The new yonex technology will be unveiled at the All England upcoming. I cannot get a list of which players will be playing with the new tech however I'm sure it will be quite evident as the plans are for a distinct graphic. I will provide more technical based info next week if I get it.

Cheers

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please keep us informed

ok, i'll present my postulation. The Yonex MP is just a stop gap measure while they test and refine this 'new' racquet. Yonex knows that MP is not really that revolutionary and can be copied easily, that's why they stretch the Ti-Mesh and MP technologies as two separate innovation (or marketing initiatives if u want to call them) to buy time and fight off the cloners while they try to perfect the next bigger innovation. I think Yonex had learned how fast cloners can replicate the Ti mesh and MP bumps. I think the next technology that yonex is introducing will be harder to be replicated by cloners because the added manufacturing complexicity. I postulate the new technology to be applied to the frame. Who knows though, the cloners are quite ingenuious from what i have seen so far.

The above is all IMO.

Without any previous knowledge and looking at what is coming down the pipe in tennis from YY. I'd say look for the new tech in the handle and a redesign of the MP. Maybe a new material too.

hmm new material - i wonder if Yonex sponsored Formula 1 do you think they would get some really hi tec super light super strong materials - that would be way cool

Neil

Originally posted by coops241180
hmm new material - i wonder if Yonex sponsored Formula 1 do you think they would get some really hi tec super light super strong materials - that would be way cool

Neil

Nah, they probably hired some of the world's best chemists and physicists to find a new element which is crazy that no one would be able to find out! :)

Originally posted by coops241180
hmm new material - i wonder if Yonex sponsored Formula 1 do you think they would get some really hi tec super light super strong materials - that would be way cool

Neil
well apparently its said that if you make race cars out of carbon graphite, it'd be strng enuff and be realli lite... jus really really expensive so u'll prolly need a huge engine to weigh it down...

from what i remember it's all about composites so i think F1 cars are made from graphite + ? composites, i think they contain all sorts, it wouldn't surpise me if similar materials find their way into badders racquets - on the other hand i imagine the materials used in F1 cars are meant to be rigid and good for heat dissipation, i can't see these properties being very good for badders.

I wonder if yonex finally came up with a plastic racquet - now that would be funny, the price would be dirt cheap

:D

i live in hope

neil

Well, I would not be surprised if their next racquet is made out of magnesium. Karakal's SL70 is 70g and made out of magnesium and Mg is the least dense metal on the periodic table cept it has to be fused with something or else it is really brittle.

hmm, here's a good one - apparently they use Beryllium which has a weight much lower than Magnesium, in space and air craft - wonder if it could be that

N

Originally posted by coops241180
hmm, here's a good one - apparently they use Beryllium which has a weight much lower than Magnesium, in space and air craft - wonder if it could be that

N
Isn't Magnesium and Beryllium pretty reactive?

yeah but they will be built into other materials to make composites - this simply has the effect of lightening the racquet, to be honest i think the most radical solution would be to do research into plastics, this was a very popular thing to do about 15-20 years ago - it was believed that any physical attributes could be gained using plastics. I think it would be very innovative to have a plastic racquet - since it would also probably drop the weight below 60g, if not less

Neil

i just hope whatever material they use will be very durable.

Originally posted by coops241180
to be honest i think the most radical solution would be to do research into plastics, this was a very popular thing to do about 15-20 years ago - it was believed that any physical attributes could be gained using plastics. I think it would be very innovative to have a plastic racquet - since it would also probably drop the weight below 60g, if not less

Neil
Actually I was thinking more into the Biological area for new technologies, say make a racket that's "alive" would be cool! (jus gotta make sure the racket dont hav mouths to chomp at stuff hehe) or jus simply materials made from biological essence(ie the new string made from spider webs)

I heard a while ago they were researching the possibility of using cells(bacterium) instead of copper for the wires in the computer, and DNA for CPU!

It was said that it could speed up computer speed by a few folds, which would be cool! cuz then we can prolly have one of those VR machines and play badminton in VR with other ppl in the world! all u need is a half court designed with chips and a computer program with AI enuff to calculate speed/direction/angle of the VR shuttles without crashing (They definately should NOT get Microsoft to make this program if it ever is going to be designed haha!)

