for the past 2-3 years? I just don't understand why people keep repeating it. It's not what he was that matters. It's what he is now.

Ok, someone who occasionally loses feebly with less than 10 points :p. But if we handily ignore that..! His results have really been pretty decent lately!

One of the downsides of having been one of the best is that expectations are too high even years later and when you inevitably can't live up to them, the opposite happens and people think they're past it. Down and out. They just give up on them... I recall people saying Federer was past it, and he was still number 2 in the world at the time (bad comparison I know)! I've heard people say "Taufik should retire!", which is ridiculous considering he still seems to achieve more than his team mates (in MS)!

21-6, that's... sick! :eek:
lol, ya.
Considering predictions were taufik in 2 or CJ in 3 sets.
Well, CJ won it in 1.3 set, score wise.

21-6, that's... sick! :eek:
do you want to know about a more sicked scoreline?:p :rolleyes:
21-4 in the 3rd set...that is the score when lin dan and chen jin met in the ina open this year..
read carefully, its chen jin who defeat lin dan, the world champion and the OG champion currenly with the scoreline 21-4..impressive or not?:D

do you want to know about a more sicked scoreline?:p :rolleyes:
21-4 in the 3rd set...that is the score when lin dan and chen jin met in the ina open this year..
read carefully, its chen jin who defeat lin dan, the world champion and the OG champion currenly with the scoreline 21-4..impressive or not?:D
Lin Dan, 3rd set, 4 points... yep, that's pretty impressive :p

Can't you see that's what I'm saying though? I wouldn't go so far as his opponents having to have played "badly" though. Taufik can still be good when he's good. I'm obviously not saying that he could beat an on form Lin Dan nowadays, but you can't just use Lin Dan as the basis for top playerS. Excluding Lin Dan, Taufik has shown that he can still occasionally beat Peter Gade and LCW (and I'm sure CJ as well - PG beat him easily twice in a row). If they aren't top players then you can't think much of badminton.

Of course you're right, he's past his prime, and we'll almost certainly never see him play like that again. But haven't we already known that for the past 2-3 years? I just don't understand why people keep repeating it. It's not what he was that matters. It's what he is now.

Ok, someone who occasionally loses feebly with less than 10 points :p. But if we handily ignore that..! His results have really been pretty decent lately!

One of the downsides of having been one of the best is that expectations are too high even years later and when you inevitably can't live up to them, the opposite happens and people think they're past it. Down and out. They just give up on them... I recall people saying Federer was past it, and he was still number 2 in the world at the time (bad comparison I know)! I've heard people say "Taufik should retire!", which is ridiculous considering he still seems to achieve more than his team mates (in MS)!
- IMO, even if Taufik regains some semblance of his old form now or "be good when he's good", he is still not good enough to play against & let alone beat the top players. As for the list of top players, i would only rate these 3 players: LD, LCW and maybe CJ. Peter Gade, BCL, Boonsak are abt the same level as TH now. And they are i'd say .5 to .75 level below the top 3 players. That's why i mentioned, his only chance to win against those 3 top players is if they have some sort of a "bad day".
- That's right. If "what he is now" that matters, then tell us what he really is now??
- We realize "his results have been pretty decent lately (yes, including that U.S. Open MS title!)..but what really matters is what are his results against the big boys and top players in the MS..
- Yes, Taufik is not done yet. Maybe he should play in more GP, GP Gold tourneys and his chances of winning more titles are higher??;)

I would not rate CJ that high. He is in fact at the same level as PG and Sony, in fact PG beat him very easily, twice, last year. And don't forget that all his titles last year (he hasn't got any titles this year yet I think) are somewhat controversial.

BUT his style, the Chinese style, is the one that is most difficult for TH to play against. That's why TH seems good enough for PG and Sony, but not for CJ.

As far as I can remember, TH hasn't beat any Chinese MS in the past two years (until yesterday though).

Personally I doubt TH can ever bounce back. Asian players get significantly slower when they approach 30. Just look at WCH and PG. WCH is younger than PG, trains harder than PG, and so on. Yet when facing the highest level opponents, WCH just couldn't keep up with the pace, while PG most of the times could.

