Cab 20 SP appears again and the price is only HK$423.

Last month, the market price was HK$800.

Because theres more of it, the price goes down.

Is there any colour changes with this new Cab20? Compared to the older black and purple?

Where to buy?

Originally posted by Byro-Nenium
Because theres more of it, the price goes down.

Is there any colour changes with this new Cab20? Compared to the older black and purple?

Byron, hv you bought the MP77 HK?
And u're very free indeed. Changing your location (Penang) wherever you go! :p

nice! now i wonder how these new production cab20 plays. if anything close to the CN, i may have found my replacement racket. for the price of Iso900SS CN, i can buy 4 cab20 SP! who cares if i break one every 3 months.

Dear all Cab 20 Fans,

Lavendar Cab 20 SP is selling at HK$423 ( 10% discount on list price HK$470 for credit card payment ) in Wan Kee and Youth Sports Shop, in Mongkok of Hong Kong.

The lavendar Cab 20 is of new YY logo, bearing yellow PBSI logo on the plastic cone, mainly of 2UG4. It comes with leather grip.

Emmy Sports is selling lavendar Cab 20 SP at about HK$800, before it appears in Wan Kee and Youth Sports Shop. It seems Emmy will put aside all the Cab 20 now and put them back on the shelf and sells at HK$800 later on, once the stock in Wan Kee and Youth Sports Shop are sold out.

If you like Cab 20, it is right time to acquire one.


YY Fan

Hi YY Fan,

Full details!!!!

I have bought 2 immediately yesterday.

I would 1 first, if it is OK, I would buy more for back up.

: )

forrestyung: Please give us some insight of the new Lavendar Cab 20 after you playing it. Thanks.

HI Marky,

I am sick today and cannot try the new Cab 20. My next game would be next Tuesday, I would report the performance.

My experience is that every Cab 20 has different performance (some buying racket also by luck). I hope my two new Cab 20s are equal and having good performance.

forrestyung: You are so kind, and I hope you get better soon.

I hope you are getting better and return to badmin soon. By the way would you tell me any good is out of cab 20 SP comparing with other Cabs 20 and cab 23 because I like to get one of Cab but I don't know which is which, plus we don't have the golden chance to hold it and buy it with bargain prices like you. Thanks a lot
Get well soon

ForrestY,

Are you better yet? Still waiting for the assessment on the cab20 you bought ;)

cheung: it is not Tuesday, though.

Sure it's cab 20, not cab 20 special made in Taiwan ?

Originally posted by Marky
cheung: it is not Tuesday, though.

Could have made a premature recovery :)
Definately it's the cab20sp and not the cab20 special. Direct visual confirmation by me.

I am also anxious at ForrestY’s review. Unfortunately, he states his next game is on next Tuesday ie. Oct 29, 2002. We all have to wait till that date.

Dear All,

I still not yet recover, anyway I must go back to my club in coming Tuesday. (more exerise, faster recover)

I have a friend also buy the Cab 20 SP on the next day. He strung in 26lbs, the frame is OK and no problem. He mentioned that the performance is OK and no major different. But his Cab 20 SP broke when he was trying to string at 30lbs.

I will report my comment on 29/10/2002 night.

My friend bought one fo the cab20sp and strung it with BG66 at 25lbs.

I tried it last night. The grip was a little big for me. The racquet felt quite ordinary. Not bad. Definately not the same as my cab20cn. The cab20cn feels more solid. HOWEVER, the cab20cn had BG65 strings which are probably slightly heavier. Can this contribute to the more solid feeling?

Let me ask a very "stupid" question, since I never have a chance to try original Cab20.

Recently, I bought a Cab20 MS. Personally, I think this racket is a good overall racket. Just want to know, is there big difference between Cab20 and Cab20 MS?

Not been able to try out the cab20muscle yet.

Funnily enugh, it doesn't seem too popular. Is it because MP99 has more striking colour scheme?

Hi every one

It is so confusing about Cab 20 SP and Cab 20 Special, Can any one post the pictures of them. That would be highly appreciated.

Cab 20 Special is made in Taiwan if I'm not wrong. The reason why it's named Cab 20 Special is to "trick" newbies into buying the racket because of the word "special" IMO. DEfinately nothing special about that racket!

