Adramatics/crazy match, both Chinam and Korea playing well but there is only one champion so let congratulation for China team!

Similar to how I felt having watched the 2008 Wimbledon final live, these matches don't come around often, but when they do, you feel privileged to have witnessed it.

In these matches, there is no "loser", only two champions.

absolute epic third set and they should have given GOLD to both the KOR and CHN pairs!! :D

cant get any better than this!

Agree it could have easily gone either way what a match.

china had 10 match points and korea had 6 -___-

indeed could have been either man's match

Totally agreed. Some have a lot more to catch up. U know what I mean... ;)

wld say that cai yun and that shortie korean made de most mistakes.
not a really good match technically.
but in terms of drama & heart; this is one of the better matches.

i think cai yun should the man of the match

The match stats shows Korea smash more than Chn 33-25, It definitely proves that Feng Yun defense is clearly improves

starting from 20-20, 3rd game;
i can see they mop the floor almost every point.
both pair jumping delighted every point.

Similar to how I felt having watched the 2008 Wimbledon final live, these matches don't come around often, but when they do, you feel privileged to have witnessed it.

In these matches, there is no "loser", only two champions.

absolute epic third set and they should have given GOLD to both the KOR and CHN pairs!! :D

101% agreed with u, poor yong dae, but he still young..:crying:

a thrilling game indeed .......

..congrats to both pairs for giving us as expected, arguably, the best match of the tourney, if not the best MD match of the entire yr..

LYD still has plenty of chances and yrs to grab the MD title..Just not this yr..He could grab it w/a different partner..

Anywhere I can find a video of this great match? Thanks!!

the quality of the match is indeed the top out of the 5 final i would say,but anyone can disagree what i say
well done for both of them to bring us sooooooooo much excitement^^

Great match! Congrats to both finalists!

Anywhere I can find a video of this great match? Thanks!!
Dchoy,
You should waiting for video that will post in this http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113 or you can go to badmintonfreak.com to take it, but I think we have to wait because they did not work last week to update these videos!

Dchoy,
You should waiting for video that will post in this http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=113 or you can go to badmintonfreak.com to take it, but I think we have to wait because they did not work last week to update these videos!

Thanks for the note! Yes, I've been checking that to see if I can watch this super exciting game, no luck so far.. but I'll keep waiting! :)

Derek

it was a breathtaking match I have never seen b4

Superb play on both sides. A lot of action and definitely held my breathe to the last point. Was hoping for the match to reach 30 though.

Yep, no losers here. 1 World Champion Pair but the match really had 2 winners. JJS/LYD can go home with their heads held high. It was won by a hairline. The determination and dedication from both sides are astronomical.

Congrats to FHF/CY.

Yeah, congratulations to Cai Yun and Fu Haifeng, it was a great game from beginning to the end

wow, i have to say that the greatest men's double match i had ever witnessed was yesterday's superb cracking match between LYD/JJS vs fhf/cy, the winner..obviously it is so exciting and lots of energy being used up by all 4 players on court to provide us with such an entertaining performance.. i wish that this 2 pairs will be the the winners though. anyway, this is badminton.. there will be loser and winner in a match. :) congrats to fu hai feng and cai yun!:) this match will surely be in my greatest match of the year/century in my list.. what more do you all think about this match?:D
people who don't play badminton also after watch this match will love badminton.. im sure about that..:cool:

p/s during the last shot of that match, cai yun were shouting something, and i think that's the moment jung jae sung wash shocked and eventually did an error in front of the net and cause the koreans the world title once more..:p

anyway, great game! thumbs up!:)

im still awaiting someone to upload this:D hehehehe...
this is surely worth a download:cool:
what a match!

should be double champions, both pairs are worthy to be the winner... it's too cruel that it must be decided by 2 points...

Yes, what a match! Can't wait for the video! :P

yes, its a great match:) anyway, welcome to the forum:) glad that yesterday's match had influence you to joined this forum:D

This is the greatest match........before this i tot its was MD SF between kkk/tbh and Lyd/Jjs....

The final seems more intense....

Surely a great match to download and to keep........

