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vince poon
12-01-2000, 06:16 PM
I am a fully grow adult at 5ft 7" and if I had a badminton wish, I wish I was 5 9". With two extra inches I feel my smash is better because of bigger swing, I able to reach drop shot that I usually clip it with the top of the racquet rim. Does the extra height give a player an extras advantage or do they lose alot of quickness? Both Gong and Hendrawan is very short, she is 5ft 4'' and he is 5ft 7" but they both a world class players. Does height equal advantage?

some info:
Sun Jun and Xia 5ft 10"
Taufik Hidayat - 5ft 9"
Peter Gate and Ji - 6ft 0"

Both Poul Eric Larson and Martin Frost have a long career, they both over 6ft, can a player like Taufik Hidayat who status is much shorter play until he is 30?

paul
12-02-2000, 06:21 AM
I think the fact that height is uninmportant is one of the great things about badminton and why it should be recognized as a great sport. A great player can be anything from 5ft 5" to 6ft 5". Having short limbs means you can position your feet quickly and react to shots more quickly. Also shorter players are often more flexible and can reach very well. Gong can defend a down-the-line smash by just streching from her base with a very wide stance. I tried the same movement and I can only just do it (I'm 6ft). I often play with Julia Mann the English number one and she's 5ft 6" and she can reach my smash and attacking clears no problem (not all the time though..he..he).

Being tall gives the advantage of leverage on the smash and reaching high shots earlier. But reaching shots near to the ground is more difficult.

I don't think Yang Yang was very tall...but...one jump from base to the forehand corner.....and bang..(let's face it he was probably the best ever in terms of consistency)

In terms of body type weight affects play more than height. Good players don't usually have heavy frames or too much muscle but of course they have enough of the right type of muscle for explosive speed and endurance.
I wonder what type of track athletes would make the best players. Maybe 800m runners. Any ideas ?

cooler
12-02-2000, 04:54 PM
good topic but it's not that clear cut. I can write a thesis on this subject, it's that comprehensive. Height is just one of many important parameters to consider about the physics of badminton but not the most important one. I have ponder this question too since i started playing badminton many moons ago.

I agreed with Paul that taller players have better reach but their back suffers more stress from repetitive cycles of reaching low and then high shots.

In short, there are advantages and disadvantage being tall badminton players. One have to adjust to their game plan accordingly.

vince poon
12-04-2000, 05:51 PM
I agree that there is advantage and disadvantage being short or tall but I still I think there is a ideal height for this sport. I think Taufik Hidayat has the perfect height at 5ft 9" because he still have a very good angle smash with out a full jump and is extremely quick on the court. Don't you guys think (Paul and cooler) if you guys lose or gain couple inches you guys would be better player?

paul
12-04-2000, 08:14 PM
I wouldn't want to be shorter but if my legs were a bit shoter and my feet not so big (12US) then I'd be faster shuffling around the court.
If I had to pick an optimum height range 5ft 9" to 6ft 1" is best.Does anybody think a player has acheived physical perfection for badminton ? How about Liem Swie King or maybe Zhao? Xie looks incredibly strong but his legs look almost too heavy.

Cheung
12-05-2000, 11:45 PM
I would think Zhao would be a good contender.

But notable exceptions are Yap Kim Hock, Ardy Wiranata, Ong Ewe Hock.

Perhaps being taller helps but for me, better footwork and better technique would be my preference.

May
02-16-2001, 12:29 AM
for smashing, sometimes being shorter is an advantage.

coops241180
12-09-2002, 06:46 AM
Hi guys this thought just came in to my head - maybe it's a bit daft but i'll satisfy my curiousity anyway.

Is it more advantageous to be tall or short in singles?

When i started to think about this i thought height was a major advantage, the long reach and steeper smashes are bound to be match winning characteristics

but then while watching my coach who is less than 5 ft 6 high i occured to me that he is much faster round the court and would also have longer to get under the shuttle since it has to fall further to reach him. This height certainly is of some benefit but what do you guy's think?

Neil

dlp
12-09-2002, 07:19 AM
Height has its advantages , so does being compact.

Look at Burgess, he certainly uses his height to a great advantage and many asian players have great difficulty playing tall Europenas because they simply cannot practice against any tall players.

Amongst English mens singles, from junior to senior we tend to see taller than average players at the top. Looking at the world scene shorter asian players still dominate.

UkPlayer
12-09-2002, 08:02 AM
Shorter players tend to move quite fast because they have to learn footwork from an early age. That's probably why your coach is faster.

Also you get a lower center of gravity so your balance is better.

Another advantage is that it's more difficult to smash or drive into the body of a shorter player. Shorter players have naturally good doubles defence because of this.

Height has more advantage in european countries because the skills focus is biased towards taller players. Not sure whether this is the case in Asian Countries.

