They are now in determined form. The 2009 French Open title will go to them.

MK/HS will lose to the Japaneses in the 1st round.

Boleh~ :)

They are now in determined form. The 2009 French Open title will go to them.

MK/HS will lose to the Japaneses in the 1st round.

Boleh~ :)

Yup, could be! According to WBF website (http://www.internationalbadminton.org/news_item.aspx?id=27355), Markis Kido had been seen limping out of the stadium after their qurter final match in Denmark Open, wondering when he will be fully recovered from his injury:confused:

what happen to kido btw?

Kido has great fighting spirit and a great partner, Hendra Setiawan. And Hendra, like Park Joo Bong a good 2.5 decades ago, can still win a match or a title while playing with an injured partner.

Even with Kido's limp, this year they won Japan SS and Korea Asian Championships, runnerup in S'pore SS and and advanced up to semifinals in a few other tournaments. No other pair in the current top 5 can do what they did, so far.

They are now in determined form. The 2009 French Open title will go to them.

MK/HS will lose to the Japaneses in the 1st round.

Boleh~ :)
- So, KKK & TBH's Denmark Open SS title really impressed you so much, eh??
- I'll wait for badMania to have his say on the fate of his fave MD pair.
:cool:

I think, kkk/tbh will win when you least expected them to.

And chris, i see you as a good predictor too. What say you?

..predict about what???..predict that Taufik will not win any SS title this yr???..:confused::p

- So, KKK & TBH's Denmark Open SS title really impressed you so much, eh??


I predicted it by their livescore graphs, FYI.

:)

..predict about what???..predict that Taufik will not win any SS title this yr???..:confused::p

Don't worry. Taufik will advance to the Final and, if he's lucky, may get his first SS title this year.

:)

I predicted it by their livescore graphs, FYI.

:)

Hey narnia, try predicting HH's graph. Bet u couldnt becos it is yo yo-ing so much, rite? :D

Kido has great fighting spirit and a great partner, Hendra Setiawan. And Hendra, like Park Joo Bong a good 2.5 decades ago, can still win a match or a title while playing with an injured partner.

Even with Kido's limp, this year they won Japan SS and Korea Asian Championships, runnerup in S'pore SS and and advanced up to semifinals in a few other tournaments. No other pair in the current top 5 can do what they did, so far.

As always, wise words from our abedeng. He's among one of the few who watch the matches live most of the times to be able to draw his conclusion. There's nothing more I will add :)

Hey narnia, try predicting HH's graph. Bet u couldnt becos it is yo yo-ing so much, rite? :D

Sorry, he's never on my list.

:)

Kido has great fighting spirit and a great partner, Hendra Setiawan. And Hendra, like Park Joo Bong a good 2.5 decades ago, can still win a match or a title while playing with an injured partner.


To add a little bit, it's even considered a miracle that Markis Kido can still play badminton, despite his various setbacks this year. Not to mention add the Japan SS title to their trophy cabinet.

At the moment, they have won ALL the 6 SS held in the second half of the year (Japan, China Masters, Denmark, French, Hong Kong, China). They are only lacking the Korea, All-England, Swiss, and Singapore SS titles (having come close as runner-up in the last two).

Kido has great fighting spirit and a great partner, Hendra Setiawan. And Hendra, like Park Joo Bong a good 2.5 decades ago, can still win a match or a title while playing with an injured partner.

Even with Kido's limp, this year they won Japan SS and Korea Asian Championships, runnerup in S'pore SS and and advanced up to semifinals in a few other tournaments. No other pair in the current top 5 can do what they did, so far.

FYI, PJB was never successful w/o KMS and Kindra never won the title in the tournaments where JJS/LYD participated since 2008. They have poor records against the top 3 MD teams: JJS/LYD, FHF/CY, and KKK/TBH. In sum, recently, they can only win any title only when they could luckily escape from fighting against one of the three. That's all due to Kido's knee injury.

Reference: http://bwf.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&player=104
(Just check for whom they have won and lost to.)

:)

FYI, PJB was never successful w/o KMS and Kindra never won the title in the tournaments where JJS/LYD participated since 2008. They have poor records against the top 3 MD teams: JJS/LYD, FHF/CY, and KKK/TBH. In sum, recently, they can only win any title only when they could luckily escape from fighting against one of the three. That's all due to Kido's knee injury.

:)

I believe MK/HS do not really have problem to beat FHF/CY, the olympic final, Hong Kong SS semifinal 2007 has proven it. Against KKK/TBH, they managed to win on their 3 last encounters, they managed to win these matches (French SS 2008 and Olympic quarter final), only in the latest encounter KKK/TBH managed to beat MK/HS, thanks to MK's injury (SS finals in Malaysia). Pls correct me if I'm wrong:D

kido got his olympic medal when kkk/tbh cy/fhf lyd/jjs join this tournament..kido beat kkk/tbh in quaterfinal..beat cy/fhf in final..
think that u should be more objective when giving comment

I believe MK/HS do not really have problem to beat FHF/CY, the olympic final, Hong Kong SS semifinal 2007 has proven it. Against KKK/TBH they on their 3 last encounters they managed to win the matches (French SS 2008 and Olympic quarter final), only in the latest encounter KKK/TBH managed to beat MK/HS, thanks to MK's injury (SS finals in Malaysia). Pls correct me if I'm wrong:D

Right, that's all for their wins; except those a few, they all lost to the top three. Otherwise we should recall the old records of 2 or 3 years ago.

:)

kido got his olympic medal when kkk/tbh cy/fhf lyd/jjs join this tournament..kido beat kkk/tbh in quaterfinal..beat cy/fhf in final..
think that u should be more objective when giving comment

Right, that's all for Kindra. except that, they all lost.

:)

Right, that's all for their wins; except those a few, they all lost to the top three. Otherwise we should recall the old records of 2 or 3 years ago.

:)
come on
first u say since 2008 and now u recall 2 or 3 years ago
3 years ago they just a new and young pair
2 years ago they got world champion beating lyd/jjs
malaysia player??world champion?olympic champion?? they just play and play dunno when they have to rest for the biggest tournament

come on
first u say since 2008 and now u recall 2 or 3 years ago
3 years ago they just a new and young pair
2 years ago they got world champion beating lyd/jjs
malaysia player??world champion?olympic champion?? they just play and play dunno when they have to rest for the biggest tournament
Yawn... :p
Worry not, perhaps our Korean friend here has nothing to do while waiting his/her favorite player fully recovered from his injury and compete again, thus creating this thread.:rolleyes:

They are now in determined form. The 2009 French Open title will go to them.

MK/HS will lose to the Japaneses in the 1st round.

Boleh~ :)

According to their current 'trend', KKK/TBH dont win 2 SS titles in a row, esp since KKK started playing XD again. The last time they did was 2007 AE & Swiss, when they were new pairing & KKK only played MD.

+ also according to trend, Msia doubles win Denmark then dont do so well in France - 2007, 2008 & maybe 2009 MD/WD won title in Denmark but not France.

+ Fu/Cai had time to recover from China national games, supposed to be fresh up for France.
:D;);)

MK/HS will lose to the Japaneses in the 1st round.


thank you for this prediction..

Markis KIDO [1] (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&player=104)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&c=INA) Hendra SETIAWAN (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&player=105)http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/INA.gif[INA] (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&c=INA) - http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/JPN.gif[JPN] (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&c=JPN)Kenta KAZUNO (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&player=122) http://static.tournamentsoftware.com/images/flags/JPN.gif[JPN] (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/matches.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&c=JPN) KENICHI HAYAKAWA (http://tournamentsoftware.com/sport/player.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&player=123) 21-16 21-11

They are now in determined form. The 2009 French Open title will go to them.

MK/HS will lose to the Japaneses in the 1st round.

Boleh~ :)
Ja, mein Herr.
Kenichi/Kenta boleh.
LYD/JJS also boleh.

Your next prediction, please?
Thank you, narnia. You brighten my day.:)

Right, that's all for Kindra. except that, they all lost.

:)
Enjoy your prediction..KINDRA won...:cool:..not even a close match
I predict that LYD/JJS will lose more by end of this year till next year except in Korea Open where all patrioctic linesmen will help them to win.....:D

There's no need to predict how Jung/Lee will fare :rolleyes:

I only know that they need to WIN ALL 3 SS titles from Hong Kong, China, and Malaysia if they want to have a chance of becoming no 1 again ;)

+ Fu/Cai had time to recover from China national games, supposed to be fresh up for France.
:D;);)

Oh....Fu/Cai withdrew :p

Enjoy your prediction..KINDRA won...:cool:..not even a close match
I predict that LYD/JJS will lose more by end of this year till next year except in Korea Open where all patrioctic linesmen will help them to win.....:D

Are you sure about that? Even with the help of all the linesmen in the Korea sub-continent, LYD/JJS still got dominated by Boe/Morgensen in the final. :p
I guess for Korean winning by cheating = patriotic things to do. ;)

Oh....Fu/Cai withdrew :p

LOL, I oudated, didnt check latest withdrawal list.:p

Anyway, your fav pair beat K & K straights sets my friend. They dont seem to have that much trouble with Japanese pairs. PJB havent see thru their game I suppose. ;)

Btw, next year, isnt Korea SS scheduled 1st before Msia? :D

I think Kido will be very determine to get to the final this time. Otherwise, where got enough money to buy his wife all the LV, Prada and Versace stuffs. :p

Congra to Kindra, survived the 1st threat from the Japaneses.