The Cab 20 original is still the best.

There're many version of the Cab 20 originals. plus Cab 20 Muscle, Cab 20 Special, etc.

Thanks a lot for your information because I have been offered of one Cab 20 SP ( it states on the shaft ) and the colour is not black and dark green , I doubt very much. So again how would you tell if it is Cab 20 Orginals? and how many version of the Cab 20 Original are there ?

Thanks in advance

Carbonex 20 SP is NOT Carbonex 20 SPECIAL. It will be stated clearly on the shaft whether it's SP or Special.

SP is a designated code for where it should be sold. Example: SP = Singapore or South Pacific?, Australia = AS, Japan = JP, HK = Hong Kong, CD = Canada, US = United States, etc.

I'm not too sure about how many versions of Cab 20 originals there are. Cab 20 SP is an original btw.

You are pretty good and quick I though I had to wait but straight away I got your reply. Thanks for that
the guy who is selling Cab 20 SP said it is Cab 20 Special when I asked what SP stand for. The color is like dark gold or between brown and yellow. So it should be the Cab 20 Orginal one, what I am trying to say here is I love to have one but I don't want to get the Not-Orginal one. Please help me out.
Once again you have been so much helpful, Thanks

how much is a Cab20 worth ?

Originally posted by TOmike
how much is a Cab20 worth ?

What do u mean? It already said very beginning of this thread :)

Originally posted by Vdz
You are pretty good and quick I though I had to wait but straight away I got your reply. Thanks for that
the guy who is selling Cab 20 SP said it is Cab 20 Special when I asked what SP stand for. The color is like dark gold or between brown and yellow. So it should be the Cab 20 Orginal one, what I am trying to say here is I love to have one but I don't want to get the Not-Orginal one. Please help me out.
Once again you have been so much helpful, Thanks

Let's get this straight because the nomenclature of cab20 is pretty confusing

The cab20 came out in 1985. It was just called 'carbonex 20'.
It looks like this (but with out the baby!)
http://www.badmintonforum.com/vb/showthread.php?s=&threadid=6887

There were two colour schemes. One had blue trimming as in the thread above and also a red instead of blue version. Just to confuse things, an orange trim version appeared of which I have only seen a couple.

Later, the racquets in SE Asia end up with 'sp' added on, hence the term 'sp'.

So now our cab20 original is now called cab20sp (so some people still refer this as the original cab20)

Other versions of cab20 appeared:
cab20 power
cab20 tour
cab20 long
cab20 Ti
cab20 special (not 'sp')

These have different paint compared with our cab 20 original. But the original cab20/cab20sp is mainly black with blue/red/orange trimming

lol i think someone i know has one and doesn't know the value of it.. maybe i should buy it off her :P

Originally posted by TOmike
lol i think someone i know has one and doesn't know the value of it.. maybe i should buy it off her :P

Are you talking about a baby?

Just a little addition. Cab20 power is also the same as cab22. Don't ask me why the same racquet has two different names. Maybe Cooler can help out?

Woa!!! I truly thank you very much to get this thing straight and clear. And I am so amazed of how much knowledge you got. Once again it is really so much appreciated, Cheung

Just glad I can help out.

Here's a picture of my very battle worn cab20. These are the original version.

lol cheung, your tools of the trade, forged out of the fires of mount Fuji..
jk

no i mean someone at my school lol.

btw, did u stock up on Cab 20's or something? u got like 3 or 4

My old cab 20

My "newer" old cab 20 sp

Thanks all of you, I definitely will get one of them Cab20 SP (not special !!! :D )

Originally posted by TOmike
btw, did u stock up on Cab 20's or something? u got like 3 or 4

Sorry only seven original cab20. I'd like to get more!
Four cab22 (i.e. equiv to cab2opower) - stiffer than cab20 so quite good for doubles. For singles, I prefer orginal cab20

Hey doc, do u have the orange one? I had the pleasure of playing with an orange one and I shoudl agree the quality and feel that you get form old symbol rackets are truly amazing! I dunno why.

I guess u shuld buy somemore and keep them wrapped in a Airtight Bocx or something like that for future years. I still agree that Cab 20 and Cab 21 are amazing rackets! so is the Iso 600...

