2009 Japan Open SS: Sunday, September 27th (Finals)

[whack_d_net]

Songphon & Kunchala:
http://dl.glitter-graphics.net/pub/369/369341ia4a4gsaho.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
Songphon:
http://dl10.glitter-graphics.net/pub/369/369020tjheveacao.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
Kunchala:
http://dl7.glitter-graphics.net/pub/687/687657tjeez4a46v.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
Joachim Fischer-Nielsen:
http://dl6.glitter-graphics.net/pub/369/369176i664wis02c.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
Christina Pedersen:
http://dl.glitter-graphics.net/pub/369/369321vcgbxj450w.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
LOL, just kidding
Hehehe :D :D

[badMania]

Songphon Anugritayawon/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul won their biggest title so far and have replaced the veteran pair Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam as THA no 1 XD pair at the moment.

[whack_d_net]

That's it for today :)
Sore de wa minna-san, Sayonara
Konnichiwa/Konbanwa
http://dl3.glitter-graphics.net/pub/369/369163cxr4v5b443.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
Hmmm, i guess next month we're going to European tour (Dutch Open GPG-Denmark Open SS-French Open SS)
See you guys on the next tourney :) :)

[badMania]

Meanwhile Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan won their first Japan Open SS title after beating their compatriot in straight-sets.

Remaining SS titles left for Kido/Hendra to win:
Korea SS -- traditionally, INA pairs do not do well in the cold-wintry condition.

All England -- AE has been very elusive for the INA pair and this should be the INA pair's main priority (besides the Asian Games Individual Gold & Thomas Cup) next year.

Swiss & Singapore SS -- close shave in both tourneys in the past 2 tourneys, with runner-up medals. I was especially gutted by the loss in the Singapore SS Final this year :mad:

Indonesia SS -- they won the Indonesia Open in 2005, before the tourney became a SS event 2 years later.

The INA pair has won the other 6 SS tourneys held in the second half of the year.

[CLELY]

That's it for today :)
Sore de wa minna-san, Sayonara
Konnichiwa/Konbanwa
http://dl3.glitter-graphics.net/pub/369/369163cxr4v5b443.gif (http://www.glitter-graphics.com)
Hmmm, i guess next month we're going to European tour (Dutch Open GPG-Denmark Open SS-French Open SS)
See you guys on the next tourney :) :)

I think Dutch Open is GP level not GP Gold tournament. The monkey emoticon is so funny:)
Congratz to all winners! Match of the final day is absolutely XD discipline when Thai pair stuns promising Danish pair Fischer Nielsen/Pedersen, a thrilling game at decider.

[lexluthor1975]

Songphon Anugritayawon/Kunchala Voravichitchaikul won their biggest title so far and have replaced the veteran pair Sudket Prapakamol/Saralee Thoungthongkam as THA no 1 XD pair at the moment.

yeah and they beat the veteran pair in 3 sets in this year's Thailand Open...

[hcpoirot]

We can't called BCL "Mr Runner Up" anymore.

From 2001-2008, he marched into 17 finals and only win 2 titles. (correct me if I am wrong)

But for 2009, its like a new BCL. He play 4 finals (German, ABC, Singapore SS and Japan SS) and he win 4 titles. Very impressive indeed.

And I am suprise with the Thais win the XD. Are they stepping up or their opponents in SF and final, The Indonesians and The Danes just lost their steam after crushing top ranking pairs?

I will watch closely Song Phon/Kunchala for next few events.

No suprises what so ever from WS,MD and WD.

Very nice win for Markis K/Hendra S for 2009 after all the problem and injuries.

Wang Xin must be deadly tired after playing 13 matches (including 4 qualifying matches) in 2 weeks. (China and Japan Open) She knocked out Tine R twice, Wang Lin, PHY and Maria K in these 2 weeks.

[2cents]

We can't called BCL "Mr Runner Up" anymore.

From 2001-2008, he marched into 17 finals and only win 2 titles. (correct me if I am wrong)

But for 2009, its like a new BCL. He play 4 finals (German, ABC, Singapore SS and Japan SS) and he win 4 titles. Very impressive indeed.