For more detailed discussion, please refer to the following stats;

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1283122&postcount=64

FYI, The six teams are the best in contemporary MD; all other MD teams' performance fall far short against the top 6 teams or they are new ones.

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MK/HS will lose to the Japaneses in the 1st round.
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I predicted it by their livescore graphs, FYI.

:)
..yeeesssssss?!?!?!..:confused::confused: :confused:
I hope your 1st prediction will come to fruition. If not, then i think we'll need to tell tournamentsoftware to get a new livescore stats software.:cool:
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Btw, next year, isnt Korea SS scheduled 1st before Msia? :D
..that's correct-a-mundo..
I think Kido will be very determine to get to the final this time. Otherwise, where got enough money to buy his wife all the LV, Prada and Versace stuffs. :p
..Kido is not married yet, only engaged; at least that's the last i know..

I believe MK/HS do not really have problem to beat FHF/CY, the olympic final, Hong Kong SS semifinal 2007 has proven it.
This is not exactly true. Before the 08 Olympics, MK/HS won 3 times against CY/FHF, and lost 3 times. So it was a 50/50 chance. Only because they won over Fu/Cai in the Olympics, it gave people the impression that they can always beat Fu/Cai with no problem.

Congra to Kindra, survived the 1st threat from the Japaneses.

For more detailed discussion, please refer to the following stats;

http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1283122&postcount=64

FYI, The six teams are the best in contemporary MD; all other MD teams' performance fall far short against the top 6 teams or they are new ones.
Thats very entertaining and useless actually ( you should calculate the margin/percentage for BIG titles......I rather lose all but win big titles...like WC or Olympic..head to head is nothing...Kido/Hendra proved themselves TOUGH when they need to win big titles.....:D...enjoy your statistics...

Thats very entertaining and useless actually ( you should calculate the margin/percentage for BIG titles......I rather lose all but win big titles...like WC or Olympic..head to head is nothing...Kido/Hendra proved themselves TOUGH when they need to win big titles.....:D...enjoy your statistics...

Ask JJS and he probably will trade all that win for an OG medal...any medal!! ;)

I am not optimis about this,....KKK/TBH is a pair with 'winds' when we expecting something from them, no u wont get it.....So i dont think they could win the 2nd title in a row after Den Open.........

And Paris is a well know shopping paradise........kkk will just cant concentrate in his games in Paris........hehehehe

I am not optimis about this,....KKK/TBH is a pair with 'winds' when we expecting something from them, no u wont get it.....So i dont think they could win the 2nd title in a row after Den Open.........

And Paris is a well know shopping paradise........kkk will just cant concentrate in his games in Paris........hehehehe
relax...
this tournament not finish yet...
wait until final...

I am not optimis about this,....KKK/TBH is a pair with 'winds' when we expecting something from them, no u wont get it.....So i dont think they could win the 2nd title in a row after Den Open.........

And Paris is a well know shopping paradise........kkk will just cant concentrate in his games in Paris........hehehehe
Don't spoke too soon, jason..relax and calm down 1st..:D
and yeah, there are always ups and down for this pair. They keyword is CONSISTENCY:cool:

Very dangerous la.. to predict KKK/TBH...maybe they'll lose today..well..maybe not, maybe tomorrow, and this thread will be flooded with all sorts of...err..'comments'.

Very dangerous la.. to predict KKK/TBH...maybe they'll lose today..well..maybe not, maybe tomorrow, and this thread will be flooded with all sorts of...err..'comments'.

There is "medication" for such a "dangerous" condition .... it's called being largely neutral, enjoying the game, never put our fellow countrymen down if and when they lose, and don't get over-excited when they win.

There is "medication" for such a "dangerous" condition .... it's called being largely neutral, enjoying the game, never put our fellow countrymen down if and when they lose, and don't get over-excited when they win.
I like that "medication". am still in the learning process.:p:)

i juz hope that they will win... when they winning , its nice to watch , when losing... =.=""

There is "medication" for such a "dangerous" condition .... it's called being largely neutral, enjoying the game, never put our fellow countrymen down if and when they lose, and don't get over-excited when they win.
I love that too.

i juz hope that they will win... when they winning , its nice to watch , when losing... =.=""

Then obviously, you will need the "medication". :p

im enjoying the game... juz they are my favourite pair , when they lose... i will feel sad... TT_TT

im enjoying the game... juz they are my favourite pair , when they lose... i will feel sad... TT_TT
Owh, it's just good to know i'm not alone. *wink

yoyo partner ~ xD lets hope they will win this french open ~

Well, it's any indication, last week's MS & WS Denmark SS winners, Simon Santoso & Tine, have lost their matches. Let's see how far the other winners go ;)

Well, it's any indication, last week's MS & WS Denmark SS winners, Simon Santoso & Tine, have lost their matches. Let's see how far the other winners go ;)
You scared me la eagle. Let it be final first, ok? *wink

You scared me la eagle. Let it be final first, ok? *wink

You didnt see my post on 'trend' kah? :p If KKK play until Semi for XD & MD, high % he will lose both. KKK usually win MD if he has lost his XD match earlier rounds.

You didnt see my post on 'trend' kah? :p If KKK play until Semi for XD & MD, high % he will lose both. KKK usually win MD if he has lost his XD match earlier rounds.
I did, earlier. hehe
French Open, i hope would be the odd one. Possible?

no matter what ~ i juz hope they can play well in this tournament...

or else we will be brand as syiok sendiri..:cool::cool::cool:

They have to face Clark/Rob today, hard to predict !!
Hard match for KKK in XD against China's Tao/Zhang..

if KKK and WPT perform well , it should wont be problem facing tao/zhang

I did, earlier. hehe
French Open, i hope would be the odd one. Possible?

Most probably KKK/TBH will face Boe/Morgenson in Semis. If KKK also plays XD in Semis, tough, as Boe/Morgenson will be looking for revenge from their Denmark finals lost. KKK will have to focus more on his MD, exert himself less in XD. ;)
That's why lor, I said trend is.......

He will loose his XD match today, won't he ?
The chinese are seeded and Zhang Yawen is a very good player ( i've never heard of Jiaming Tao :/ )

He will loose his XD match today, won't he ?
The chinese are seeded and Zhang Yawen is a very good player ( i've never heard of Jiaming Tao :/ )

wow, you know what, among the 4 players in the match, the 3 "famous" players KKK, WPT, ZYW have not won any super series title yet this year. in fact, KKK and WPT have never won super series title or 5 star open tilte yet in their whole life.

And the guy you never heard of, Tao JM, actually won the China master super series title. He won it with partner Wang Xiaoli.

I don't think TJM/ZYW is better than TJM/WXL. but China coaches always exercise their power by forcing players switching their partners.

wow, you know what, among the 4 players in the match, the 3 "famous" players KKK, WPT, ZYW have not won any super series title yet this year. in fact, KKK and WPT have never won super series title or 5 star open tilte yet in their whole life.


Are u referring to SS title in XD only? Remember that Koo/Wong only partner occasionally in XD and yet they still manage to win a World Championships Bronze Medal in 2006 :cool:

Both Koo and Wong have won a couple of SS titles in MD and WD respectively.

Are u referring to SS title in XD only? Remember that Koo/Wong only partner occasionally in XD and yet they still manage to win a World Championships Bronze Medal in 2006 :cool:

Both Koo and Wong have won a couple of SS titles in MD and WD respectively.

you are right, I was talking about the XD only. becuase the original poster was talking about the XD between KKK/WPT vs TJM/ZYW.

there's nothing to do with the MD and WD, we all know KKK is strong in MD and WPT was the #1 in WD.

Anyhow, KKK/WPT have played together for quite long, and played a lot even they partner occasionally. For TJM and ZYW, they just began to play together a week ago.

Therefore, I was comparing their XD records individually, not for the 2 pairs. The fact is that KKK has not won XD with anyone else. Nor has WPT. ZYW hasn't won any in the past year either. Only TJM did won a super series.