Cab 20 Power is Too blue but it is a very good racket as well. I think it is diff to get as it is old symbol and it is decently stiff. Overall a very godo racket. Is cab 22 still available?

wow 7?!?! U really must like the racket alot!

I guess the Cab 20 wasn't during my time. Iso 800 was the more popular racket then.

But I managed to try the Cab 20 (Blue), Cab 20 SP (Blue), Cab 20 Muscle, Cab 20 Special, Cab 20 tour and Cab 20 SP (Purple), courtesy of Mongoose and Byron!

Kinda mix up between which is which. But I know the Cab 20 (Blue, without SP) stands out from the rest. The closest to it is the Cab 20 SP (Blue).

Cab 20 Muscle is slightly more flexible and has more repulsion. As for the Cab 20 Special.... well, erm.... nothing special. :D But it's a pretty decent racket actually.

Hey Byron, why don't you give your views. I know you've quite a number of Cab 20s, including the Cab 20 Special.

Dear All,

I have played with my old Cab 20sp (old logo bought at 1996) and my new Cab 20sp (new logo bought a last week) tonight and the following comments:

Both rackets are newly strung at 24lbs, BG85, 2UG4 with one layer cover grip.

The head of the new one is a little bit lighter than the old one. Furthermore, the feel of the old 20sp is more solid; but the new one is only in and out, not very clear in every hit. Power and control is almost the same at the old one. The stiffness of the shaft is also almost the same. (Since my experience is that every Cab 20 have a little bit differences, so I only can use almost the same)

The performance is OK, just the ball feeling is not as good as the old Cab 20. Still a very good and all round racket.

A few people say that the earlier production of cab20sp is better than the newer production cab20sp.

Your observation adds weight to this statement.

Originally posted by Cheung


Are you talking about a baby?

Just a little addition. Cab20 power is also the same as cab22. Don't ask me why the same racquet has two different names. Maybe Cooler can help out?

I believe yonex introduced the cab20 power first before cab22. Since i didn't see the japan yy catalog for that year, I don't know if cab20 power was sold in japan or not but i believe cab22 was for the japan market only. After a year or 2, yonex finally drop the cab20 power and start selling cab22 to all market. I could use another cab20 power/cab22 if they are available for sale. It comes in both 2U and 3U. I cracked mine cab20 power (10:30 o clock) when i hit my right knee after a smash follow thru from the left rear court. The red linear bruise on the knee area lasted for 4 days. I have performed many experimental stringing pattern/technique on this racket (ie. abused hard) and maybe is the reason why it cracked when i struck my knee. At one time for 3 months, i had doubled cross strings at 22&20 lbs, ie 42 lbs total cross. I can't really blame my cab20 power for cracking. Funny thing is that i'm still continuing to play MD with the damaged cab20 power as is, hard too. Of course at a much lower tension of 23 lbs.

Originally posted by cooler
I have performed many experimental stringing pattern/technique on this racket (ie. abused hard) and maybe is the reason why it cracked when i struck my knee. .

How do you string the racquet with your knees? :rolleyes:

Err, sorry cheung, i don't want to divulge my multi point stringing method :p

What do you cab users think of Cab 20 muscle?

anybody notice the colour of the plastic cap on the grip handle?

20CN - old logo, black & gold
20SP (old stock) - old logo, green & white
20SP (latest stock) - new logo, black & gold

also, on the shaft of 20CN & my old orange 20SP there is no "MADE IN JAPAN" printed on it, but on the lavender 20SP it printed with "MADE IN JAPAN", any ideas ???

Originally posted by ASDFASDF
What do you cab users think of Cab 20 muscle?

I bought a Cab20MS (strung with BG65 @ 21 lb) about 2-3 weeks ago for US$ 90. So far, I've been using that for about 15 hrs already.

I consider it as a pretty good overall racket, with good control and reasonable power (I don't do much smash anyway). Ppl did suggest me that with a little bit more tension (say, for me, 22 - 24 lb) will give me better feeling. I guess I will re-string it when I am really eagerly to try.

I will provide more detail review after more practice in the near future.

