Denmark Open 2009 : 23 October, Day 4 (QF) [Archive] - Page 2

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 12:48 PM

ckckckkc...
speechless....
21-18 21-18..

the last indonesia..and india hopes..

Gurusaidutt R. M. V. (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&player=119)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/IND.gif[IND] (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&c=IND) - http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&c=INA)Simon Santoso [5] (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&player=55)

badMania

10-23-2009, 12:49 PM

As usual, INA can only rely in Kido/Hendra and Sony for titles here in Denmark.

abedeng

10-23-2009, 12:49 PM

Aha, Simon meets the Guru ...... wonder who will teach who in this match.

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 12:57 PM

As usual, INA can only rely in Kido/Hendra and Sony for titles here in Denmark.

Come to think that KOR skip this tourney and CHN only sent small contingent.....
I guess INA is no longer powerhouse in badminton :( :(

hcpoirot

10-23-2009, 12:57 PM

Even with Korean players absent from denmark Open and China only send very very few players. (Only WYH and ZYW are the top players here), Indonesia again did not had very good results here aside from Markis/Hendra and Sonny. (Simon fighting in QF now)

The WS, WD and XD just dissapointing.

The same also can be said for Malaysian players who also only rely on TBH/KKK and LCW (who did not play here)

Note: Indonesia send 3 singles players and 10 pairs in doubles. So far only 1 MD and 1 MS made it to semifinal. (waiting for Simon QF results)

Malaysia send 2 singles players and 4 pairs in doubles. (Waiting for KKK/TBH and WPT/TEH results in QF)

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:01 PM

Come to think that KOR skip this tourney and CHN only sent small contingent.....
I guess INA is no longer powerhouse in badminton :( :(

But Taufik skipped it also:eek:

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:04 PM

What's Peter doing now:confused::confused::confused:
thought he wants to meet the knight on one of next days:eek:

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:07 PM

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 01:08 PM

But Taufik skipped it also:eek:

Taufik skip this tourney bcoz there's not so much fun in Odense :eek: :eek:
But he'll playing in City of Lights, instead
Coz he doesn't want to miss the big sale and shopping spree :D :D

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:08 PM

Simon likes to learn a lot:eek:

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:11 PM

yeah - 1- 0 first step is done:eek:

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 01:12 PM

unfortunately Ai can not keep the chinese girl on court anymore, what a pity - the much cutier one lost:mad::mad::mad:

anyway, lets get ready for the lonely knight now!!!! :eek:
folks clapp your hands and lets cheer Marc together now! :cool::cool:

Watch out, there's a lot of Xiao Mao's fans out there :D :D
Btw i hope you still have some energy left to cheer your knight :)
Good luck Marc!

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:12 PM

2-0 CL looks nerveous LOL

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:13 PM

Watch out, there's a lot of Xiao Mao's fans out there :D :D
Btw i hope you still have some energy left to cheer your knight :)
Good luck Marc!
Xiao mao fans still sleep now..
:p:p:p

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:13 PM

Watch out, there's a lot of Xiao Mao's fans out there :D :D
Btw i hope you still have some energy left to cheer your knight :)
Good luck Marc!

yep, we need to stay together to break the GW LOL:eek:

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:14 PM

5-2 cant be better :eek::eek::eek::eek:

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 01:16 PM

Xiao mao fans still sleep now..
:p:p:p

Hahaha yeah it's already Saturday in SEA :D
Btw you're still wide awake,
Waiting for Simon results, eh? :)

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:16 PM

folks, support is needed! Marc go go go

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:19 PM

9- 5 still ok, already big surprise LOL

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 01:20 PM

Go Marc
Go Simon
Go JOJ :)

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:20 PM

first quarter is done:D:D:D:D

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:22 PM

already 12 point :eek: and best of all CL only 7 LOL:D:D

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 01:22 PM

But Taufik skipped it also:eek:

Taufik skip this tourney bcoz there's not so much fun in Odense :eek: :eek:
...
..IMO, was Taufik's golden chance of winning his first ever SS title (No LD & other CHN top MS players & LCW)..

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:23 PM

Hahaha yeah it's already Saturday in SEA :D
Btw you're still wide awake,
Waiting for Simon results, eh? :)
yeah..after that i'll sleep..

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:23 PM

Marc, go go go, 12 is not enough :eek::eek:

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:24 PM

Go Marc
Go Simon
Go JOJ :)
we are on the same side..:D
Go simon
Go Jan o Jorgensen
Go Marc Zweibler..

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:25 PM

..IMO, was Taufik's golden chance of winning his first ever SS title (No LD & other CHN top MS players & LCW)..

no, don'T forget the brave knight LOL:D

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:26 PM

cant believe it 14-11

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:26 PM

5 match points for Simon Santoso..

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 01:27 PM

..IMO, was Taufik's golden chance of winning his first ever SS title (No LD & other CHN top MS players & LCW)..