I just realized that not many people have won the XD super series. If we count from the all England open this year, here are the winners:

All england: ...He HB/Yu Yang
Swiss: ..........Zheng Bo/Ma Jin
Singapore: ....Zheng Bo/Ma Jin
Indonesia: .....Zheng Bo/Ma Jin
China Master: Tao Jiaming/Wang Xiaoli
Japan: ..........Songphon A/Kunchala V
Denmark: ......Joachim Nielsen/Christinna Pedersen

The XD is the most unpredictable event, except there have been some Zheng Bo dominating era (either with Zhang Jiewen, Zhao Tingting, Gao Ling or Ma Jin). Zheng Bo used to win a lot continuously and then suddenly collapsed at some point.

you are right, I was talking about the XD only. becuase the original poster was talking about the XD between KKK/WPT vs TJM/ZYW.

.

Yeah, the thing is, other than China fans, many will not be familiar with Tao, myself included. As many also are not familiar with some Msian players like Chan Peng Soon/Lim Khim Wah, Mohd Lufti/Lim Yin Loo. :p

I think Thom_bad was just replying my post. I have watched how KKK play XD with NHL (he did not partner WPT for a long, long time). KKK does not seem to go all out in XD as compared to MD, which leads many of us to conclude he conserve energy for MD. + KKK wins MD titles when he doesnt play XD at all or lose earlier stages ;)
KKK just started re-partner WPT again during Denmark SS, for good. NHL re-partnered with her WJC partner LKW.
Sudirman CUp KKK/WPT partnership was ..... temporary, supposed that time KKK partner NHL.

And all of this is part of analysis that our narnia started on whether KKK/TBH can 2 SS titles in a row for this edition.:D:D

You didnt see my post on 'trend' kah? :p If KKK play until Semi for XD & MD, high % he will lose both. KKK usually win MD if he has lost his XD match earlier rounds.
kak eagle,now that KKK lost XD in QF. so.....which 'trend' will it follow? :p

kak eagle,now that KKK lost XD in QF. so.....which 'trend' will it follow? :pi thot u r busy:D:p

i thot u r busy:D:p
you are quite sharp at hunting people, eh?:D

i thot u r busy:D:p
:DLearning from u....busy but still following bc to relieve stress..LOL

kak eagle,now that KKK lost XD in QF. so.....which 'trend' will it follow? :p

Haiseh, you didnt read my other post kah? KKK/TBH havent won 2 SS titles in a row since 2007 leh. So, according to trend, ..... hard, semi or finals maybe can reach.
Plus, last week's MS & WS winner also out already. Today, % quite high the XD & WD Denmark winners also out. So..... :p

Haiseh, you didnt read my other post kah? KKK/TBH havent won 2 SS titles in a row since 2007 leh. So, according to trend, ..... hard, semi or finals maybe can reach.
Plus, last week's MS & WS winner also out already. Today, % quite high the XD & WD Denmark winners also out. So..... :p
oo..ok..I got it.:D

Haiseh, you didnt read my other post kah? KKK/TBH havent won 2 SS titles in a row since 2007 leh. So, according to trend, ..... hard, semi or finals maybe can reach.
Plus, last week's MS & WS winner also out already. Today, % quite high the XD & WD Denmark winners also out. So..... :p
haha, if that's the case eh, may be i shud give up to stay up for French Open and take care of my farmville only. time to harvest, got money, and i'm happy.

you are quite sharp at hunting people, eh?:Dno no, i don't hunt people. Spidey sense tells me so:D

..our narnia must be praying on his hands and knees, and perhaps sweating bullets, hoping KKK & TBH will not disappoint his prediction..

oo..ok..I got it.:D

haha, if that's the case eh, may be i shud give up to stay up for French Open and take care of my farmville only. time to harvest, got money, and i'm happy.

And true enough, 2009 Denmark XD champ & WD champs already lost. Left only KKK/TBH. Today, it's Denmark champ vs runner-up. ;)

Noooo Koo_fan, even narnia not KKK/TBH fan also so optimistic, you pray hard2.:D:D. Me & others, busy with WJC, there more kan cheong.

After reviewed Danmarck Open MD Fianl just now.......i think its really close between lost and win in that match,...so i am not so optimistic for kkk/tbh to win over mb/morgensen again in today SF....

And true enough, 2009 Denmark XD champ & WD champs already lost. Left only KKK/TBH. Today, it's Denmark champ vs runner-up. ;)

Noooo Koo_fan, even narnia not KKK/TBH fan also so optimistic, you pray hard2.:D:D. Me & others, busy with WJC, there more kan cheong.
Ah yes, i need to check Mr. Narnia's track record.

But, i still think my farm deserve my concern more. :p

Ah yes, i need to check Mr. Narnia's track record.

But, i still think my farm deserve my concern more. :p

dont do those meaningful thingy:p
u need to concern about mas player more/ur supporting player than those farm:cool::p

After reviewed Danmarck Open MD Fianl just now.......i think its really close between lost and win in that match,...so i am not so optimistic for kkk/tbh to win over mb/morgensen again in today SF....

You should have noticed the "fears" on the Danes' faces against KKK/TBH. In Denmark, that's the best they could do. In France, the Danes were absolutely dominated. I like TBH's smiles on court.

Enjoy~:)

..MAS' MDs usually do well against the DEN's MDs, anywhere they play...it's not a surprise, actually..
On the other hand, MAS' MDs usually have a "Deer in Headlights" look when facing other pairs, esp. from JPN, CHN..

..MAS' MDs usually do well against the DEN's MDs, anywhere they play...it's not a surprise, actually..
On the other hand, MAS' MDs usually have a "Deer in Headlights" look when facing other pairs, esp. from JPN, CHN..

japan,england and korea pair
china pair?i not sure about it:)

Kido seems having no problem with his knee injury, at least in Europe. The INA got a number of smash winners in the previous games.

INAns say: it was due to Kido's fighting spirit if they win, or due to Kido's injuries if they lose. Yeah, quite reasonable.

Enjoy~:)

japan,england and korea pair
china pair?i not sure about it:)
..but KKK & TBH lost to FuHF & CY twice this yr (INA Open and Sudirman Cup). KKK & TBH's only win vs. CHC & CY was in this yr's Swiss Open SS.
But overall, as a squad, MAS' MDs tend to dominate DEN's MDs and struggle against the other top MDs.

Btw, tomorrow's MD Final will be a rematch from last yr's French Open SS, which Kido & Setiawan won in 3 exciting games....should be an interesting Final:cool:
Kido seems having no problem with his knee injury, at least in Europe. The INA got a number of smash winners in the previous games.

INAns say: it was due to Kido's fighting spirit if they win, or due to Kido's injuries if they lose. Yeah, quite reasonable.

Enjoy~:)
..it's partly the opponents. Kido & Setiawan tend to not have much problems against any other Asian pairs but tend to struggle vs. European pairs and of course against your numero uno, ichiban, na-eh il bun pair JJS & LYD..;)

INAns say: it was due to Kido's fighting spirit if they win, or due to Kido's injuries if they lose. Yeah, quite reasonable.

Enjoy~:)

Heh, matches hasn't begun yet, but our resident dominating/dominated/dominator predictor is already busy making up excuses and dissing other. :rolleyes:

yes !!! KKK & THB overcome the Dane's and won the Semi's , they will be facing kido and setiawan tomolo , hope KKK & TBH can keep it going !!!!

Kido seems having no problem with his knee injury, at least in Europe. The INA got a number of smash winners in the previous games.

INAns say: it was due to Kido's fighting spirit if they win, or due to Kido's injuries if they lose. Yeah, quite reasonable.

Enjoy~:)
Well you see, sometimes we need excuses to make us feel better.
Say, just like LYD, we'll say, it's thanks to his fast learning & style mastery when he & his partner win, or sometimes... weak mentality or his arm pain when he lost.

Enjoy~:)

Heh, matches hasn't begun yet, but our resident dominating/dominated/dominator predictor is already busy making up excuses and dissing other. :rolleyes:
Which makes me wonder, has he found any excuse about LYD/LHJ's spectacular H-2-H record of 0-5 against ZB/MJ?:p

Well you see, sometimes we need excuses to make us feel better.
Say, just like LYD, we'll say, it's thanks to his fast learning & style mastery when he & his partner win, or sometimes... weak mentality or his arm pain when he lost.

Enjoy~:)


Which makes me wonder, has he found any excuse about LYD/LHJ's spectacular H-2-H record of 0-5 against ZB/MJ?:p

LOL...I seriously ENJOY this thread :D
Enjoying~:):D

Heh, matches hasn't begun yet, but our resident dominating/dominated/dominator predictor is already busy making up excuses and dissing other. :rolleyes:
Hiyaaa, that's only cos his fav pair not around, what to do. If you've the other posts, even KKK's die hard fan also not confident they can win France, narnia more confident than Msia fans, LOL:D

I'm curious to see if my theory on 'trend' continues or KKK/TBH will be the only 2009 Denmark champs to also win 2009 France title.