Anyone seen an old cab20 with black shaft and frame, trim is magenta/red with gold striping. It's a MA version, would this be for Malaysia?

This cab20 was suppose to be a tournament player's spare racket?

Hi all,

I will go to Tokyo and HK later this year and really eager to buy a Cab 20 since I lost my old SP :(
Can anyone tell me what's the street price of a Cab 20 JP or CN in HK and where can I buy them? Would it be cheaper to buy the JP in Japan? The MSRP for the Cab 20 is 16000 Yan as stated in the Yonex Japan homepage.
Thanks~

I have an old Carb 20 (red), circa 86 that I did not like for a long time and used it as a backup racket; I then preferred the original Carb 8. I had it restrung recently with BG 66 and started using it again and I am getting to like more than my Carb 25 with BG 68Ti and my MP 77 with BG68Ti. It might be the strings or tension as it is of a lower tension than Carb 25 or MP 77. It actually feels quite good and I get a hard smash when I time it right and when my shoulder is not hurting too bad. The rackets with the BG 68Ti feels like a flat wooden paddle. I will have to compare it with my MP 55 (with BG 68TI) or a MP 99 or MP 100 if I get around to getting those rackets.

All in all, the original Carb 20 is a good racket with medium flex. The tension of the racket should not be too tight (20 lbs or so), and it seems to play well with BG 66 or maybe BG 65.

Ron

i tried the original cab 20 today and wow i'm impressed. i'm guessing it came out so long ago but its still a quality racquet... too bad i ordered my Swing power already :P

To Ronk,

Would you sell it (the red Cab 20)? I want one for my collection.

Regards,
Forrest

Sorry forrestyung but I do not want to sell this racket.

As I said I am starting to like this racket and so do not want to get rid of it. It also hard to ship from the US to Hong Kong. For your information, it is a red (or is it purple) original G3/U Carb 20 from about 1986. I like a G3 over a G4 (as I have to use an overgrip with G4). The racket is still in great shape as I did not use it much, and it works well with BG 66. I have an even older racket somewhere -- an original Yoneyama 8000, but that racket has strings that are totally shot and brittle. Now that is a real collector's racket.

Ron

Incidentally I insist my cab rackets be strung with BG66. I am extremely please with this combo.

To Ron, Forrest or anyone:

Is the red Cab20 similar to the image I posted in this thread (page 2). I recently purchased this racket. It's a MA version. I have neither heard of a red Cab20 or a MA version that why I'm asking. Thanks for any insight.:rolleyes:

To Ron, Forrest or anyone:

Is the red Cab20 similar to the image I posted in this thread (page 2). I recently purchased this racket. It's a MA version. I have neither heard of a red Cab20 or a MA version that why I'm asking. Thanks for any insight.:rolleyes:

1putt:

Cheung in page 2 of this thread has explained clearly the different colour schemes of an original cab 20.

Despite, I have once owned a red version old cab 20 which looks similar to the colour scheme as shown in your picture above. I have no knowledge of "MA" version however.

I hope this helps you.

Marky,

Thanks, now that I re-read Cheung's post, he did mentioned the red version between the blue and orange. Appreciate your help.:o

1putt: You are welcome.

Marky,

Yup, it is like the picture that 1putt posted for the red Carb 20. It is a U/G3 and has an SP engraved on the handle somewhere. I am surprised how well it now plays given I did not like it when I first got it and preferred using the original Carb 8 instead. It works well with BG 66 but not with the original Hi Sheep by Gossen strings.

Ron

Ron:

One of my cab 20s is also U which is at least 94 grams+. Comparing with my other 2U cab 20, it is heavier in overall weight, lesser maneuverability but compensate with more pounding smashes. My best guess you begin to like your U cab 20 is that you have developed a stronger wrist, arm and shoulder and improvement of skill to handle this weighted racket. I wish you enjoy this legendary racket.

(Side note: to me, BG66 is perfect match with my cab rackets)

Dear Marky,

"MA" means Malaysia.


YY Fan

Thank you YYF. I never have a chance to come across a MA version cab 20, thus, I don't have any knowledge at all even of its existence.