Yeah, indeed as there's lots of Big guns skip MS event
Next week, i guess it'll be tough for him even to defend his Runner-up pts
But who knows? ;)

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:27 PM

Yes !!!!
Simon Santoso win...
21-17 21-15

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:28 PM

16-14, getting close now

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 01:28 PM

no, don'T forget the brave knight LOL:D
..is the brave knight??...Marc "Don't call me the WCH and HH scalper for nothin' " Zwiebler???..:confused:

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 01:29 PM

Habisin habisin :)
(so that @simonlovers can get some sleep) :p
And SS did it, Congratz

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:30 PM

crazy, 18-14 Marc !!!!!!!!!!

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:30 PM

Habisin habisin :)
(so that @simonlovers can get some sleep) :p
hahahahha...
now i'm yawning..:D:D:D

Go Jorgensen..4 more points..

2cents

10-23-2009, 01:31 PM

some Malaysia fans and Indonesia fans, actually those their players and coaches, accused China using crowd strategy. They claimed China can only win by outnumbering other team.

Actually, China always sent fewer players than Malaysia, then the coach even LCW, and also fans here, modified their accusation as China outnumbering them by sending more top notch players.

This Denmark open, China just send 1 for each event, also the one they sent was the miserable loser at National games.

Chen Long, the 24th in national games, lost 3 matches in a row, was sent here to Denmark.

Wang Yi, the 8th, also lost 3 matches, was sent.

Zhang Ya Wen, lost badly without win (both WD and XD at national games) was sent here.

Pan pan, the one with lower inferior level of playing but strong personal background, was sent here

Sun Jun Jie, also the very poor player but son of Sun Zhi An, was sent here.

it's obvious that China sent its weakest team (as weak as possible) to the Denmark open. But they still much better than Malaysia and Indonesia who sent 24 players! 3 times more than China.

I remember one year before at Denmark, China sent their weak team also here to Denmakr, they sent only Chen Hong and Chen Yu, and kept the best 3: LD, CJ, BCL at home. Guess what. Chen Hong and Chen Yu won the gold and silver!

This is the crowd strategy which never fails. :cool:

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:31 PM

crazy, 18-14 Marc !!!!!!!!!!
chen long save one game point..and then he fail..21-16 for Zweibler..

2 more points for Jorgensen,,,

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:31 PM

..is the brave knight??...Marc "Don't call me the WCH and HH scalper for nothin' " Zwiebler???..:confused:

yeaaahhhhhhhh, 21- first game is done:eek:

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:33 PM

Jorgensen win !!
wow..
unbelivable..

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:34 PM

yup , 1- 0 again, it's starts like 1st game, good sign:cool:

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:36 PM

4-0 already a small whole in the wall LOL

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:36 PM

eeeh..
watch out..
5-1 for Zweibler..

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 01:38 PM

Wow JOJ won! Congratz :)
Too bad Uncle Peter can't defend his title
Hope his junior keep his consistency in the near future

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:39 PM

ohoh, first time leveld 5 all now

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:40 PM

yeah Marc's on fire, 8-5 now:eek:

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:44 PM

unbelievable, just one quarter to go!!!! 11-8 Marc go go go :D:D:D

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 01:45 PM

yeah Marc's on fire, 8-5 now:eek:

Relax, Chen Long is not among CHN best
He's just 24th in the National Games
LOLz :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:46 PM

KKK in trouble in between :-(

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:48 PM

Relax, Chen Long is not among CHN best
He's just 24th in the National Games
LOLz :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

doesn't matter, as long as Li Yo set up the rules we take it as it comes:D:D:D

fanatic fan

10-23-2009, 01:48 PM

Guys, I am new here and having problems accessing to the live scores...Any link? Tq in advance..

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:49 PM

18 - 10 , unbelievable, a nightmare for chen long for the rest of his life, beaten by the lonely german knight LOL

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 01:50 PM

Go Marc! Habisin, Habisin :p :p

2cents

10-23-2009, 01:51 PM

Relax, Chen Long is not among CHN best
He's just 24th in the National Games
LOLz :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

You are right, none of them are even close to the best except Xu Chen. Who won the national games with his local guy, not Guo Zhen Dong.

With GZD, even the winner Xu Chen, has to lose too.

Someone mentioned Zhang Ya Wen was the only one of the best. Actually Zhang Ya Wen lost badly twice at the national games without any win! She's just winless inside China.

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 01:52 PM

...Zwiebler has done it again, this time upsetting supposedly CHN's future MS star in 2 straight games..

JOJ is also coming on strong. I think we are witnessing the MS torch being handed over from Gade to the DEN's new MS star.

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 01:53 PM

Yeahhhh, it's done! :cool:CL has to run off the court and has to take care of his scalp LOL:eek:
it even got worse for CL - only 13 points in second game, guess no shopping in Paris for him, just keep on extra training LOL:D

fanatic fan

10-23-2009, 01:53 PM

Guys, I am a newbie here and love badminton along with tennis and Formula 1...But, I am having problem accessing to the live scores ...Any link ? TQ IN ADVANCE..

