Brave Sword 10 Review

[Jayssen]

Hey there,

I had wondered about reviews about the BS 10 by Victor, all the other BS models have reviews on this site, however I was unable to find one about the BS 10. Anyone willing to give a review about this please?

Greetings,
Jakob

[issarakaya]

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Mine is strung with BG85 at 26lbs, BP 295mm (empty), Net weight 87gram (empty) and this racket is stiff like YY NS9900
Slim shaft and frame will increase your speed for manouver, easy to generate power and very solid feel in hand...Very different from previous model (BS08/09) more faster and more powerful :D Compare to my NS9900 with same string and same tension BS10 power slighty better, swing speed and solid feel is equal and both are suitable for fast attack or defense.....one of my fave now. This review is personal preference, my feel could be different from other member so i suggest you must try by yourself to see if this racket suit for you ;)

[adonis]

so its a fast doubles racket like the ns9900?

however it's much more head-heavy as compared rite?

[issarakaya]

NS9900 BP is 285mm empty so yes it's more head heavy but when you swing you'll realize the speed is on par with NS9900 (slim design factor?)

[-Silver-]

wow, the racket looks quite good! Mind if post more pictures? If this racket play almost the same as NS9900 but head feel heavier, i think lot of people will want to try this racket out!

[adonis]

its about the same price as top yonex rackets though.. so it'll be a tough decision to make.

[issarakaya]

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sorry the pic quality is not so good....
the price is same like YY top line so i always suggest to try first, Victor seems increase their price since they sponsorship Korea national team :o
the handle is shorter than NS9900.....:)

[-Silver-]

Thanks for the pictures! Now waiting for someone to compare BS10 to SW35, to see any big difference between the two model.

[gancy]

how much you bought BS10? CAn u comment the difference as compare SW35?

[issarakaya]

^
price list in Jakarta is around US$ 150....:D
I cant comment about SW35 since i dont try it yet, the spec from 35 looks like more powerful than BS10 but slower...maybe if some of my friend buy it i will give it a try :D

[Ferrerkiko]

Hi bros : is this racket brave sword 10 better than brave sword 09, any korea players using brave sword 10 ?

[issarakaya]

i dont see any korea player use BS10 yet......for me yes this is better than 09 but for others might be have different feel and opinion.

[PapA_xlonG]

How is BS 10 if compared with BS 11?? Anyone try both before?

Choosing between these 2 rackets, hope can get one of them next month :p

[Erique]

issarakaya

where did you buy the BS 10? Buana or Victor in Mangga dua? how much in rupiah? did you get any discount?

[h4n5ip]

i dont see any korea player use BS10 yet......for me yes this is better than 09 but for others might be have different feel and opinion.


Woww.... you are a real collector bro :cool::cool:
don't forget to bring on the gathering kaskus ok
I would like to try it.

[Sealman]

^
price list in Jakarta is around US$ 150....:D


May I know which shop did u buy your bs10 from?

[issarakaya]

issarakaya

where did you buy the BS 10? Buana or Victor in Mangga dua? how much in rupiah? did you get any discount?
kedaiangkasa.com....i hijack this baby from his showroom, dont know the price yet....maybe must wait till it official launch in Indonesia. In Victor Mangga dua the price is 1,5 million rupiah.....dont know the discount, i never ask :p

Woww.... you are a real collector bro :cool::cool:
don't forget to bring on the gathering kaskus ok
I would like to try it.
i will bro, see u there :cool:
and about the collector you are YY national player collector, i'm nothing compare to you :p

May I know which shop did u buy your bs10 from?
kedaiangkasa.com....i dont know if they have any stock yet, so far only 1-2 pc per item (BS10,11,SW35,36) distributed to all Victor agent. Ask mr Santo for the stock, he is nice guy :)

[Sealman]

In Victor Mangga dua the price is 1,5 million rupiah.....dont know the discount, i never ask :p


Is this the Victor showroom? Is it located at Mangga Dua Mal? Thanks

[h4n5ip]

i will bro, see u there :cool:
and about the collector you are YY national player collector, i'm nothing compare to you :p



I might hold any of national player's racket. Unfortunately they are not in my bag :p:p


Is this the Victor showroom? Is it located at Mangga Dua Mal? Thanks

Yes you are correct, the only one showroom in jakarta.

[issarakaya]

Is this the Victor showroom? Is it located at Mangga Dua Mal? Thanks
Half correct, Mangga Dua Square and not in the mall but located outside the mall building (North Area). :)


Yes you are correct, the only one showroom in jakarta.
There were 3 showroom in Jakarta, one in Mangga Dua Square the other 2 located in Kelapa Gading but i dont know exactly the location. ;)

[blindfury]

I've been playing bs10 for 3 weeks now and here's my take:

stiff, very stiff, like the stiffness from mp100.
victor adjusts the stiffness according to each country's preference, so HK or CH versions are stiffer than TW, someone on "china badminton forum" verified this by emailing victor officials, i believe the "stiffness bar" on the shaft are also different.

i've had vast experience with Ti-10 first gen, all AT700 series and AT900P/T, MP99/100, and if i have to compare, i say it's most similar to 900T, but stiffer and head heavier (a bit, not by much, but not too little), slower than T but faster than P.

i tried out nanospeed 9900 only for 1 game, so i can't give much credibility to compare bs10 with it, but the stiffness level seemed very much alike.

another unique quality about bravesword is its swinging sound. it has a "wind" effect, although technically speaking, round design should give the least air resistance, but in this case it seems to give minimal difference.

racket frame is not as thin as i thought, it is very strong.... the most stable frame head i have ever strung with, very little distortion, it also indicates max lb around 28-30.

according to the spec, it has a slim shaft, but by eyes, i can't really tell, ti10 seems to have slimmer shaft (maybe just because of color, black vs "not so black" black).

out of all these rackets, i used ti-10 most intimately. for me, ti10 packs power, speed, and control, but somehow at a cost of Stability: this is something hard to describe, if you use ti-10 for long, you will notice there is something unstable about it... not that it's demanding... just unstable somehow...

so, in conclusion, switching from ti-10 first to bs10 is an interesting experience, frankly, you need time to adapt to any racket, if you find my comment salient, go ahead and give bs10 a try, or even bs11, for easier adaptation.

[Ferrerkiko]

Bro: if compare brave sword 10 vs super wave 35 , which one better in stiffness, and heavier head ?

[blindfury]

never tried sw35, if i can recall from memory, a friend told me a certain number in the super wave series is very similar to AT700 new, so, i'm guessing bs10 stiffer but headlighter than sw35.

[niemrieng]

@blindfury : have u ever tried the BS11? I think it's less demanding (yes not so powerful) than BS10 since it's less head heavier

NR

[Sealman]

Congrats to 2009 China Open MD winner BS10 and its owner JJ Sung :D
(Photo from Victor China website)

http://www.victorsport.com.cn/upfiles/news/200911/20091124143077.jpg

[blindfury]

Congrats to 2009 China Open MD winner BS10 and its owner JJ Sung :D
(Photo from Victor China website)



What?!!?!?! I was so certain that Sung was using a Power Wave... something red and blue.... did he switch racket between games or something? my god... my eyes deceive me...

nevertheless, that is good to know :), you go! boy! whip that bs10!

[blindfury]

@blindfury : have u ever tried the BS11? I think it's less demanding (yes not so powerful) than BS10 since it's less head heavier

NR

I never tried bs11, I'm planning to... but it seems nobody in GTA has it :(
yeah i agree... it must be less demanding than bs10...
There's a review for bs11 somewhere in the equipment forum, i believe somebody says 11 is headheavier. Personally, i think they are the same headheaviness, flexier shaft on 11 perhaps misleads ppl to think it is heavier... vice versa for bs10.

[Sealman]

Photo from Korean press - Lee Yong Dae trying out the BS10 during the Korea International Challenge

[Sealman]

Photo from Korean press - Lee Yong Dae trying out the BS10 during the Korea International Challenge
Source:
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1313257&postcount=2689

[blindfury]

nice find sealman! i doubt if he will stick with bs10 tho, given his preference is 09.

[niemrieng]

I thought Lee Yong Dae would go for BS11 instead of BS10 since he loves BS9's flex staff

[Ferrerkiko]

U re wrong , Lee yong dae prefer a stiff racket now!:D

[Sealman]

i doubt if he will stick with bs10 tho, given his preference is 09.

yes he did switch back to the bs09 during the finals...
http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1314591&postcount=32

[Granum]

I read somewhere that the BS10 made in Taiwan differ in stiffness from the BS10 from China..

Is that true?

[blindfury]

I read somewhere that the BS10 made in Taiwan differ in stiffness from the BS10 from China..

Is that true?

dude, read my post just few floors up. come on... :(

[Granum]

dude, read my post just few floors up. come on... :(

Oh, my bad. Didn't see it.

[tckang]

For BS-10 and BS-11, a lot of Chinese suppliers (Beijing, Guangzhou, Shanghai, etc i asked) claimed that BS10 and 11 are all directly from Taiwan (TW). Only SW35 and 36 may have Nanjing (CH), Taiwan (TW) and other version.
Again, when i contacted Jon Ling of AJ racket mart in Puchong, Malaysia, the same response is provided as above, that BS10 and BS11 only have TW version , no other code as all BS10 & BS11 have to get from Taiwan. Is that so ???