- IMO, even if Taufik regains some semblance of his old form now or "be good when he's good", he is still not good enough to play against & let alone beat the top players. As for the list of top players, i would only rate these 3 players: LD, LCW and maybe CJ. Peter Gade, BCL, Boonsak are abt the same level as TH now. And they are i'd say .5 to .75 level below the top 3 players. That's why i mentioned, his only chance to win against those 3 top players is if they have some sort of a "bad day".
- That's right. If "what he is now" that matters, then tell us what he really is now??
- We realize "his results have been pretty decent lately (yes, including that U.S. Open MS title!)..but what really matters is what are his results against the big boys and top players in the MS..
- Yes, Taufik is not done yet. Maybe he should play in more GP, GP Gold tourneys and his chances of winning more titles are higher??;)

I just think that Taufik just doesn't care anymore. He plays as if there's no weight behind it. I don't think age is problem because Sony is at the same age and is still playing hard. Peter Gade is over 30 and he plays with all of this heart.

I like Taufik and I think his playing form/style is just beautiful, however him half @ssing all the time is getting annoying. IMO if he play, then play, if not then just retire.

21-6, that's... sick! :eek:at least he didn't walk out:p I think some r still dreaming of the good old days of TH. Unfortuately, a LD vs TH duel today would be very boring and pathetic to watch:p

I just think that Taufik just doesn't care anymore. He plays as if there's no weight behind it. I don't think age is problem because Sony is at the same age and is still playing hard. Peter Gade is over 30 and he plays with all of this heart.

I like Taufik and I think his playing form/style is just beautiful, however him half @ssing all the time is getting annoying. IMO if he play, then play, if not then just retire.u kinda nail it;) Glad u said it coz if i say it i would be viewed as over critical of TH. The problem of TH after his peak years 04-06 is his attitude. Only with self commitment does a pro can stretch his/her performance longer thru dedication (ie training) and the will to fight every match in the face of aging. If TH retain his fighting attitude (i mean on the court:p) like PG or WCH, i believe he would do much better and win some more fans.

I would not rate CJ that high. He is in fact at the same level as PG and Sony, in fact PG beat him very easily, twice, last year. And don't forget that all his titles last year (he hasn't got any titles this year yet I think) are somewhat controversial.

BUT his style, the Chinese style, is the one that is most difficult for TH to play against. That's why TH seems good enough for PG and Sony, but not for CJ.

As far as I can remember, TH hasn't beat any Chinese MS in the past two years (until yesterday though).
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- IMO, CJ is on a borderline. But i would rate him high as he is still up & coming and would be the only other CHN player who could challenge LD. And it's even more impressive with the way he tamed Taufik in the Semis of this yr's WC. TH is actually on the way down. PG & Sony can only spring a few surprises here & there (esp. when the top players were absent).
- Taufik's biggest achilles' heel is playing against the CHN top players, esp. when he meets one who can stretch & make him work to the max. Prior to 2006, he was able to challenge and beat them. After 2006, he has been no where near his capability to challenge, let alone beat them.

u kinda nail it;) Glad u said it coz if i say it i would be viewed as over critical of TH. The problem of TH after his peak years 04-06 is his attitude. Only with self commitment does a pro can stretch his/her performance longer thru dedication (ie training) and the will to fight every match in the face of aging. If TH retain his fighting attitude (i mean on the court:p) like PG or WCH, i believe he would do much better and win some more fans.

- IMO, CJ is on a borderline. But i would rate him high as he is still up & coming and would be the only other CHN player who could challenge LD. And it's even more impressive with the way he tamed Taufik in the Semis of this yr's WC. TH is actually on the way down. PG & Sony can only spring a few surprises here & there (esp. when the top players were absent).
- Taufik's biggest achilles' heel is playing against the CHN top players, esp. when he meets one who can stretch & make him work to the max. Prior to 2006, he was able to challenge and beat them. After 2006, he has been no where near his capability to challenge, let alone beat them.on the surface u r right but during past year and a bit, CJ was hampered by a back injury. I hope cj is close to 100% recovery as LD will compete in selective tournaments and CJ would most likely be carrying the torch for china until the new MS entrants pick up more experience. I don't know what BCL gonna do for his knee so i can't make a forecast for him. Remember that CJ hand beaten TH before about 2 years ago but the score was tighter than this WC.