2cents

10-23-2009, 01:53 PM

...Zwiebler has done it again, this time upsetting supposedly CHN's future MS star in 2 straight games..

for you guys don't know much about China would be surprised.

Chen Long is not the future star.

I would say Chen Long has no future at all even though he's in the national team. The real potential players are Wang Zhen Ming, then probably Zhou Wen Long. But they will not get much chances to play.

simonlovers

10-23-2009, 01:55 PM

for you guys don't know much about China would be surprised.

I would say Chen Long has no future at all even though he's in the national team. The real potential players are Wang Zhen Ming, then probably Zhou Wen Long. But they will not get much chances to play.
Hmm..
Hans Vittingthus beat him in Macau

Long CHEN [11] (http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=AEF7055D-1CB8-4FF1-8F3B-0F9B8F19DA68&player=11)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/CHN.gif[CHN] (http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=AEF7055D-1CB8-4FF1-8F3B-0F9B8F19DA68&c=CHN) - http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/DEN.gif[DEN] (http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=AEF7055D-1CB8-4FF1-8F3B-0F9B8F19DA68&c=DEN)Hans-Kristian VITTINGHUS (http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=AEF7055D-1CB8-4FF1-8F3B-0F9B8F19DA68&player=20) 21-23 16-21

fanatic fan

10-23-2009, 01:56 PM

Guys, I am a newbie here....Can anyone post me a link to the live scores?

ye333

10-23-2009, 01:56 PM

One year before at Denmark? What are you talking about? In 2008 PG won the title, in 2007 BCL beat LCW in SF if I remember correctly.

Also it's totally unfair to evaluate CL and WYH in such a way. In fact, LYB send these "losers" because they are less exhausted, not because they are the worst in the team.

some Malaysia fans and Indonesia fans, actually those their players and coaches, accused China using crowd strategy. They claimed China can only win by outnumbering other team.

Actually, China always sent fewer players than Malaysia, then the coach even LCW, and also fans here, modified their accusation as China outnumbering them by sending more top notch players.

This Denmark open, China just send 1 for each event, also the one they sent was the miserable loser at National games.

Chen Long, the 24th in national games, lost 3 matches in a row, was sent here to Denmark.

Wang Yi, the 8th, also lost 3 matches, was sent.

Zhang Ya Wen, lost badly without win (both WD and XD at national games) was sent here.

Pan pan, the one with lower inferior level of playing but strong personal background, was sent here

Sun Jun Jie, also the very poor player but son of Sun Zhi An, was sent here.

it's obvious that China sent its weakest team (as weak as possible) to the Denmark open. But they still much better than Malaysia and Indonesia who sent 24 players! 3 times more than China.

I remember one year before at Denmark, China sent their weak team also here to Denmakr, they sent only Chen Hong and Chen Yu, and kept the best 3: LD, CJ, BCL at home. Guess what. Chen Hong and Chen Yu won the gold and silver!

This is the crowd strategy which never fails. :cool:

ytyang

10-23-2009, 01:57 PM

ye333

10-23-2009, 02:00 PM

Nonsense. TSF himself said CL is the next star. LD also said similar things. As to WZM... Yes he seems to have much potential, but it's still too early to judge. Did WZM do better than CL in the national games? Furthermore, CL has beaten LD, LCW and TH. What has WZM/ZWL done?

Why does this "bound-to-lose" CL get so many chances to play? Some background support again? ;)

for you guys don't know much about China would be surprised.

Chen Long is not the future star.

I would say Chen Long has no future at all even though he's in the national team. The real potential players are Wang Zhen Ming, then probably Zhou Wen Long. But they will not get much chances to play.

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 02:00 PM

You are right, none of them are even close to the best except Xu Chen. Who won the national games with his local guy, not Guo Zhen Dong.

With GZD, even the winner Xu Chen, has to lose too.

Someone mentioned Zhang Ya Wen was the only one of the best. Actually Zhang Ya Wen lost badly twice at the national games without any win! She's just winless inside China.

Actually, i put these -> LOLz :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
But hey, with poor results in Nat. Games and this loss to Marc Zwiebler,
I wonder what kind of punishment will Chen Long get?
Hhmmm, maybe as a cameraboy for French SS?
Hehehe kidding :) :)
As for ZYW case, i guess she always lost partly bcoz she doesn't have good partners from Chongqing
...
Anyway, congratz to Marc and Kuwichert ;) ;)

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 02:02 PM

Congrats to your knight, who will you be cheering for? Sony or your bravery knight?

As long as he doesn't meet TH (and he doesn't here) I should support the underdog, sorry for the INA guys, but tomorrow I have to fight my own battle on courts this time, so I gonna keep the night alone and get the result later, hope to see next surprise, but it's getting tuff, may be now he's no more the underdog:eek:

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 02:02 PM

for you guys don't know much about China would be surprised.

