ABC Birdievent Team Winter Competition 2009

[pramana]

ABC Birdievent Team Winter Competition 2009

Date: December 6, 2009

Time: 11:00 AM - Finished

Venue: 12336 Lower Azusa Rd, Arcadia, CA 91006-5872 (626)401-0088

So far, the following is the confirmed Teams/ Groups:

Superbird - Eddie Lopez (Team Leader)
Nova I - Lin Tao/ Jack (Team Leader)
Nova II - Megan Chiu/ Paul Wong (Team Leader)
LA Badminton - Johnny Liew (Team Leader)
LA Meet Up - Brian Hua (Team Leader)
Philippine Badminton Club of Arcadia - Benjie Baladad (Team Leader).
More to come... The event rules & guidelines:

The cost to participate on this tournament is FREE.
The event is open to any groups as long as they have enough players to participate to the event.
Each team will select 8 top players from the members (4 pairs) and an additional 2 back-up players, in case there is a draw on the 4th match.

The pair can be man-man, man-women, or women-women.
The team leader will decide who will be paired and/ or play on the 1st match, 2nd and so on.
One player cannot play twice or more against the same opponent team. If team does not have enough players, it will be called WO (walk-out) and the point will be rewarded to the opponent team.
In case the match is going to the 3d set, the final match point on the 3rd set is 15 instead of 21 (to shortening the time of the event).

The system is round-robin (a minimum of 2 matches per team).
If there are more than 8 groups, we will split the groups into 2 brackets.
The top 2 groups will represent the brackets into the Semi-Final round.
The winner of Semi-Final round will compete in the Final round.
The match is based on the 21 points system.
Every time a pair wins a match, the group will earn 1 point.
The winning group is the one which earn 3 points first against the other group.
Each team player must provide own birdie to the match.Please visit www.birdievent.com (https://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=194&func=view&catid=6&id=10) for the updates of this event.
Prizes: The pride of your group.

[ajangs]

Hey, Eddie

This is Andy Jang
I would like to assemble my own team, it it OK ?
I think i can find at least 8 members for me team



Date: December 6, 2009

Time: 11:00 AM - Finished

Venue: 12336 Lower Azusa Rd, Arcadia, CA 91006-5872 (626)401-0088


So far, the following is the confirmed Teams/ Groups:
Superbird - Eddie Lopez (Team Leader)
Nova I - Lin Tao/ Jack (Team Leader)
Nova II - Megan Chiu/ Paul Wong (Team Leader)
LA Badminton - Johnny Liew (Team Leader)
LA Meet Up - Brian Hua (Team Leader)
Philippine Badminton Club of Arcadia - Benjie Baladad (Team Leader).
More to come...The event rules & guidelines:
The cost to participate on this tournament is FREE.
The event is open to any groups as long as they have enough players to participate to the event.
Each team will select 8 top players from the members (4 pairs) and an additional 2 back-up players, in case there is a draw on the 4th match.
The pair can be man-man, man-women, or women-women.
The team leader will decide who will be paired and/ or play on the 1st match, 2nd and so on.
One player cannot play twice or more against the same opponent team. If team does not have enough players, it will be called WO (walk-out) and the point will be rewarded to the opponent team.
In case the match is going to the 3d set, the final match point on the 3rd set is 15 instead of 21 (to shortening the time of the event).
The system is round-robin (a minimum of 2 matches per team).
If there are more than 8 groups, we will split the groups into 2 brackets.
The top 2 groups will represent the brackets into the Semi-Final round.
The winner of Semi-Final round will compete in the Final round.
The match is based on the 21 points system.
Every time a pair wins a match, the group will earn 1 point.
The winning group is the one which earn 3 points first against the other group.
Each team player must provide own birdie to the match.Please visit www.birdievent.com (https://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=194&func=view&catid=6&id=10) for the updates of this event.
Prizes: The pride of your group.[/quote]

[n3w813]

Very interesting! Time to find a group to join :D

[ctjcad]

... Each team will select 8 top players from the members (4 pairs) and an additional 2 back-up players, in case there is a draw on the 4th match.
...
..so, i take it, each group will have a max. of 10 players (5 pairs)??..:confused:

[pramana]

The dateline to submit your group is Saturday, November 28, 2009.
Please send the name of team leader, members' names, team logo (if available) to info@birdievent.com

Note: We limit the number of players per team to 10 is due to time restriction (round robin). The best two of the bracket will be in Semi-Final...