I think there are advantages and disadvantages to both so the best thing is to be average ;)

JChen99
12-09-2002, 09:15 AM
Technically, "technicaly" shorter players tend to be faster than taller players because the distance between their body parts are closer to their brain (distance wise) so electrical impulses can travel a shorter distance to and fro the brain (given that both players have the same reflex rate ei. 150 cm/s i forgot the actual figures...) If you do a reflex test this tends to be the results

However, I find it IMPOSSIBLE to play taller players when they're standing up front... so... dont know, it might be a physchological effect tho since they are so big they giv u pressure when playing

Just a thought

coops241180
12-09-2002, 09:27 AM
hmmm seems that there are advantages on both sides. tall players stood at the front should, if they're fast enuf, be able to cut out almost anything that is going past them and if they don't cut it out the lift is high and they have plenty of time to get behind it and smack it. smaller players are defensive players but not by choice obviousley they have to work very hard to win points by stamina and strong defense and tactical play

Neil

jwu
12-09-2002, 09:30 AM
Originally posted by UkPlayer

I think there are advantages and disadvantages to both so the best thing is to be average ;)

Exactly UKp, completely agree with you here. Extreme in either directions are never good. Now comes the question, what is average and ideal height for badminton players then? :D

LazyBuddy
12-09-2002, 09:53 AM
Originally posted by JChen99
However, I find it IMPOSSIBLE to play taller players when they're standing up front... so... dont know, it might be a physchological effect tho since they are so big they giv u pressure when playing



I can see ur point.

However, I believe proper high clear and drives that "into" their body, may help u out. High clear can force them to get back (if their partner are on the exactly opposit side), "body drive" can give tall & big players trouble to move their arm back for defense. Also, if u have a weapon in drop shot, try to create some trouble for them on dropping to their backhand side. However, if they are also control type players, be careful, they have advantage on "reaching".

Qidong
12-09-2002, 12:33 PM
If taller is better, Yao Ming will certainly be the #1 player in the world. :rolleyes:

LazyBuddy
12-09-2002, 12:41 PM
Exactly.

Consider Gong Zhichao is not even 5'5, but she's a legend compare to most of others...

coops241180
12-09-2002, 12:51 PM
I think the ideal height for a badders player is probably 6ft for men, 5ft 8 for women

Neil

jwu
12-09-2002, 12:59 PM
Originally posted by coops241180
I think the ideal height for a badders player is probably 6ft for men, 5ft 8 for women

dang, too bad I am not a woman or else I'll be the ideal height.
:D

bigredlemon
12-09-2002, 01:25 PM
Originally posted by coops241180
I think the ideal height for a badders player is probably 6ft for men, 5ft 8 for women

Woot! I'm right on :cool:
Now if only i had decent footwork :o

bigredlemon
12-09-2002, 01:27 PM
For some reason, i've noticed that when playing doubles, i play better at the front while the shorter person plays at the back. I always though this was weird because it's"supposed" to be the other way around. Now i see its not just with me.

UkPlayer
12-09-2002, 01:29 PM
Well, Yap Kim Hock was one heck of a player...


Yap was probably the shortest male player to be listed in the Top 100 world ranking list, at 161cm. What Yap lacks in height, he makes it up in strong determination and great strategic plays

So no-ones got any excuses for not making it into the top 100 ok. :D

LazyBuddy
12-09-2002, 02:34 PM
Originally posted by UkPlayer


So no-ones got any excuses for not making it into the top 100 ok. :D


Nononon... Height is a factor, same as weight. Short is ok, but if short and fat (like me???), that will be a problem... :( :p

Shoulderpain
12-09-2002, 09:47 PM
I'm just hoping to get into the top 1,000,000,000 before I die. It's important to have a dream, and I will not rest until I reach mine. Also, I've always found tall players (who are also good players) tough to play against because of their long reach. It's sometimes tough to put it past then, and they can really get to shots that others miss.

Qidong
12-09-2002, 10:45 PM
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Originally posted by coops241180
I think the ideal height for a badders player is probably 6ft for men, 5ft 8 for women
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Look at the 2 most dominant female players in recently - Susi Susanti and Gong RC. Both are 5'2". 5'2" should be the ideal height? :D

Kiwiplayer
12-10-2002, 05:22 AM
In my experience, many tall singles players tend to be a little lazy. If they can cover, say for example, 70% of the court without much effort and you only play to that 70%, then they're allowed to be lazy and still beat you. If you can force them to move properly by playing the rest of the court (good length clears, tight net play) then that makes a big difference. Although that's good against any opponents, short or tall, I think it's critical against the tall fellas. Attacking clears have to be adjusted so they're high enough to be out of reach, even though it may sacrifice some speed and aggression. Tall players who are fit and motivated, however, can cause you all sorts of grief.

One thing to be careful of is smashing down the line. Often, it's fairly easy for the tall players to just reach out and flick the return crosscourt, so the recovery after the smash has to be good (as it should always be :)). As mentioned before, tall players are sometimes a little weak near the body, so an option is to play shots at or across their body. Should probably not play that one too often, though, as they don't have to move, and certainly singles is all about maneuvering your opponent around.