[blindfury]

For BS-10 and BS-11, a lot of Chinese suppliers (Beijing, Guangzhou, Shanghai, etc i asked) claimed that BS10 and 11 are all directly from Taiwan (TW). Only SW35 and 36 may have Nanjing (CH), Taiwan (TW) and other version.
Again, when i contacted Jon Ling of AJ racket mart in Puchong, Malaysia, the same response is provided as above, that BS10 and BS11 only have TW version , no other code as all BS10 & BS11 have to get from Taiwan. Is that so ???


My bs10 is HK coded, and interestingly - purchased in TW.
The fact is... *it makes no difference* where victor says the rackets are manufactured. Case and point, yonex is made in CH and quality controlled in JP. It is possible victor is made in CH, CC in TW.
Unless there is a variation like the "stiffness difference" (obviously stated on the shaft anyway), i don't see why one would dwell on this subject.

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[blindfury]

PS. factories do physically exist in TW, my guess is they are indeed made in TW, and distributed to CH and HK with slight variation in stiffness demanded by cultural preferences.

[szekt]

PS. factories do physically exist in TW, my guess is they are indeed made in TW, and distributed to CH and HK with slight variation in stiffness demanded by cultural preferences.

Huh? Am I missing something here??:confused: Didnt know that stiffness can be determined by cultural preferences.....like maybe the taiwanese like it "stiffer":D:D

[tckang]

My bs10 is HK coded, and interestingly - purchased in TW.
The fact is... *it makes no difference* where victor says the rackets are manufactured. Case and point, yonex is made in CH and quality controlled in JP. It is possible victor is made in CH, CC in TW.
Unless there is a variation like the "stiffness difference" (obviously stated on the shaft anyway), i don't see why one would dwell on this subject.

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Just curious to know their manufacturing and distribution system.
Reason i ask is because TW , HK, CH, etc all have different shaft stiffness for Victor rackets. ;)
As for Yonex case, all high end rackets, (e.g NS9900, Arc Z, AT900T/P, etc) are ONLY manufactured in Japan, then they are stamped with different distribution codes (SP, JP, CH, IP, etc.) before being distributed. Only medium range and entry range Yonex rakcet are allowed to be manufactured in Taiwan, China, etc.
Anyway, Thanks

[blindfury]

Huh? Am I missing something here??:confused: Didnt know that stiffness can be determined by cultural preferences.....like maybe the taiwanese like it "stiffer":D:D

it's the other way around... i'd rather not say stiffer or softer... they tend to imply things lol :D

[blindfury]

TW , HK, CH, etc all have different shaft stiffness for Victor rackets.

i'm almost certain HK bs10 has same stiffness as CH... as i own one of them :D

which victors are you referring to when you say all codes have different stiffness?

[tckang]

i'm almost certain HK bs10 has same stiffness as CH... as i own one of them :D

which victors are you referring to when you say all codes have different stiffness?
BS10, BS11, SW35, SW36 .....
i m not so familiar with Victor products hence am curious to know .....:D

[Aspire]

Victor BS10 & BS11 are indeed manufactured in Taiwan so obviously that its stated in the shaft & blue end-cap. As for the codes its simply to keep track for distributions and also on warranty issues at later stage when distributors made warranty claims. My SW31 is MY coded, SW35 is CN coded while my BS11 is without any code whatsoever! I got it all from 1 source.

As for SW35 & 36 no one is sure because those i've seen so far has no manufacturer country of origin stated on the racket. Also it has the non-slip black end-cap which is missing in the Braveswords.

Those who claims the spec differs from one country code to the other just do not make sense to me (pardon me for being rude) because firstly all these 4 models only comes in 3UG2. Secondly I doubt they have all the different coded rackets at once to make a fair & accurate comparison (when I say this the rackets should be brand new unstrung, original gripped & to measure the weight & BP using a digital swing-weight machine.)

Nevertheless, bear in mind all measurements stated is not 100% precise thus the +-.

[blindfury]

Those who claims the spec differs from one country code to the other just do not make sense to me

I'm with ya, but in the case of bs10 and 11, HK+CH codes are indeed different than TW for obvious reasons: 1) stiffness bar on shaft shows different amount, 2) victor official already told us so.

if not by these indications, i don't see why one would claim one code is different than another.

this brings up another myth of "is yonex CP really heavier than the rest"?
personally i have tried CP from this crazy collector (eddie if you're reading this, yes, it is you... lol) and frankly i don't feel any abnormality in terms of weight beyond the realm of manufacture variation +-.

[Aspire]

bs10 and 11, HK+CH codes are indeed different than TW for obvious reasons: 1) stiffness bar on shaft shows different amount, 2) victor official already told us so.

Thanks! I learned something new here.:)

I think Victor make some changes recently because they also have come up with a 4U SW35. The reason being so is because many complained about its sheer weight (head heavy) & stiffness. In this case its understandable.

But why CH & HK coded rackets being different from others?

[Aspire]

Thanks! I learned something new here.:)

I think Victor make some changes recently because they also have come up with a 4U SW35. The reason being so is because many complained about its sheer weight (head heavy) & stiffness. In this case its understandable.

But why CH & HK coded rackets being different from others?[/quote]

[blindfury]

distributed to CH and HK with slight variation in stiffness demanded by cultural preferences.

i'm not so surprised victor is aware of the demands of those big markets.
and as a taiwanese myself.... i have to say....

shame on CH preference, blindly pursuits stiffness, Taiwan independence!!!!

lol.... just joking... i actually like the CH stiffness more.

[Aspire]

Ya the stiffer the racket the longer its life span in term of playability. Also stiff racket tends to give more control to the player. In fact I personally think BS10 is a well speced racket but its color sheme is a bit on the dull side for me.

For those who doesnt care about the design BS10 is a good choice when comes to racket selection.
bs10 and 11, HK+CH codes are indeed different than TW for obvious reasons: 1) stiffness bar on shaft shows different amount, 2) victor official already told us so.

Thanks! I learned something new here.:)

I think Victor make some changes recently because they also have come up with a 4U SW35. The reason being so is because many complained about its sheer weight (head heavy) & stiffness. In this case its understandable.

But why CH & HK coded rackets being different from others?

[tckang]

Thanks for sharing on the topics. Now it has become clearer to me the way Victor rackets are manufactured and distributed, as compared to other brands.
Cheers.

[Jasonvan]

I had a chance to try out my new BS11 tonight, it seem to be a pretty mobile racket, i would say the power is probably slightly less than ARC10 and N70 but not by much, it's supposed to be head heavy but I don't really feel it's that head heavy, maybe just slightly head heavy. Defense wise it's pretty good, probably slightly better than the two above... Didn't get to play much at the net so I don't know about the net play aspect but I would say it's overall a pretty good racket since it's cheaper than the other two...

[Ferrerkiko]

Hi bros, Compare Brave sword 10 & super waves 35, which one is more stiff & head heavy ...?

Thanks!

[stnly]

@Jasonvan: How is the stiffness of BS11 compared to ARC10?

[alexkho]

I just wonder why victor have not change to the new grommets system. too expensive to change to mold ? for the racket?

[silentheart]

no. it is because the wave frame can not use at800 pattern.

[alexkho]

ohhh i guess is the mold issue i saw the tolson wave with the new pattern ...

[cayzi]

Sorry but what is a "new grommets system" which Victor did not use.

It would be nice to show it with pictures.

[alexkho]

this is an arc Z new grommets system. i believe it's a very good idea. but with this the racket frame has to be strong for the extra hole that is drill ....

[cayzi]

I do not see any difference.

[Alom]

Look at the cross strings, the grommet is not shared by the main strings.


I do not see any difference.

[LD rules!]

can someone tell me, if this racket is about the same head heavyness as the AT900t ? Thanks

[691196014]

can someone tell me, if this racket is about the same head heavyness as the AT900t ? Thanks
mines is head light(4U) even though i removed the original grip and replaced with plastic grap over handle with electric tape so definitely not head heavy at all unfortunately:crying:

[tommypham6]

Getting mine soon I hope :) It's flying in the air somewhere >_>

[CYW2006]

Sorry but what is a "new grommets system" which Victor did not use.

It would be nice to show it with pictures.
he means victor still using 72 holes
then other yonex racket are 76holes....so that the main string doenst share the same holes....

[CYW2006]

can someone tell me, if this racket is about the same head heavyness as the AT900t ? Thanks
nope.....it's ain't that heavy..
and u will feel very fast during you swing it.....
if u wish to get head heavy...u might try BS11 more heavy than BS10 ....

[CYW2006]

mines is head light(4U) even though i removed the original grip and replaced with plastic grap over handle with electric tape so definitely not head heavy at all unfortunately:crying:
i am using 3U...that i also not feeling head heavy..then urs is 4U...u wont feel any head heavy even thought u remove the grip.....
why not getting 3U from the beginning.....

[tommypham6]

Woohoo just got mine.. Can't wait to play with it.. Will give review soon!

[ksquared]

can someone tell me, if this racket is about the same head heavyness as the AT900t ? Thanks

I have these two rackets. i can say they are two very different rackets. I summarise as follows:-

at900t - much more head heavy, slower, but more powerful

bs10 - feels alot lighter, more even balanced (even though it says head heavy) comparatively, ALOT FASTER, but not as powerful

i used to play at900t alot and only recently got the bs10. when i first played bs10, i had a bit of trouble with the timing as its alot more manouverable and faster than at900t. you dont get as much oomph in the smash but if you string it tighter and get used to the timing, the smash power gap is alot closer.

because it feels so much lighter than at900t, i can swing the racket and control it alot faster. you need to get used to it though.