I was curious why TH gave up so easily in a couldn't care less, 'you want to win, let you win' manner.

I asked him what's his fuss about the shuttle since that seemed to bug him and he suggested that CJ tampered with the shuttle to make it slow and that ' they (meaning CHN) do it all the time.'
(Well, I don't understand how a slow shuttle can disadvantage TH so maybe some of you experts can explain.)

I don't think TH has lost interest because whenever he faces LCW, he's motivated to play well (as in SO and this MO) even when it's tough for him (as in IO)

Well, the fact that TH has withdrawn from CM may prove his point about his allergy to tampered shuttles. We can safely count him out of AG10 where LiNing shuttles may be used (and no other teams would have the opportunity to use it before?) which may be worse.

In any case, given his merchandising income, he would be expected to continue playing for a while.
By the way, TH speaks relatively fluent English. Does any INA fan know where he learns his English?

I was curious why TH gave up so easily in a couldn't care less, 'you want to win, let you win' manner.

I asked him what's his fuss about the shuttle since that seemed to bug him and he suggested that CJ tampered with the shuttle to make it slow and that ' they (meaning CHN) do it all the time.'
(Well, I don't understand how a slow shuttle can disadvantage TH so maybe some of you experts can explain.)

I don't think TH has lost interest because whenever he faces LCW, he's motivated to play well (as in SO and this MO) even when it's tough for him (as in IO)

Well, the fact that TH has withdrawn from CM may prove his point about his allergy to tampered shuttles. We can safely count him out of AG10 where LiNing shuttles may be used (and no other teams would have the opportunity to use it before?) which may be worse.

In any case, given his merchandising income, he would be expected to continue playing for a while.
By the way, TH speaks relatively fluent English. Does any INA fan know where he learns his English?
- From what i observed in his match, he simply couldn't break Chen Jin, no matter whether through his smashes or drop shots or trick plays or backhand smashes. Realizing he couldn't do that, he basically lost all motivation, esp. in the 2nd game. His biggest culprit, his fitness.
- If Taufik complained Chen Jin was tampering and making the shuttle slow, it means that Taufik's smashes can't break/go through Chen Jin's defense. He doesn't have the confidence. Ironically, Chen Jin's smashes did go through Taufik's defense or at least Taufik couldn't react fast enough to return them. Was Chen Jin that much stronger than Taufik??
The thought is, the faster the shuttle is when Taufik smashes, the better the chance to break CJ. Thus Taufik wanted a "faster" shuttle. But even with a brand new shuttle, it hardly happened. Thus, it's gonna sound like an excuse from Taufik.
- Against LCW, esp. nowadays, Taufik will always struggle because simply LCW is much better in fitness and is able to return most of Taufik's shots. In other words, LCW will make Taufik work and earn his pts..
- The comment abt Taufik's chance of not playing in the upcoming CM because of the use of tampered shuttles sounds more like an excuse for him not to attend. Taufik should just go back and train even harder, no matter how tampered the shuttles are. If the shuttles are tampered, what advantage(s) will the CHN players have? :p
- Taufik will keep playing, but most likely at this current level. Disappointing not to see him perform much better, you may say??..
- Yes, Taufik speaks & understands English. But i wouldn't say he speaks it fluently, just basic English. As a matter of fact, he did speak English during the 2005 WC during his post-game interviews; although he had to pause once in a while to think abt the questions. As to how he learned it, my guess is through movies, tv shows, reading books/magazines, watching western shows or hanging out with other English speaking folks. I doubt he took an English tutoring class, specifically to learn..:p
Btw, here's one of his recent tournaments where he was interviewed in English..;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n06sTJWnp3M