Hope Fifa2008(or some kind soul) can upload the 1080P HD quality one. :p

don't worry, this is the greatest match of the century..surely some kind soul will upload it..:)...

i think all the 4 players involve yesterday will be damn freaking tired now. :D;)
have some good rest, guys;)
thanks for providing us with such a great entertainment.. the indian spectators are the lucky ones:) get to watch this superb match in front of their eyes, 'live';)

uuuuuuuuuunbelievable match

hi, another fellow new members just joined the forum!:)

welcome to the forum!:)

were u present in the stadium last evening to watch this interesting battle?:)

its such a shame that it can only be 1 winner! cruel world.

its such a shame that it can only be 1 winner! cruel world.
i have to agree with you though.
Anyway, this is badminton, and there will be only 1 winner:)

should be double champions, both pairs are worthy to be the winner... it's too cruel that it must be decided by 2 points...


Sorry, a little of track, how can Korea win when they are playing against 3 players? (CY/FHF/Service Judge)

p/s during the last shot of that match, cai yun were shouting something, and i think that's the moment jung jae sung wash shocked and eventually did an error in front of the net and cause the koreans the world title once more

Cai Yun should be banned. He was making a high serve gesture to JJS to distract him. Very unsporstmanship like. Lousy Chinese player.:mad:

Sorry, a little of track, how can Korea win when they are playing against 3 players? (CY/FHF/Service Judge)

Cai Yun should be banned. He was making a high serve gesture to JJS to distract him. Very unsporstmanship like. Lousy Chinese player.:mad:

Sportsmanship could be argued.. but you lost me at "lousy"...:(

/T

this match had everything, deuce till almost 30, some pumped up shows from both pairs, gutsy play, brilliant... one of the best ever matches in recent times... shame there has to be a loser, both pairs played so well... and for me, watching this great match, it doesnt matter who wins, both are winners...

When you're in the final of a Worlds, and everything riding on those little decisions, those that can swing either way... but what a match... phew!

for me, i don't think both pairs were verging on disrespectful, sure they were pumped up, but it was ok...

Yea what a great match..and ya it will be even greater without those service faults called by the service judge. Are those annoying call really neccessary?

many LYD fans would have wanted him to win. But the bright side of LYD-JJS losing is...we'll see them play even better in future to chase for the world champion title.

Sportsmanship could be argued.. but you lost me at "lousy"...:(

/T

I know "lousy" is a harsh word but forgive me, I can't find more suitable adjectives to describe him and I don't like most of the Chinese players. They are too arrogant.

so meaning that the match wasnt fair?
but some people also said that the umpire was being unfair, im not sure in which part though

I know "lousy" is a harsh word but forgive me, I can't find more suitable adjectives to describe him and I don't like most of the Chinese players. They are too arrogant.

lol what a whiny fan, so typical of supporters with no class, go back to your hole n examine why your nation failed again before accusing the chinese

irt was rather freak to me in the last point pick up by Lin D.. but a win still a win.. credits to both men.. ..

lol what a whiny fan, so typical of supporters with no class, go back to your hole n examine why your nation failed again before accusing the chinese


FYI, I am not supporters of my country's players and if they behave like CY did, I will condemn them too. And you, please don't bring nationality into the picture. I am talking about individual badminton players and if you read my comments carefully, I said " I don't like most of the Chinese players" which means I admire some of them.

If you say I am a supporter of no class, then, tell me why you have class !!!

I know "lousy" is a harsh word but forgive me, I can't find more suitable adjectives to describe him and I don't like most of the Chinese players. They are too arrogant.

Well, is there any evident showing that Chinese Badminton Players are arrogant or you having personal unhappy experience with Chinese Players? How many cases have you encountered to generalize all of/most of them as arrogant? It is ok that people stereotype but I appreciate if you can keep it to your personal diary or somewhere else.

I am talking about individual badminton players and if you read my comments carefully, I said " I don't like most of the Chinese players" which means I admire some of them.


Very interesting logic. I am impressed.

Well, is there any evident showing that Chinese Badminton Players are arrogant or you having personal unhappy experience with Chinese Players? How many cases have you encountered to generalize all of/most of them as arrogant? It is ok that people stereotype but I appreciate if you can keep it to your personal diary or somewhere else.

I know there are plenty of Chinese fans and they would be angry with my opinion. Arrogant Chinese players? Lin Dan is one and LYB is another, just to name a few. Opinions ? You have yours and I have mine and I don't need you to tell me where to keep them. FYI. I like BCL, ZZH and XXZ among others.

Very interesting logic. I am impressed.

Thanks, Deca2000.

i see Lee Y B more arrogant than the rest of them .. sry to Team China fans..