Also, when you hit the shuttle, the sound and feel is very different. personally, it sounds more muted. some people may not like it.

hope this helps.

[ksquared]

i also tried out the bs11. i personally feel its more head heavy than bs10. i find this a bit confusing as bs10 is supposed to me more the attacking type of racket

[Sealman]

are you using the 3u or 4u at900t/bs10?


I have these two rackets. i can say they are two very different rackets. I summarise as follows:-

at900t - much more head heavy, slower, but more powerful

bs10 - feels alot lighter, more even balanced (even though it says head heavy) comparatively, ALOT FASTER, but not as powerful

i used to play at900t alot and only recently got the bs10. when i first played bs10, i had a bit of trouble with the timing as its alot more manouverable and faster than at900t. you dont get as much oomph in the smash but if you string it tighter and get used to the timing, the smash power gap is alot closer.

because it feels so much lighter than at900t, i can swing the racket and control it alot faster. you need to get used to it though.

Also, when you hit the shuttle, the sound and feel is very different. personally, it sounds more muted. some people may not like it.

hope this helps.

[cayzi]

anyone tested SW36 and compare it to BS11 and BS10?

regards

[ksquared]

are you using the 3u or 4u at900t/bs10?

i use 3u for all my rackets and double wrap my grip. somehow, 900t feels a bit heavier than bs10. maybe because 900t is more head heavy balanced.

[Voldemont]

Both rackets are head heavy balance. However, I think the main difference is the frame shape. BS has sharp swordlike frame, this would slice the air faster than AT's more rounded frame,therefore the BS feels faster & more manuverable.
On the other hand, the AT rounded frame has more momentum when hitting the shuttle i.e. more powerful hit. For BS, you have to use faster wrist technique to generate the momentum for the same amount of power.
Just my 2 cents ;)

[dawei94]

Does anyone know the BP for BS10?

[Danielsan]

anyone tested SW36 and compare it to BS11 and BS10?

regards


Just wanna check whether anyone has an answer to the above quoted question? :rolleyes:

[paulstewart64]

BP for BS10 is very similar to BS11. I'll find out if I can.

I had the fortune to test a lot of Victor racquets recently so can compare all BS models and SIW35,36.

I was testing for a sports shop so I've also tried most of the Yonex range.

I've posted my review of BS10 on post titled Victor Asia, but can easily post it again here.

Paul
www.badminton-coach.co.uk (http://www.badminton-coach.co.uk)

[Danielsan]

Hi Paul

Saw your review on BS10 and it was helpful.

Do share more of your reviews on the various Victor rackets once available.

Thanks!!

[paulstewart64]

Danielsan

One of the great surprises for me was testing Victor Castilus 400. It's a fantastic racquet and a lot less money that BS models. Have you tried it?

I will be writing more reviews very soon, including SIW35, 3500 and BS09.

I have written reviews of Castilus 400, BS10 and BS11. But, as this post is about BS10, they're not for printing here.

You can pm me or preferably email me to get copies of these reviews.

To your success

Paul
www.badminton-coach.co.uk (http://www.badminton-coach.co.uk)

[yurimaster2010]

paul,
can PM me some reviews on BS 10 and BS 11 ?
thank you

[yurimaster2010]

i also tried out the bs11. i personally feel its more head heavy than bs10. i find this a bit confusing as bs10 is supposed to me more the attacking type of racket

hi bro ,
may i know what your major findings on BS11 and BS10?
BS11 is med stiff compare to BS10 which is stiff.
so BS10 might feel more heavy head compare to BS11...what you think?
BS11 feel lighter so good for defend game?

[M4ST3R]

Hi,

I just purchased the BS10. 3U - 91 grams, including string.
Until now I have used the neutral NS4500. Also a Z-Slash for a very short while. Now ZS is for sale :).
I will test BS10 this afternoon. But, before that, just wanted to mention that when you swing it through the air, without hitting the ball, it feels very different then NS4500. Very, very different. It is like BS10 is moving by itself, unlike 4500 which you can sense that it moves rather hard. And I have been using this NS4500 for a year now. I expect this BS10 to be a very pleasant experience.
Stiffness is very similar to Arc ZS.

[tank2008]

Hi,

I just purchased the BS10. 3U - 91 grams, including string.
Until now I have used the neutral NS4500. Also a Z-Slash for a very short while. Now ZS is for sale :).
I will test BS10 this afternoon. But, before that, just wanted to mention that when you swing it through the air, without hitting the ball, it feels very different then NS4500. Very, very different. It is like BS10 is moving by itself, unlike 4500 which you can sense that it moves rather hard. And I have been using this NS4500 for a year now. I expect this BS10 to be a very pleasant experience.
Stiffness is very similar to Arc ZS.Yesterday we tested my new N90ii (too bad with Bg65 by mistake), the defence is very good, punch very fast and powerful, but less powerful for smash than my Victor 9. I had to change to a defensive player from attacking with N90ii. Basicelly N90ii is more for single players or defensive players.

My Indenosian friend tried our teammate's new BS10, he immediately said this is a good racket for doubles. I will help him get 2 pcs at very good price. He will cut the strings of his Yonex rackets after getting BS10 and keeps them. Myself have not used BS10 before. I will get one for myself too. So far most guys ordered BS10 or 11 from me. Seems these 2 are really good. :)

[yurimaster2010]

how much u selling for bs 11 and 10

[tank2008]

how much u selling for bs 11 and 10I will PM you the price. Don't want to put price here. :)

[yurimaster2010]

I will PM you the price. Don't want to put price here. :)

can provide your best price in ringgit for bs11 ? item confirm genuine victor ? i can take item from prai

[tank2008]

can provide your best price in ringgit for bs11 ? item confirm genuine victor ? i can take item from praiOk, will PM you the price in Ringgit. So you stay at butterworth too? Need to find somebody to bring the racket over. :)

[M4ST3R]

Hi,

I've tested yesterday BS10.
It was a pleasure. Even if I already am in love with this sport, yesterday was even better.
First of all it is not a heavy racket. It is very easy to maneuver and to swing it through the air. Only couple of times I hit with the frame - it moves faster and so you get into hitting position and hit the ball earlier. But I got used to it very fast. It a very forgiving racket.
The only thing I think I will change soon is the tension in the strings. Now it has 9 kilos, I think I will go for 11 soon.
The smash is good, not as powerful as ZS but enough.
I was thinking of a comparison with ZS but I guess it is easier just to say that it is different in every way. It is lighter, swing is faster, control is muuuch better, backhand is good, net play is better, smash is not as powerful.
Overall, thank you Victor!!!

[ryim_]

I just got mine as well and will revert back with some comments :)

[yurimaster2010]

Hi,

I've tested yesterday BS10.
It was a pleasure. Even if I already am in love with this sport, yesterday was even better.
First of all it is not a heavy racket. It is very easy to maneuver and to swing it through the air. Only couple of times I hit with the frame - it moves faster and so you get into hitting position and hit the ball earlier. But I got used to it very fast. It a very forgiving racket.
The only thing I think I will change soon is the tension in the strings. Now it has 9 kilos, I think I will go for 11 soon.
The smash is good, not as powerful as ZS but enough.
I was thinking of a comparison with ZS but I guess it is easier just to say that it is different in every way. It is lighter, swing is faster, control is muuuch better, backhand is good, net play is better, smash is not as powerful.
Overall, thank you Victor!!!

hi pal,
thank you for sharing
perhaps you should try out BS11 if you got any possible chance as its will complete you up to the eternity level on badminton games.

[mitsu]

hi everyone
i am a new member here
but i have been reading the forum and finally register

i have recently bought a BS10 and have tried it and would like to give my 2 cents on this racquet

i have decide to buy this racquet after reading the reviews here as i was having difficulty deciding between bs 10 and bs 11

i find the bs 10 to be an extremely good racquet right on par with the ns9900

i find this racquet to be slightly head heavy but maneuvering with this racquet is very easy
it is really fast so for defense its really good. net shots are very accurate and defense against smashes are very easy
powerwise because of the head heaviness it is quite powerful. smashes are steep and fast
racquet stiffness wise, it doesnt really feel as stiff as the ns9900
its a really good racquet and i would recommend you buy this racquet if you want powerful smashes and quick defense....good all round racquet

hope this helps

[Maklike Tier]

Guys, I have a TW coded BS10, and a CNC coded BS10, and they're identical.

They play exactly the same, both have Blue end caps, both have the same stiffness rating graphic on the shaft.

Obviously this is really annoying because I bought the BS10 under the allusion it was stiffer than the BS11!

Can anyone shed some light???

*edit* Argh, I just re-read this whole thread. Damn!

[Aspire]

First of all is there a typo on your first line? Both stated as Bs10? Or what you really meant was TW BS11 and CNC BS10?

BP for both rackets are exactly the same. I measured it countless times. Anyhow you have to consider the +/-5 as sometimes there is no 100% accuracy.

For shaft stiffness, the BS10 should be stiffer than the BS11 generally. Its stated very clearly on the shaft's indicator (BS10 at 85% and BS11 at 70% approximately) for TW coded.

Bear in mind there are 2 different stiffness available in the market for BS10 and BS11 for certain codes/regions. The best way to distinguish is again by looking at the stiffness indicator on the shaft. In your case the TW coded should be the BS11 while the CNC should be BS10 if I am not mistaken. The problem lies with your CNC coded BS10 (70% stiffness) where a TW coded ones should be rated at 85%.