Actually, I find very little difference in weight between and U and 2U. I do not like 3U as 3U rackets are too light. I started with a wooden frame racket+steel shaft and for a long time had to make to do with something in the L range. If a wooden racket was under 5 ounces, or under 140 grams, it was considered a light racket. The Carlton 3.7X was a light racket in its day and it weighed about 104 grams. Only after the Carb 7, did we begin to get truly light rackets of U and then 2 U and now 3 and 4 U. The balance and feel are actually more important than the weight to me.

Ron

is this still available in Wan Kee at that price? a friend of mine really want to buy one. (i swear, it is not me. :) )

Sure! I saw it last Sunday.

Can anyone tell me if those Cab 20 is still available and what are other racket's price is in HK right now?

I want to know the price for MP100, MP99, Ti10 and where you can get them. A friend of mine is in HK right now and he can bring some racket back for me. Thanks everyone.

Lefty,

look up 3 posts.

Passed by Wan Kee really quickly a couple of days ago.

Cab20sp still there
Ti10sp there for 700HKD

Originally posted by Cheung
Passed by Wan Kee really quickly a couple of days ago.

Cab20sp still there
Ti10sp there for 700HKD

What a good work!! Thanks for that Cheung, pls keep it up.

Originally posted by Cheung
Passed by Wan Kee really quickly a couple of days ago.

Cab20sp still there
Ti10sp there for 700HKD

What's Wan Kee's address? Thanks!

Fa Yuen Street in Mong Kok, Nearby the Mong Kok MTR station.

There are many subsidaries of Wan Kee, but different names, price also the same, so you can find one to buy it.

AnyOne know the tel.Number of the Wan.Kee?I'am not in HK but interested in these cheap Cab20sp.Thanx first.

i hope they still have it. as i already have a stack of order for that racket. do you think WanKee will allow customer to not string the racket there? i know shops who would frown at that as some shops lower their tag price only to recover the loss from the stringing.

Originally posted by YY Fan
Dear all Cab 20 Fans,

Lavendar Cab 20 SP is selling at HK$423 ( 10% discount on list price HK$470 for credit card payment ) in Wan Kee and Youth Sports Shop, in Mongkok of Hong Kong.



10% discount IF one pays via credit card? isn't that against the norm? usually shops in HK charges more if paying via credit card.

Wan Kee only provide 10% discount for Visa or Master card user.

On the other hand, the staff would persuade you to string in their shop. Last time when I purchased two rackets, I said I need 25lbs tension, then the staff let me buy the rackets only, no need to string. You can try this way.

well, i just bought the last 4 cab20 that Wan Kee has. the salesman had to go scout over 9 shops to find these 4. so i guess that's the last of this batch from the Wan Kee network of shops. as advertised, $423 for credit card payment.

i asked if there are anymore and he is still trying to find out.

i also see them in other shops. but i didn't ask for the price.

Shall we rename this thread, "no more cab20 because of Kwun"?:rolleyes: :)

Wan Kee still has stock, no need to be sad!!!!!

I saw two yesterday!!!

yes. i had them dig out more stocks coz i needed 8 of them total. 6 are for friends. 2 for myself. still at the same price....

Lucky, I have got one (with the help of one of the kind badminton fans in this forum) before kwun comes to town to raid these rackets.

hehe. :)

and btw, i didn't string any of them there. i think the saleman was bothered too much by me coz he spent nearly 30 mins searching through all the stores he just wanted me out of the door. he didn't even ask if i wanted stringing or not.

The special offer with Visa or Master is stopped. Now the price of Cab 20 is HK$450, Cab 21 and Iso 750 also HK$450........... in Wan Kee.

FY,

Talking to an 'A' grade players last night, I saw he switched form cab20 to MP90.

His reason was the cab20 broke. I said why don't you get cab20 japanese version. He said it's a different racquet.

I said "isn't it just the paintwork on the racquet that is different?"

He said "no, the racquet is different"

Unfortunately, I didn't get round to asking him if he had personally tried out Cab20JP but this is the 2nd time I have heard somebody say this.

Cheung,
Do you mean to say that the Cab20Sp, the new one, is not durable?
Where did it break? Did you catch a glimpse?

No, I think that guy was using a way old cab20 before.

He hadn't got a replacement cab20 becasue they are getting rarer.