I know there are plenty of Chinese fans and they would be angry with my opinion. Arrogant Chinese players? Lin Dan is one and LYB is another, just to name a few. Opinions ? You have yours and I have mine and I don't need you to tell me where to keep them. FYI. I like BCL, ZZH and XXZ among others.

People don't like their race to be insulted and that is what you are doing.

So, I can openly say I don't like TH because he is so lazy and un-motivated most of the time and Wijaya seems so arrogant to me? I can openly say anything just because I feel like it and don't care about other people's feeling?

This is a public forum, keep it clean!

I know there are plenty of Chinese fans and they would be angry with my opinion. Arrogant Chinese players? Lin Dan is one and LYB is another, just to name a few. Opinions ? You have yours and I have mine and I don't need you to tell me where to keep them. FYI. I like BCL, ZZH and XXZ among others.

BTW, LYB is not player, he is the coach. Everyone has the right to say anything, but anything without evident is just accusing. Be ready to provide evidence to support your word. One more thing, if you can comment on others, I think others has the same right to comment on you. Dont tell me what I dont need to do.

i see Lee Y B more arrogant than the rest of them .. sry to Team China fans..

You spelled wrongly. Chinese use Li instead of Lee. I dont like li Yongbo either. Looking forward to have Li Mao back.

Thanks, Deca2000.

sure thing honey. Equipped with a logic like that, you will never lose a debate.

don't expect Li Mao return to China anytime soon..

FYI, I am not supporters of my country's players and if they behave like CY did, I will condemn them too. And you, please don't bring nationality into the picture. I am talking about individual badminton players and if you read my comments carefully, I said " I don't like most of the Chinese players" which means I admire some of them.



I really appreciate your announcement, something like "fair", "no class", especially this one you said "if they behave like CY did, I will condemn them too." blah blah. Very impressive with a high tone.

However, when you condemn the service judge, could you please tell me where is LYD's waist? For me, it seems like that thing has been transmitted to somewhere above his breast, whenever he was serving.

Everyone can see it, but for some reason you just totally completely ignore that. How pathetic~

I'm sorry too. I know "pathetic" is a harsh word but forgive me, I can't find more suitable adjectives to describe your behavior either.

You spelled wrongly. Chinese use Li instead of Lee. I dont like li Yongbo either. Looking forward to have Li Mao back.

Maybe Lee Mao ;) :D

/Twobeer

...... Arrogant Chinese players? Lin Dan is one and LYB is another, just to name a few. .... ......

So these two so call 'arrogant' people to your eyes represent 'most' chinese players? Most would be like at least 60% or more, so you will need to provide at least 15 'arrogant' chinese players in this case:D:rolleyes:

This is the greatest match........before this i tot its was MD SF between kkk/tbh and Lyd/Jjs....
don't worry, this is the greatest match of the century..surely some kind soul will upload it..:)...
...
..it's relative lah...To one, this was the greatest MD match ever. To others, like myself, i could say it was one of the greatest MD Final matches..:cool:
Heck, i could say, my MD match the other day was the greatest match ever (although not a Final). Or even the MD match i played with kwun, last yr up @ SmashCity, was the greatest MD match ever (although not a Final either)..:cool:

Cai Yun should be banned. He was making a high serve gesture to JJS to distract him. Very unsporstmanship like. Lousy Chinese player.:mad:

It would be Ok if you said "Lousy players" but instead you said "Lousy CHINESE players." You in fact intended to accuse all Chinese players in terms of race of being lousy and arrogant. You should be banned from making comments in this forum.

really a great and exciting match..i thought they want to play till 30points...

It would be Ok if you said "Lousy players" but instead you said "Lousy CHINESE players." You in fact intended to accuse all Chinese players in terms of race of being lousy and arrogant. You should be banned from making comments in this forum.

LOL, so you and all the supporters of Chinese players agreed that CY's antics was uncalled for and I was right about his poor sportsmanship, except that I made a mistake to categories that he is a "Chinese Player". Therefore, if I rephrase it to : "Cai Yun is a lousy player" and all the supporters of Chinese players would accept this remark. Then, thanks and I rest my case.

However, when you condemn the service judge, could you please tell me where is LYD's waist? For me, it seems like that thing has been transmitted to somewhere above his breast, whenever he was serving.