Why you buy when it indicates similar rating? Always trust the manufacturer's rating as they are accurate most of the time therefore both your rackets should play the same!

[Maklike Tier]

Yes sorry, it was late when I was typing that. I have a BS10 TW and BS11 CNC.

I had no idea that the BS10 TW was the same stiffness as a BS11 CNC. So does that mean in TW, that the BS10 and BS11 are identical rackets?? What's the point!?

I'm after a stiffer BS10, so does that mean I need to source one with any other code other than TW?

Where would I get one????

[Aspire]

Is your BS10 rated at 70% stiffness (arrow pointing slightly above the middle point)? If yes, you need to look for one which has the 85% stiffness where the arrow is almost at the end of the indicator.

As I said, there are 2 types of stiffness available in the market. Not necessarily TW coded ones. It could happen to any other codes as different regions get their supply from different sources. So the safest is to look at the shaft indication.

Btw where is your location?

[Maklike Tier]

I've asked Eric at RKEP to see if he can get me a stiffer BS10, but he doesn't sound confident.

Have you ever seen a Stiff rated TW coded racket?

[ryim_]

Is your BS10 rated at 70% stiffness (arrow pointing slightly above the middle point)? If yes, you need to look for one which has the 85% stiffness where the arrow is almost at the end of the indicator.

As I said, there are 2 types of stiffness available in the market. Not necessarily TW coded ones. It could happen to any other codes as different regions get their supply from different sources. So the safest is to look at the shaft indication.

Btw where is your location?


I've asked Eric at RKEP to see if he can get me a stiffer BS10, but he doesn't sound confident.

Have you ever seen a Stiff rated TW coded racket?
I had an HK BS10 and its rated at the same stiffness (on the Victor scale/bar) as my HK SW35s.

[Maklike Tier]

Here's the stiffness graphic of my TW BS11, and CNC BS10.

[Aspire]

That is exactly where your problem lies. They read the same (both 70%) thus play the same.

Those BS10 over here are stiffer. The stiffness is about 85% rating. As ryim mentioned above the same rating as SW35.

[Maklike Tier]

Good news! Eric contacted Victor and can get me a stiffer BS10! No idea what code it is, but I actually don't care.

I'm really liking the BG66M strings on it, too. Noticeably more repulsion @25lbs compared to BG80 @25lbs, with only a small learning curve getting used to the different feel and getting your range zero'd in with the lifts.

[ryim_]

This was the BS10 (HK Version) that I had but sold it a few weeks ago. As said before, the stiffness (on the scale) is as stiff as the SW35.

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[amirru]

Hi Victors fan,

being studying the BS10 & BS11 this few weeks n looks like im gonna buy one of this racket.. Bro Aspire, may i know how much is the BS10&11 selling at your place?? Thanks inadvance..

[Maklike Tier]

Hi Victors fan,

being studying the BS10 & BS11 this few weeks n looks like im gonna buy one of this racket.. Bro Aspire, may i know how much is the BS10&11 selling at your place?? Thanks inadvance..

Give Eric at RKEP / Squash_mart a email if you're after a BS11. The BS10's he has are identical to the BS11's so not worth getting IMHO.

[cephas_chan]

Mine is SG coded on the shaft.....bottom cap is blue with "Taiwan"...

Stiffness indicated on the shaft is almost near to highest stiffness....like the HK version...

[cephas_chan]

BS10 vs BS11....more or less the same except for the flex....BS11's more, BS10's less....even pricing is the same....the "tarik" effect of this racket is one of the fastest (based on swinging down the racket in a smashing motion & then PULL it up to standby (up-right) position)....less demanding on your deltoid muscle...save energy for more powerful smashes & games. To me, it's even balanced with original + replacement grips...it might be head heavy slightly if the original grip is removed.

[super64]

Hey there,

I had wondered about reviews about the BS 10 by Victor, all the other BS models have reviews on this site, however I was unable to find one about the BS 10. Anyone willing to give a review about this please?

Greetings,
Jakob

i bought one last week wow my game changed alots . my cross maneuvers coming from net area with shuttle near my knee portion alomost close to net crossing over tightly . my smash gained power , my net drives is so quick and powerful . my clears changed alot . my drops and shuttle control changed alot . All praises for this racket underrated but for me its more than outstanding and the swish sound feels so nice ! i strung it with 4 knots yonex nanogy 95 at 26lbs. with a 4u grip and an anti slip RKEP racket expert over grip . Powerful sword !

[HardSmasher]

I just got my first Victor, Brave Sword 10 3UG2 last night,my last racquet was copied NS7700, well, haven't try the sword in court yet, next game schedule will be later today, I have removed out the original grip, strapped with thick rubbery sponge type. Stringing it with YY BG85 at 26.5lbs. First feeling of holding it is great, feel it head heavy, but no effort swinging the racquet forehand and backhand as from the design build in that helps to cut through the air easily, and the sound of air cutting is quite fantastic.."suew" sound. Will share the experience after having playing with it later. Meanwhile, looking forward to Japan Open matches of Lin Dan vs Lee CW and Cai Y/Fu Hf vs Koo KK/Tan BH in 2.5 hours later. Live the game!

[HardSmasher]

Well, had played for the 3rd times, adapting to it....this racquet provide a powerful smash, mostly 1 time could kill my opponent compare to my previous racquet..may take few shots.....One the return shot, still need to adjust to the correct force applied, few shots hit the net during play. Backhand control is better and with better push.
Although initially from the frame that looks slim, but the smash and push is good, as I always believe wide frame with more mass will provide better kill, anyway with BS10 frame, it proves me wrong, basically with the design of slightly heavier head, this could execute the kill that is desired and not affecting your backhand control due to less resistance. Still need few practises to get in line with this gadget.

[ksquared]

i may be talking rubbish here, but in general, BS10 does not provide as much smash power as the AT900T and AT700. I know this as i have these racquets.

if some of you guys experienced greater smashing power, then i guess its because your smash swing suits BS10. BS10 is very light and quick, does not feel as head heavy as AT900T, thus you dont get the "hammer" feel on your smash. Its a good racquet though, don't get me wrong, aptly suited for fast doubles play. its the quickest racquest i've come across, just that i find it alot harder to kill off with my smashes.

i seem to get alot more smash returns from my opponents using BS10. Lesser on AT900T, and the fewest with the AT700. i dont normally use AT700 though as my wrist is not strong enough and i get pain after a session with it.

[HardSmasher]

i may be talking rubbish here, but in general, BS10 does not provide as much smash power as the AT900T and AT700. I know this as i have these racquets.

if some of you guys experienced greater smashing power, then i guess its because your smash swing suits BS10. BS10 is very light and quick, does not feel as head heavy as AT900T, thus you dont get the "hammer" feel on your smash. Its a good racquet though, don't get me wrong, aptly suited for fast doubles play. its the quickest racquest i've come across, just that i find it alot harder to kill off with my smashes.

i seem to get alot more smash returns from my opponents using BS10. Lesser on AT900T, and the fewest with the AT700. i dont normally use AT700 though as my wrist is not strong enough and i get pain after a session with it.

Ksquared, what is the string type & tension u apply on your BS10 and AT900T?

[ksquared]

i use bg66 sharp and 26lbs for both. sometimes 25lbs

[HardSmasher]

i use bg66 sharp and 26lbs for both. sometimes 25lbs

if you are using thicker string at higher tension, it is different.
bg66 will feel "dead" at higher tension, im using bg85 at 26.5lbs.
with thicker string(0.67 - 0.7mm), it will also increase the racquet weight for the kill.

[CalvinSeak]

BG66 Sharp is not the normal BG66 its thickness is .68 same as bg80

[HardSmasher]

BG66 Sharp is not the normal BG66 its thickness is .68 same as bg80

confuse naming, is this a yonex product as well, any website with the bg66 sharp info, i never come across in an official yonex website.

[ksquared]

It's a JP string. You can find out from JP website.

Very much like bg 85 but longer lasting. I used to use bg85 but at 26lbs, breaks too easily for me.

[ucantseeme]

Today I bought a bravesword 10 at the shop, which has my full trust. Strung after buy with VS 850 @ 24 lbs. Can't wait to test it.

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[ksquared]

congrats!

if you are concerned with chipping of the paint, please do not scoop up the shuttle with the racket (i normally do that rather than pick it up by hand). i did that and the gold paint came off after a few times.

[HardSmasher]

cool! welcome to the club :) that depend where you scoop the shuttle, i think from wooden floor is ok but not advisable from cement:), but without this practise of scooping, is like loosing some feel of the game. but maybe initially will the pain,like when you are getting a new car, maybe after 3 months, scratches on the racquet will not bring much impact then, the bag that i get is different, bigger bag(medium), anyway thanks for sharing.

[HardSmasher]

today...totally mastered the BS10, very good equipment, an all rounders that help you to execute all plan and strategy in the court. In summary, this is a superb racquet for doubles.

[paulstewart64]

In my opinion, BS10 is a seriously underrated racquet. I still can't believe how few players have tried a Victor racquet, especially BS10.

I gave it a 5 star rating because it's by far the best non Yonex racquet I have tested this year. The price is good and I believe more club and league players need to seriously try these racquets to find out how good they are.

Well done Victor for producing such brilliant racquets.

Paul
www.badminton-coach.co.uk (http://www.badminton-coach.co.uk)

[Maklike Tier]

Hey, I usually buy my Victors from Eric and RKEP, but he can't get the 'stiffer' version of the BS10 (The TW version is the same stiffness as the BS11).