TH did not complain about tampered shuttles throughout the match. He complained about it in the beginning of G1 and tried to get the SJ to see it. The SJ did not agree even when TH illustrated his point. So TH seemed unwilling to work hard only to lose. He'd rather lose effortlessly, on uneven grounds,that's what he's trying to convey.
But with LCW, TH has often shown effort , even in G2 of IO though he knew it was a lost cause.
So I gather a slow shuttle means TH would have to work a lot harder? No wonder he's allergic to that.
But he's not done yet with his magic. See how fast he took out DPY, his one-time giant killer.
TH speaks English fluently by Asian player standards.
Yes, it's normal to pause before responding in interviews. Unless the interviewer is smart or highly skilled and knows how to phrase the questions in such a way as to channel the player's thoughts fluidly. (See how the Americans do it, eg McEnroe, Courier. They introduce a light hearted icebreaker before the key question.)

TH did not complain about tampered shuttles throughout the match. He complained about it in the beginning of G1 and tried to get the SJ to see it. The SJ did not agree even when TH illustrated his point. So TH seemed unwilling to work hard only to lose. He'd rather lose effortlessly, on uneven grounds,that's what he's trying to convey.
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So I gather a slow shuttle means TH would have to work a lot harder? No wonder he's allergic to that.
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TH speaks English fluently by Asian player standards.
Yes, it's normal to pause before responding in interviews.
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- I know what he's trying to convey. But when even the Service Judge didn't see anything (physically) strange with the shuttle and Taufik continued his non-chalant and unwillingness to work hard approach, it simply shows that he's using the "tampered" shuttle as an excuse. Perhaps what might've caused the shuttle to travel abnormally (to Taufik) was the A/C draft (i don't recall whether Taufik had the advantage of the breeze going his direction or against his direction in the 1st game).
So, basically if the shuttle was "tampered" by making it slow, Chen Jin had the advantage and Taufik didn't? I can only think of one reason for CJ to do so. If CJ had the breeze blowing for him and the shuttle was "tampered", it would slow down and wouldn't have the tendency to go out of the court. I think it's more of Taufik getting the shuttle's travel behavior affects his mind. If i recall, they changed shuttles a few times in the 1st game, and i don't recall seeing CJ purposely taking his time & tamper with the shuttles.
Yes, Taufik is allergic to "working hard" esp. against an opponent who is diligent and will make him work for his pts.
- In that 2005 WC, i recall Taufik paused a few times to ask a few people (incl. myself, as i was one of the volunteers there) abt the questions and what the interviewer(s) was asking. Maybe the interviewer spoke a bit fast. In another situation, even after Taufik understood the question, he was still having a bit of difficult time answering the question/expressing his reply.

Lin Dan, 3rd set, 4 points... yep, that's pretty impressive :p
Impressive and a very 'kind and generous' of lin dan:D

TH did not complain about tampered shuttles throughout the match. He complained about it in the beginning of G1 and tried to get the SJ to see it. The SJ did not agree even when TH illustrated his point. So TH seemed unwilling to work hard only to lose. He'd rather lose effortlessly, on uneven grounds,that's what he's trying to convey.
But with LCW, TH has often shown effort , even in G2 of IO though he knew it was a lost cause.
So I gather a slow shuttle means TH would have to work a lot harder? No wonder he's allergic to that.
But he's not done yet with his magic. See how fast he took out DPY, his one-time giant killer.
TH speaks English fluently by Asian player standards.
Yes, it's normal to pause before responding in interviews. Unless the interviewer is smart or highly skilled and knows how to phrase the questions in such a way as to channel the player's thoughts fluidly. (See how the Americans do it, eg McEnroe, Courier. They introduce a light hearted icebreaker before the key question.)base on your track record, it's no doubt u bought into as well as creating all those conspiracy theories about chinese players. It's not new that TH would not give an effort to play 100% against top chnese players especially when he know he can't beat them. On praising TH beating DPY, lol, DPY is just a small fry in the china team. Remember how u also praised LCW, WR #1, beating chen long as well? chen long was ranked #26 at that time (btw, CL beaten lcw on a prior meeting) LOL. I've said it b4 and i'll say it again, in a losing proposition against the chinese, TH will NOT give that chinese players, or the audience, the pleasure to fight a losing battle. He'll rather whimper out coz this way, he can say, i lost because i didn't try because this and that. Case in point, 2006 HK walk out, 2006 JP open MS final, and today in 09WC. I do know TH has more talent than that of lsoing a 21-6 set against CJ. I knew as soon as i saw the score. I didn't have to see that match to say this.