You should have noticed the "fears" on the Danes' faces against KKK/TBH. In Denmark, that's the best they could do. In France, the Danes were absolutely dominated. I like TBH's smiles on court.

Enjoy~:)
Wow, this time KKK/TBH must have impressed our narnia until he use the "dominate" word.:eek:

KKK/TBH, my favourite MD... although they are not very consistent in their performance, enjoy watch their games... hope they doing well this tournament...

they are just 1 step away from being the champion of the french open now..

narnia, voice out something now:D:D
come on..cheer for mas!:)

Hope the rain will not spoil my day.

WJC follow by FO then F1, what an entertaining night.

Hope to see KKK/TBH standing higher in the podium tonight.

KKK/TBH beat twice Boe/Mogensen, who in turn beat MK/HS in Denmark dominantly in two straight games. Look at the Livescore Graph.

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&match=1132#ctl00_ctl00_cphPage_cphPage_tblGame1

Enjoy~:)

Tralalalala-lalala-lalala~ :)

KKK/TBH beat twice Boe/Mogensen, who in turn beat MK/HS in Denmark dominantly in two straight games. Look at the Livescore Graph.

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&match=1132#ctl00_ctl00_cphPage_cphPage_tblGame1

Enjoy~:)
Now..you can enjoy....:D:D....LYD/JJS is going down hill......now KKK/TBH lost to MK/HS....now Kido/Hendra has 3 SS and 1 GP Gold..how many LYD/JJS has???...

KKK/TBH beat twice Boe/Mogensen, who in turn beat MK/HS in Denmark dominantly in two straight games. Look at the Livescore Graph.

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&match=1132#ctl00_ctl00_cphPage_cphPage_tblGame1

Enjoy~:)

statistic, graphs, etc my buttocks! lol!
enjoy! :D

KKK/TBH beat twice Boe/Mogensen, who in turn beat MK/HS in Denmark dominantly in two straight games. Look at the Livescore Graph.

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&match=1132#ctl00_ctl00_cphPage_cphPage_tblGame1

Enjoy~:)

hope u enjoyed it so much
EENNJJOOYY..;)
wkwkwkwkwk

But the DOMINATING Jung/Lee and the double World and AE Champions Fu/Cai were not competing here. So, the victory was kinda hollow though...sigh....:crying:

Prepare your kevlar vest, narnia. You'll need it.
Don't worry. I won't be shooting... much.

LOL...good thing that MK/HS won against KKK/TBH:cool: I can sense what will happen if they lost:D Let's just enjoy this moment:D Congrats to MK/HS!!

Prepare your kevlar vest, narnia. You'll need it.
Don't worry. I won't be shooting... much.


LMAO!
me neither...
well, maybe just bitch slap on your face...

hahahah, sorry....just firing up the thread:D

where is narnia now??
i think he/she is studying for his/her statistics exam 2morow:cool:

LMAO!
me neither...
well, maybe just bitch slap on your face...

hahahah, sorry....just firing up the thread:D

dude,chill!! not worth getting ban just because of it:eek:;)

MK/HS is extremeley impressive.
LYD/JJS have been going downhill in winning tournaments.

And thus, the 'trend' continues :p

almost 2 titles for KKK/TBH.. but this time MK/HS is better pair..

And thus, the 'trend' continues :p
haha, i'm gonna say it again. I hate that to happen.

dude,chill!! not worth getting ban just because of it:eek:;)

:D ok, i'm chilling now...sorry narnia!;)

the drama begin yet again
waiting the owner of this thread come out:p
anyway,i wont participate:p
go bath now,dont bait me with new post in other 2 thread ya,hehe:D

OMG...you must be dont know the benefit to study in statistics..
there are so many statictis's help in other fileds

for the match in badminton, i will say

you know that statictics can predict who will win in a game not decide the winner.
so many variable influence the probability someone will win or lost..
:mad:

statistic, graphs, etc my buttocks! lol!
enjoy! :D

where is narnia now??
i think he/she is studying for his/her statistics exam 2morow:cool:

KKK/TBH beat twice Boe/Mogensen, who in turn beat MK/HS in Denmark dominantly in two straight games. Look at the Livescore Graph.

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=DC4CD6A1-2500-4DC4-876C-1E2062DA09FD&match=1132#ctl00_ctl00_cphPage_cphPage_tblGame1

Enjoy~:)

Would someone please kindly post the Livescore Graph for today please?
Thanks :)

Enjoy too ~:)

1. As opening this thread, I predicted as follows;

They are now in determined form. The 2009 French Open title will go to them.

MK/HS will lose to the Japaneses in the 1st round.

Boleh~ :)


In reality, I saw Kido's "REVIVAL" in the Final. Congratulations to the INA duo.

In my prediction, MK/HS should have lost to JPN in the 1st round, that turned out to be wrong, which gave them a chance to fight against KKK/TBH.


2.
And, as I predicted in the other INAns' thread, Taufik advanced to the Final of French Open, but he was unlucky to meet LD in the Final. If LD was upset on the path to the final, Taufik would have won the title. Good job anyway!


Thanks a lot for your great interests in an individual's prediction here! I always like debates based on facts and stats. Win or Lose is nothing. Let's talk and analyze the real badminton anyway! I will keep cheering you guys up. :)


Now, let's move to HK this month. Actually, I don't think JJS/LYD will show good performance in the coming two SS because of their two months' break from the international tourneys due to LYD's rehabilitation on his arm. Maybe Semifinalist would be their best results.

Just ENJOY~:)

Would someone please kindly post the Livescore Graph for today please?
Thanks :)

Enjoy too ~:)

Oh, Here it is:

http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/sport/match.aspx?id=5348CDAD-55A6-4A65-B291-F28D50B709CE&match=183#ctl00_ctl00_cphPage_cphPage_tblGame1


Enjoy~:)

Patient everybody...:)

Good excuse!! just in case LYD/JJS does not win in up=coming SS series....

Now, let's move to HK this month. Actually, I don't think JJS/LYD will show good performance in the coming two SS because of their two months' break from the international tourneys due to LYD's rehabilitation on his arm. Maybe Semifinalist would be their best results.

Wonderful. Pre-emptive excuse. :)

Good excuse!! just in case LYD/JJS does not win in up=coming SS series....

I have the same thinking as well, now Narnia is the expert in the "excuses" field as well:D Good for your profile, Narnia,H2H, Stats,Dominating and now excuses!:rolleyes:

In my prediction, MK/HS should have lost to JPN in the 1st round, that turned out to be wrong, which gave them a chance to fight against KKK/TBH.

Now, let's move to HK this month. Actually, I don't think JJS/LYD will show good performance in the coming two SS because of their two months' break from the international tourneys due to LYD's rehabilitation on his arm. Maybe Semifinalist would be their best results.


SHOULD HAVE LOST??? The Japanese pair didn't even have a sniff of a chance that day....LOL....

Ouch....if their best results are going to be only SF, then, they will lose lots of ranking pts :mad:

I have the same thinking as well, now Narnia is the expert in the "excuses" field as well:D Good for your profile, Narnia,H2H, Stats,Dominating and now excuses!:rolleyes:
Last time, he or she said that LYD /JJS has the strongest mental thingy......hm...they lost in 1st Olympic..( that proves their mental is crap) and lost to final WC to China eventhough they had 5 match points....:D,,..still LYD/JJS has the highest points...:D

Wonderful. Pre-emptive excuse. :)

Thanks for the note.

My prediction is based on the previous case of 2006-2007, when LYD had long break from another injury on his fingers.

Enjoy~:)

Lets just wait and see till the following tourneys where all of Big Four compete
By that time we can update H2H stats
LOL :D:D:D

1. As opening this thread, I predicted as follows;




In reality, I saw Kido's "REVIVAL" in the Final. Congratulations to the INA duo.

In my prediction, MK/HS should have lost to JPN in the 1st round, that turned out to be wrong, which gave them a chance to fight against KKK/TBH.


2.
And, as I predicted in the other INAns' thread, Taufik advanced to the Final of French Open, but he was unlucky to meet LD in the Final. If LD was upset on the path to the final, Taufik would have won the title. Good job anyway!


Thanks a lot for your great interests in an individual's prediction here! I always like debates based on facts and stats. Win or Lose is nothing. Let's talk and analyze the real badminton anyway! I will keep cheering you guys up. :)


Now, let's move to HK this month. Actually, I don't think JJS/LYD will show good performance in the coming two SS because of their two months' break from the international tourneys due to LYD's rehabilitation on his arm. Maybe Semifinalist would be their best results.

Just ENJOY~:)

I heard that LYD paired with Cho and won National games.....
so LYD's arm should have been okay....if LYD's arm is not healed and still winning national games, then MD Korea must be very very bad....they could not beat ONE ARM player..:eek::eek:..

whatever you say about the thread starter, wrong prediction,..
but please dont blame statistics...

my major is statistics..:crying:

SHOULD HAVE LOST??? The Japanese pair didn't even have a sniff of a chance that day....LOL....