Where's the best place to get a non-TW coded BS10??

[inmamy]

I'm not sure where you are located but I just ordered a BS10 off badmintonwarehouse.com (US based) and it is indeed the stiffer version. The code is "DE"--not sure what it stands for, but definitely the stiffer version (I also have the BS11 for comparison.)

[LD rules!]

I'm not sure where you are located but I just ordered a BS10 off badmintonwarehouse.com (US based) and it is indeed the stiffer version. The code is "DE"--not sure what it stands for, but definitely the stiffer version (I also have the BS11 for comparison.)

DE = Germany, the same code as the SW35 that I have.

[blindfury]

Hey, I usually buy my Victors from Eric and RKEP, but he can't get the 'stiffer' version of the BS10 (The TW version is the same stiffness as the BS11).

Where's the best place to get a non-TW coded BS10??

badmintonshoponline

[blindfury]

Hey, I usually buy my Victors from Eric and RKEP, but he can't get the 'stiffer' version of the BS10 (The TW version is the same stiffness as the BS11).

Where's the best place to get a non-TW coded BS10??

they carry HK code

[amleto]

In my opinion, BS10 is a seriously underrated racquet. I still can't believe how few players have tried a Victor racquet, especially BS10.
www.badminton-coach.co.uk (http://www.badminton-coach.co.uk)

that might have something to do with how few retailers sell it - I've only found one place that does!

[RSX]

Any BCFer interested in the Victor BS 9/10/11 or SW 35/36 or Spectra 21 can PM me, I can get them to you for well under MSRP. Also have a demo for the SP21 for those in the GTA. Tks.

[GT0ro]

Hey, I usually buy my Victors from Eric and RKEP, but he can't get the 'stiffer' version of the BS10 (The TW version is the same stiffness as the BS11).

Where's the best place to get a non-TW coded BS10??


Don't think that is true. On the website they rate it as the same but the rating on the rackets are different.

[GT0ro]

Any BCFer interested in the Victor BS 9/10/11 or SW 35/36 or Spectra 21 can PM me, I can get them to you for well under MSRP. Also have a demo for the SP21 for those in the GTA. Tks.

Eric from RKEP prices are already well under MSRP and the pricing you have posted.

Plus Victor Canada isn't all that reliable. They don't even seem to update/know their own products. They have pictures for the wrong rackets and don't have the lastest equipment.

And I believe the racket is Spira 21.

[RSX]

Eric from RKEP prices are already well under MSRP and the pricing you have posted.

Plus Victor Canada isn't all that reliable. They don't even seem to update/know their own products. They have pictures for the wrong rackets and don't have the lastest equipment.

And I believe the racket is Spira 21.

Sorry for the typo, s/b Spira. I did not post any pricing not sure where you got that from, nor did I say anything about Eric from RKEP. In terms of Victor Canada, what does their knowledge (or lack there of) have to do with reliability or this post ??

[LD rules!]

Sorry for the typo, s/b Spira. I did not post any pricing not sure where you got that from, nor did I say anything about Eric from RKEP. In terms of Victor Canada, what does their knowledge (or lack there of) have to do with reliability or this post ??

I am waiting a reply to the PM I sent to you :)

[GT0ro]

Sorry for the typo, s/b Spira. I did not post any pricing not sure where you got that from, nor did I say anything about Eric from RKEP. In terms of Victor Canada, what does their knowledge (or lack there of) have to do with reliability or this post ??

Well, correct me if I'm wrong. Believe you are MJ from mjstrings.ca
anyways, based on mjstrings.ca pricing posted is higher than eric from rkep.plus, as an authorized victor dealer, mjstrings.ca is required to sell victor canada rackets. I am saying victor canada is fairly disorganized as they don't seem to update their products or correctly post information about their products. Take what you will. Just a heads up to others considering Canadian coded victor rackets.

[RSX]

Well, correct me if I'm wrong. Believe you are MJ from mjstrings.ca
anyways, based on mjstrings.ca pricing posted is higher than eric from rkep.plus, as an authorized victor dealer, mjstrings.ca is required to sell victor canada rackets. I am saying victor canada is fairly disorganized as they don't seem to update their products or correctly post information about their products. Take what you will. Just a heads up to others considering Canadian coded victor rackets.

Yes I am MJ, however I am not talking about retail prices and nowhere did I post any pricing on BCF. I just wanted to help out local BCF members looking for Victor racquets since I have some incentives right now and wanted to pass on the savings. Regardless of how Victor Canada presents their products, how does that have anything to do with the actual products you get ? i.e. if you buy a racquet from any Canadian retailer are you saying somehow they are inferior because the distributor's website may contain inaccurate or outdated info ? Sorry but your post seems quite defensive, so not sure where you are coming from.

Anyhow I'm not going to hijack this post as its supposed to be about BS10 reviews, so I will not post anything further.

Tks.

[GT0ro]

Yes I am MJ, however I am not talking about retail prices and nowhere did I post any pricing on BCF. I just wanted to help out local BCF members looking for Victor racquets since I have some incentives right now and wanted to pass on the savings. Regardless of how Victor Canada presents their products, how does that have anything to do with the actual products you get ? i.e. if you buy a racquet from any Canadian retailer are you saying somehow they are inferior because the distributor's website may contain inaccurate or outdated info ? Sorry but your post seems quite defensive, so not sure where you are coming from.

Anyhow I'm not going to hijack this post as its supposed to be about BS10 reviews, so I will not post anything further.

Tks.


There shouldn't be any dealers in the forums anyways as per the rules.

And I am too trying to help out other BCF members in saying that Eric from RKEP has low pricing below MSRP and below what mjstrings.ca is offering.

I pointed out that Victor Canada is disorganized. And no, I wouldn't buy from Victor Canada or it's retailers as there are many good deals to be found elsewhere.

[blindfury]

BS10 vs BS11....more or less the same except for the flex....BS11's more, BS10's less....even pricing is the same....the "tarik" effect of this racket is one of the fastest (based on swinging down the racket in a smashing motion & then PULL it up to standby (up-right) position)....less demanding on your deltoid muscle...save energy for more powerful smashes & games. To me, it's even balanced with original + replacement grips...it might be head heavy slightly if the original grip is removed.

uh..... tarik effect??

[huangxl]

Tarik means pull in malay language. I think he means the transition speed as BS10 is stiffer and not so head heavy as BS11. Hence after smashing, you can recover faster.

[HardSmasher]

just for clarification,which one is actually head heavier or the same? BS10 or BS11??

[Maklike Tier]

They're the same. They're barely head heavy though - no where near as head heavy as say an Armortec or the Voltric.

Just enough for some oomph, not so much as to slow you down.

:D

[huangxl]

Bs 11 head heavier and whippier

[Maklike Tier]

Bollocks. They're within 3mm of eachother.

[HardSmasher]

Bollocks. They're within 3mm of eachother.
which one is 3mm bigger?

[Maklike Tier]

Just get the 10.

:D

[HardSmasher]

Just get the 10.

:D

already have 10 :) just wondering about SW35 as spare or vice versa :confused:

[blindfury]

Tarik means pull in malay language. I think he means the transition speed as BS10 is stiffer and not so head heavy as BS11. Hence after smashing, you can recover faster.

ah i see, thanks for clearing that up.

[Maklike Tier]

already have 10 :) just wondering about SW35 as spare or vice versa :confused:

I won't hijack this thread with a SW35 review as there's already a thread on it. It's a racket worth having I reckon - I'm still undecided on whether that or the BS10 is my go-to. Both very different but both very good in their own right.

[LD rules!]

already have 10 :) just wondering about SW35 as spare or vice versa :confused:

if you buy a SW35, then you will find that the BS10 will be spending a lot of time in your bag.:)

[Maklike Tier]

I think it depends on your level, and how you have it strung. I have both BS10 and SW35 strung with BG66M @ 25lbs, and my touch game is lacking on the SW35. I prefer it for every other aspect, but I'm struggling transitioning to my short game to the point I'm thinking of backing off the tension.

They're both such good and affordable rackets that if you're a Victor fan, it's worth having both just so you can contrast and compare.

[amleto]

wont lowering tension make the 'touch game' more difficult?

[yan2511]

Hey Bro...if go to [B]VICTOR TW ,the BW 10 shaft is MEDIUM STIFF as shown in the detail . www.victorsport.com.tw

Compare with the VICTOR EN or OFFICIAL WEBSITE ,BW 10 shaft is STIFF as Shown in detail. www.victorsport.com

[yan2511]

Hey, I usually buy my Victors from Eric and RKEP, but he can't get the 'stiffer' version of the BS10 (The TW version is the same stiffness as the BS11).

Where's the best place to get a non-TW coded BS10??

