Hi people:

I am thinking a about organizing a club tournament and I would like to know what kind of scoring system is best/fairest. What I have in mind is something like N people, each persson plays with N-1 people. Whoever wins the most game is the champion.

I expect this kind of tournament will last for a month, maybe two.

Anyone has any other idea to contribute?

Ben

Hi Ben,

Do you want to do sort of a yearly club championship on all disciplines or a more social kind of tournament where members can play occasionally and have the opportunity to play for points on a regular basis?

The first one is preferably held in a fixed short period, like 1 to max 4 evenings / weekend days.
This because people do need to be available during the tournament, and most club members don't want to have a lot fixed badminton appointments in their schedule.
Important is how many players are joining the tournament.
If there are a lot of participants, you can decide to split the tournament in
different levels. If there are still a lot of players/couples in one discipline in one level, like 32 or something, most used schedule is a draw where players/couples match another player/couple, winner goes through to next round, loser is out of the tournament and so on. Possibility is to make a ‘loser’ tournament where all losers in first round have another schedule.
With less participants, like 16, it is nice to split the group in poules in let’s say 4 group of 4 players/couples each. Each group plays a competition where everyone plays the other 3.
Winners of each group can form a new Final group, or for instance play semi finals followed by a final.
When there is a big difference in playing level between players in a discipline, you can for instance decide to combine the two methods and have poule games for the beginners, where the winners qualify for the main schedule.

Most important thing is to know what kind of members you have : are they all fanatic and willing to spent several evenings or weekend days ? Sometimes people call off, because they are sick or do have to work the night or what and ask to postpone the match to the next tournament day. Therefore it may be smart to finish one discipline on one night and do another discipline on another night. Or finish it to semi-final and have one special final-evening/day on all disciplines.

For the tournaments where social aspect is most important, there are lots of possibilities.
One is a so called ladder competition, where players or pairs match up against eachother when they are ‘coincidently’ present at the club. One challenges the other and get points or promoted to be higher on the ladder.
For a tournament evening where almost all present members participate, you can also make a scheme where 50 people are playing eachother all-night, where winning is not particularly the most important part.
Some time ago i made a scheme for doubles together with some club-members, where everyone (50 or 60 people) plays for instance 4 times 20 minutes, each game with other players against other players, not pairing up with or against someone you already played with or against.

Good luck and have fun !

Yong

Originally posted by benfok
What I have in mind is something like N people, each persson plays with N-1 people. Whoever wins the most game is the champion.


Ben

Then, I assume that u can have too many ppl to be in the toury. If N=20, then, everyone have to play 19 games??? There's no way u can finish this tourament (maybe then u should call it a season instead) in 2 wks i guess.

If N<10, maybe it's more like a fair way to do so. However, u can't finish the scoring in 1 or 2 days either. Therefore, attendance becomes an issue (ex: a very good player win all games on 1st day, however, due to say schedule conflict, can't come on the 2nd day of tour. so, he can't win the champ.)

If u want to do a 1 day (4-6) tourament, maybe u can do this: depend on # of ppl, do a draw, pair up and play, if anyone lose 2 games (or 3, if not too many ppl participate), he/she's out. Then, the last one stands is the champ.

Just my thoughts...

Hey Ben, are the people all around the same game level? If you have varying level and you do a "round-robin" system (the one you had originally), it wouldn't be quite fair. Other than that, it's a much better system than the draw system since someone can have a bad day and lose a key game on that day and be eliminated.

Originally posted by jwu
Other than that, it's a much better system than the draw system since someone can have a bad day and lose a key game on that day and be eliminated.

Not quite agree. The "luck of draw" is part of the game. If a potential champ meet the potential runner up in the 1st round, well, too bad then. But everyone else can enjoy watching a very competitive game

Also, with 2 games out or 3 games out, ppl should not complain too much. If someone just happen to meet the potential champ and runner up in the 1st 2 round, well, wait for better luck in next tournament... :p ;) :D

BTW, once in my tournament, I met the later runner up in 1st round (single), got killed in 10 mins... then, in XD, me and my partner met the later champ. even though we did put on such a fight (yeah yeah, my partner is good, plus, I am a good "setup" double player, if u know me), we still lost in a close game...

All in one day, heheheheheh.... what can I say...

yeah LB, it's the luck of the draw and a good system if luck goes your way. :D It is a better system if time is a factor in your tournament.

If you got the time for a lengthy tournament (season), I think that's more fun. After the season is over, you can always pick like the best few and do a playoff type atmosphere game. The reason I am mentioning this is because that's what my club is doing right now. :D

Originally posted by jwu
If you got the time for a lengthy tournament (season), I think that's more fun. After the season is over, you can always pick like the best few and do a playoff type atmosphere game. The reason I am mentioning this is because that's what my club is doing right now. :D


Cool... If my club have that, I will just play with the low level ones, and try to avoid when I am schedule to play the top ones (say, ahhhh... headache today, hmmmm... no time to play next tues...) hehehehehe...

This way, I can't win champ, but very possible have a perfect record... So, i can win "winning percentage" category... hehehehehe..

:p

Originally posted by LazyBuddy
Cool... If my club have that, I will just play with the low level ones, and try to avoid when I am schedule to play the top ones (say, ahhhh... headache today, hmmmm... no time to play next tues...) hehehehehe...

This way, I can't win champ, but very possible have a perfect record... So, i can win "winning percentage" category... hehehehehe..

:p

well if u miss one, you'll have to "make it up" another day. Or I believe you might actually just get a default lost record.

Same as football-they have 9 months (i think) to finish the permier league here in england which doesn't allow enough time for a FA Cup "League". So they do a knock out competition. So if you want a competiton which will last quite a long time, a league would be good, and should be quite close towards the closing stages. On the otherhand, if you want a quick competiton or lots of players (ie FA Cup) then you'll have to do a knock out. Also, if some people are obviously of a higher standard, give them byes through the first few stages so the less good people can still get a good match or two. This happens in the Champions League when you get qualifying stages. Same kinda thing in the UEFA cup where up to a certain stage the dropouts from the Champions League get dumped into the Cup. Sorry about all this football analogy for the people who don't follow European football.