As far as I can recall, Bao CL won at least 3 super series (or 5 stars - highest) tournaments during 2001 through 2008, which includes not limited to:

2001 Denmark Open, BCL defeated Lin Dan in the final

2006 Korean Open, BCL won this one because this year Korean open provided the highest prize among all tournaments that year.

2007 China Super Series, BCL definitely won this one because it's not too long ago.

Some friends argued that China team can only grab titles using their crowd strategy. And they pointed out many times, China took all 4 semi positions by sending more players to the tournaments. Actually, I checked database, China usually sent less players than other countries like Malaysia. They took all semifinalists sometimes by just send 4 players, but those 4 players were the best 4 in the world. People complained that Lin Dan can only win by escorting. But the reason behind that was China team can provide invincible escorting services.

For Bao CL, he won 4 titles this year, and also lost some in early rounds this year. After Japan open, he said that he's lucky this time at Japan open, because few Chinese players there. He had been unfortunately met Chinese players in the other tournaments. And he said it's easy to play non Chinese players, but extremely difficult to play Chinese players. This year, he won all his 4 titles when majority of China men's singles, especially Lin Dan, Chen Jin were rest at home. When China sent a full team, including Lin Dan and Chen Jin, like in the all England, Swiss, Indonesia, China master,... He lost to either Lin Dan or Chen Jin. He lost at WC also partially because of Lin Dan in the 2nd round.

On the other hand, now Taufik is much stable than several years ago, but he he had problem to grab the title. He has lost at least 4 consecutive titles in a row in the final. Actually, Taufik is now the expert on runner up.

[huangkwokhau]

As far as I can recall, Bao CL won at least 3 super series (or 5 stars - highest) tournaments during 2001 through 2008, which includes not limited to:

2001 Denmark Open, BCL defeated Lin Dan in the final

2006 Korean Open, BCL won this one because this year Korean open provided the highest prize among all tournaments that year.

2007 China Super Series, BCL definitely won this one because it's not too long ago.

Some friends argued that China team can only grab titles using their crowd strategy. And they pointed out many times, China took all 4 semi positions by sending more players to the tournaments. Actually, I checked database, China usually sent less players than other countries like Malaysia. They took all semifinalists sometimes by just send 4 players, but those 4 players were the best 4 in the world. People complained that Lin Dan can only win by escorting. But the reason behind that was China team can provide invincible escorting services.

For Bao CL, he won 4 titles this year, and also lost some in early rounds this year. After Japan open, he said that he's lucky this time at Japan open, because few Chinese players there. He had been unfortunately met Chinese players in the other tournaments. And he said it's easy to play non Chinese players, but extremely difficult to play Chinese players. This year, he won all his 4 titles when majority of China men's singles, especially Lin Dan, Chen Jin were rest at home. When China sent a full team, including Lin Dan and Chen Jin, like in the all England, Swiss, Indonesia, China master,... He lost to either Lin Dan or Chen Jin. He lost at WC also partially because of Lin Dan in the 2nd round.

On the other hand, now Taufik is much stable than several years ago, but he he had problem to grab the title. He has lost at least 4 consecutive titles in a row in the final. Actually, Taufik is now the expert on runner up.

Bao lost to Dicky in WC in first round, not Lin Dan.
Bao did not atend INA Open this year...
meeting teammates is always difficukt, not only for BAO, as they know each other agme so well....

[freelast]

meeting teammates is always difficukt, not only for BAO, as they know each other agme so well....

if it's difficult for Bao, then it's easy for Lin Dan. This is 0 sum, you cannot say something difficult for both of them.

[freelast]

meeting teammates is always difficukt, not only for BAO, as they know each other agme so well....

if measured absolutely, it's only difficult if your teammates are good.

For Iranian players, they could face a China player or another Iranian player, can you say that "meeting teammates (another Iranian) is always difficult" ?

if measured relatively, even between teammates, one feels difficult, the other should feel easy. Otherwise, why you guys always complain Lin Dan easily won by just defeating his teammates all the way to the title?

[dunmaster]

On the other hand, now Taufik is much stable than several years ago, but he he had problem to grab the title. He has lost at least 4 consecutive titles in a row in the final. Actually, Taufik is now the expert on runner up.

by watching the game, looks like Taufik lost his focus quite easily during the match, and he made too many unforced errors because of that. unless that's how he deceives the opponent, he sure did a good job to my as an audience.