Hey Bro...if go to VICTOR TW ,the BW 10 shaft is MEDIUM STIFF as shown in the detail . www.victorsport.com.tw

Compare with the VICTOR EN or OFFICIAL WEBSITE ,BW 10 shaft is STIFF as Shown in detail. www.victorsport.com
U can buy it at MALAYSIA....:D GOOD LUCK...TQ

[ucantseeme]

if you buy a SW35, then you will find that the BS10 will be spending a lot of time in your bag.:)

Have also both. The SIW 35 if I play with a girl XD. For MD I change between SIW and BS10. Mostly depends on if my opponents are smashing freaks I choose the BS10 for better defending. If not my choice depends on mood an my partner. But I must agree with LD rules!. I play more with the SIW 35. :)

[Boaster]

Have also both. The SIW 35 if I play with a girl XD. For MD I change between SIW and BS10. Mostly depends on if my opponents are smashing freaks I choose the BS10 for better defending. If not my choice depends on mood an my partner. But I must agree with LD rules!. I play more with the SIW 35. :)

+1

I've played with BS10 for a while before getting a SW35... the SW35 is more suited for my style. VERY powerful, I play 99% mens' doubles and prefer the back court position. Big time smashes and easy drop shots. The BS10 is no doubt a great racket and like most say its FAST. But for some reason, the shear raw power waiting in the SW35 is just the right combination (for me and my style).

[Maklike Tier]

I really want a racket with the best parts of the SW35 and BS10 wrapped into one.

:D

[paulstewart64]

Maklike

Try doing some of my armchair exercises, especially video no 3. Once practiced you won't need to worry about changing.

Paul
www.badminton-coach.co.uk (http://www.badminton-coach.co.uk)

[HardSmasher]

if you buy a SW35, then you will find that the BS10 will be spending a lot of time in your bag.:)

well, at the moment i will stick with BS10, it still serve me good, im synchronising well with the racket. too much choice will make us out of concentration :)

[johnchang]

So is there any shop in Klang valley ( Malaysia ) that sells the BS 10 stiff version?

[super64]

So is there any shop in Klang valley ( Malaysia ) that sells the BS 10 stiff version?

i bought mine online at www.authenticbadminton.com

[hduong]

Anyone have both 4U and 3U versions of BS10? Beside weight, how do they differ in play?

[super64]

Anyone have both 4U and 3U versions of BS10? Beside weight, how do they differ in play?
both are good its just the grip usually its in 3u it doesnt change much . just buy what fits ur hand.

[flite]

Just got hold of a new BS10 today with the blue butt-cap which is exactly like my BS11 that I bought from Taipei. Anyhow I saw there are a few minor cosmetic changes on the BS10 compared to the BS11.

1.) The "square head shape" wordings is missing at the top part of the frame.
2.) The stiffness indicator is on the cone instead on the bottom of the shaft.
3.) The specification sticker is missing too. All spec ratings are on the cone.
3.) Only "Sword" instead of "BraveSword" on the 4 and 5 o'clock position of the inner frame. The font is different too.

Stiffness rating is stiff. 5 out of 5 rating on the indicator.

Also I did measure the BP which is 296mm versus 292mm on the BS11. Both without string and with original grip at the time of measuring. Both rackets are 3UG2 and will be testing it out after I got it strung.

[flite]

I sent my newly purchased BS10 for stringing today in my friend's shop and noticed a few changes in the specification compared to those he has in the shop.

Beside the cosmetic difference and all that I listed on the above post, there are a few "major" changes to this new batch of Braveswords:

1.) Overall length is now 675mm instead of the previous 672mm. Now its length is the same as BS08 and 09.
2.) Frame width is not as slim and aerodynamic as previous batches but still slightly slimmer compared to BS08 and 09. The frame width of the latest Bravesword is in between the size of the previous batches and BS08 and 09.
3.) When in full swing, the "swoosh" sound generated by the aerodynamic frame is not as sharp and clear compared to the previous version but still better compared to BS08 and 09.

I discussed the matter with my friend and ring up a distributor to get a clearer picture of it and from what they said, this could be an improved/new version of BS10 & 11. It could be that after a year of launching the first batch of BS10 & 11 and also from the feedback of its players, Victor decided to do some tweaking here and there for their best seller.

Anyway could someone else share more informations on this. Also some pictures to share...

[cycilver]

i hope they make the paint stronger XD

[Maklike Tier]

Where'd you get that example from? Not to be rude, but it's not a copy is it? Looks real but it seems strange that it just has SWORD written on it.

I only have a TW coded version which is not as stiff as the other codes, and I'm keen to get an example that's stiffer.

[blindfury]

What the hell? Never thought they will redesign BS10....

to Flite;

If you don't mind me asking, where did you get your BS10?

[flite]

Where'd you get that example from? Not to be rude, but it's not a copy is it? Looks real but it seems strange that it just has SWORD written on it.

I only have a TW coded version which is not as stiff as the other codes, and I'm keen to get an example that's stiffer.

This is a genuine unit LOL. I got it straight from a licensed Victor distributor. As I stated above this is actually the new version of BS10&11 for year 2011 onwards. Some countries (especially Asia) will receive the 1st batch of the latest version first and the others later in the year.

I got the clarification from them already as I was quite amused at the beginning too.

Also it has nothing to do with the country code and stiffness rating. Indeed it has 2 different shaft ratings for the previous version of BS10&11.




What the hell? Never thought they will redesign BS10....

to Flite;

If you don't mind me asking, where did you get your BS10?

I got it from a Victor regional distributor who is a baddy mate of mine. He often travel within S.E.A.

[ucantseeme]

Did they only changed the cosmetics? I'm hoping the paint is stronger. Mine is peeling of at the cap.

[Koooko]

I bought the new version not too long ago, the (swoosh) sound really like missing out. But still, everything is still the same. Smash is efforttless, drop, clear. I just love it.^^

[blindfury]

I bought the new version not too long ago, the (swoosh) sound really like missing out. But still, everything is still the same. Smash is efforttless, drop, clear. I just love it.^^

where from? im trying to track one down myself... hehehe.

[Koooko]

where from? im trying to track one down myself... hehehe.

I bought it in Malaysia.Free victor shirt, string, grip and bag for MYR 500.^^

[Alom]

both are good its just the grip usually its in 3u it doesnt change much . just buy what fits ur hand.

3U / 4U refers to weight! Your getting confused with 'G'. Which is for grip size.

[Yoppy]

I finally found new replacement for my NS9900, it's called BS10. Absolutely happy with it's performance. I will write a proper review soon.

[Yoppy]

First of all, thank you to ants for providing the review template.

I think i need not to provide any intro for this Victor racket. Instead I should provide an intro about myself (the player). I started playing badminton at the age of 8 (although taken time on and off since then) I played mostly doubles, and we enjoy fast attacking play both at the back and at the net. And therefore I always wanted a fast and stiff racket, and up to last night I have never come across anything better than NS9900. Perhaps many of you know already know that Im a die hard NS9900 user as i always said in this forum that NS9900 is the best racket ever hahaha, i do love every bit of it.
I injured myself about 2 month ago (the doctor said it was tennis elbow), since then I rested for 2 weeks and I dare not to hit as hard as I would previously (as Im still feeling pain on my elbow)

Anyway, I was become aware that Victor has come to Sydney, and to cut the story short I get the BS10 among many others (which will bring my total collection to 30 plus). Honestly I don’t know much about this racket before, not even this thread. All I know is people giving short comment about this racket, that’s about it.

Name: Victor Brave Sword 10
Specs: 4U/G2
Shaft stiffness: Extra Stiff
Balance point: Balance/Head Light
Strings: Victor VS-850
Tension: 26lbs
Grip: RKEP

Paint work and design:
The things that strike me with BS10 were the metallic paint and sharp pointy edges of the frame as well as the waving section inside the frame. Please forgive me if these info are all too common for Victor regular users, as a new Victor user that were the things that set BS10 apart from other non-Victor rackets. IMO the inside wave will give extra strength to the racket (hence it can handle higher tension) the same way an arc window would do to the building structure.

Warm up:
I had a bit of hard time adjusting to the timing and the feel of this racket. But when 2 mins warm up ended, i know straight away that this racket is really2 good. I have absolutely no complaint about every aspects of this racket.
But at this point I was still in denial that nothing beats my NS9900. I only thought that this BS10 is only as good as NS9900. I did not believe that there is any lighter and stiffer and more dynamic racket out there.

Game play:
As i mention previously, i was injured and playing at perhaps 70% of my max power. One thing that i notice straight away, BS10 was faster than NS9900. Maybe its because of 2 things, the NS9900 that i use was 3U and this BS10 was 4U, another thing would be the frame design which BS10 has. That sword like edges cuts through the air effortlessly.
Naturally, the next thing I was eager to know is the power department. For a start there are 2 disadvantages, me being injured and the racket strung 2 lbs below my normal tension. But to my excitement I was hitting harder than ever and the angle/accuracy of the smash was amazing, it really surprised me. I know that in a way, me being weaker and the tension being lower help in one way. Therefore, I ignored my injury and started hitting 100% as hard as I can. The next thing I know, the strings starting to shift all over (none of the middle main strings were straight LOL) and I could feel that the string telling me “You’re hitting too hard!!” LOL. At that stage, I could not hit the bird any faster/harder, its just simply not possible at that tension. And I know 2 things from that: 1. BS10 is more powerful than NS9900 and 2. If I strung this BS10 at 28 lbs (at my normal tension) it will be even more powerful.
All I can say now is that I have found a new wife and its the best racket ever made!!
And that leaves me wanting even more to try the rest of the Victor rackets.


Im not sure where the fibe coming from about BS10 being an evenly balanced racket. This racket IMO is a balanced toward head light racket suitable for attack minded doubles player.

Racket ratings out of 10:

Feel: 9/10
Control: 9/10
Power: 10/10
Defense: 9.5/10
Looks and finish: 8/10
Value for Money: 10/10

[Naim.F.C]

It is indeed a sublime racket. Fastest most precise racket I've ever used.