Remember how some wanted the bwf to fine the chinese player/team for alleged not playing 100% to fix certain game? I don't see any request here for bwf fining TH for not playing 100%

base on your track record, it's no doubt u bought into as well as creating all those conspiracy theories about chinese players. It's not new that TH would not give an effort to play 100% against top chnese players especially when he know he can't beat them. On praising TH beating DPY, lol, DPY is just a small fry in the china team. Remember how u also praised LCW, WR #1, beating chen long as well? chen long was ranked #26 at that time (btw, CL beaten lcw on a prior meeting) LOL. I've said it b4 and i'll say it again, in a losing proposition against the chinese, TH will NOT give that chinese players, or the audience, the pleasure to fight a losing battle. He'll rather whimper out coz this way, he can say, i lost because i didn't try. Case in point, 2006 HK walk out, 2006 JP open MS final, and today in 09WC
Based on your track records,, you say anything to bad mouth TH...
It seems that you know more on China team..you do not even know any china team at all..LOL...just google more...
If you do not know anything..dont say it..I can say more about China team if you like....
TH said that CJ was faster in that match...
Wait until your LD ages 29..lets see if he will paly or not..
If any INA players beat CHN, you always say it is small fish, he is 2nd dog...( remember that when Sony beat CJ in china master..). .at least INA players fight..dont do any match fixing to insult audience...it seems that CHN team will not give pleasure to audience too....

Based on your track records,, you say anything to bad mouth TH...
It seems that you know more on China team..you do not even know any china team at all..LOL...just google more...
If you do not know anything..dont say it..I can say more about China team if you like....
TH said that CJ was faster in that match...
Wait until your LD ages 29..lets see if he will paly or not..
If any INA players beat CHN, you always say it is small fish, he is 2nd dog...( remember that when Sony beat CJ in china master..). .at least INA players fight..dont do any match fixing to insult audience...it seems that CHN team will not give pleasure to audience too....
that's because your entertainer TH has a lot for me to write about LOL

did i claim i know anything about the china team? Please provide us all with your evidence, link, posts, etc.. However, It is u here that is keep claiming u know everything. I hope your deception here is as keen as those on the court lol

I have kept my discussion about players, tactics and strategy. U seem to come here only to attack certain BF members. Where is your content?

that's because your entertainer TH has a lot for me to write about LOL

did i claim i know anything about the china team? Please provide us all with your evidence, link, posts, etc.. However, It is u here that is keep claiming u know everything.

I have kept my discussion about players, tactics and strategy. U seem to come here only to attack certain BF members. Where is your content?
LO>.what tactics?? you attack BC members alot than everybody else..you have no content....LO>..you know everything abt China team...you argued a lot even you do not have info...check your posts...
Mr.Knows everything...
Look at your posts..attacking players and certain BC members..dream on..
You just know how to talk BIG behind computer screen..thats all you can do...:D...

that's because your entertainer TH has a lot for me to write about LOL

did i claim i know anything about the china team? Please provide us all with your evidence, link, posts, etc.. However, It is u here that is keep claiming u know everything. I hope your deceptive here is as keen as those on the court lol

I have kept my discussion about players, tactics and strategy. U seem to come here only to attack certain BF members. Where is your content?
LOL>..you do not have gut to show up...I hope you are real...not just talk big on this forum...Bring it ON!!...