[SuperBird]

Andy Jangs,

SuperBird Team is in the early stage of development. We are recruiting members for future inter-club tournaments & SuperBird Survival Series Tournament & ect. If you are interested we would like to invite you to be part of our Team/group members.

email: iamsuperbird@gmail.com

[ionoo]

Andy Jangs,

SuperBird Team is in the early stage of development. We are recruiting members for future inter-club tournaments & SuperBird Survival Series Tournament & ect. If you are interested we would like to invite you to be part of our Team/group members.

email: iamsuperbird@gmail.com
any idea when the next survival super bird single tournament is?

[ctjcad]

The dateline to submit your group is Saturday, November 28, 2009.
Please send the name of team leader, members' names, team logo (if available) to info@birdievent.com

Note: We limit the number of players per team to 10 is due to time restriction (round robin). The best two of the bracket will be in Semi-Final...
..so the 10 players are based on "first come, first included" basis??..:confused::)
how abt if there are 9 players and 2 additional people want to join. how would you choose who could make the last spot??..
also, how often are you guys planning to hold this intra-club event?..

[pramana]

If we receive strong supports from members and of course ABC, we are planning to have this event at least 3x a year (Winter, Spring & Summer).

If you have "odd" numbers of players, the team leader will decide the players selection. That is why we require every team to submit the players' names before the event to minimize confusion if player(s) may sign up to multiple teams.

If by the dateline, a team has not submitted the players' names, we will call it forfeit.

thanks,
birdievent.com (http://birdievent.com)

[SuperBird]

Please check www.superbirdbadminton.com or Birdievent.com for any upcoming SuperBird Survival Tournaments. For the Survival Singles-->it's going to be in Jan 2010-pending date.

SuperBird Men Doubles/Women Doubles is NEXT. Will probably be the week after Birdievent Team Winter Competition 2009. Please check for update by next week.

[ctjcad]

If we receive strong supports from members and of course ABC, we are planning to have this event at least 3x a year (Winter, Spring & Summer).

If you have "odd" numbers of players, the team leader will decide the players selection. That is why we require every team to submit the players' names before the event to minimize confusion if player(s) may sign up to multiple teams.

If by the dateline, a team has not submitted the players' names, we will call it forfeit.

thanks,
birdievent.com (http://birdievent.com)
Got it! Thanks for clarifying.:)

Please check www.superbirdbadminton.com or Birdievent.com for any upcoming SuperBird Survival Tournaments. For the Survival Singles-->it's going to be in Jan 2010-pending date.

SuperBird Men Doubles/Women Doubles is NEXT. Will probably be the week after Birdievent Team Winter Competition 2009. Please check for update by next week.
for the MD & WD tournament, i take it the entry fee is the same as before? and random pairing as well?
I also heard there will be another mini-tournament before the Birdievent Team Winter Competition 2009?? If not mistaken it's either this coming weekend or next weekend (after Thanksgiving). Any confirmation on this?

[pramana]

The registration form is available on the website:

Please click the following link to register your team:

Birdievent.com (https://birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_ckforms&view=ckforms&id=1&Itemid=217)

[ionoo]

Got it! Thanks for clarifying.:)

for the MD & WD tournament, i take it the entry fee is the same as before? and random pairing as well?
I also heard there will be another mini-tournament before the Birdievent Team Winter Competition 2009?? If not mistaken it's either this coming weekend or next weekend (after Thanksgiving). Any confirmation on this?

random pairing again?

dec 12th is the next survival tournament after Birdievent Team comp.?

what's the scoring system this time around anyway? one set 21? or is it one set to 30?

[SuperBird]

Survival Tournament for Men Doubles/Women Doubles. Time & schedule date is still pending for Dec. 13,2009. Official date will be posted this week @ Superbirdbadminton.com after I will discuss over with William(ABC-management) for time slot.