[Maklike Tier]

Of course it's better than the NS9900. That's why I sold my 9900, yet still have a BS10 in my bag! :D

Be warned though, the holographic bits on the head will start to flake off any day now.

Someone suggested that they make the BS10 with a woven head and Filament wound shaft, and you know, I reckon Victor would be on a winner if they made a BS like that.

Or they could just make a medium-stiff MX80 :)

[Yoppy]

Im feel so lucky to find this racket LOL. But not enough for me to sell my NS9900 (have 2 of them), after all its still my 2nd best racket that accompanied me to many journeys hahaha....

[Yoppy]

ATM I want to give BS11 and BS12 a go, what do you guys think of them? Any better than BS10?

[Maklike Tier]

I like my new BS12 better than my BS11 or BS10. The BS10 is very much like the Armortec Tour - Medium shaft, slight head-heaviness, whereas the BS12 is just a less stiff version of the BS10 as far as I can ascertain, yet has a nicer feel for me somehow.

My 10 and 11 have similar BP's (BP293/295), but the 11 carries more weight in the head, whereas the 10 it feels more evenly distributed.

The 12 however is more headlight (BP288) but seems to carry more of that weight in the yoke and shaft, which sounds weird but I like it.

You might like the 12, certainly worth a go. I don't find it any less directionally stable than the 10, and as you've discovered, more importantly I don't have any shoulder or elbow issues wielding it.

[Yoppy]

Thanks for that Maklike Tier, I will certainly give BS12 a go. Especially the part that its more head lighter than BS10. How about the stiffness? It will be a monster if BS12 is stiffer than BS10.

[Naim.F.C]

Thanks for that Maklike Tier, I will certainly give BS12 a go. Especially the part that its more head lighter than BS10. How about the stiffness? It will be a monster if BS12 is stiffer than BS10.

BS12 is actually a medium stiff rated racket. Compared to the BS10's stiff but not very stiff rating.

[Maklike Tier]

Nah man, it's not stiffer than the 10 - my 10 is TW coded while I understand other codes are stiffer.

TW = oo•Oooo

Others = o•oOooo

If you want stiffer than the BS10, you need to find a KR coded version or something, or try the MX80 or SP21 or 22.

[Yoppy]

BS12 is actually a medium stiff rated racket. Compared to the BS10's stiff but not very stiff rating.I see. I will give it a go anyway. So in the Victor range is there any racket head lighter and stiffer than BS10? Im a strong believer in having super light head and super stiff racket, its a deadly combination of speed and power.

[Yoppy]

Nah man, it's not stiffer than the 10 - my 10 is TW coded while I understand other codes are stiffer.

TW = oo•Oooo

Others = o•oOooo

If you want stiffer than the BS10, you need to find a KR coded version or something, or try the MX80 or SP21 or 22.. Mine are all TW coded too (as they have not come up with AU code). I tried the MX80 3U (just for a short brief), and looking forward to try the 4U next week. Also tried SP21 a while back but did not impress me as much. Dont know about the SP22, again I will certainly give it a go.

[Naim.F.C]

What strings do you use Yoppy?

[Maklike Tier]

. Mine are all TW coded too (as they have not come up with AU code). I tried the MX80 3U (just for a short brief), and looking forward to try the 4U next week. Also tried SP21 a while back but did not impress me as much. Dont know about the SP22, again I will certainly give it a go.

There are AU coded Victors - Lucas Yao down here in Melbourne is the AU distro and his are AU coded. Same as the TW coded though wrt stiffnesses.

I think the SP22 is the next model I'd like to try. Now I just have to go sell a kidney....

[Yoppy]

What strings do you use Yoppy?ATM BG65Pro, but last night for the 1st time i used VS-850. In the past I used NG95, BG65Ti and BG65. Basically, I like any genuine string between 0.68 - 0.7 mm strung at 28 lbs (I tried 30lbs but it got me injured) which smacked me in the head not to go there anymore LOL.

[Naim.F.C]

There are AU coded Victors - Lucas Yao down here in Melbourne is the AU distro and his are AU coded. Same as the TW coded though wrt stiffnesses.

I think the SP22 is the next model I'd like to try. Now I just have to go sell a kidney....

Lol tell me about it. These things aren't cheap. For some reason I now have the itch to try a VT80. I need to quell my curiosity before it swallows my wallet whole lol.

[Yoppy]

There are AU coded Victors - Lucas Yao down here in Melbourne is the AU distro and his are AU coded. Same as the TW coded though wrt stiffnesses.Really? I see. I did not know that. May I know does he have a shop to visit? Damn I just got back from Melb, I should have visit him.

I think the SP22 is the next model I'd like to try. Now I just have to go sell a kidney....Show me your bank statement and I will decide to believe you or not LOL

[Naim.F.C]

ATM BG65Pro, but last night for the 1st time i used VS-850. In the past I used NG95, BG65Ti and BG65. Basically, I like any genuine string between 0.68 - 0.7 mm strung at 28 lbs (I tried 30lbs but it got me injured) which smacked me in the head not to go there anymore LOL.

Have you tried the BG66 or BG66UM? I strung my MX80 with BG66UM recently, and actually found it made the racket faster and lighter (it had VS-850 on it previously). Changed the BP a bit too. It now swings about the same speed as my BS10 on ZY67. Makes roughly the same sound too (higher pitched faster swipe than my other rackets). The BS10's frame is still more aerodynamic, but the thinner gauge strings seem to help the MX80 get as close to it as reasonably possible. Love the spring and repulsion of the string too.

[anthony_6]

i'm using a bs10 at the moment too and yes it is a very quick racket.. however as mentioned before by yoppy the strings got out of shape after hard hits, is it the strings are loose or is it just the nature of the racket?

[Maklike Tier]

I had my BS10, 12, Ti-550 and SW35 strung with BG66M, and while I like it, I found it's repulsiveness hard to transition on, which was fine in singles but I was fluffing too many shots at the front of the court in doubles. Not really a problem with the string, more that I'm a crap player ;)

Honestly, I haven't tried a crapload of strings, but I kinda keep going back to the BG80/ZM67/VS850 type of string. Easy to transition on, good feel, and adequate oomph. Could be worse. :)

[Yoppy]

Have you tried the BS66 or BS66UM? I strung my MX80 with BG66UM recently, and actually found it made the racket faster and lighter (it had VS-850 on it previously). Changed the BP a bit too. It now swings about the same speed as my BS10 on ZY67. Makes roughly the same sound too (higher pitched faster swipe than my other rackets). The BS10's frame is still more aerodynamic, but the thinner gauge strings seem to help the MX80 get as close to it as reasonably possible. Love the spring and repulsion of the string too.I see. Sorry whats BS66 and BS66UM? Do you mean BG66? Problem is: I did not have good experience with thinner string. I dont know i just dont get the same feeling compare to the ticker ones. I prefer to pull the ticker string high so it gets thiner rather than having thinner string at a lower tension. Plus if you pull thinner string to a higher tension I found it loses accuracy and control, and also a lot less durable. Therefore just I dont use them anymore

[Naim.F.C]

I see. Sorry whats BS66 and BS66UM? Do you mean BG66? Problem is: I did not have good experience with thinner string. I dont know i just dont get the same feeling compare to the ticker ones. I prefer to pull the ticker string high so it gets thiner rather than having thinner string at a lower tension.

Yeap sorry I meant BG not BS lol. Edited. And fair enough.

[Maklike Tier]

i'm using a bs10 at the moment too and yes it is a very quick racket.. however as mentioned before by yoppy the strings got out of shape after hard hits, is it the strings are loose or is it just the nature of the racket?

All strings take time to bed-in.

[anthony_6]

i have just ordered mx80 and can't wait to see if it can generate more power as here we only play doubles and hardly singles.. as from reviews it was like bs10 and sw35 combined into one racket... hope it don't disappoint me... maybe it's time for me to invest in a stringing machine too as we don't have a stringer at our club..

[Naim.F.C]

i have just ordered mx80 and can't wait to see if it can generate more power as here we only play doubles and hardly singles.. as from reviews it was like bs10 and sw35 combined into one racket... hope it don't disappoint me... maybe it's time for me to invest in a stringing machine too as we don't have a stringer at our club..

I don't think you'll be disappointed. MX80 is the best doubles racket I've used yet. It was already brilliant with the VS-850, but I'm finding it even sharper and more nippy with the BG66UM. I had the stringer use Victor's 2011 catalogue 80 grommet pattern instructions this time, and I'm pretty sure my racket head looks ever so slightly more isometric now lol.

It's got the vast majority of the speed from the Brave Sword series, but with that added power I was looking for. Which could be due to a number of reasons, ranging from the added stiffness, head weight, woven frame, 80 grommet system, octo frame, who knows?

[anthony_6]

i ordered mine with vs850 28lbs, have not handled such high tension before and hopefully i don't hurt myself trying... it's pain to string here especially in place where i live... the only guy who have a friend who strings take 1 week for indecent stringing... hopefully will earn some money in the summer to buy a stringing machine myself, that way i will be able to try different tensions too....

[Naim.F.C]

i ordered mine with vs850 28lbs, have not handled such high tension before and hopefully i don't hurt myself trying... it's pain to string here especially in place where i live... the only guy who have a friend who strings take 1 week for indecent stringing... hopefully will earn some money in the summer to buy a stringing machine myself, that way i will be able to try different tensions too....

VS-850 at 28lbs on this stiff relatively head heavy beast? Ouch. I'm definitely not fit or strong enough to handle many hours of play with that kind of set up at consistent play quality, not without receiving some aches or pains anyway lol.