I don't know much about playing short players. The only players shorter than me tend to be about 13 :).

cooler
12-10-2002, 05:57 AM
height is only 1 of many variables that make up a talented pro badminton player. Briefly other variables (not all listed) are:

- type of muscles
- body conditioning
- stroke skills
- footwork skills
- last but more importantly, mental toughness/determination that drives all other variables.

UkPlayer
12-10-2002, 01:15 PM
Originally posted by cooler
height is only 1 of many variables that make up a talented pro badminton player. Briefly other variables (not all listed) are:

- type of muscles
- body conditioning
- stroke skills
- footwork skills
- last but more importantly, mental toughness/determination that drives all other variables.

I agrree that is about the size of it (excuse the pun)

zerochillnet
12-10-2002, 07:03 PM
Originally posted by cooler
height is only 1 of many variables that make up a talented pro badminton player. Briefly other variables (not all listed) are:

- type of muscles
- body conditioning
- stroke skills
- footwork skills
- last but more importantly, mental toughness/determination that drives all other variables.

I think that determination is very important in a game of badminton and I pity all those who give up and are sore losers

adamc_72
01-01-2005, 08:34 PM
I was just wondering if there is an ideal height for a badminton player?

I am about 6'2" and was wondering if this is an advantage-disadvantage-or no factor, compared to an 'average' height person?

Thanks a lot,

Adam

RedWeenie
01-01-2005, 11:38 PM
I'm not to sure there is an ideal height for a player, but if your taller you generaly have a longer reach which can help with recieving those down the line shots.

wood_22_chuck
01-01-2005, 11:42 PM
I feel you adamc_72. I see that you're 6' 2" ... which is the perfect height for badminton. Your height enables you to accomplish great reach and develop a style suitable to complement your 6' 2" stature. Now go out there and play good badminton.

-dave

FEND.
01-02-2005, 12:21 AM
I feel you adamc_72. I see that you're 6' 2" ... which is the perfect height for badminton. Your height enables you to accomplish great reach and develop a style suitable to complement your 6' 2" stature. Now go out there and play good badminton.

-dave
lol.

What bout the rest of us 'shorties'

aiyuuw
01-02-2005, 02:03 AM
lol.

What bout the rest of us 'shorties'thank God i dont play,lol:D

Dave18
01-02-2005, 02:40 AM
thank God i dont play,lol:DYou should start when your young. You can still do it.


Adamc_72, as long as your fast. 6'2" is an amazing height. I'm 5'10" and I still feel short.

aiyuuw
01-02-2005, 02:48 AM
You should start when your young. You can still do it.


Adamc_72, as long as your fast. 6'2" is an amazing height. I'm 5'10" and I still feel short.well, its not about age actually, since im only 15(almost), if u're feelin short cos u're 5'10", then u can imagine how i feel (im 5'2"):(

Dill
01-02-2005, 03:50 AM
Q. Tall or short

A. Neither, practice!

FEND.
01-02-2005, 05:21 AM
Q. Tall or short

A. Neither, practice! Right on!!! There's hope for us little guys!!

shawn30_k
01-02-2005, 07:13 AM
den how about me.im only 5ft3.onyl 14 btu i think i will not grow more already:crying: is there anywork out that will enhance my growth as im still young

Ben Beckman
01-02-2005, 11:34 AM
Shorter people may be faster but I think you're just seeing the player look faster because he has to move more to cover the court. A taller player may not look as fast but in fact is moving just as quick, taller players don't need to explode off the blocks they can reach or take one step. Morten Frost looked slow but covered the court easily whereas yang yang looked much faster because he was smaller but I reckon they were just as quick as each other.

Dave18
01-02-2005, 02:38 PM
well, its not about age actually, since im only 15(almost), if u're feelin short cos u're 5'10", then u can imagine how i feel (im 5'2"):(Your a girl, its okay. You still have like 7 years to grow. :D

aiyuuw
01-03-2005, 12:02 AM
Your a girl, its okay. You still have like 7 years to grow. :Dmaybe not that long, i heard for girls we stop growing when we're like 15 or 16

V!nce
01-04-2005, 12:07 AM
maybe not that long, i heard for girls we stop growing when we're like 15 or 16 haha.... true, ouchie tho ;)

i'd say height is a factor, but it can be outweighed by other factors, like footwork, strokes, MT, etc
like dill said, (i paraphrased of course =P) tall or short doesn't matter, it's the amount of practice you put into it
i'm short.... like... 5'6 or maybe 5'7 (not used to the imperial system)
but i've practiced mixed for 3 years
now that i'm playing doubles... like wow.... my partners are usually taller than me *sob* and sometimes i hit them their head, heh, but we do fairly decent
^_^
so practice more and don't rely on your heigh too much :D