Depending on # of players---This tournament will run within 3-4hrs MAX.This is not your typical Tournament--NO ROBIN SET & EVERY TEAM will play at least 2 rounds of 21pts & 1-Consolation. Usually from 2pm--5pm. Sammy will Run the Women Doubles/Eddie will run the Men Doubles.

For all who are interested in this tournament: Just send me an email for Confirmation: iamsuperbird@gmail.com So I will get a good estimate of # of players.

For all others information: info@superbirdbadminton.com

Posting will be up at ABC this WEEK. Sign up sheet will be update on the wall for the players to see or send me an email: iamsuperbird@gmail.com

Tournament FEE: $10 (include free sodas & water for tournament) for MEN doubles
Tournament FEE: $5.00 for women Doubles
(non-members: need to pay for entry fee at the door)

Tournament FEE will be paid to Superbird-organizer: Eddie

[harimau]

The registration form is available on the website:

Please click the following link to register your team:

Birdievent.com (https://birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_ckforms&view=ckforms&id=1&Itemid=217)

What type of shuttlecocks will be allowed to be used in this event ? Or perhaps ABC will become sponsor of the event by sponsoring the birdies for the event ???

[pramana]

The shuttlecock will be provided by the players who participate on the event.
Of course, we do not expect the players to use "plastic" shuttlecock :rolleyes:.

[ctjcad]

..as of today/y'day, i noticed there will be 12 teams competing in this 1st ever ABC intraclub event! That means, at least 120 people will be there...:cool:
I also heard you guys will only reserve 6 courts. Hopefully we won't have to stay til very late..:p

And since it's free to join, see you guys, next Sunday, on the court(s)..:p

[n3w813]

Wow 12 teams.....I hope the tourney doesn't take TOO long

[pramana]

We are really pleased to see the enthusiasm of all badminton fans, players and specially the strong supports from the ABC management to this event. Special Kudos to William Chan for his generosity to sponsor this event from the planning to this day.

There were actually more than 12 teams proposed, but we realized time may become the essence. That is why we see the quality of players are suddenly improved, because we ask the team leaders to consolidate their teams to pick the best for their teams. We also noticed some exhibition matches last weekend to pick & choose the best pairs from the respective teams.

We are planning to hold this event in Two-Sunday. We will create 3 brackets with 4 teams each and play the match in round-robin system.

The two top teams from each bracket will go to the final bracket and again will play in round-robin system. The final bracket will be played on the following Sunday.

As many are aware, it will be exhausting (no-break on 11 mid-match points on any sets, 3 minutes max warm-up prior to the match), but sure it will be pleasing. We hope all the efforts, preparation and enthusiasm from everyone will pay-off on the D-day. Everyone are welcome to visit ABC and watch this exciting event.

All comments and suggestions are welcome.

Thank you,
Birdievent.com (http://birdievent.com)

[ctjcad]

..imo is:
- The Round Robin style and that each team/group is guaranteed to have a chance to play 5 matches against another team/group, win or lose.
- It's interesting to see players from outside of ABC joining despite a long wait and no winning prize at the end.:p
- I'm interested to see other reg. ABC members participate as i know there are some regulars who didn't participate this time. I'll be interested to see the response/turn out for this event, the next time it's held. Hopefully there will be more and the ABC community will be a tighter knit group.:cool:
- Good job, Rudy, on the match control for the 1st week.:cool:

Wow 12 teams.....I hope the tourney doesn't take TOO long
..this past Sunday, if i recall, it took abt nearly 8 hrs to complete all group plays (each team had to play against 3 others, 15 matches total). I believe they started just after 11 am & ended after 6 pm.

[pramana]

Chris, thank you for the feedback:

Let me give you some comments from our views:

- The Round Robin style and that each team/group is guaranteed to have a chance to play 5 matches against another team/group, win or lose.
+ We made the round-robin system, so every team will have a chance to play against each other and to let every player of each team to recognize each others who are mainly ABC members. As we mentioned earlier, this event is based on friendship.