Ouch....if their best results are going to be only SF, then, they will lose lots of ranking pts :mad:

The JPN pair is a fast-growing team, having beaten KKK/TBH dominantly recently. I always go based on the previous outcomes.

Enjoy~:)

I heard that LYD paired with Cho and won National games.....
so LYD's arm should have been okay....if LYD's arm is not healed and still winning national games, then MD Korea must be very very bad....they could not beat ONE ARM player..:eek::eek:..

So LYD is not injured now, thks for the info:cool: hence, I can safely say that nothing could stop LYD/JJS to win the last 2 SS:rolleyes:

whatever you say about the thread starter, wrong prediction,..
but please dont blame statistics...

my major is statistics..:crying:
Can you make one so MK/HS looks good and make LYD/JJS like number 5 or 6 or 7...???:D:D..we can manipulate ways to show our Kindra as number 1..:D:D...make sure whoever losing 1st round get the lowest points...:p

relax
sometimes
excuse and reason is a very hard to differentiate thingy:p

I heard that LYD paired with Cho and won National games.....
so LYD's arm should have been okay....if LYD's arm is not healed and still winning national games, then MD Korea must be very very bad....they could not beat ONE ARM player..:eek::eek:..

Have you watched the games? If you saw the game quality you can't tell like that.

FYI, LYD had a bunch of tapping all around his arm, showing not good performance from my viewpoint of BWF international standards. He can't not play his 100% in confidence.

:)

The JPN pair is a fast-growing team, having beaten KKK/TBH dominantly recently. I always go based on the previous outcomes.

Enjoy~:)

many pair can beat koo/tan dominantly;)
remember the famous defeat to wr 76th pair that dato always say?:p

The JPN pair is a fast-growing team, having beaten KKK/TBH dominantly recently. I always go based on the previous outcomes.

Enjoy~:)

u cant make a prediction with that fact..
Kido/Setiawan are not KKK/TBH :mad:

you cant use your logic
if KKK/TBH win so many times againts MK/HS
and JPN pair win over KKK/TBH
conclusion : JPN pair will win over MK/HS

NOT VALID !!!!!!

u cant make a prediction with that fact..
Kido/Setiawan are not KKK/TBH :mad:

you cant use your logic
if KKK/TBH win so many times againts MK/HS
and JPN pair win over KKK/TBH
conclusion : JPN pair will win over MK/HS

NOT VALID !!!!!!

Well said Simonlovers, the real statistic expert:cool:

haha, i'm gonna say it again. I hate that to happen.

There're many variables to consider, just for 1 pair. Just our narnia not familiar with Msian players trends and the many variables connected to it.:p:D

whatever you say about the thread starter, wrong prediction,..
but please dont blame statistics...

my major is statistics..:crying:

Hahaha, stats shows "Consistency".

As MK/HS beat one team in the Top 6 and KKK/TBH also beat one team, their rankings will change just marginal.

:)

whatever you say about the thread starter, wrong prediction,..
but please dont blame statistics...

my major is statistics..:crying:

I know, that's why i asked your opinion back then :)
You show us good point, hope all can learn something from it :cool:

whatever you say about the thread starter, wrong prediction,..
but please dont blame statistics...

my major is statistics..:crying:

don't worry simonlovers.. i will not blame statistics, although i'm not statistician, but i do work using statistics (although not expert till now...maybe u should teach me..;)..)
but in this case, for example: he cant say only based on a few statistics results (like based on 2 previous results of 3K/TBH vs danes). i think u know better that to make it significant, will need more than a few references..;)

enjoy..;)

u cant make a prediction with that fact..
Kido/Setiawan are not KKK/TBH :mad:

you cant use your logic
if KKK/TBH win so many times againts MK/HS
and JPN pair win over KKK/TBH
conclusion : JPN pair will win over MK/HS

NOT VALID !!!!!!

Good point. I'm trying to say on stats, and stats cannot tell everything perfectly as you know. So, I gather as many info as I can. The missing point in this prediction was I didn't know how much Kido's knee has been healed. That was just okay.

:)

u cant make a prediction with that fact..
Kido/Setiawan are not KKK/TBH :mad:

you cant use your logic
if KKK/TBH win so many times againts MK/HS
and JPN pair win over KKK/TBH
conclusion : JPN pair will win over MK/HS

NOT VALID !!!!!!
Very well said.
More, this words come from a real statistician.
I have nothing more to say.
My shootings end here... Maybe. :p
*fingers crossed*

don't worry simonlovers.. i will not blame statistics, although i'm not statistician, but i do work using statistics (although not expert till now...maybe u should teach me..;)..)
but in this case, for example: he cant say only based on a few statistics results (like based on 2 previous results of 3K/TBH vs danes). i think u know better that to make it significant, will need more than a few references..;)

enjoy..;)

our prediction more valid if we get more informations..
Head to Head, ranking are some variables that can help us to predict who will win or not.
you can predict 100% correct if you have all informations(variables) which will influence the match...but, our knowledge and the fact are limited.
Only God have all information.

Good point. I'm trying to say on stats, and stats cannot tell everything perfectly as you know. So, I gather as many info as I can. The missing point in this prediction was I didn't know how much Kido's knee has been healed. That was just okay.

:)

Have you watched the games? If you saw the game quality you can't tell like that.

FYI, LYD had a bunch of tapping all around his arm, showing not good performance from my viewpoint of BWF international standards. He can't not play his 100% in confidence.

:)
Nope..based on what your say that Korea MDs are in bad shape then as they could not even beat the injured LYD especially with one arm......:(..if LYD is not fully recovered why Korea sends him to compete to next 2 SS??? this does not make sense then LYD will play 2 events, MD and XD....it is not logic....he should take a rest and recover his arms, IMO...he shsould not compete in highest level if he is still injured...

Enjoy!!

our prediction more valid if we get more informations..
Head to Head, ranking are some variables that can help us to predict who will win or not.
you can predict 100% correct if you have all informations(variables) which will influence the match...but, our knowledge and the fact are limited.
Only God have all information.

For this French Open, actually my prediction was correct in two major things;

1. KKK/TBH advanced to the Final to get a chance of winning the title.

2. Taufik advanced to the Final as I predicted.

Enjoy~:)

Nope..based on what your say that Korea MDs are in bad shape then as they could not even beat the injured LYD especially with one arm......:(..if LYD is not fully recovered why Korea sends him to compete to next 2 SS??? this does not make sense then LYD will play 2 events, MD and XD....it is not logic....he should take a rest and recover his arms, IMO...he shsould not compete in highest level if he is still injured...

Enjoy!!

Errr....who exactly are the KOR MDs besides LYD/JJS??? That's pretty much the entire KOR MD squad and that would explain why the rest of KOR MD pairs can't beat a one armed LYD. :p

Nope..based on what your say that Korea MDs are in bad shape then as they could not even beat the injured LYD especially with one arm......:(..if LYD is not fully recovered why Korea sends him to compete to next 2 SS??? this does not make sense then LYD will play 2 events, MD and XD....it is not logic....he should take a rest and recover his arms, IMO...he shsould not compete in highest level if he is still injured...

Enjoy!!

I didn't say his arm is not fully recovered. I talked about his playing quality now. He did have a quite long break and did not have much time for practice, not even partnering with JJS. Especially what I concern is that he has been off from the international games, that's the essential for the "top" players.

Enjoy~:)

Errr....who exactly are the KOR MDs besides LYD/JJS??? That's pretty much the entire KOR MD squad and that would explain why the rest of KOR MD pairs can't beat a one armed LYD. :p

Yeah, right in part. But the teams in this Tourney were not the same as you saw in the international games, they played representing their own home towns. LYD/Cho GW is a quite old partnership from their elementary school days, i.e., in the same home town, up to now in Samsung Squad. They deserve the title as the World Junior Champ.

:)

Good point. I'm trying to say on stats, and stats cannot tell everything perfectly as you know. So, I gather as many info as I can. The missing point in this prediction was I didn't know how much Kido's knee has been healed. That was just okay.

:)

actually
u only lack of one thing
match watching of All the pair;)

Good point. I'm trying to say on stats, and stats cannot tell everything perfectly as you know. So, I gather as many info as I can. The missing point in this prediction was I didn't know how much Kido's knee has been healed. That was just okay.

:)
Ow.. so this is the thread ;)
Anyway, I think the biggest mistake is to predict MK/HS to lose from JAP pairs based on only that they dominated KKK/TBH and stats told us that KKK/TBH dominate MK/HS.
MK/HS reach SF in Denmark open, it should tell you enough about Kido condition. Their result against Boe/Mogensen is nothing really much to do with injury IMHO. He's fit although may not be 100%.
But, predicting relatively unknown JAP pairs (and no stats against MK/HS) to dominate MK/HS is BIG ZERO to statistic. You can't use other players statistic to predict another.
The rest of your prediction is ok.