For this particular serve, from the tv's camera that I was watching that day, I can't see. Maybe your camera's angle is different or you were at courtside to note that LYD was serving from above his breast. Just for your info, LWW and Chandra Wijaya serve from very high above the waist and they were not faulted, why the inconsistency with LYD?

What an instereting topic.... Don't like Chinese player only because their attitude that u see in TV or on court.... Are they wrong to express their happiness when get points?! Are they wrong to give spirit to theirselves?! Are u sure that ONLY Chinese players who act like that?! N how come u said they are arrogant?! Should they great all the peoples that they meet or smile to everyone even to the peoples thay they don't know?! I think too much peoples don't like Chinese players because of their skill n often win the tournaments..... I thought "only" in my country that a lot of peoples who said Chinese players are arrogant or something like that.... Don't judge the book by its cover, PLZ..... "Only my opinion"

sure thing honey. Equipped with a logic like that, you will never lose a debate.


Thanks for your support.!!

come on, those players are very familiar with each other; look at they pat others after the game. I don't know others, but when I play with my buddies, we joke around to let opponent make mistakes. Maybe it's a little too tense in WC stage, but a professional player should have the ability to overcome all. Is there anyone ever winning a WC title by saying sth? No.

What an instereting topic.... Don't like Chinese player only because their attitude that u see in TV or on court.... Are they wrong to express their happiness when get points?! Are they wrong to give spirit to theirselves?! Are u sure that ONLY Chinese players who act like that?! N how come u said they are arrogant?! Should they great all the peoples that they meet or smile to everyone even to the peoples thay they don't know?! I think too much peoples don't like Chinese players because of their skill n often win the tournaments..... I thought "only" in my country that a lot of peoples who said Chinese players are arrogant or something like that.... Don't judge the book by its cover, PLZ..... "Only my opinion"

Sorry, can't rebut your comments because I don't understand them, even after reading several times. No offence.

fu wang are you trying to say everyone (in your case chinese players) have rigths to express thier feeling be it happy, sad or depress or frustarted ??

Haha.. i think nokh88 just upset because LYD failed to win after a nail biting end in MD final.

Thank you both China and Korea pairs, you guys give us a very fantastic match.
Congratulation to China pairs, and for Korea pairs keep going one day it will be yours.

People don't like their race to be insulted and that is what you are doing.

So, I can openly say I don't like TH because he is so lazy and un-motivated most of the time and Wijaya seems so arrogant to me? I can openly say anything just because I feel like it and don't care about other people's feeling?

This is a public forum, keep it clean!

Actually, people have said such stuff (and more) abt non China players. One of the England MD has been called arrogant before. And far far worse things have been said abt certain non China players - lazy, unmotivated, arrogant, hopeless, etc,etc. At those times, those who stood up & say "Dont say like that" were ridiculed in the name of free speech.

And I dont think this nokh was refering to race as in Chinese race specifically (and I'm Chinese by descent).

Therefore........... you get the idea by now. ;)

Anyway, great match Fu/Cai, back in style in 2009.

LOL, so you and all the supporters of Chinese players agreed that CY's antics was uncalled for and I was right about his poor sportsmanship.

Therefore, if I rephrase it to : "Cai Yun is a lousy player" and all the supporters of Chinese players would accept this remark.

Just for your info, LWW and Chandra Wijaya serve from very high above the waist and they were not faulted, why the inconsistency with LYD?

I ask you to take that accuse to CY back, seriously. Because as you said, all your accuse is based on what you see "from the tv's camera that 'YOU' was watching that day". What I saw is in the final ceremony they all greet and smile to each other, which make me feel very happy. I'm sorry you didn't notice that completely, again.

About ur last question, I can't believe some adults are just stupid enough to say that so loudly.... Well, I remember when my nephew was 5, he's asked me similar question and my answer is "Someone kill people without punishment, will you do that?"

Thank you for making me laugh. I mean really.

@nokh88
Some Chinese players do wear their pride on their sleeves. That is because they are proud.

I would like to point out that the service judge called a service fault on the Chinese pair at the start of the second half of the 3rd game. It just so happened that China lost 3 points in a row from a lead of 11-8.

P.S. I will have to watch the match video again to comment on the accusations you suggested.

Let it be lah. he's just a kid, never an adult. a sore self-righteous fan who just can't take the fact that F/C won the game. "2 Korean players vs 3 Chinese players"? what a joke.