Dear Cheung,

Is he mentioning Cab 20 JP or Cab 20 Muscle??

The Cab 20 JP is recommended by my friend and I am still waiting a sponsor to let me buy it:D .

Now, I am waiting Cab 20CN come back!! The price should be lower than Cab 20 JP.

Nope, we were definately talking about the cab20jp...not the muscle version.

When is cab20cn coming back? Are you sure it is going to make a return?

In my experience, JP version is more heavy and feel more solid than SP. This is occured in my friend's Ti 10 and MP100.

Maybe your friend feel this different??

My supplier said Cab 20 CN would come back and MP 100 CP will be stopped. Anyway, I would confirm it when I can purchase it:D

Noticed an interesting difference in the newer cab20sp paintwork.

The black parts of the racquet are not completely black. They have a slight reflective pattern. INfact, one of the cab20cn I have is like this (that is a newer one)

Comparing to an older cab20cn, the black part is completely black....very black

Hmm...is this of any significance?

Originally posted by forrestyung
In my experience, JP version is more heavy and feel more solid than SP. This is occured in my friend's Ti 10 and MP100.

Maybe your friend feel this different??

I will have to just try the JP version more extensively. Tried it once before but the stringing was way below what I am used to and couldn't get a good assessment of the racquet.

Hi everyone, I recently bought a Cab20TourSP (Black with green) with 'HK' serial and strung it with BG85 at 23lbs. I also bought a Cab21SP strung at 23/24. When I tried them out, I prefered the Cab21SP over the Cab20TourSP, The '20' didn't feel so good, it seems to take just a slight more effort than the '21'. There wasn't that much feedback as the '21'. Does anyone have any suggestion what it could be? Could it be too stiff? I am currently using a Ti-10 and I like it. I also bought 2 Iso800TourSp and like it too.

However I like to point out that my friend whom I played with prefered the '20' over the '21'.

I read somewhere in the old threads someone said the Cab20TourSP was stiffer than the Cab20/Cab20SP, can anyone verify this? I know the Cab20TourSP has 'High Modulus Carbon Graphite' and the Cab20SP has 'All Carbon Graphite'.

Would a Cab20SP (Blue with old logo) play/feel better than a Cab20TourSP (Black with green)? Also is there a real difference between a Cab20 and Cab20SP both old logo?

Hopefully I am not asking old questions as I have searched the old threads and can't find anything conclusive.

I will probably sell the Cab20TourSP which was only played that one time, watch out for the market place if anyone is interested.

Cheers
James

1) my impression is that the cab20tour is stiffer than the original cab20
2) wether this translates into 'better playability' is a matter of opinion
3) not sure wether the old logo cab20sp and original cab20 have much difference

Cab20cn has returned to HK. The graphite is the black slightly speckled pattern type. Not the very black type.

I agree with Forrest, the newer cab20sp (with serial number on shaft) doesn't feel as solid as the older cab20 racquets

r u guys...talking about just the normal cab 20?? or the cab 20 mucle...because i was thinking of getting the cab 20 muscle and i was wondering if there was any difference or appearance in the cab 20 mucle as of now...r there?

atj_w!
I have a Cab 20 SP (new logo) 2U G4.
Relatively new. Just strung with BG66 at 24/26lbs.
Wanna trade for your Cab 20 Tour?
I hope its G4 as well.
email me at little_tatty@hotmail.com.
thanks.

Originally posted by flipinese_azn
r u guys...talking about just the normal cab 20?? or the cab 20 mucle...because i was thinking of getting the cab 20 muscle and i was wondering if there was any difference or appearance in the cab 20 mucle as of now...r there?

All references to 'cab20' assume it is the original cab20.

All reference to 'cab20 muscle' assume it is the cab20 muscle

All reference to 'cab20tour' assume it is the cab20tour!

etc,etc...

G'day,

Sometimes in life one tend to forget how fortunate one is.

As some of the people here might know, I've been using MP100/90/77 for the past years, so pretty much I've been spoiled using the most wiz bang racket out there.