Based on your track records,, you say anything to bad mouth TH...
It seems that you know more on China team..you do not even know any china team at all..LOL...just google more...
If you do not know anything..dont say it..I can say more about China team if you like....
TH said that CJ was faster in that match...
Wait until your LD ages 29..lets see if he will paly or not..
If any INA players beat CHN, you always say it is small fish, he is 2nd dog...( remember that when Sony beat CJ in china master..). .at least INA players fight..dont do any match fixing to insult audience...it seems that CHN team will not give pleasure to audience too....

when did i bad mouth all INA players? please dont exaggerate to make your points. In fact, i praised candra W and tony G every chance i get. Flandy is a very humble player. When do u want me to stop praising INA players?

when did i bad mouth all INA players? please dont exaggerate to make your points. In fact, i praised candra W and tony G everytime i get. Flandy is a very humble player. When do u want me to stop praising INA players?
Just look at the posts.....all BC members know...especially on TH...

when did i bad mouth all INA players? please dont exaggerate to make your points. In fact, i praised candra W and tony G every chance i get. Flandy is a very humble player. When do u want me to stop praising INA players?

Just look at the posts.....all BC members know...especially on TH...do u know what 'all' mean?

please discuss about players and topics.
U came here just to attack a BF poster

Just look at the posts.....all BC members know...especially on TH...
since all BC members know, why keep jumping in reminding us all:confused:

I think your tactic is this: u don't like certain things written about certain players. U come in and make a ruckus so to prompt the admin to delete all the related posts. This way, people can't see what i have said earlier.

do u know what 'all' mean?

please discuss about players and topics.
U came here just to attack a BF poster
Should I remind you who attacked first? shld I recalled US Open and Macau Open? thats the proof you attacked BC members from the beginning...:D
You came here just to attack many posters...

do u know what 'all' mean?

please discuss about players and topics.
U came here just to attack a BF poster

What do you mean by BF? Blue film? :eek: :D

What do you mean by BF? Blue film? :eek: :D

Nice one. hehehe:D

What do you mean by BF? Blue film? :eek: :D

Nice one. hehehe:D
hehehe, i had to look up on blue film definition.:D
You guys are ahead of me on this one:p

I think your tactic is this: u don't like certain things written about certain players. U come in and make a ruckus so to prompt the admin to delete all the related posts. This way, people can't see what i have said earlier.

Hehehe... that's your assessment of him? Hmmmhhh....

since all BC members know, why keep jumping in reminding us all:confused:

I think your tactic is this: u don't like certain things written about certain players. U come in and make a ruckus so to prompt the admin to delete all the related posts. This way, people can't see what i have said earlier.
:D:D..the admin knows best...they know you well...you are attacker...wow..I do not know I have that power over BC....wow..:D

Hehehe... that's your assessment of him? Hmmmhhh....
i learned all this from playing badminton against deceptive players;)

Why after every single event / match, we have to drag ourselves in this kinda of meaningless debate? :confused: Why we have to figure out "who's the better one", "who has xxx tactics", etc? Usually, such debates will not going anywhere, as it's hardly both sides can even reach to an agreement at 1%.

Badminton is a sport to be played on court, not to be debated on paper or forum. Talking big does not make a champion. Life moves on... ... :p

base on your track record, it's no doubt u bought into as well as creating all those conspiracy theories about chinese players. It's not new that TH would not give an effort to play 100% against top chnese players especially when he know he can't beat them. On praising TH beating DPY, lol, DPY is just a small fry in the china team. Remember how u also praised LCW, WR #1, beating chen long as well? chen long was ranked #26 at that time (btw, CL beaten lcw on a prior meeting) LOL. I've said it b4 and i'll say it again, in a losing proposition against the chinese, TH will NOT give that chinese players, or the audience, the pleasure to fight a losing battle. He'll rather whimper out coz this way, he can say, i lost because i didn't try because this and that. Case in point, 2006 HK walk out, 2006 JP open MS final, and today in 09WC. I do know TH has more talent than that of lsoing a 21-6 set against CJ. I knew as soon as i saw the score. I didn't have to see that match to say this.

Remember how some wanted the bwf to fine the chinese player/team for alleged not playing 100% to fix certain game? I don't see any request here for bwf fining TH for not playing 100%

SO absolutely true.