I ask you to take that accuse to CY back, seriously. Because as you said, all your accuse is based on what you see "from the tv's camera that 'YOU' was watching that day". What I saw is in the final ceremony they all greet and smile to each other, which make me feel very happy. I'm sorry you didn't notice that completely, again.

About ur last question, I can't believe some adults are just stupid enough to say that so loudly.... Well, I remember when my nephew was 5, he's asked me similar question and my answer is "Someone kill people without punishment, will you do that?"

Thank you for making me laugh. I mean really.

It is definitely a great one. However, LYD should retire from the Mix Doubles. This really cost him the game. Even though he lost must earlier. ;) Could have been anyones game. Both party got match points. ;) Keep it coming! ;)

LOL, so you and all the supporters of Chinese players agreed that CY's antics was uncalled for and I was right about his poor sportsmanship, except that I made a mistake to categories that he is a "Chinese Player". Therefore, if I rephrase it to : "Cai Yun is a lousy player" and all the supporters of Chinese players would accept this remark. Then, thanks and I rest my case.


What I meant is that you have the right to express your opinions but making racist comments is unacceptable in today's society. No matter what and how you say now, many of us know what and who you are.

I play badminton with people from all over the world. We befriend with each other, and enjoy games together. It is natural a person has his/her national pride but he/she should not express it with hatred and at the expense of hurting others.

I watched the match video last night. It is my opinion

Cai/FU:Jung/Lee

Game 1: 60:40
Game 2: 30:70
Game 3: 50:50

Jung/Lee played slightly better overall but made several deadly unforced errors. In games 2 and 3, they attached way more than Cai/Fu and gave very little chance to Cai/FU to attack; however whenever Cai/Fu got the chance to attack, they nailed it.

ladies and gentlemen,
please do admire the great matches of World Championship and we dont want to see any great match among BC members.

thanks.

Sorry, a little of track, how can Korea win when they are playing against 3 players? (CY/FHF/Service Judge)


I remembered there were at least 2 calls that were favor to the Korean, I don't see how the service judge is bias to the Chinese. Not to mention the game was played on a neutral ground.

I was cheering for LYD/JJS on the way, but win is a win, please do not discount the winner.

It was a great match indeed. Also got an heart attack near the end. :p

It is definitely a great one. However, LYD should retire from the Mix Doubles. This really cost him the game. Even though he lost must earlier. ;) Could have been anyones game. Both party got match points. ;) Keep it coming! ;)
agreed, i said that before he should concentrate on one double first. doesnt matter which one,

I watched the match video last night. It is my opinion

Cai/FU:Jung/Lee

Game 1: 60:40
Game 2: 30:70
Game 3: 50:50

Jung/Lee played slightly better overall but made several deadly unforced errors. In games 2 and 3, they attached way more than Cai/Fu and gave very little chance to Cai/FU to attack; however whenever Cai/Fu got the chance to attack, they nailed it.

i would agree with this.

hence, i think the GOLD should have gone to both the Koreans and Chinese! :D

I know only a few koreans who speak at times in this forum. But no one here in this thread.

All it means that the forum fighting happening here should be between

Chinese fans vs. World fans (except Korea)

that implies whose opinions are more objective.

Enjoy guys, game is just game. :)

In this particular thread, it's nokh88 against the world.:D

I know only a few koreans who speak at times in this forum. But no one here in this thread.

All it means that the forum fighting happening here should be between

Chinese fans vs. World fans (except Korea)

that implies whose opinions are more objective.

Enjoy guys, game is just game. :)

I watched the last couple of points again in the final game.

Cai Yun was simply asking if it was his serve, obviously they lost track of whose turn it was in the heat of it. He soon realized it was not his and gave the shuttle to Fu Haifeng.

My opinion anyway.

In this particular thread, it's nokh88 against the world.:D

Fully agree. If nokh88 only mentioned the Cai/Fu pair, I would not have bothered to say anything no matter if it is true or false.

I watched the last couple of points again in the final game.

Cai Yun was simply asking if it was his serve, obviously they lost track of whose turn it was in the heat of it. He soon realized it was not his and gave the shuttle to Fu Haifeng.

My opinion anyway.

OMG!!!!!!!

So that's what nokh88 said about "Lousy", "unsporstmanship" behavior that "should be banned"??????? And that' why I can't find what he means even though I watched the games several times already??????