Bao CL was more stable during the match this time.

[jasonmarc]

Congratulation MK/HS......this is what i call them as a top quality pair.......

Won a SS right after long off with health problem,....KKK/TBH shd learn from them on how to become a top quality pair.........dont fooling around too much...

[ctjcad]

if it's difficult for Bao, then it's easy for Lin Dan. This is 0 sum, you cannot say something difficult for both of them.

if measured absolutely, it's only difficult if your teammates are good.
...
..i think Hau-ge meant to say and forgot to add "meeting teammates is always difficukt, except for LD; not only for BAO, as they know each other agme so well...."...:p

But it's quite true w/what you wrote. LD so far has the upperhand in head-2-head record against his top 2 compatriots. Thus he has it pretty easy when playing vs. CJ and BCL.
I think what Hau-ge meant was, when 2 teammates collide and face off against each other, it's not easy for either one, esp. the lower ranked player, to play against his/her teammate as they know each other's game pretty well (from numerous practice sessions). I think it might not necessarily apply to the CHN team because we know who's boss in the MS squad. But in the INA team, probably all 3 of the top MS players could beat each other up when playing in a real tourney situation simply because they know each other's game quite well (their head-2-head records probably will show it).
But "it's always difficult" also even if the participants are not from the same team; ex. LD vs. LCW, i'm quite sure both players are pretty familiar w/each other's game (strengths & weaknesses) since they've met so many times already.
And further, we can also say "it's always difficult" if both players haven't met/played against each other.

So...

Anyway, back to Bao-Bao. Here are a few FACT CHECK infos (just from 2007 onward):

- He has lost a total of 7 times when playing vs. LD or CJ.
- He has won a total of 3 times when playing vs. LD or CJ.
- He has never met CJ or LD in any of the INA Open SS.

2007 China Master SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_China_Masters_Super_Series (Bao lost to LD in QF Rd.)
2008 China Master SS:
http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=DCB4AAB3-505B-4A85-8561-FB1DF531A4DE&draw=1 (Bao lost to SDK in SF Rd.)
2009 China Master SS:
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=35C6AAAD-C499-4729-A879-9B1CDFEBA7A0&draw=8 (Bao lost to CJ in 2nd Rd.)

2007 INA Open SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Indonesia_Super_Series (Bao lost to LCW in the Final. Neither LD or CJ showed up)
2008 INA Open SS:
http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=7DD8D97A-23EA-42DE-A1FE-0BD6A6C30369&draw=12 (Bao lost to SDK in SF. Only CJ showed up in this edition)
2009 INA Open SS:
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=F5786AF0-6120-4871-B55C-0FF9BE3315CB&draw=1 (No sign of BCL as he decided to stay home to rest his knee)

2007 Swiss Open SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Swiss_Open_Super_Series (Bao lost to SDK in 2nd Rd.)
2008 Swiss Open SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Swiss_Open_Super_Series (Bao lost to LD in SF Rd.)
2009 Swiss Open SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Swiss_Open_Super_Series (Bao lost to CJ in 1st Rd.)

2007 AE SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_All_England_Super_Series (Bao lost to LD in SF Rd.)
2008 AE SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_All_England_Super_Series (Bao lost to LD in SF Rd.)
2009 AE SS:
http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/draw.aspx?id=F52CFDF6-3AB9-4A29-820C-CE30E6D7D260&draw=1 (Bao lost to LD in 2nd Rd.)

The 2006 & 2007 World Championships, Bao-Bao met & lost to LD in both editions (Final Rd. in the former & SF Rd. in the latter).

However, Bao-Bao hasn't been totally clueless playing vs. CJ & LD. He actually won against them 3 previous times.:p

2007 Denmark Open SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Denmark_Super_Series (BCL beat CJ in QF Rd.)
2007 French Open SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_French_Super_Series (BCL beat LD in SF Rd.)
2009 S'pore Open SS:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2009_Singapore_Super_Series (BCL beat CJ in SF Rd.)

[ye333]

That's actually... true... :D:D:D

LD always has an easy time beating other Chinese players.


if it's difficult for Bao, then it's easy for Lin Dan. This is 0 sum, you cannot say something difficult for both of them.