Ate too much sour grapes now the whole body is sour

..between our cooler and Hau-ge...
Here's how i see it:
cooler makes a comment abt Taufik, which i think is the only INA player cooler loves to comment on/criticize...Meanwhile, Hau-ge is enjoying his morning cup of coffee while reading BC and all of a sudden sees all the posts by cooler demeaning Taufik or the poster..Hau-ge gets irritated, jumps in and starts spraying cooler...cooler runs around for his life, defending himself whilst Hau-ge chases him around..and the rest of the BCers are just watching, reading & laughing @ the spectacle..*sigh*..:o:p
Why after every single event / match, we have to drag ourselves in this kinda of meaningless debate? :confused: Why we have to figure out "who's the better one", "who has xxx tactics", etc? Usually, such debates will not going anywhere, as it's hardly both sides can even reach to an agreement at 1%.

Badminton is a sport to be played on court, not to be debated on paper or forum. Talking big does not make a champion. Life moves on... ... :p
..actually, it started innocently....until Taufik lost and all of his defenders and critics come in...:o

..between our cooler and Hau-ge...
Here's how i see it:
cooler makes a comment abt Taufik, which i think is the only INA player cooler loves to comment on/criticize...Meanwhile, Hau-ge is enjoying his morning cup of coffee while reading BC and all of a sudden sees all the posts by cooler demeaning Taufik or the poster..Hau-ge gets irritated, jumps in and starts spraying cooler...cooler runs around for his life, defending himself whilst Hau-ge chases him around..and the rest of the BCers are just watching, reading & laughing @ the spectacle..*sigh*..:o:p

..actually, it started innocently....until Taufik lost and all of his defenders and critics come in...:oi have to give TH the credit here, he provided me with lots of material to write about. If something i said about him (TH) is wrong, i'm glad to hear 'their' side of the story, not chasing cooler around with hot coffee:D

here is the crux, if TH go all out and win the 2nd and rubber sets to beat CJ, he would be so out of shape and worn out that he will be in no condition to even have any interesting rallies against LD.

Hau-ge gets irritated, jumps in and starts spraying cooler...cooler runs around for his life, defending himself whilst Hau-ge chases him around..and the rest of the BCers are just watching, reading & laughing @ the spectacle..*sigh*..:o:p


You're dang right. Laughing my pants off watching this comedy unfold. I think I can hear the Benny Hill music in the background as Hauge chases cooler in sped up mode. :D:D:D (just having a laugh)

SO absolutely true.

Ate too much sour grapes now the whole body is sour

Off topic... hey volcom, are you in mourning after the Aussies got crushed by England in the 5th Test to hand them back the Ashes? ;):D

You're dang right. Laughing my pants off watching this comedy unfold. I think I can hear the Benny Hill music in the background as Hauge chases cooler in sped up mode. :D:D:D (just having a laugh)
i think i should come to BF wearing a helmet:D

..between CJ vs. TH. And observed yourself of the supposed claim by Taufik that CJ "tampered" with the shuttles. I personally don't see it.

In the 1st game, Taufik only complained abt the shuttle being tampered twice. The 2nd time, was at 15-15, if i recall, where i overheard Taufik complained to the Umpire by saying something like "This is not how a real shuttlecock looks like"...but in all scenarios, the Service Judge obliged and gave a new shuttle each time Taufik requested it. I thought Taufik might've used those requests to buy himself some rest time.

http://www.badmintonfreak.com/chen-jin-vs-taufik-hidayat-world-badminton-championship-2009-video/

Off topic... hey volcom, are you in mourning after the Aussies got crushed by England in the 5th Test to hand them back the Ashes? ;):D

Haha nope... I prefer England to win actually.
Hate the arrogance of Ponting and his team, they need serious wake up calls and notwalk around thinking they are superb when they don't have Warne and Mcgrath to save them.

Why after every single event / match, we have to drag ourselves in this kinda of meaningless debate? :confused: Why we have to figure out "who's the better one", "who has xxx tactics", etc? Usually, such debates will not going anywhere, as it's hardly both sides can even reach to an agreement at 1%.

Badminton is a sport to be played on court, not to be debated on paper or forum. Talking big does not make a champion. Life moves on... ... :p
I have to 100% agree with you on this:)