- It's interesting to see players from outside of ABC joining despite a long wait and no winning prize at the end.:p
+ Yes, we are lucky enough to get acknowledged and strong participants outside of ABC. We hope after this event, they will be familiar to ABC members and there will be no hesitation to visit us in the future, because they already met and knew some members through this event.

- I'm interested to see other reg. ABC members participate as i know there are some regulars who didn't participate this time. I'll be interested to see the response/turn out for this event, the next time it's held. Hopefully there will be more and the ABC community will be a tighter knit group.:cool:
+ Actually we received more teams inquiries. However due to time and courts availability, we decided to limit to 12 groups only. In addition, we only allow 10 players per team (5-pairs). These players who did not participate on this event were crossed due to teams availability.

- Good job, Rudy, on the match control for the 1st week.:cool:
+ Thanks Chris

Note: Tournament updates and photo gallery are now available (thanks to Lu Do on the amazing photo shoots). However, you have to be a member of Birdievent.com (http://www.birdievent.com) to view the pictures. Birdievent.com (http://www.birdievent.com) is a FREE badminton site dedicated to badminton discussion, events, and news. We encourage everyone to register and become our members.

Thank you,
Birdievent.com (http://birdievent.com)

[ctjcad]

...
+ Actually we received more teams inquiries. However due to time and courts availability, we decided to limit to 12 groups only. In addition, we only allow 10 players per team (5-pairs). These players who did not participate on this event were crossed due to teams availability.
...
..no problem, glad to chip in..

Thank you for sharing a bit more background on this event, for the rest of the BCers.

On the above point, i'm just wondering, are those additional teams/players inquiries from ABC members? Because if they are, shouldn't they be given a "priority" over non-ABC members?..

[pramana]

Chris,

We always considered ABC members as the VIP on all the local events. Unfortunately, some regular ABC players did not respond 'till last minutes, when everything was almost set and done. In the same time, some players only wanted to play for certain teams, which in most cases, these popular teams were already full.

Thanks,
Birdievent.com

[ctjcad]

..another question:
what's the percentage of ABC members playing in this event? How many players participating, if you recall, are reg. ABC players/members?..

[pramana]

Chris:

You probably have to ask these questions to the team leaders, since they are responsible to recruit their team members.

[pramana]

This coming Final Round will be more interesting to watch. The 6 qualified teams had proven their supremacy within their brackets.

The 6 qualified teams are:
Arcadia pCox (http://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_bearleague&task=team&tid=5&sid=1&Itemid=227) - (William Chan - Team Leader)
New Sky Line Stone (http://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_bearleague&task=team&tid=12&sid=1&Itemid=227) - (Andy Jang - Team Leader)
Ronin Garuda Badminton (http://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_bearleague&task=team&tid=10&sid=1&Itemid=227) - (Michael Chang - Team Leader)
NOVA II (http://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_bearleague&task=team&tid=6&sid=1&Itemid=227) (Megan Chiu/ Paul Wong - Team Leader)
LA SGVBC (http://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_bearleague&task=team&tid=9&sid=1&Itemid=227) (Mei Mei - Team Leader)
LA Badminton II (http://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_bearleague&task=team&tid=11&sid=1&Itemid=227) (Andy Jap - Team Leader)If you like to see the teams standing within their respective brackets:
Team Standing (http://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_bearleague&view=ltable&sid=1&Itemid=227).
Matches Schedules (http://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_bearleague&task=calendar&sid=1&Itemid=227)Thank you,
Birdievent.com (http://www.birdievent.com)

[ctjcad]

..Rudy, i noticed the last matches of the day is @ 11 pm at night??..or is that just an approximate??..:confused::eek:

[y'oinks!]

I wonder if any teams need a fill in?

[pramana]

Chris:

The software estimated the time based on 3 courts reserved (originally approved by ABC). However, since we extended to 6 courts for this final round, the time will greatly reduced.

