It's now commonly seen that in Men's doubles game, there are few rallies, as players are so afraid to lift the shuttle, so to avoid giving the attack away to the oppisition, resulting in quick points. The game turns into fast, flat exchanges accross the net and finishing the match quickly.

I think players should be given slower shuttles, so that they feel they can lift the shuttle at the back of the court. The game is becoming much shorter, compared to women's doubles and is over in most cases, in 25 minutes! What do you guys, or might be girls, think?

not so sure that their "afraid"
its probably the best thing they could do/try

I don't think men's doubles is like that particularly. I have seen plenty of rallies in men's and women's doubles.

At a professional level/people spectating:
The reason for the longer women's doubles matches (in finals anyway) is that it's usually the same Chinese pairings, who know each others games and rally until someone makes a mistake. I also tend to find in women's doubles that smashes are weaker compared to reaction times, hence longer rallies.

Which is why I prefer watching the two for different reasons, why make both the same from a spectator point of view? More variety gives more options to the viewer.

From a player point of view:

1) Takes the control element out of the game, no shuttles out the back of the court.
2) The shuttle won't go as far with the same power, so instead of a game of skill I think it will turn into more of a power contest.
3) Have you ever played with slow shuttles? It is quite hard to deceive your opponent as it goes slow, so they have time to recover, taking another important aspect of badminton out.
4) It will just turn into a rally until someone makes a mistake, less tactics in moving someone around the court/positioning etc.
5) There is still a fair amount of clears/lifts in men's doubles anyway. To give time to recover if you're in a sticky situation.

There's an article about shuttle speed in the link below:
http://badminton-coach.co.uk/category/badminton-articles/

About 3/5 of the way down the page, there's also a video about how to test the correct speed in the videos section

I'm looking forward to hearing other peoples views.

i think womens doubles is boring . Rallies too long as the defence is far better than attack. Slowing the shuttle in mens woul result in long tiresome and boring rallies. Its most fun fast and furious!

Doubles is meant to be aggressively-fast paced.
This is because, the mechanics of a doubles game is much more different then that of a singles game.
The court coverage is the biggest one - you're always close to close-ish to the shuttle in any situation, and you might as well smash because it has the highest chance of winning a point. Which is why players are reluctant to lift (obviously).

Consider this, - if there were two teams playing a doubles game and both were of equal level, one attacks every round and the other defends every round.
Then there is a much higher chance of the offensive side winning because there is loads of pressure being placed upon the defence.
Not only that, but even if they manage to take the shot, you will usually still be in the offensive position.

If this weren't the case for doubles, then you'd be thinking more like "2 player singles"
lol.

Hey London_Player (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=28138) bro: Modern badminton double is all about net play , smashing and pushing the shutter.. U re giving the shutter away and letting your opponent attack u , when u lift the shutter.

Clearing the shutter and lifting the shutter is to be avoid , when playing doubles.

I believe u are a beginner or just intermediate player since u talk like this.

I suggest u watch major badminton tournament at the you-tube on doubles , u will understand what i mean .

Hey London_Player (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=28138) bro: Modern badminton double is all about net play , smashing and pushing the shutter.. U re giving the shutter away and letting your opponent attack u , when u lift the shutter.

Clearing the shutter and lifting the shutter is to be avoid , when playing doubles.

I believe u are a beginner or just intermediate player since u talk like this.

I suggest u watch major badminton tournament at the you-tube on doubles , u will understand what i mean .
its not always to be avoid it
its what you do if there is nothing else to do
say for instance they drop to you
and u run up, you have 2 choices to drop or to clear
but wait the other doubles player runs up to you, what do you do?
you clear or else you'll get net killed

and i think you mean shuttle :)

Hey London_Player (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=28138) bro: Modern badminton double is all about net play , smashing and pushing the shutter.. U re giving the shutter away and letting your opponent attack u , when u lift the shutter.

Clearing the shutter and lifting the shutter is to be avoid , when playing doubles.

I believe u are a beginner or just intermediate player since u talk like this.

I suggest u watch major badminton tournament at the you-tube on doubles , u will understand what i mean .
If you watch older MD players, like Candra Sigit, Tony Gunawan, Halim H in the all england 2001 MD final, you'll see that the style is much more rallying, with high lights to neutralise smashing, rather than driving everything back all of the time.

Hey bro Athelete1234 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=24809): Times has change, double , is all about push , drop , drive and jump smash now!

Hey bro Athelete1234 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=24809): Times has change, double , is all about push , drop , drive and jump smash now!

Yes, the modern MD match has changed and now is fast paced and..finishes before you finish you cup of tea;). Now the front player plays greater importance in the game, as he creates and kills all the front shots. Sometimes it seems it's the battle between front two players, leaving the rear court player, wondering if he is given the chance to get involved.