Chen Long is not the future star.

I would say Chen Long has no future at all even though he's in the national team. The real potential players are Wang Zhen Ming, then probably Zhou Wen Long. But they will not get much chances to play.
..exactly why some of us are seeing why CL is supposedly CHN's future MS star: his exposure.
Assuming those 2 supposedly "potential" players are already in the national squad, but don't play in international tourneys, how in the world would they make a name for themselves?? Or it's simply they're too young to compete in the national squad??..

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 02:06 PM

next chinese pair's gonna loosing now, lets cheer the Malaysian fellows now!

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 02:06 PM

Guys, I am a newbie here....Can anyone post me a link to the live scores?

Hi, welcome to the club ;)
Here's the link:
http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&d=20091023
Just click the livescore
No Astro in your place, eh? Hehehe kidding :p :p

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 02:08 PM

Guys, I am a newbie here....Can anyone post me a link to the live scores?
http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&d=20091023
click on the View Live Scores box (top right); a new window should pop up.

One year before at Denmark? What are you talking about? In 2008 PG won the title, in 2007 BCL beat LCW in SF if I remember correctly.
...
..i think he meant to write "In one of the years before, in the Denmark Open edition"..

2cents

10-23-2009, 02:09 PM

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 02:10 PM

Actually, i put these -> LOLz :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
But hey, with poor results in Nat. Games and this loss to Marc Zwiebler,
I wonder what kind of punishment will Chen Long get?
Hhmmm, maybe as a cameraboy for French SS?
Hehehe kidding :) :)
As for ZYW case, i guess she always lost partly bcoz she doesn't have good partners from Chongqing
...
Anyway, congratz to Marc and Kuwichert ;) ;)

yeah, check out the bold camera man next week LOL:eek::eek::eek::eek:

ytyang

10-23-2009, 02:15 PM

next chinese pair's gonna loosing now, lets cheer the Malaysian fellows now!
I thought you only support underdog??:mad:

ye333

10-23-2009, 02:18 PM

In 2006, CH and CY are still top players. Lower than LD maybe, but definitely not below BCL and CJ. Please do not distort facts to fit your theory.

I mentioned TSF and LD. Did I mention LYB? :confused::confused::confused:

Not last year, it was a year sometimes ago which I cannot remember. I can check it for u.

...(checking on the web)...

it was 2006: Chen Hong and Chen Yu met at the Denamrk oepn final.

You guys don't know China are naive. Always believe what LYB said. But you guys also accuse him a lier. Why you guys alway trust a lier you always accused of!

Even though Say WYH is the 8th place, but she played same number of matches as the gold winner Wang Ling or the silver winner Wang SX or the 5th place winner Wang Xin. Because in national games, all the position are determined by matches. 5th place has to win 5 lose 1 only, while the 8th place win only 2 lose 3!

So WYH is the same exhuasted as Wang Ling or Wang SX, get it?

whack_d_net

10-23-2009, 02:18 PM

Hi @kuwichert, you're not supporting another jap cuties? LOL :)
If they win, tomorrow there will be a battle royale between jap cuties
Let's cheer the cutier one as usual :rolleyes:
LOL, i become pervy bcoz of you :D :D

2cents

10-23-2009, 02:18 PM

..exactly why some of us are seeing why CL is supposedly CHN's future MS star: his exposure.
Assuming those 2 supposedly "potential" players are already in the national squad, but don't play in international tourneys, how in the world would they make a name for themselves?? Or it's simply they're too young to compete in the national squad??..

No. who's going to the international tournaments will be decided not by their form or their level of playing, but by the politics and system.

Another thing I have to tell you is that Chen Long is much older than his real age. He changed his age to be able to win the junior champion. Therefore he's future is less bright based on his real age.

Tell you that Only LD, CJ, BCL and Chen Long are the 1st nation team MS. Even though some others in the national team, those players main tasks are used as training tools for those 4 people mentioned above. Mostly those players, like Qiu YB, Li Yu,.. have been the victims to be taken advantage of. Their jobs were not develop themselves, but for better use of the 4 guys mentioned above.

That's the system in China.

fanatic fan

10-23-2009, 02:19 PM

Guys, the live scores id literally dead for me..Can anyone feed me on the updates?.

ye333

10-23-2009, 02:23 PM

Two years ago CL is also one of the "training tools". Care to explain how did he rise from that miserable position?

Rumor has it that most Chinese MS are older than their official ages. Why pick on CL?

No. who's going to the international tournaments will be decided not by their form or their level of playing, but by the politics and system.

Another thing I have to tell you is that Chen Long is much older than his real age. He changed his age to be able to win the junior champion. Therefore he's future is less bright based on his real age.

Tell you that Only LD, CJ, BCL and Chen Long are the 1st nation team MS. Even though some others in the national team, those players main tasks are used as training tools for those 4 people mentioned above. Mostly those players, like Qiu YB, Li Yu,.. have been the victim to be taken advantage of. They job were not develop themselves, but for better use of the 4 guys mentioned above.