I think we may finish about the same time as the qualification rounds or probably earlier since every team match will occupy 2 courts.

thanks,
Birdievent.com

[ctjcad]

..good to know there will be 6 courts used and all te matches should end abt the same time as last week..see you in a few hrs..:p

[ctjcad]

..overall winning group, LA Badminton Two (and LA Badminton One) and to Rudy for a job well done in the 1st ever Birdievent Team Winter Competition 2009. I know it's been a pretty challenging task, but what do you think of the overall success?
Btw, i heard for the 2nd edition, there is a possibility of actual prize money being awarded to the overall winner..........is this of some truth??..If so, then, i feel, it'll become even more "serious" and more "very good players" will participate with money at stake..and most likely "not so very good players" will not participate..:p;)

*A few pretty good matches today. One involving Ran & Richard vs. Steve and his partner (with both games reaching 22-20). Also, the match between Andy J. & Charles L. vs. Brian & his partner.

[pramana]

Chris:

Thank you for the kind words.
We are very pleased to the progress and results of the event. I believe everyone was excited and showed their best skills to overcome the opponents. During the final stages, the most convincing teams, who won 3-0 during the qualification rounds, were not performing so well, while the struggling teams (LA-2 & Arcadia p-Cox) achieved remarkable came back. Both the LA-2 & p-Cox were 4-0 before clashing at the final rounds.

We hope this first event will become a stepping stone to a bigger tournament. We are currently gathering sponsors so the next tournament (around March 2010), which will offer $$$ to the winning team.

Meanwhile, we also got approval to have "Hall of Fame" wall in ABC to honor the winning team(s) along with the players names. Sammy sponsored the creation of this banner, which probably will be ready in a few weeks.

We congratulate the winning team for this event (LA-2) and like to appreciate all the team leaders, players and volunteers who continued to support us from the planning and 'till the end of the event.

Thank you,
Birdievent.com

[ctjcad]

Chris:

Thank you for the kind words.
We are very pleased to the progress and results of the event. I believe everyone was excited and showed their best skills to overcome the opponents. During the final stages, the most convincing teams, who won 3-0 during the qualification rounds, were not performing so well, while the struggling teams (LA-2 & Arcadia p-Cox) achieved remarkable came back. Both the LA-2 & p-Cox were 4-0 before clashing at the final rounds.

We hope this first event will become a stepping stone to a bigger tournament. We are currently gathering sponsors so the next tournament (around March 2010), which will offer $$$ to the winning team.
...
- No problem. Glad to provide some "noise" in the ABC sub-forum..;)
- On the round robin group play, i was thinking last night, how about if you guys allow all the teams to play against each other. Meaning, if there are 12 teams, all 12 teams will play against each other and there won't be any Qualification or Final Rd. (just so all the teams get to play against each other). In the end, there will be 1 team with a 11-0 and 1 team w/a 0-11 record..:p
The downside to that will be the time restraint, thus you guys will probably reserve more courts.
- I know this probably has been brought up or mentioned, but for this particular tournament, i know it's quite tough to match all the groups' level/players; some teams are, overall, stronger than the others. Will you apply some kind of "equal level" of playing field in the future (meaning each group will have A, B, C, D or E level players/pairs)?
- Wow. If there's a sponsor willing to give a prize money in the next edition, then i'm pretty much sure a lot of "very good players" will participate. It'll be like a mini-Summersmash or Wintersmash. I mean the level of competition will be even greater than this edition.
Will the participants pay an additional fee to play? I could imagine the "not so good players" will think thrice abt joining again..:p

[y'oinks!]

This tournament was a very fun experience! I can hardly wait for the next one!

[pramana]

- No problem. Glad to provide some "noise" in the ABC sub-forum..;)
+ Thanks.

- On the round robin group play, i was thinking last night, how about if you guys allow all the teams to play against each other. Meaning, if there are 12 teams, all 12 teams will play against each other and there won't be any Qualification or Final Rd. (just so all the teams get to play against each other). In the end, there will be 1 team with a 11-0 and 1 team w/a 0-11 record..:p

+ It will back to the same issue as we mentioned earlier: courts availability and time.

- I know this probably has been brought up or mentioned, but for this particular tournament, i know it's quite tough to match all the groups' level/players; some teams are, overall, stronger than the others. Will you apply some kind of "equal level" of playing field in the future (meaning each group will have A, B, C, D or E level players/pairs)?