How amazing is that?

Our nokh88 can't recognize LYD's serve as above waist, but without any hesitate he accused the serve judge to be unfair.

In the mean while, when CY was checking with the umpire for who's serving, he take that as a extremely rude action to distract LYD to lose the point.

Interesting, especially from such a "objective" "world" fan....

nokh88, if this is the act that you accused at CY, you must make an apology to him seriously.

After all, although we can always express whatever we want to say, it is you that let Hatred and Bias blind your eyes.

I know only a few koreans who speak at times in this forum. But no one here in this thread.

All it means that the forum fighting happening here should be between

Chinese fans vs. World fans (except Korea)

that implies whose opinions are more objective.

Enjoy guys, game is just game. :)


Lol... Great approach. First, paint one side as the god, then use one side's standard to judge the rest. :cool:

After every single event, every single match, every single point, there will be some CHN coach, player, staff, etc being dragged here to be flamed. Of course, some of them do mis-behave here and there, but so do everyone of us. Overall, we are all human.

So, if CY's normal consulting can be "lousy" or "should be banned", I do not see where the "objective" coming from. I would rather think about all such are a result of jealousy.

Anyway, a suppose great MD (no it's not perfect, and that's true for anything in this world) discussion, no got dragged to be a popularity contest, and as always, finger pointing of the CHN players. Well, if that's so call "objective", then I would rather being the narrow minded "subjective", to listen to what CY really did by my own ears. :cool:

[quote=xidai;1236208]OMG!!!!!!!

So that's what nokh88 said about "Lousy", "unsporstmanship" behavior that "should be banned"??????? And that' why I can't find what he means even though I watched the games several times already??????[QUOTE]

SAD = Please watch again and again and again to know what I was refering to. All this while I thought all you guys who argued knows which action Cai Yun did that I was refering to. I was wrong. My conclusion now is that you guys are so pro Cai Yun that you all miss it.

Btw, if after watching it numerous times and you still can't spot his unsporting behavoir, go and ask him.

I rest my case, for the second time and it's final.

I know only a few koreans who speak at times in this forum. But no one here in this thread.

All it means that the forum fighting happening here should be between

Chinese fans vs. World fans (except Korea)

that implies whose opinions are more objective.

Enjoy guys, game is just game. :)
ur wrong,
INA and MAS fans are quite vocal i must say.

Since CHN wins most of the time, we don't need to fight, we mostly defend from accusations and excessive hot gases blowing our way

ladies and gentlemen,
please do admire the great matches of World Championship and we dont want to see any great match among BC members.

thanks.very hard to do, even LD has to be calm down by the ladies:D after he had won his match already http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jt827rAhmzE (3:15)

We all enjoyed the magnificent shows put up by all the players including these two pairs in this tournament, to which we should be grateful. As said by lazybuddy, there are always imperfections, technical or non-technical. We are allowed to like or displike things we see. However nokh88's arguments and logic are absurd. We all know you love LYD and you felt sorry about his loss, which is nothing wrong, but you put the blames on the Chinese pair and categorically generalize an anti-Chinese players conclusion from your personal bitter feeling, which is dead wrong.

I really wish we could make comments without categorically defaming a country and all players from that country unless there are evidences to demonstrate wrong doings orchestrated collectively by that country.

SAD = Please watch again and again and again to know what I was refering to. All this while I thought all you guys who argued knows which action Cai Yun did that I was refering to. I was wrong. My conclusion now is that you guys are so pro Cai Yun that you all miss it.

Btw, if after watching it numerous times and you still can't spot his unsporting behavoir, go and ask him.

I rest my case, for the second time and it's final.[/QUOTE]

You said before that it is the last shot, and what I saw from there is he's just checking with the umpire. If you think we misunderstood you, come on, then just point out which one you are referring to. What's the score before and after that you so called "lousy" action? How bad it is acted to LYD?

If we still can't agree with each other. I will upload the clip to youtube, let the other members be the judges.

Your "rest the case" means nothing to me, because you just can't accuse somebody "lousy" and "Very unsporstmanship" without clear evidence. You must apologize for ur crude words.

PS. how about the "waist" thing? do you think the serve judge's still "unfair" to the totally innocent LYD?

If you can't prove ur accuse, THINK BEFORE YOU SAY or TAKE IT BACK AFTER!