That's the system in China.

2cents

10-23-2009, 02:25 PM

In 2006, CH and CY are still top players. Lower than LD maybe, but definitely not below BCL and CJ. Please do not distort facts to fit your theory.

you are totally blinded!

Before 2006 Denmark open, China had decided to have LD, BCL and CJ play the Olympics 2008. You surely know nothing about China badminton.

That year 2006, China planed to give up Denmark open without sending any players, but for compensating CH and CY not playing Olympics, then China sent those 2 to Denmark as compensation.

Have told yo too much insider story. You got to learn yourself. :D:D:D

kuwichert

10-23-2009, 02:26 PM

I thought you only support underdog??:mad:

no, not only, INA player are normally not the ones we expact to losse, even TH is the underdog when playing LD LOL:eek:
Since the only chinese smile disappeared when Gao ling retired no more support for them

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 02:33 PM

No. who's going to the international tournaments will be decided not by their form or their level of playing, but by the politics and system.

Another thing I have to tell you is that Chen Long is much older than his real age. He changed his age to be able to win the junior champion. Therefore he's future is less bright based on his real age.

Tell you that Only LD, CJ, BCL and Chen Long are the 1st nation team MS. Even though some others in the national team, those players main tasks are used as training tools for those 4 people mentioned above. Mostly those players, like Qiu YB, Li Yu,.. have been the victims to be taken advantage of. Their jobs were not develop themselves, but for better use of the 4 guys mentioned above.

That's the system in China.
..tough, isn't it??..
But the way most of us see it, one must've surely performed well also to be sent to international tourneys. I mean, does LYB want to be embarrassed by sending players he thinks will not do well? Of course not.
Further, one has to perform well on the international stage to prove that s/he is worthy to be sent and to be sent even more. I mean, sure, there are "hidden" gems in the national squad, but if they're not being showcased or given the opportunities to deliver, one can't blame others for seeing CL as the future MS star.

2cents

10-23-2009, 02:35 PM

In 2006, CH and CY are still top players. Lower than LD maybe, but definitely not below BCL and CJ. Please do not distort facts to fit your theory.

One year before at Denmark? What are you talking about? In 2008 PG won the title, in 2007 BCL beat LCW in SF if I remember correctly.

Also it's totally unfair to evaluate CL and WYH in such a way. In fact, LYB send these "losers" because they are less exhausted, not because they are the worst in the team.
I mentioned TSF and LD. Did I mention LYB? :confused::confused::confused:

see, all you said are not correct! that's the point!

Before 2006 Denmark open, China had decided to have LD, BCL and CJ play the Olympics 2008. You surely know nothing about China badminton.

That year 2006, China planed to give up Denmark open without sending any players, but for compensating CH and CY not playing Olympics, then China sent those 2 to Denmark as compensation.

Even though Say WYH is the 8th place, but she played same number of matches as the gold winner Wang Ling or the silver winner Wang SX or the 5th place winner Wang Xin. Because in national games, all the position are determined by matches. 5th place has to win 5 lose 1 only, while the 8th place win only 2 lose 3!

WYH, the 8 place, was the same exhuasted as Wang Ling or Wang SX.

What you said is wrong again!

ytyang

10-23-2009, 02:36 PM

no, not only, INA player are normally not the ones we expact to losse, even TH is the underdog when playing LD LOL:eek:
Since the only chinese smile disappeared when Gao ling retired no more support for them
So ZYW/Pan Pan are not cute enough for you? Even Malaysia
pair is WR#1, you will cheer for Malaysian? :)

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 02:38 PM

Guys, the live scores id literally dead for me..Can anyone feed me on the updates?.
All WD events:
MAS vs. CHN, headed to the rubber game
JPN vs. DEN, JPN about to close 1st game
MAC vs. combo WD pair, Macau pair just won in the rubber game

ye333

10-23-2009, 02:38 PM

That's totally different from your claim "LD, BCL, CJ are the definite top 3 in 2006". You seem to be the one who doesn't understand how the system works...

you are totally blinded!
China had decided to have LD, BCL and CJ play the Olympics 2008. You surely know nothing about China badminton.

ye333

10-23-2009, 02:42 PM

Bingo! You are always the reasonable one.

..tough, isn't it??..
But the way most of us see it, one must've surely performed well also to be sent to international tourneys. I mean, does LYB want to be embarrassed by sending players he thinks will not do well? Of course not.
Further, one has to perform well on the international stage to prove that s/he is worthy to be sent and to be sent even more. I mean, sure, there are "hidden" gems in the national squad, but if they're not being showcased or given the opportunities to deliver, one can't blame others for seeing CL as the future MS star.