The players are absolulty terrified :(of clearing or lifting the shuttles, as the opposition would unleash bombs at them, with help of modern lighter rackets and new scoring system, meaning the game is now full of lighting fast drives and pushes and all out attack, given the chance.

There are very few players who have good defence. If a match finishes quickly, with lots of drives and pushes and then it kills the enjoyment of the games. You want to see everything in a match; smashes, defending, drives, pushes, etc. not just mainly battle between front two players, in my opinion.

Hey bro Athelete1234 (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/member.php?u=24809): Times has change, double , is all about push , drop , drive and jump smash now!
I'm not saying that it wasn't jump smash, push, drop, and drive back then, but during that era (mostly before Cai/Fu came in and revolutionised the attack-attack-attack strategy), strategic defense to tire out your opponent and then counter-attacking when you had a good chance, rather than taking chances with flatter lifts was more common.

We still do it at our level....high lifts are important when on the defense.

I'm not saying that it wasn't jump smash, push, drop, and drive back then, but during that era (mostly before Cai/Fu came in and revolutionised the attack-attack-attack strategy), strategic defense to tire out your opponent and then counter-attacking when you had a good chance, rather than taking chances with flatter lifts was more common.

We still do it at our level....high lifts are important when on the defense.

Sorry but i dont think Cai/Fu started the attacking game strategy. No doubt Fu and Cai are attacking style of players but i think the REAL attacking and quick style of play were introduced in the 90s by Ricky/Rexy of Indon. Both are equally fast and equally lethal in their attacking play, and both can defend really well too.
It is still so much a joy to look back at their doubles play during their dominance in the 90s. To me their double is the best. Real offensive and fast.

:D No offence to Fu/Cai fans out there :D

I think that Fu/Cai´s playing style is still cool to watch.....

If you look at the changes, it´s in the aggression in the first three shots in every rally. No one is better than Kido/Setiawan at this at the moment....In many of their matches they don´t play long rallies simply because they refuse to lift to their opponent. Fu/Cai still use a lift sometimes....

Kido/Setiawan are unbelieveable hard to serve and return to.....That is their number one strength in my opinion....Therefore, when they play, the average rally-length is reduced a lot compared to former pairs back in the days. When we played them in the olympic semifinal in 2008 the average rally-length was 5 :eek:

Kind Regards

JR

Thanks for that "Credible" analysis, JR!

I think that Fu/Cai´s playing style is still cool to watch.....

If you look at the changes, it´s in the aggression in the first three shots in every rally. No one is better than Kido/Setiawan at this at the moment....In many of their matches they don´t play long rallies simply because they refuse to lift to their opponent. Fu/Cai still use a lift sometimes....

Kido/Setiawan are unbelieveable hard to serve and return to.....That is their number one strength in my opinion....Therefore, when they play, the average rally-length is reduced a lot compared to former pairs back in the days. When we played them in the olympic semifinal in 2008 the average rally-length was 5 :eek:

Kind Regards

JR

Hey JR, thanks for the input. It is interesting to know the thought from a top PRO in the circuit.

And since you have been in the Pro level for so long, what is your personal opinion of the changing pace of the game? Do you find that less / more fun? And which style you find more challenging? What type of player you consider yourself is? Defensive/offensive?

Thanks for sharing. You rock! :D

I think that Fu/Cai´s playing style is still cool to watch.....

If you look at the changes, it´s in the aggression in the first three shots in every rally. No one is better than Kido/Setiawan at this at the moment....In many of their matches they don´t play long rallies simply because they refuse to lift to their opponent. Fu/Cai still use a lift sometimes....

Kido/Setiawan are unbelieveable hard to serve and return to.....That is their number one strength in my opinion....Therefore, when they play, the average rally-length is reduced a lot compared to former pairs back in the days. When we played them in the olympic semifinal in 2008 the average rally-length was 5 :eek:

Kind Regards

JR
..the name of the game is whichever pair can control the net and allows less lifts, that pair will win.
Thanks again, JR, for sharing your perspective as you've played against Kido & Setiawan.:cool:

I think that Fu/Cai´s playing style is still cool to watch.....

If you look at the changes, it´s in the aggression in the first three shots in every rally. No one is better than Kido/Setiawan at this at the moment....In many of their matches they don´t play long rallies simply because they refuse to lift to their opponent. Fu/Cai still use a lift sometimes....

Kido/Setiawan are unbelieveable hard to serve and return to.....That is their number one strength in my opinion....Therefore, when they play, the average rally-length is reduced a lot compared to former pairs back in the days. When we played them in the olympic semifinal in 2008 the average rally-length was 5 :eek:

Kind Regards

JR

A World Champion has spoken, the case is now closed :D