+ It is very difficult to categorize a player, since we do not have standard ranking systems. I do not think subjective opinion will be fair to level out a player.

- Wow. If there's a sponsor willing to give a prize money in the next edition, then i'm pretty much sure a lot of "very good players" will participate. It'll be like a mini-Summersmash or Wintersmash. I mean the level of competition will be even greater than this edition.
Will the participants pay an additional fee to play? I could imagine the "not so good players" will think thrice abt joining again..:p

+ This is another discussion we had on dinner time after the final match last week with some teams leaders. If we begin to give $$$, the event will not be "friendly" and "entertaining" to good, but non-professional players. It will become championship event, instead of "friendly" event. Therefore, we are still planning, if we rather give away "surprise gift", which every player can use and be proud of to wear, because it shows if he/ she belonged to a winning team :-), instead of merely $$$.
Another issue with $$$, how much is too little and how much is too much? Remember, this is a team event.

Note: Photo Gallery (http://www.birdievent.com/index.php?option=com_community&view=photos&Itemid=197) of the event is now available. You have to be a registered member to view the images.

Thank you,
Birdievent.com (http://birdievent.com)

[ctjcad]

...
+ It is very difficult to categorize a player, since we do not have standard ranking systems. I do not think subjective opinion will be fair to level out a player.

+ This is another discussion we had on dinner time after the final match last week with some teams leaders. If we begin to give $$$, the event will not be "friendly" and "entertaining" to good, but non-professional players. It will become championship event, instead of "friendly" event. Therefore, we are still planning, if we rather give away "surprise gift", which every player can use and be proud of to wear, because it shows if he/ she belonged to a winning team :-), instead of merely $$$.
Another issue with $$$, how much is too little and how much is too much? Remember, this is a team event.
...
- I understand abt the challenge of ranking/categorizing players to different level(s). Then, if that's the case, most likely there will be teams which are very strong and teams which are not so strong, again, in the future.
- In the future, would you consider limiting the number of teams competing, knowing court availability and time will be tight. That way, rather than having a QF Rd. and Final Rd., every team will be able to play against each other, at least, once. Consider also, summer time tournament will be even tougher as the weather will be in the 90s or even 100s.
- I was thinking perhaps the idea of giving some kind of prize money incentives would entice more players who were reluctant to join.
- I also heard from a few other ABC regular players that they never heard abt this tourney. Was it mentioned or announced @ ABC? Maybe a simple banner or poster announcing the event will help?
- I noticed there were a few teams who even asked coaches to join. Will there be different rules applied the next time on allowing coaches to compete?
- I also notice there are a couple of teams which split into Team A & Team B. But on the Finals Rd. day, some players from Team A were replaced with some players from Team B. Rather than doing so, i was thinking let all the teams play against each other; make it a round robin team tournament.
- As for the amt of "too little" or "too much" prize money, how about starting with $500? I think that's a pretty good & reasonable sum to gather. If a team has & wins with only 10 players, then each player gets $50 each. If a team has & wins with 15 players, then each player gets less.
The thing i'm wondering if there's a prize money offered is, if this is still an "open to every level of players" event, really good players will form a team and will have a really powerful team. At the end, there will be only a handful of teams competing, maybe even less than 5 teams. Imagine all the OCBC junior players competing and forming a team.
- I have a feeling, this tourney will be even more competitive (and perhaps less friendly), with or without prize money, for the next edition. It could be a good thing or could not. I think teams will be gearing up even more better and will "hire" better players to compete.
Not so good players will look at the other teams & will wonder how they'll fare. On the other hand, other very good teams will also "lower" their standard of play & probably won't be interested in playing.

[y'oinks!]

I don't know about any of you, but how about getting shirts for the participants or a keepsake of sorts and then donate the rest to a charitable foundation. It doesn't have to be donated to the same recipient. What do you guys think of that idea?

[pramana]

- I understand abt the challenge of ranking/categorizing players to different level(s). Then, if that's the case, most likely there will be teams which are very strong and teams which are not so strong, again, in the future.