SAD = Please watch again and again and again to know what I was refering to. All this while I thought all you guys who argued knows which action Cai Yun did that I was refering to. I was wrong. My conclusion now is that you guys are so pro Cai Yun that you all miss it.

Btw, if after watching it numerous times and you still can't spot his unsporting behavoir, go and ask him.

I rest my case, for the second time and it's final.final answer still can be incorrect. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dMriTkE3igY

Btw, if after watching it numerous times and you still can't spot his unsporting behavoir, go and ask him.



Xidai, told you. Let him be lah. With a classical argument like that, do you still expect to engage him in a meaningful discussion?

nokh88's perception:

He was making a high serve gesture to JJS to distract him. Very unsporstmanship like. :mad:

My perception:
CY was playing a psychological tactic to let JJS second-guess
his serve, had he serve the last point. He did a high serve
that completely caught JJS off-guard @23 even.
A very smart move.

To nokh88, in case you don't get it, Please watch again and again and again..

he was probably just trying to loosen up the service action cause he was so tense.

and besides, being pros why would JJS / LYD be even remotely distracted by it?

One play does not change the game result, be it's the last one, or the first one, or something in the middle. Both KOR and CHN pairs have numerious match points at earlier stages, but none of them can capitalize, therefore, both sides let the chance slip away numerous times. Then, CHN finally got grip on it, then they won. The game is really 50-50, and both sides did amazing job to get to the final stage. However, at the end, the luck has to shift either this way or that.

By human nature, we tend to remember and pay more attention on the game's last play, and totally ignore what had happened for the past 1 or 2 hours. If KOR can capitalize their 5 or 6 match points earlier, or to be better, close it out in 2 sets, then there will never be FHF's serve or CY's "trick" what so ever. So, who to blame actually? :rolleyes:

actually there's so much contoroversial in that game in my opinion..the scores are tigth especially the third ...no party can "kills off " anyone , until the so call "trick " moment...just a bit of luck Cai & Fu prevail ....

OK, tonight I have watched "over and over again". Now I think I got the act that you want us to see.

However, for me it is just such a simple loosen move, to prepare for his serve (But the umpire switch it to FHF later). It's a tense game, they are all exhausted. Practicing before you really serve would be so normal. I really don't think that ordinary action would make such a controversy, only if you really try hard to make it one.

My points also include: CY was not even looking at Korea pairs at that time. He was staring at somewhere very high in the ceiling, obviously already concentrating on his thoughts of next serve. It would really weird if you try to angry somebody without even looked at him, right?

On the other hand, at that time LYD was back to his bag, drinking water, talking to his coach or something else. It is impossible for him to notice that action. In the meanwhile, JJS stayed at the front, but from next shot, apparently he's not bothered at all. They all go back to the game quickly.

So once again, it is absolutely not an offense to the Korea players. For me it is just an ordinary act that he's trying to loosen his move. Actually lots of people kind of also like to do that very often. In such a high tense game, player would rely on his techniques rather than teasing to win the game. And it needs the highest level of your imagination to translate it as a "lousy" action.

To me, JJJ's stare at Chinese player is more offensive.

I hope there's some HD video quality available for download for this great md final..:D:D

Here is my on-scene opinion, as I shared with avataar.

The 3 MD matches from semifinals to finals are indeed of the highest intensity and probably quality for the 21-pts system (well, except part of the 3rd game of CY/FHF vs Fairuz/Zakry).

However, for outright quality, quite a number of matches in the older 15-pts system is of higher quality, but not intensity. This is my opinion only. :p

As the speed of movement and explosive power is of paramount importance now, it is reaction and explicit timing that is seen as the defining moment, not so much the thought process in the buildup of the rallies. Whereas previously, the thinking player is able to change from defence to attack almost at will, the current game's higher speeds and faster players make it less easy to do so. Such that pts are won on mistakes made on attack or breaking down the defence into submission.

And of course, the mental games (staring at your opponents, celebration of a point) is one way to apply even more pressure on the opponent. This is perfectly legal and I don't see anything wrong with CHN pair's swagger on court.

Agree with abedeng's analysis. The plays are so fast that you couldn't see the shuttle in low quality video.

I hope there's some HD video quality available for download for this great md final..:D:D

The videos uploaded by uploader08 are very good.

http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=1e8c25cc9c294ef66e7203eb87368129e7c396f4 e8806f8c5621d66e282a0ee8