2cents

10-23-2009, 02:46 PM

..tough, isn't it??..
But the way most of us see it, one must've surely performed well also to be sent to international tourneys. I mean, does LYB want to be embarrassed by sending players he thinks will not do well? Of course not.
Further, one has to perform well on the international stage to prove that s/he is worthy to be sent and to be sent even more. I mean, sure, there are "hidden" gems in the national squad, but if they're not being showcased or given the opportunities to deliver, one can't blame others for seeing CL as the future MS star.

Many people outside China always view LYB as an evil. Like people view Mao Ze Dong, the former dictator. Here evil also means strong, smart, very intelligence.

But LYB is a human being, most people here who don't know CHina are always deny that. LYB, in my mind, is a very ordinary Chinese, not that smart, not that strong at all.

as any human beings, selfishness is the most intrinsic attribute. Why he wants China win. I would say he has less enthusiasm than a China fans here want China to win. When fans chanting for their team, their players, that's emotion. but for the players and coaches, they want their own interest. Nobody is exception here.

if you understand that, you will know LYB actually don't care about much the outcome of the super series. He used it as one of his tool to control his players and other coaches. LYB only cares about the Olympics and then probably the WC, Thomas, Uber and Sudirman, because that's the stupid china sports beaucractic system requests him. If he cannot win 3 gold or more at Olympics, he has to step down, If he cannot win anything at denmark open, he will not be affected, or sometime he could be benefit from it. because he can ask for more money from his boss, say, you see, we are not good now, we need more money to improve our team.

If you understand this, then you would better understand why LYB skipped so many super series, including the grand prix. He really doesn't care.

fanatic fan

10-23-2009, 02:47 PM

score for the mas wd?

ytyang

10-23-2009, 02:51 PM

CHN leading 3rd 12-10...

2cents

10-23-2009, 02:51 PM

why I said LYB sent the worst team?

that's his strategy, he wants to lower the expectations from his boss. It's like cat-mouse game, if he performs too well on the open tournaments, then he got bigger expectations from his boss. He doesn't want that.

As an experience head coach of the national team, he wants more money from his boss and lower expetations. Then deliver when his boss checks the results which is Olympics. LYB's job evaluation will have nothing to do with the outcome of this Denmark open.

2cents

10-23-2009, 02:53 PM

That's totally different from your claim "LD, BCL, CJ are the definite top 3 in 2006". You seem to be the one who doesn't understand how the system works...

you are definitely the one who doesn't understand how the system works.

If LD, BCL, CJ were not the best 3 in form, why LYB sent them instead of CH,CY?

ytyang

10-23-2009, 02:54 PM

CHN leading 3rd 18-10...

ytyang

10-23-2009, 02:56 PM

CHN wins wd 2-1 (11-21, 21-17, 21-12)

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 02:56 PM

Many people outside China always view LYB as an evil. Like people view Mao Ze Dong, the former dictator. Here evil also means strong, smart, very intelligence.
...
as any human beings, selfishness is the most intrinsic attribute. Why he wants China win. I would say he has less enthusiasm than a China fans here want China to win. When fans chanting for their team, their players, that's emotion. but for the players and coaches, they want their own interest. Nobody is exception here.

if you understand that, you will know LYB actually don't care about much the outcome of the super series.
...
If you understand this, then you would better understand why LYB skipped so many super series, including the grand prix. He really doesn't care.
..of course i understand that.
Now, tell me my man, based on what you just wrote, if LYB, as you claimed is strong, handsome, has an aura unlike any other coaches, smart, very intelligent, a genius, a wiz, selfish, always looking for himself, wants CHN to win, looking for his own interest, then tell us, why is he only sending CL and not the other 2 MS players?? Why didn't he send those 2 players you mentioned who are supposedly "better" than CL??..:confused:

score for the mas wd?
MAS' WD about to get their behind whipped, CHN about to close shop. CHN won in the rubber game
JPN vs. DEN, a close affair.

2cents

10-23-2009, 03:08 PM

That's totally different from your claim "LD, BCL, CJ are the definite top 3 in 2006". You seem to be the one who doesn't understand how the system works...

I claimed by October, 2006, LD, CJ, BCL (you switched my order here too! :() were top 3 in China, because they had been chosen to play Olympics, and also ranked much higher than CH, CY. Please check:

Rank BWF ID NAT FAMILY NAME GIVEN NAME NAC IND.PTS TEAMPTS I.T T.T TOTAL POINTS
1 50906 LIN Dan CHN 37440 4363 9 1 10 41803
2 50152 LEE Chong Wei MAS 35880 4023 9 1 10 39903
3 51592 CHEN Jin CHN 31860 2929 9 1 10 34789
4 6926 GADE Peter Hoeg DEN 30780 3829 9 1 10 34609
5 51274 BAO Chunlai CHN 29820 3425 9 1 10 33245
6 11704 LEE Hyun Il KOR 28980 3389 9 1 10 32369
7 9689 CHEN Hong CHN 31560 0 10 0 10 31560
8 4762 JONASSEN Kenneth DEN 26730 3108 9 1 10 29838
9 12370 HASHIM Muhammad Hafiz MAS 26700 3034 9 1 10 29734
10 11959 PONSANA Boonsak THA 23700 2180 9 1 10 25880
11 50931 CHEN Yu CHN 25470 0 10 0 10 25470

http://old.internationalbadminton.org/histranking.asp?rankno=555&id=1

But you claimed Chen Hong and Chen Yu were better BCL and CJ, please give your reason?