+ That is always the case in every sport. We see in almost every season of NFL, NBA, NHL and all other sports. There is no exception in our event.

- In the future, would you consider limiting the number of teams competing, knowing court availability and time will be tight. That way, rather than having a QF Rd. and Final Rd., every team will be able to play against each other, at least, once. Consider also, summer time tournament will be even tougher as the weather will be in the 90s or even 100s.

+ The comfort level is 12 teams. However, if we can gather more and ABC allows us to acquire more courts, I may be looking for 16, 18 or even 20 teams to compete. Of course there is consideration of time, which we may have to play this event for more than two days if there are more teams participating.

- I was thinking perhaps the idea of giving some kind of prize money incentives would entice more players who were reluctant to join.

+ Like I mentioned earlier, $$$ is very bias. How much is too little and how much is too much. You have to remember, it is a team event and will be played for more than one day.

- I also heard from a few other ABC regular players that they never heard abt this tourney. Was it mentioned or announced @ ABC? Maybe a simple banner or poster announcing the event will help?

+ Well, it was very difficult to measure the spread of news among the members. Even though you received the non-heard feedback, I received high inquires of teams participation and players of this event, which I finally asked team leaders to consolidate and re-group into 12 competitive teams.

- I noticed there were a few teams who even asked coaches to join. Will there be different rules applied the next time on allowing coaches to compete?

+ We did not expect the event would be so competitive. We would not mind to let coaches to play. Isn't it great to see coaches showed their skills, endurance and talents to all of us?

- I also notice there are a couple of teams which split into Team A & Team B. But on the Finals Rd. day, some players from Team A were replaced with some players from Team B. Rather than doing so, i was thinking let all the teams play against each other; make it a round robin team tournament.

+ Some players could not play on the following week for personal reasons. Therefore, we allowed them to re-group and consolidate their teams to continue the event. Of course, we asked team leaders to announce their changes by re-registering their teams online for members and public reviews.

- As for the amt of "too little" or "too much" prize money, how about starting with $500? I think that's a pretty good & reasonable sum to gather. If a team has & wins with only 10 players, then each player gets $50 each. If a team has & wins with 15 players, then each player gets less.
The thing i'm wondering if there's a prize money offered is, if this is still an "open to every level of players" event, really good players will form a team and will have a really powerful team. At the end, there will be only a handful of teams competing, maybe even less than 5 teams. Imagine all the OCBC junior players competing and forming a team.

+ It is difficult to say $500 is good and $1000 is too much. We have to discuss this matter deeper, before announcing the next event.

- I have a feeling, this tourney will be even more competitive (and perhaps less friendly), with or without prize money, for the next edition. It could be a good thing or could not. I think teams will be gearing up even more better and will "hire" better players to compete.
Not so good players will look at the other teams & will wonder how they'll fare. On the other hand, other very good teams will also "lower" their standard of play & probably won't be interested in playing.

+ We have the same impression after watching the matches. Let's see how it will measure on the 2nd event.

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[pramana]

I don't know about any of you, but how about getting shirts for the participants or a keepsake of sorts and then donate the rest to a charitable foundation. It doesn't have to be donated to the same recipient. What do you guys think of that idea?

That is a good idea. We will discuss it on the next meeting for the 2nd event.

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[ctjcad]

+ That is always the case in every sport. We see in almost every season of NFL, NBA, NHL and all other sports. There is no exception in our event.

+ The comfort level is 12 teams. However, if we can gather more and ABC allows us to acquire more courts, I may be looking for 16, 18 or even 20 teams to compete. Of course there is consideration of time, which we may have to play this event for more than two days if there are more teams participating.

+ Like I mentioned earlier, $$$ is very bias. How much is too little and how much is too much. You have to remember, it is a team event and will be played for more than one day.

+ Well, it was very difficult to measure the spread of news among the members. Even though you received the non-heard feedback, I received high inquires of teams participation and players of this event, which I finally asked team leaders to consolidate and re-group into 12 competitive teams.

+ We did not expect the event would be so competitive. We would not mind to let coaches to play. Isn't it great to see coaches showed their skills, endurance and talents to all of us?