Recently, by pure chance, I managed to acquire a Cab20SP (blue trim, old logo) and a Cab22SP (or as some called, Cab20 Power) for really great price. I don't know why I wanted these rackets but when the chance came along, I jumped at the opportunity. At the start I mildly liked the Cab20 but did not rate the Cab22 all that highly as I found it a bit too head heavy and could not hit the shuttle cleanly.

Anyhow, I persisted and have been playing with the Cab20/21/22 for last couple of months and although I am consciously aware of these rackets are "the old" school of rackets, I have found them to be fuss free, solid, dependable, full of feel and can pack a punch. Now the Cab20 is my favorite racket, superceding the much loved MP90. It has sufficient power, good swing speed, excellent feel and pin point accuracy when excuting net shots.

When comparing apple to apple, the Cabs are not as powerful or as easy to use as the MP rackets, especially when excuting backhand clears, punch returns and are much less forgiving to off centre hits. But when middling everything, the Cabs are magnificent with explosive power and excellent feel that's hard to emulate with MP rackets.

After reading the posts here I feel humble to own an immaculate old logo Cab20SP and Cab21AS original. I've also had a rare chance to restring a Cab21 U G3 (Yes - a U G3, with very original YY logo) with purple trim that's over 12 years old from a Danish girl who recently arrived to Australia - what a classic!

Unfortunately, I've also come across too many players who mistreat their Cabs because they are old and worn. The last 5 cab rackets I had to restring were in such an appalling condition that I felt for them. When I asked the owner why they are in such a bad shape, they replied with "ah it is old and only a back up, so not looked after". Shame on them.

I am not about to sell off my MP racket collection just yet, but just to make a point to all the Cab players out there, you've got a great racket that's as good as any and if used to full potential, they absolutely brilliant. So please, please, look after them!

Originally posted by ayl

After reading the posts here I feel humble to own an immaculate old logo Cab20SP and Cab21AS original. I've also had a rare chance to restring a Cab21 U G3 (Yes - a U G3, with very original YY logo) with purple trim that's over 12 years old from a Danish girl who recently arrived to Australia - what a classic!



Is that Fourcas' friend? If so where'd she end up playing? And more importantly, is she better than you? ;)

Originally posted by Pecheur
Is that Fourcas' friend? If so where'd she end up playing? And more importantly, is she better than you? ;)


No, I don't know, no.

Originally posted by ayl
No, I don't know, no.

ayl, I think that is your most succint posting;)

Dear Cab20 fans,

Last night I had the chance to use 3 versions of the orginal cab20.
Cab20kr (old logo)
cab20cn (new logo)
cab20sp (new logo)

All were strung to similar tensions.

The most solid of the 3 was the Kr version!
sp version felt the flimsiest
cn version - inbetween the other two.

The kr version felt similar to my older 2nd hand cab20cn (old logo).

Cheung wrote:
Dear Cab20 fans,

Last night I had the chance to use 3 versions of the orginal cab20.
Cab20kr (old logo)
cab20cn (new logo)
cab20sp (new logo)

All were strung to similar tensions.

The most solid of the 3 was the Kr version!
sp version felt the flimsiest
cn version - inbetween the other two.

The kr version felt similar to my older 2nd hand cab20cn (old logo).



Were all Cab20's of the same weight? I know that the original Cab20 came in the U weight, or at least my came in the U weight. The Cab 20 should also be available in 2U (guessing but Yonex did make 2U rackets then). Anyway, I never did like the Cab20 all that much and did not use my Cab20 except as a backup and now my #9 backup racket. Hee Hee, but I have 10 rackets I prefer to the Cab 20 including 3 Cab 8's.

Ron

Yes, all same weight using same scales.

That's the strange thing. The feel of the racquet is different despite consistent weights?:confused:

Originally posted by Cheung
Yes, all same weight using same scales.

That's the strange thing. The feel of the racquet is different despite consistent weights?:confused:
Things aren't what they used to be nowadays Cheung, I bet Yonex has changed the material in the racket making(or process) to make it cheaper for production. Howeverm prolly cutting back on "essential" material for making the rackets, so you will feel that the rackets are actually different in terms of "solidity or sturdyness"

Definately a valid point. Not being part of the technical team, we don't know.

Another thing, remember the comparison is only my opinion and not backed up by true objective evidence (except for the weight).