2cents

10-23-2009, 03:13 PM

..of course i understand that.
Now, tell me my man, based on what you just wrote, if LYB, as you claimed is strong, handsome, has an aura unlike any other coaches, smart, very intelligent, a genius, a wiz, selfish, always looking for himself, wants CHN to win, looking for his own interest, then tell us, why is he only sending CL and not the other 2 MS players?? Why didn't he send those 2 players you mentioned who are supposedly "better" than CL??..:confused:

MAS' WD about to get their behind whipped, CHN about to close shop. CHN won in the rubber game
JPN vs. DEN, a close affair.

First, I said many times, LYB is not that smart, but at average level. He's definitely very selfish and lacks big wisdom.

I have said very clear. Actually BCL wants to go this Denmark open, he's very eager to go, but Lin Dan doesn't want to go. CL wants to go too. But LYB for his own selfish reason, would not let BCL to go because he's in good form.

I have told too many, you guys should have to figure out yourself, if you still cannot, then never try to understand Chinese politics, it's just too complex for you to understand.

Dede_Pran

10-23-2009, 03:20 PM

anyöne to update JPN vs DEN WD plis?

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 03:23 PM

First, I said many times, LYB is not that smart, but at average level. He's definitely very selfish and lacks big wisdom.

I have said very clear. Actually BCL wants to go this Denmark open, he's very eager to go, but Lin Dan doesn't want to go. CL wants to go too. But LYB for his own selfish reason, would not let BCL to go because he's in good form.

I have told too many, you guys should have to figure out yourself, if you still cannot, then never try to understand Chinese politics, it's just too complex for you to understand.
..if LYB, as you mentioned, don't care or don't give a hoot or don't really care about much of the outcome or results of a Super Series or GP or GP Gold tourney, then i'd expect him not to send his top guns for the rest of the yr's SS, GP and GP Gold...How's that?? Makes sense, right?..:cool:

As for BCL not being sent, I can't see any logical reason for not sending BCL simply because "he's in good form."

Of course, the reason we, at least myself, can't figure the CHN's baddie politics is because they're indeed complex & confusing. But I guess you are brilliant enough to figure out & understand their complex and confusing politics schmolitics, eh??:confused::eek:

anyöne to update JPN vs DEN WD plis?
..a close affair in the rubber. DEN slightly in the lead..17-15

Dede_Pran

10-23-2009, 03:29 PM

@ctjcad: thx a lot......
plis gimme the result....

2cents

10-23-2009, 03:31 PM

..if LYB, as you mentioned, don't care or don't give a hoot or don't really care about much of the outcome or results of a Super Series or GP or GP Gold tourney, then i'd expect him not to send his top guns for the rest of the yr's SS, GP and GP Gold...How's that?? Makes sense, right?..:cool:

As for BCL not being sent, I can't see any logical reason for not sending BCL simply because "he's in good form."

Of course, the reason we, at least myself, can't figure the CHN's baddie politics is because they're indeed complex & confusing. But I guess you are brilliant enough to figure out & understand their complex and confusing politics schmolitics, eh??:confused::eek:

..a close affair in the rubber. DEN slightly in the lead..17-15

now your thinking got problems again ;)

I said LYB doesn't care much about. But that doesn't mean you will benefit from without playing all open tournaments. If he did that, as he already did from end of last year to the beginning of this year, skipped all the tournaments before all england. He also got accused by other people. The politics is not as simple as you can think of. By the way, if he skips all, what he can benefit from?

this is not just China buddie politics, it's so common and first described by Adam Smith scientifically. If you have better logic, you will have less confusion.

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 03:40 PM

2cents

10-23-2009, 03:48 PM

..i must admit my logic is not as high or on the same level as you. Further, that's true, i have problems understanding the complex CHN's baddie politics.
But, after all, no one can touch or even come close to your understanding of CHN's baddie politics (hey, your knowledge can be seen here by all the BCers)...

Who says LYB is not letting his players play in all tourneys?? My point is, if he doesn't care much abt the SS, GP, GP Gold results, he should just send his 2nd or 3rd team squads. Heck, after all, winning or losing them is not a big deal for him, right??

..but heck, i am just as vague abt LYB & CHN's baddie politics..

you are not stupid, but sometimes wanna play stupid and thought its fun.

Ok, let's have fun.

Every player wants the fame and money, most of them want to play the tournaments at most of time. how come LYB can skip his top guns to let 2nd and 3rd team to play? no way!