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+ It is difficult to say $500 is good and $1000 is too much. We have to discuss this matter deeper, before announcing the next event.
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- There's a difference, imo. Those are pro sports, where (a lot of) money is involved & at stake. This, i thought, is supposed to be a "friendly" tournament??..It turned out, some teams are stronger (have more better players) than the others..:confused::p
- I thought abt the possibility of seeing even more teams in the future. How would that pan out, schedule and court availability wise??. That's a different challenge altogether.
- What do you mean by "$$ is very bias"??..you mean, each person has a different opinion on what is a reasonable amt?
- So, the news wasn't really spread throughout the club? I recall, originally there were only 6 or 8 teams which signed up? But then you received a rush of new participants/teams as the deadline drew near?..
- So, if we allow coaches to play, does that mean we can invite Halim H. and/or Tony G. or any of the coaches to join or play?:confused:;)
- For the amt of prize money, i was thinking, what is the easiest and most affordable way to garner it; which amt is easier to get, $500 or $1000? If $500 or even $1000 is not difficult to collect, then go for it. But if those are too much, then we go for the amt that is easiest & most affordable to come up with. If it requires participants to chip in a few $$ in order to play (and come up with the prize money), then so be it.
Anyway, we'll let you figure that out..:cool:

[y'oinks!]

I don't want to get too far ahead of myself, but I can't help it. I was thinking that maybe we can make the tournament into an signature Arcadia Badminton Club event. I can imagine many local businesses chipping in to sponsor in various ways by donations, drinks/snacks, shuttles, keepsakes, etc... Of course, using the tournament fees to help pay for incentives is always a viable idea. I'm pretty sure the local paper and other media outlets would love to cover the tournament in with their news also. I'm picturing this as feel good friendly tournament still, much as this first one was.

[ajangs]

I was thinking that next tournament, in order to encourage both man and women to participate, perhaps require 1 mix double team so ladies can play as well.

i regret that i have to take my lady off my team for the next round due to higher level of competition.

Another thought is that. I actually feel that the order of the play can actually determine the outcome of the team match.

The final game for our team ( after 2-2 tie) has actually gone to the rubber set. if we would of won that set. LA and us would both be 4-1 and we will be holding the tie break. How to position the match can be crucial when you do not have strength throughtout your 5 pairs.

Andy

[ajangs]

Hey rudy

If you are going to have 3 brackets next time, learning from this tournament. would you consider putting the top 3 teams from this tournament into separate bracket as seeded team so they won't clash the first round?

Also, just want to reply from previous questions
t shirt does not apply to our team since we already have uniform
And just to be clear, as team leader, i did not ask coaches to join, but due to the excitment and format for this tournament, coaches actually has interest to participate and would like to join
Other teams put coaches on when they see the competition is too strong.

Andy

[SuperBird]

Sorry about the long wait for the videos:Part I Enjoy::)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ATs0Hccqcc

[pramana]

Andy:

Yes, it is a good idea to let every team to have 1 pair of mixed-double. I think the mixed-double must play on the 3rd match to be fair. We will discuss it on the next meeting prior to the announcement of the event.

We also received suggestion to have 12 person per team (2 reserved) maximum, so there will be no "re-grouping" after the qualification rounds.

Regarding to brackets, we can put the best 3 teams from recent results on separate brackets, however I believe these teams will re-group anyway, which their strength and teams composition will be different, especially the idea to add mixed-double in the team.

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[ctjcad]

Andy:

Yes, it is a good idea to let every team to have 1 pair of mixed-double. I think the mixed-double must play on the 3rd match to be fair. We will discuss it on the next meeting prior to the announcement of the event.
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..will this be one of the compulsory matches in group play? If a team doesn't have a mixed doubles pair, then that team can't compete? or the team can still compete but will have to forfeit the XD match??..:confused:

[pramana]

Chris:

We will discuss the mixed-double idea in the next meeting to see if other team leaders will like the concept, especially with the reserved players in consideration.
Do we require two women in a team, which is one as reserved (possibility of injury) or only have one and gamble since men are more competitive and prone to injury?

We will talk to team leaders to get their feedback...

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