I always say that all my cab 20 are different...............:p

In the old yy catalogue, it's stated that the rackets were made of full carbon graphite(cab 20/21), but nowaday it's stated that made of high modulas graphite. Is it the reason why the old logo rackets seem to have more solid feel???

If the logo has changed from the Cab20KR to the Cab20CN and Cab20Sp, then the rackets with the new logo are not the original Cab20. The original Cab20 came out about 15 years ago. It sounds that the Cab 20CN and the Cab20SP that Cheang has are the remakes of the original Cab20 and hence the different feel.

The Cab20 of that era (original Cab20) had a logo with the full triangles and circles with a line through each triangle.

Ron

The modulus of graphite is important to the weight and strength of the raquet. The old Cab 20 made with graphite had more epoxy in it and was a bit heavier. The new 20 has better quality graphite and the newer better graphite allows for less epoxy to be used. Graphite is a very good dampener of vibration and because the new raquet has a better ratio of graphite to epoxy you may feel if does not feel as solid because the vibration is not getting to your hand. Some players cannot get used to the newer feel and seek out the older versions. I know of one Canadian team member who continued to use his old Cab 8's until last year because he liked the powerful feel of his raquet. He switched this year to an MP100 and went back to his Cab 8 to see how it would feel. He said there was no comparison the Mp100 was way lighter and much more powerful. It just show's that when you become accustomed to a feel it takes time to change.

Originally posted by eggroll
The modulus of graphite is important to the weight and strength of the raquet. The old Cab 20 made with graphite had more epoxy in it and was a bit heavier. The new 20 has better quality graphite and the newer better graphite allows for less epoxy to be used. Graphite is a very good dampener of vibration and because the new raquet has a better ratio of graphite to epoxy you may feel if does not feel as solid because the vibration is not getting to your hand. Some players cannot get used to the newer feel and seek out the older versions. I know of one Canadian team member who continued to use his old Cab 8's until last year because he liked the powerful feel of his raquet. He switched this year to an MP100 and went back to his Cab 8 to see how it would feel. He said there was no comparison the Mp100 was way lighter and much more powerful. It just show's that when you become accustomed to a feel it takes time to change.
Now that's wut I call inside info :p

My old Cab20 (original and more than 15 years old) has a lousy feel. One can feel the vibration and it somehow lacks power. I feel that the original Cab8 has more power and the Cab25 has a much nicer feel. Anyway, I now use Gosen Roots Gravun Aermet 3400, MP99, Prince Triple Threat, and occasionally MP77. I no longer find the Cab20 fun to play with but the Cab8 is still a great racket.

Ron

Originally posted by ronk
My old Cab20 (original and more than 15 years old) has a lousy feel. One can feel the vibration and it somehow lacks power. I feel that the original Cab8 has more power and the Cab25 has a much nicer feel. Anyway, I now use Gosen Roots Gravun Aermet 3400, MP99, Prince Triple Threat, and occasionally MP77. I no longer find the Cab20 fun to play with but the Cab8 is still a great racket.

Ron

I can always swop a new cab20sp for your old cab20.

Thanks Eggroll, tat was a nice explanattion. Guess I must be one of the 'old guys' on the forum.

Originally posted by forrestyung
I always say that all my cab 20 are different...............:p

Besides the different materials, cab20's have been manufactured over a long period of time. In that time, the manufacturing machinery might have had services/replacements/recalibration so cab20 racquets from different times may have been manufactured with different tolerances ('unintentionally' of course)

Also, the Cab20 is now avaible in the Muscle configuration. In Asia, it is possible to buy the Cab 20 Tour, which is made in Taiwan or China. The Tour versions of the well known Yonex models are much cheaper and supposedly less robust. The materials are supposedly inferior.

Cheaung, I am in the US and you are in Hong Kong so a trade is not will not make sense. I am keeping my ancient rackets in the hope that they will one day become collectors' items. I have an ancient Yoneyama 8000 (with ancient strings) and 3 original Cab8's in addition to my Cab20. All these rackets are over 15 years old (the Yoneyama is at least 19 years old). Will these rackets some day become valuable? Eggroll, any chance I have some gems:)?

Ron