The biggest problem for you guys, is always treat LYB as GOD, but he is not, he is just an ordinary human being, not even a smart one. He cannot do whatever he wants to, if LD, BCL, CY, FHF, and half coaches are against him, he has to step down. Again, LYB is not the god who can do what ever he wants to, he's more like a politician though a mediocre one, than any other positions now.

On the other hand, China send much less 2nd or 3rd team plaers than Malaysian or Denmark,... LYB will not be benefit by sending 2nd or 3rd.. it's also against the existing rule now in china. Why he has to do that?

By teh way, The China system is probably the worst system, you should think that way.

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 04:00 PM

...
Every player wants the fame and money, most of them want to play the tournaments at most of time. how come LYB can skip his top guns to let 2nd and 3rd team.
...
On the other hand, China send much less 2nd or 3rd team plaers than Malaysian or Denmark,... LYB will be benefit by sending 2nd or 3rd.. it's also against the existing rule now in china. Why he has to do that?
...
..starting in the upcoming French SS and the subsequent SS, GP or GP Gold tourneys.:cool:

2cents

10-23-2009, 04:04 PM

..starting in the upcoming French SS and the subsequent SS, GP or GP Gold tourneys.:cool:

maybe some typos, typed too fast without checking. I should have said:

how come LYB can skip his top guns to let 2nd and 3rd team to play? no way!

... LYB will not benefit by sending 2nd or 3rd.. it's also against the existing rule now in china. Why he has to do that?

ctjcad

10-23-2009, 04:07 PM

..benefit or not benefit him, LYB doesn't care abt the results of the SS, GP or GP Gold tourneys??..:confused:

ye333

10-23-2009, 04:13 PM

There can be tons of other reasonable motivations. For example, CH and CY are too old. If he send CJ and CJ does not do well, it's OK as young players are not consistent. But he won't have any excuse if he send CH and CH fails.

Also rumor has it that LYB does not like CH.

Btw, if you take a look at any Chinese badminton forum, you can see that basically no one agrees with your "CL and WYH are the worst" claim. So maybe you are the only one in the world who understands the "system"?:D

you are definitely the one who doesn't understand how the system works.

If LD, BCL, CJ were not the best 3 in form, why LYB sent them instead of CH,CY?

ye333

10-23-2009, 04:19 PM

Com'on, if LYB doesn't care those opens, his boss definitely cares less.

Actually the key flaw in your argument is this: Anyone who has been following world badminton for a while and indeed bothers to watch a few matches knows CL and WYH are defintely among the BEST players in the Chinese team.

Furthermore, GZD has been 2nd MD for China for quite a while, and GZD/XC is the best MD China can offer besides CY/FHF (You do know that "the other guy" who XC paired up in national games is CY, don't you?).

So your "China sends its worst" claim is only arguably true in WD and XD.

why I said LYB sent the worst team?

that's his strategy, he wants to lower the expectations from his boss. It's like cat-mouse game, if he performs too well on the open tournaments, then he got bigger expectations from his boss. He doesn't want that.

As an experience head coach of the national team, he wants more money from his boss and lower expetations. Then deliver when his boss checks the results which is Olympics. LYB's job evaluation will have nothing to do with the outcome of this Denmark open.

arowana

10-23-2009, 05:18 PM

hi, in my opinion he cares about high expectations when they calculate victories before big events. It´s good for LYB to show that good players failed sometimes and winning is not as easy as it actually is. With chinese juniors winning Danmark Open his situation would get worse in my opinion...:)

badMania

10-23-2009, 07:11 PM

With Peter Gade and Chen Long gone from the SF Draw, Simon Santoso will face Jan O Jorgensen, while Sony Dwi Kuncoro has to contend with Marc Zweibler. I hope they create an all-INA Final!

In MD, Markis Kido/Hendra Setiawan will face a tough test against Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen. If they progress to the Final, it's likely that Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong will be their opponent, although the MAS pair has to beat Sun Junjie/Tao Jiaming first.

nokh88

10-23-2009, 09:40 PM

Anyone got idea which court will be shown live on TV?

leonardklh

10-23-2009, 10:45 PM

i think tonight will be showing court 1 live on astro..

nokh88

10-24-2009, 12:22 AM

Court 1 has 2 Danish interest, Court 2 has 3. I think most probable court 2.

kuwichert

10-24-2009, 05:22 AM

So ZYW/Pan Pan are not cute enough for you? Even Malaysia
pair is WR#1, you will cheer for Malaysian? :)

Yep, there are some cute chinese out there, but on courts the only one I cheer (but not anymore:mad:) is Gao Ling, and this just because of her nice behaviour and bright smile, even if somethig went wrong, simply something you cant see while watching other Chinese on courts:eek: . Please don't start teaching me about China - know that very well since I was there for a couple of years, know what they usually are thinking, each and every game is like civil war, but it has to be fun! so we have to cheer players providing fun and joy!:D:D:D

kuwichert

10-24-2009, 05:30 AM