[Yoppy]

i'm using a bs10 at the moment too and yes it is a very quick racket.. however as mentioned before by yoppy the strings got out of shape after hard hits, is it the strings are loose or is it just the nature of the racket?From my exp, it just means that the impact pressure is higher than the string tension. Therefore its an indication than the string tension is too low and you can get more power by increasing it. This is of course only applies if you are a hard hitter type of player, some will like the lower tension as it gives more feel and control

[anthony_6]

VS-850 at 28lbs on this stiff relatively head heavy beast? Ouch. I'm definitely not fit or strong enough to handle many hours of play with that kind of set up at consistent play quality, not without receiving some aches or pains anyway lol.

lol hopefully i know my limits and will switch to bs10 whenever i feel any pain or aches...

as said we only concentrate on doubles here and i think i'm more comfortable in front as my partner is a hard hitter and i usually play front when we are attacking..therefore i need lot's of control playing net shot sometimes... i thought of getting 26lbs but have not tried 28lbs and have been itching to do so....

i'll post some updates here when i receive my rackets, it'll be on which racket i prefer...

[radicalrev]

Do u guys recommend a 4U or 3U version?

[Carbotec503]

Can anyone tells me which of the bravesword series is head heavier than bs10?

[Willi@m]

BS11 lor................

[Yoppy]

Can anyone tells me which of the bravesword series is head heavier than bs10?BS10 is the most head light of all BS series

[Naim.F.C]

BS10 is the most head light of all BS series

Are you sure about that? I personally doubt it. BS12 for example is measured as even balanced, BS10 is slightly head heavy. I measured mine to have a BP of 295mm. That was with pretty light strings.

[demolidor]

[COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Name: Victor Brave Sword 10
Specs: 4U/G2
Shaft stiffness: Extra Stiff
Balance point: Balance/Head Light
Strings: Victor VS-850
Tension: 26lbs
Grip: RKEP


Which version is yours? The one with "Brave Sword" on the inside frame or just with "Sword"? Noticed someone say the frame profile is a bit more rounded like the BS12 (and BS09?) now? Should perhaps make it even quicker, flat areas are like adding a spoiler on it although you might not even notice the difference with such a tiny area(?) ...

[CarbonexFan]

I cannot find the BS10 in the catalog of Victor for 2011 and that the BS12 is taken over the position of the BS10 in the Victor racket chart. Is it true that the BS10 is out of production?

[Benwilluk]

Although the BS10 isn't in the catalogue these are still available to buy, in fact I got one yesterday. Not quite sure why it doesn't feature though as it is one of Victors best rackets.

[Yoppy]

Which version is yours? The one with "Brave Sword" on the inside frame or just with "Sword"? Noticed someone say the frame profile is a bit more rounded like the BS12 (and BS09?) now? Should perhaps make it even quicker, flat areas are like adding a spoiler on it although you might not even notice the difference with such a tiny area(?) ...

Mine is written just "sword", the newer version I guess. Unfortunately have not seen the older version so I can't compare

[kvn4000]

Hi there, any different between black cap and blue cap? Does any1 knows? Thanks

[meteor]

I bought a BS10 and only played once with it. I also own meteor x80 and comparatively found the the BS10 to be less stiff than MX80, in fact much less...

Has anyone elucidated the mistery of different spec MS10 made for different regions?

Mine has "sword" written on the frame instead of "bravesword", it says Taiwan on the handle cap (which is blue), and the serial is: DEH8296367
...and i bought it in UK.

[Maklike Tier]

The EU ones are stiffer than the Asian ones, apparently, but nobody I know has both the verify on the court.

I think in terms of real stiffness the MX80 and BS10 are similar, is just that the MX80 has more head stability and a much less damped feel adding to the overall stiff and springy feel in the hand. The actual shaft stiffness I reckon is the same.The newer BS' feel a little more rounded, but I think that's largely due to the extra layer of clearcoat now over all the decals. Side-by-side with the older BS' theres no discernable difference in design.

[meteor]

The EU ones are stiffer than the Asian ones, apparently, but nobody I know has both the verify on the court.

I think in terms of real stiffness the MX80 and BS10 are similar, is just that the MX80 has more head stability and a much less damped feel adding to the overall stiff and springy feel in the hand. The actual shaft stiffness I reckon is the same.The newer BS' feel a little more rounded, but I think that's largely due to the extra layer of clearcoat now over all the decals. Side-by-side with the older BS' theres no discernable difference in design.

I just regripped all my rackets with two layers of Yonex Super Grap AC102 on top of the original grip and re-checked the balance point accurately.

VOLTIRC 80 (3u) - 289mm
MX80 - 288mm
BS10 - 287mm!!!

Weight:
VT80 - 104.4g
MX80 - 99.7g
BS10 - 102.1g

Same grips, almost same BP?!

[visor]

I just regripped all my rackets with two layers of Yonex Super Grap AC102 on top of the original grip and re-checked the balance point accurately.

VOLTIRC 80 (3u) - 289mm
MX80 - 288mm
BS10 - 287mm!!!

Weight:
VT80 - 104.4g
MX80 - 99.7g
BS10 - 102.1g

Same grips, almost same BP?!no way vt80's bp is that low, and so similar to mx80 and bs10

[LD rules!]

How could anyone ever need a grip so big? Original grip + TWO supergraps!

[Maklike Tier]

I just regripped all my rackets with two layers of Yonex Super Grap AC102 on top of the original grip and re-checked the balance point accurately.

VOLTIRC 80 (3u) - 289mm
MX80 - 288mm
BS10 - 287mm!!!

Weight:
VT80 - 104.4g
MX80 - 99.7g
BS10 - 102.1g

Same grips, almost same BP?!

Hrm. Well, the heaviest Braveswords I've had (net) have been 98g, so add an ANOTHER overgrip to it and you're adding about 6g to the handle which is why you're messing up the balance point so much. If you added 6g to the head, the BP's would be outrageous, so you're just doing the opposite. :)

A better solution for you, is to take the factory grip off, and build the thickness up using a replacement grip.

For example.......

Factory grip 6g + overgrip 6-8g x2 = 18g approx.
Remove factory grip -6g + RKEP Ultimate uncut 14g = 8g approx.


Et viola, you now have a fat grip like you like, and BP's are back to how they should be.

FYI BS10 and MX80 should be about 295, VT80 somewhere over 305 IIRC.

[meteor]

Hrm. Well, the heaviest Braveswords I've had (net) have been 98g, so add an ANOTHER overgrip to it and you're adding about 6g to the handle which is why you're messing up the balance point so much. If you added 6g to the head, the BP's would be outrageous, so you're just doing the opposite. :)

A better solution for you, is to take the factory grip off, and build the thickness up using a replacement grip.

For example.......

Factory grip 6g + overgrip 6-8g x2 = 18g approx.
Remove factory grip -6g + RKEP Ultimate uncut 14g = 8g approx.


Et viola, you now have a fat grip like you like, and BP's are back to how they should be.

FYI BS10 and MX80 should be about 295, VT80 somewhere over 305 IIRC.

Thanks, definitely need to make sure the balance doesn't change to stupid values.

Removing one grap bp changes to 300mm for both mx and bs10. Resulting size however is too thin for me. Yonex g3 is small but victor g3 is for children.
On a wilson g3 for example, one added grap makes the perfect size for my hand - but that's much bigger than victor plus one grap.

I changed the original grip on the mx with a karakal super pu (1.8mm, 15g) and the resulting thickness and BP with one grap was exactly the same as with the original grip!
I had to cut the karakal strip below the cone of course, revoving almost half of it.
Then tried a yonex PU and resulting thickness is again the same while BP is down to 293mm from 300mm, because yonex PU is heavier but no thicker.
I'll try to find a thicker replacement grip, we don't have RKEP in UK... :) The other solution would be to overlap the replacement grip but that creates ripples that I dislike.

This BS10 balance is definitely head heavy 300mm - good! (to stay on topic)

[Maklike Tier]

The idea is to overlap the PU Super to get a desired thickness and feel. If you're only using half the length, you're doing it wrong. Ripples are good :)

The RKEP Ultimate is tapered in cross section, so the ripple effect is very mild. It's also fairly stretchy, so you can change the thickness by putting it on tighter or looser. Search for 'RKEP' on eBay.

[amaranth]

Hi, has anyone here made performance (and specification) comparison between BRS-10 gen-1 (the one that has "bravesword" label on its frame) vs. gen-2 ("sword" labeled on its frame)?

I'm sorry if this is a have-been-asked question. I'd like to get myself another BRS-10 gen-1 (new). But the only available new BRS-10 in my area is the 2nd generation.

Thanks,

[dexter980]

Hi guys,

I currently have BS 10 ( labelled brave sword and TW coded) and is 100% satisfied with it. I am contemplating to get a spare from sohubuy. I was showed that the HK coded stiffness is 5 out of 5 whilst the one I own now is closer to medium stiffness. I am wondering if Victor actually re-label/re-scale the presentation but the stiffness is actually the same.

Does anyone here has the experience to confirm that the new BS10 (sword label and HK coded) is actually stiffer than what i have now ( brave sword label and TW coded)

What I am seeking is the same playbility . Taking into account of the (brave sword vs sword ) issue, should i go for

BS 10 TW coded (Sword label)
or
BS 11 HK coded (Sword label)

Hopefully someone can answer this.