Ow.. so this is the thread ;)
Anyway, I think the biggest mistake is to predict MK/HS to lose from JAP pairs based on only that they dominated KKK/TBH and stats told us that KKK/TBH dominate MK/HS.
MK/HS reach SF in Denmark open, it should tell you enough about Kido condition. Their result against Boe/Mogensen is nothing really much to do with injury IMHO. He's fit although may not be 100%.
But, predicting relatively unknown JAP pairs (and no stats against MK/HS) to dominate MK/HS is BIG ZERO to statistic. You can't use other players statistic to predict another.
The rest of your prediction is ok.

Right, thanks for your note based on some facts. But I suspect you're missing something about my prediction; please read my other messages here.

Stats is Stats; it can't tell 100% as you know well. MK/HS can beat another top team even with just 1% of winning percentage.

But Stats is useful because at least it says about "consistency."

Enjoy~:)

Right, thanks for your note based on some facts. But I suspect you're missing something about my prediction; please read my other messages here.

Stats is Stats; it can't tell 100% as you know well. MK/HS can beat another top team even with just 1% of winning percentage.

But Stats is useful because at least it says about "consistency."

Enjoy~:)
Ok..
If we didn't have adequate variables to predict based on H2H stats, I think achievement and world rank large differences could be used to predict.
I didn't say stats is not useful ya, but I'm sure we don't have stats between Jap pairs and MK/HS to use as prediction base.
MK/HS also have good consistency especially against much lower rank. No need to calculate stats, their rank and achievement is enough.
That's all. I am not against you on other prediction so I will only focus on this one. Like I said before, the rest is ok for me.

Ok..
If we didn't have adequate variables to predict based on H2H stats, I think achievement and world rank large differences could be used to predict.
I didn't say stats is not useful ya, but I'm sure we don't have stats between Jap pairs and MK/HS to use as prediction base.
MK/HS also have good consistency especially against much lower rank. No need to calculate stats, their rank and achievement is enough.
That's all. I am not against you on other prediction so I will only focus on this one. Like I said before, the rest is ok for me.

Right, I admit the case was quite outrageous, but it happens occasionally and the JPN team having been trained by PJB has shown tremendous performance recently. In fact, I did not have info about Kido's knee recovery and I saw the INA team lost to Boe/Mogensen in two straight games, which is unusual as many know, that made me guess Kido was not good yet. However, it was wrong, Kido totally "Revived" as I wrote before.

Anyway Koo/Tan showed very good performance in these two consecutive SS in Europe.

Enjoy~:)

p.s. if you cannot find any direct link between the variables, in stats, you can set up some mediators between them, maybe you know it. That's the logic, which fails to give, sometimes, good fit in sports games as you know.

I'm not a statistician. Actually I'm emphasizing more on the recent performance or play quality they are showing. :)

Wow, great discussion :rolleyes:
A lil' OOT
@naistav:
You should using JPN, Japanese or Nippon instead of Jap
(Hehehe i learned through my own experience) LOL :D:D

u cant believe 100% on statistic
video is the best material for u to do the prediction;)

u cant believe 100% on statistic
video is the best material for u to do the prediction;)

That's right. So, I have watched most of the videos esp. for the top players. Actually I analyze a single video repeatedly in slow motion. It also really helped improve my playing skills.

:)

p.s. have you watched LCW's slow motion on Youtube? That's my work.

That's right. So, I have watched most of the videos esp. for the top players. Actually I analyze a single video repeatedly in slow motion. It also really helped improve my playing skills.

:)

p.s. have you watched LCW's slow motion on Youtube? That's my work.

not only top player
u need to pay attention on those potential dark horse also;)

nope i didnt
i play badminton,i dont TRAIN badminton like george
what why i just can improve abit after some time

Yeah, right in part. But the teams in this Tourney were not the same as you saw in the international games, they played representing their own home towns. LYD/Cho GW is a quite old partnership from their elementary school days, i.e., in the same home town, up to now in Samsung Squad. They deserve the title as the World Junior Champ.

:)

Please...besides LYD/JJS...who else does the korean have since LJJ has retired? You can make up excuses about the pair is not the normal pairing, but stats (your favorite subject) will also shown that:
1) Only 1 KOR pair in the top 10 (other badminton powerhouse has 2, closest KOR pair is ranked 17th.
2) Only one other KOR pair besides LYD/JJS ever reach the final of any GP event this year....and that tourney is being played in the Korean home court, with their famously blatant liars being seated as line judges.

Wow, great discussion :rolleyes:
A lil' OOT
@naistav:
You should using JPN, Japanese or Nippon instead of Jap
(Hehehe i learned through my own experience) LOL :D:D
Oops.. my mistake.
Thanks whach_d_net :D

..should Kido & Setiawan win vs. KKK & TBH, that narnia's thread will be flooded...and BAM!..;)
...
The rest of your prediction is ok.
..with his predictions based simply from tournamentsoftware.com stats graph machine, there's no wonder why narnia is probably now scratching his head, smiling a bit & his face probably turning a bit pink..(thank goodness we're all typing and being unanimous behind the computer screen/keyboard), eh??..
Btw, his predictions went haywire...starting in the 1st round..;)
...In fact, I did not have info about Kido's knee recovery and I saw the INA team lost to Boe/Mogensen in two straight games, which is unusual as many know, that made me guess Kido was not good yet.
...
..This yr, i believe they're 1-2 vs. top European pairs. And they did lose to Boe & Mogensen in last yr's Copenhagen Masters.
So, it's not really unusual they've struggled against top European pairs, esp. counting their past encounters in European tourneys.
As for Kido & Setiawan's head to head record vs. KKK & TBH, i believe it is basically even steven. IMO, last night's encounter could've gone either way.
For this French Open, actually my prediction was correct in two major things;

1. KKK/TBH advanced to the Final to get a chance of winning the title.

2. Taufik advanced to the Final as I predicted.

Enjoy~:)
..hmm, where did you predict Taufik would advance to the Final?? mind showing us your post?..
All i recall is, based on your 1st post in this thread, you predicted KKK & TBH to romp all the way to their 2nd European SS title and Kido & Setiawan to disappear into Paris' tempting night life after the 1st round..

p.s. if you cannot find any direct link between the variables, in stats, you can set up some mediators between them, maybe you know it. That's the logic, which fails to give, sometimes, good fit in sports games as you know.

I'm not a statistician. Actually I'm emphasizing more on the recent performance or play quality they are showing. :)

I think MB/CM is a good pair. Lose twice to KKK/TBH in three-setter game doesn't make you a bad pair. MK/HS were oftenly find it difficult to defeat DEN's pair or even other European' MD like NR/AC. And MB/CM also 3rd seeded, I could say that MB/CM is one of callenger to current top MD.
MK/HS were not too bad when MB/CM beat them in Denmark. Reach SF in Denmark and lose to a good pair, is not a valid reason to judge recent performance or play quality is bad enough to make them predicted to be defeated by much lower rank JPN MD.

I don't know about mediators in statistic, maybe simonlovers could help on this one? Perhaps recent performance, play quality? But that doesn't lead us to predict MK/HS to lose to much lower rank in FO at first round at all :D:D. But hey, do you have statistic of MK/HS losing to much lower rank? They're not yoyo kind of like HH, or even TH.
To all, I'm not to heat the discussion, prediction may sometime wrong. But I think it's much better if we could enforce a valid ground of prediction.

I consider the MK/HS, CY/FHF, LYD/JJS and KKK/TBH as the top MD pair in the world. MB/CM is about half a step behind them, but make no mistake, the danes are very good pair.

Can't recall the last time when MK/HS lost to a much lower pair....they lost to the TPE pair in KO 2009, but at that time Kido was practically playing while hobbled by injury.... The same injury that caused him to get pummelled by KKK/TBH in HO 2008 and probably still affecting him in Copenhage master 08.

Other than injury, MK/HS doesn't have a history of getting surprised/beat by lower pair. The only other time that I can recall is their 1st round exist in AE 2008, but the JPN pair that beat at them is in the top 10 or very close to it as well.....
Probably have to go back to sometime in 2007 to see if that did happened in the past.

Allow me to show the records of Kido/Hendra's losses since 2005 :D

2005 (24-10 and 3 Titles, including the SEA Games Team & Individual Event) -- first full year of competition at top-level.
vs Flandy Limpele/Eng Hian -- 2x
vs Nathan Robertson/Robert Blair -- 1x
vs Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen -- 1x
vs Tony Gunawan/Howard Bach -- 1x
vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen -- 1x
vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah -- 1x
vs Sang Yang/Xie Zhongbo -- 1x
vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun -- 1x
vs Thomas Laybourn/Peter Steffensen -- 1x

2006 (37-8 and 3 Titles, including Asian Games Team & Individual Event)
vs Anthony Clark/Robert Blair -- 2x
vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun -- 2x (beat them twice too)
vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- 1x
vs Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya -- 1x
vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah -- 1x
vs Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Hendra Wijaya -- 1x

2007 (53-10 and 6 Titles, including SEA Games Team & Individual Events)
vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- 4x
vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah -- 2x (beat them 1x)
vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun -- 1x (beat them 1x)
vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae -- 1x (beat them 1x)
vs Han Sang Hoon/Yoo Yeon Seong -- 1x
vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto -- 1x

2008 (37-9 and 5 Titles, excludes the Invitational Copenhagen Masters as it's only an exhibition tourney that does not mean anything)
vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae -- 3x
vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- 2x
vs Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki -- 1x
vs Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya -- 1x
vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen -- 1x
vs Tadashi Ohtsuka/Keita Masuda -- 1x

2009 (29-5 and 3 Titles so far)
vs Hendra A. Gunawan/Alvent Yulianto Chandra -- 1x
vs Fang Chieh-Min/Lee Sheng-Mu -- 1x
vs Nathan Robertson/Anthony Clark -- 1x
vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae -- 1x
vs Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen -- 1x

Allow me to show the records of Kido/Hendra's losses since 2005 :D

2005 (24-10 and 3 Titles, including the SEA Games Team & Individual Event) -- first full year of competition at top-level.
vs Flandy Limpele/Eng Hian -- 2x
vs Nathan Robertson/Robert Blair -- 1x
vs Jens Eriksen/Martin Lundgaard Hansen -- 1x
vs Tony Gunawan/Howard Bach -- 1x
vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen -- 1x
vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah -- 1x
vs Sang Yang/Xie Zhongbo -- 1x
vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun -- 1x
vs Thomas Laybourn/Peter Steffensen -- 1x

2006 (37-8 and 3 Titles, including Asian Games Team & Individual Event)
vs Anthony Clark/Robert Blair -- 2x
vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun -- 2x (beat them twice too)
vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- 1x
vs Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya -- 1x
vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah -- 1x
vs Hendri Kurniawan Saputra/Hendra Wijaya -- 1x

2007 (53-10 and 6 Titles, including SEA Games Team & Individual Events)
vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- 4x
vs Choong Tan Fook/Lee Wan Wah -- 2x (beat them 1x)
vs Fu Haifeng/Cai Yun -- 1x (beat them 1x)
vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae -- 1x (beat them 1x)
vs Han Sang Hoon/Yoo Yeon Seong -- 1x
vs Luluk Hadiyanto/Alvent Yulianto -- 1x

2008 (37-9 and 5 Titles, excludes the Invitational Copenhagen Masters as it's only an exhibition tourney that does not mean anything)
vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae -- 3x
vs Koo Kien Keat/Tan Boon Heong -- 2x
vs Rian Sukmawan/Yonathan Suryatama Dasuki -- 1x
vs Tony Gunawan/Candra Wijaya -- 1x
vs Lars Paaske/Jonas Rasmussen -- 1x
vs Tadashi Ohtsuka/Keita Masuda -- 1x

2009 (29-5 and 3 Titles so far)
vs Hendra A. Gunawan/Alvent Yulianto Chandra -- 1x
vs Fang Chieh-Min/Lee Sheng-Mu -- 1x
vs Nathan Robertson/Anthony Clark -- 1x
vs Jung Jae Sung/Lee Yong Dae -- 1x
vs Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen -- 1x

<speechless> :eek:
I don't know which one is more of an advantage...badmania having MK/HS as his most favorite pair...or MK/HS having such dedicated fan as badmania. :D

I should note that Kido/Hendra beat Paaske/Rasmussen, Koo/Tan, and Tony/Candra twice for each pair last year, so, no inferior records to these pairs for last year.

The ONLY pairs Kido/Hendra have overall inferior records to at the moment are only Koo/Tan (3-7) and Jung/Lee (3-5) since 2006 to present moment. Maybe perhaps to Choong/Lee too...but I am lazy to see what's the overall record for the past 4 years.

Anyway, it's not that important as Choong/Lee NEVER WIN any Major Title :) Let them have the superior head-to-head record over the reigning Olympics Champions...that's something to brag about too eh :)

I should note that Kido/Hendra beat Paaske/Rasmussen, Koo/Tan, and Tony/Candra twice for each pair last year, so, no inferior records to these pairs for last year.

The ONLY pairs Kido/Hendra have overall inferior records to at the moment are only Koo/Tan (3-7) and Jung/Lee (3-5) since 2006 to present moment. Maybe perhaps to Choong/Lee too...but I am lazy to see what's the overall record for the past 4 years.

Anyway, it's not that important as Choong/Lee NEVER WIN any Major Title :) Let them have the superior head-to-head record over the reigning Olympics Champions...that's something to brag about too eh :)

Don't start man...just don't..... :p

Seemed like MK/HS matches quite well with CY/FHF....do you happen to have their overall H-2-H record since 2006 as well?

Don't start man...just don't..... :p

Seemed like MK/HS matches quite well with CY/FHF....do you happen to have their overall H-2-H record since 2006 as well?

I know for sure that Fu/Cai DID NOT HAVE a superior record to Kido/Hendra since 2005. The record stands at 4-4. Even-steven as you expected.

Psst... He's online. Let's hear what he's gonna say. ;)

I should note that Kido/Hendra beat Paaske/Rasmussen, Koo/Tan, and Tony/Candra twice for each pair last year, so, no inferior records to these pairs for last year.

The ONLY pairs Kido/Hendra have overall inferior records to at the moment are only Koo/Tan (3-7) and Jung/Lee (3-5) since 2006 to present moment. Maybe perhaps to Choong/Lee too...but I am lazy to see what's the overall record for the past 4 years.

Anyway, it's not that important as Choong/Lee NEVER WIN any Major Title :) Let them have the superior head-to-head record over the reigning Olympics Champions...that's something to brag about too eh :)

Thanks for the stats. But you need to make a matrix to see the whole thing.

The badminton world has been fast changing in the recent years. The BWF official ranking only counts 1 year moving average and my H2H of Top Players counts 2 years moving average.

To see who's the strongest in MD "currently", you should set the time frame in reasonable scale. To know that, at least I have no interest to go back to the "history."

Enjoy~:)

To see who's the strongest in MD "currently", you should set the time frame in reasonable scale. To know that, at least I have no interest to go back to the "history."

Enjoy~:)

That's your own problem anyway. We are not particularly interested in the meaningless head-to-head stats anyway ;)

Enjoy too ~:)

Narnia.. How do you do ? :)

If we open an athlete's page in Wikipedia, what we will see in their parade of achievements (e.g. titles), not their H2H stats. And that's exactly people want to see if they want to know whether the athlete is good or not.
See Lin Dan's page, for example. :cool:
PSH's page, OTOH... :p

If we open an athlete's page in Wikipedia, what we will see in their parade of achievements (e.g. titles), not their H2H stats. And that's exactly people want to see if they want to know whether the athlete is good or not.
See Lin Dan's page, for example. :cool:
PSH's page, OTOH... :p

You see...other dear friend here has stated SO MANY TIMES that he's NOT INTERESTED in titles achievements AT ALL. He just wants to showcase that Jung/Lee is the BEST MD PAIR that DOMINATES the World over the past 2 years (not over their history mind u ;))

Strangely, for their DOMINATION, they ONLY have the AE title to show for in the past 2 years :D

Strangely, for their DOMINATION, they ONLY have the AE title to show for in the past 2 years :D
:eek: Oh dear, a feat even a Hafiz Hashim can also boast.

You see...other dear friend here has stated SO MANY TIMES that he's NOT INTERESTED in titles achievements AT ALL. He just wants to showcase that Jung/Lee is the BEST MD PAIR that DOMINATES the World over the past 2 years (not over their history mind u ;))

Strangely, for their DOMINATION, they ONLY have the AE title to show for in the past 2 years :D
agree,
even the media pay more attention to OG, AE, and WC

let him/her make another prediction(s) and live in his/her world...

u cant believe 100% on statistic
video is the best material for u to do the prediction;)
no statistic can predict 100%...statistician never made 100% correct prediction/confidence interval..
not even the video :mad:
error(s) always follow every prediction(s)...

Hahaha, stats shows "Consistency".

As MK/HS beat one team in the Top 6 and KKK/TBH also beat one team, their rankings will change just marginal.

:)
so many bias in your method...

(just want say that)

just enjoy your world

Enjoy ~ :p

Thanks all, I close this thread now.

I see most critics are usually from INAn fans. Thanks anyway for your great interests in this thread, which made it the best popular thread in French Open 2009 except the usual Daily match tracking threads, etc. As I said always, Hendra Setiawan is one of my best favorite players in the world. He is the play maker. Don't forget it.

Enjoy~:)

You see...other dear friend here has stated SO MANY TIMES that he's NOT INTERESTED in titles achievements AT ALL. He just wants to showcase that Jung/Lee is the BEST MD PAIR that DOMINATES the World over the past 2 years (not over their history mind u ;))

Strangely, for their DOMINATION, they ONLY have the AE title to show for in the past 2 years :D

When it comes to prediction, that would be ok.
But there's no Lin Dan in MD :D. So we couldn't say LYD/JJS DOMINATE MD

Thanks all, I close this thread now.

I see most critics are usually from INAn fans. Thanks anyway for your great interests in this thread. As I said always, Hendra Setiawan is one of my best favorite players in the world. He is the play maker. Don't forget it.

Enjoy~:)
Never mind. Somehow, I start thinking that you're so thirsty of BCers' attention. So sweet of you.
That's all. :p

MK/HS will lose to the Japaneses in the 1st round.

Boleh~ :)
this therad will have fewer posts if you're not post this..
Just my opinion..:cool:

this therad will have less post if you're not post this..
Just my opinion..:cool:

Just count it. Your post is 170th. Almost 4,000 views from BCers.

See ya:)

Relax guyz. French Open is over now. I think we should close this thread because we have the winners already, RIGHT MODS? :)

Thanks all, I close this thread now.

I see most critics are usually from INAn fans. Thanks anyway for your great interests in this thread, which made it the best popular thread in French Open 2009 except the usual Daily match tracking threads, etc. As I said always, Hendra Setiawan is one of my best favorite players in the world. He is the play maker. Don't forget it.

Enjoy~:)
..it's our pleasure to entertain and reply to your thread. You see, aren't you glad we are so nice to be participating and make your thread quite popular?
As a matter of fact, you should be buying every single INA BCers, who've commented in your thread, a nice little Christmas gift card.:cool:

Btw, the PAW threads for French Open SS and Denmark Open SS have more posts and views than your thread. Even the "Denmark & French Open livestream" thread has more views than this thread..;)

As a matter of fact, you should be buying every single INA BCers, who've commented in your thread, a nice little Christmas gift card.:cool:

Naah... I'll be fine with a bucket of sweets. Trick or treat!

Come to think about it.
With his skill of making predictions, his seldom (or never) joining PAW Games is quite a mystery. :confused:

u cant believe 100% on statistic
video is the best material for u to do the prediction;)

Not only that, how many dept the players play, pair with who, H-2H with opponents, under what conditions the particular pair tend to win or lose, which coach advising them for which tourney.
Plus, the match just before that, did it drag to rubber for them & opponent. You know lah, all the variables that makes up the trend, ;):p:p.

The badminton world has been fast changing in the recent years. The BWF official ranking only counts 1 year moving average

Use the 1yr time frame then.


You see...other dear friend here has stated SO MANY TIMES that he's NOT INTERESTED in titles achievements AT ALL. He just wants to showcase that Jung/Lee is the BEST MD PAIR that DOMINATES the World over the past 2 years (not over their history mind u

Maybe our poor korean chaps have learning deficiency..... he just can't see the fallacy in his logic.
Then again, his agenda has always been to show that LYD/JJS is the best in the world...using whatever means necessary. Unfortunately for him, even using his own method that'll still not be the case. :p

LYD/JJS is going down hill ( he claimes that LYD is still in rehabilitation and not 100% confident..thats why they are going down hill...)....in my book, this pair is not even top 4 at all..may be number 5 or 6 this year?
MK/HS, CY/FHF, TBH/KKK, Moe and Boe are top 4....

LYD/JJS is going down hill ( he claimes that LYD is still in rehabilitation and not 100% confident..thats why they are going down hill...)....in my book, this pair is not even top 4 at all..may be number 5 or 6 this year?
MK/HS, CY/FHF, TBH/KKK, Moe and Boe are top 4....

Let's wait & see how they perform in the HKG and China SS. Remember, they will face Guo Zhendong/Xu Chen, who beat them in Singapore SS R32 this year, if I remember correctly :) But..too bad the Chinese pair is not a top 10 pair, so, the loss is completely ignored :)

not only top player
u need to pay attention on those potential dark horse also;)

nope i didnt
i play badminton,i dont TRAIN badminton like george
what why i just can improve abit after some time
i hope the george u mentioned there is not me though.:(
i DON'T train badminton.:cool:

lol narnia, i hope u already have all your arsenal and all your secret weapons ready:D

meanwhile, i'm currently relaxing and enjoying my vacation here in starbucks:)

drinking cappucino while reading this whole thread:D:D
i really enjoy though:p

Let's wait & see how they perform in the HKG and China SS. Remember, they will face Guo Zhendong/Xu Chen, who beat them in Singapore SS R32 this year, if I remember correctly :) But..too bad the Chinese pair is not a top 10 pair, so, the loss is completely ignored :)

haha
a pair that tan/mak beat before in last year sgo quater:p

lol narnia, i hope u already have all your arsenal and all your secret weapons ready:D

meanwhile, i'm currently relaxing and enjoying my vacation here in starbucks:)

drinking cappucino while reading this whole thread:D:D
i really enjoy though:p

narnia has made this BC colorful again.. :D

Here's my take on the top 3 performing pairs in the recent Denmark and French Super Series, in no particular order. Basically, each of them beat one and lost to the other:

Hendra Setiawan/Markis Kido:
In Denmark, Hendra was not in the best form and thus Markis Kido had to do too much with his bad knee. This caused their downfall in the Denmark SS semifinals (which was not as close as the scoreline suggested). It has to be said that Boe/Mogensen were in excellent form in that match.

However, in Paris, Hendra's magical interceptions at the net came back in the last 2 games of the final, such that Koo (who's net form is a bit on and off) was outplayed. This reduced the burden on Kido (in fact, he was hardly under pressure) and thus they trooped off worthy winners of French SS. Excellent buildup of play from the Olympic Champs, irrespective of them having to hand over the World No 1 tag to their opponents.

Koo Kien Kiat/Tan Boon Heong:
A commendable effort from both players (Tan especially) although Koo was clearly not at his best in both events. Tan carries forward his good form from the recent World Championships (where he also outshone Koo), had better angle and penetration with his smashes and is more confident at the net area, something that has been missing since All-England 2007.

However, one glaring aspect of their game is missing, the change of pace shots. Instead, they were caught napping quite a few times by both their close oppositions, especially the Danes. Defensively, they gave the opposition too much respect.

Carsten Mogensen/Mathias Boe:
Based on in-game performance alone, I would say that this Danish pair were the best performing of all three. The only reason they failed to win a title was because of lack of consistency in the game; often they would drop a cheap sequence of points after having taken a sequence of points themselves. Otherwise they clearly outshone the other two pairs in terms of defence, change of pace and quality of attack.

The fact is, Boe and Mogensen played better when trailing behind but is not adept at taking the bull by the horns when they are leading. This caused them to fail at the latter stages of the 3rd game in Denmark SS final. Nonetheless, with this performance, I would say that they are now in the top 4 material among the best MD pairs as long as they maintain their consistency.

As always from our dear brother abedeng, this is what I call OBJECTIVE COMMENTS! Very detailed and to the point analysis, unlike those based on interpretation of TS graphs and stuffs.

I am pretty sure abedeng will not boldly predict that Koo/Tan will return home with two European titles, while the INA pair will get trounced by the Japanese pair from his own analysis and reading of the Denmark SS matches, esp involving Koo/Tan and Kido/Hendra (esp the one against Boe/Mogensen).

Thumbs up!

It's amazing how Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen have improved SO MUCH over the space of 1 year :eek:

They were still playing GP & GP Gold Events last year.

It's amazing how Mathias Boe/Carsten Mogensen have improved SO MUCH over the space of 1 year :eek:

They were still playing GP & GP Gold Events last year.

wakakaka.....:D

narnia has made this BC colorful again.. :D
even u felt this is interesting? :p

As always from our dear brother abedeng, this is what I call OBJECTIVE COMMENTS! Very detailed and to the point analysis, unlike those based on interpretation of TS graphs and stuffs.

I am pretty sure abedeng will not boldly predict that Koo/Tan will return home with two European titles, while the INA pair will get trounced by the Japanese pair from his own analysis and reading of the Denmark SS matches, esp involving Koo/Tan and Kido/Hendra (esp the one against Boe/Mogensen).

Thumbs up!
I LOLed on these ones. :D

actually,koo/tan did come back home with 2 ss title from europe
hehe
one swiss open title and one denmark open title:p

actually,koo/tan did come back home with 2 ss title from europe
hehe
one swiss open title and one denmark open title:p

hahah true true