Cheers! :D

hmm strings made from spider silk -now there's an interesting idea - as for the rest, i think thats a bit far off for even yonex to think of, :D

Neil

Btw Eggroll, now that All Englands have started... wut's this new tech ur talkin about? There's nothing on the 2003 catalogue about a new line of rackets...

Originally posted by JChen99
Isn't Magnesium and Beryllium pretty reactive?

If by reactive you mean it will explode if you touch it, then yes it is reactive :D

My highschool chem teacher did a nice demonstration once. Mg works great as an addictive to gunpowder:). 5g of it gives off a great fireworks show if mixed with metal powder mixes too.

Originally posted by coops241180
yeah but they will be built into other materials to make composites - this simply has the effect of lightening the racquet, to be honest i think the most radical solution would be to do research into plastics, this was a very popular thing to do about 15-20 years ago - it was believed that any physical attributes could be gained using plastics. I think it would be very innovative to have a plastic racquet - since it would also probably drop the weight below 60g, if not less

Neil

Are you talking about using the "buckie ball" tube? Not sure if i spelt it right... it was supposed to be used for super light weight racquets but all the research ended up going towards using it as computer chips:rolleyes: :confused:.

Originally posted by JChen99
Actually I was thinking more into the Biological area for new technologies, say make a racket that's "alive" would be cool! (jus gotta make sure the racket dont hav mouths to chomp at stuff hehe) or jus simply materials made from biological essence(ie the new string made from spider webs)

I heard a while ago they were researching the possibility of using cells(bacterium) instead of copper for the wires in the computer, and DNA for CPU!

It was said that it could speed up computer speed by a few folds, which would be cool! cuz then we can prolly have one of those VR machines and play badminton in VR with other ppl in the world! all u need is a half court designed with chips and a computer program with AI enuff to calculate speed/direction/angle of the VR shuttles without crashing (They definately should NOT get Microsoft to make this program if it ever is going to be designed haha!)

Cheers! :D

That CPU process gets it power from parallel processing rather than serial processing as we do now, like giant Beouwolf computer network. It'll crack passwords faster than the most expensive computer but will be slower than a 286 at adding. Since VR relies on serial processing, we'll just have to wait around for intel/amd to find somethign new

Originally posted by JChen99
Btw Eggroll, now that All Englands have started... wut's this new tech ur talkin about? There's nothing on the 2003 catalogue about a new line of rackets...

I hope something revolutionary and not some minor cosmetic modifications.

Originally posted by eggroll
The new yonex technology will be unveiled at the All England upcoming. I cannot get a list of which players will be playing with the new tech however I'm sure it will be quite evident as the plans are for a distinct graphic. I will provide more technical based info next week if I get it.

Cheers

so what's the new yonex technology?

Originally posted by Joseph
so what's the new yonex technology?

Probably a new space-age enginerring method for the racquet to to lighten your wallet.:p j/k. I hope Yonex finally catches up to the 21st century and start making some long stiff 4u racquets with 290-295mm balance point that can take 28lb. Maybe that's just wishful thinking. I can't seem to find any racquet that matches those critera.

I've watched the live telecast for All England Open 2003 semi-finals and finals, but I can't find any new Yonex racquet. In fact, Wajia and Sigat are still using MP90 (they almost like to try new Yonex racquets).

Good thread - I remember posting a question some months ago along a similar line. I always got the feeling that the MP series was a stop-gap for something new. Apart from stringing arches there was no real advantage over the Ti series unless you believe that stuff about Ultimum.

Yonex have often produce racquets at the heavier end of the market. This may suit the world class players but even some of them are playing with lighter racquets now. In England our brand inflight (www.inflightsports.net) hover arounf the mid-80s rather than the 2U weight of 90+. Ashaway also produce very light racquets. I tend to use a head heavy racquet because I have a girly smash. However, my already crap defence is made worse by this. A head heavy, light racquet would really work for me. For me the production of heavy racquets takes away the whole point of using carbon graphite.

I recall at least one manufacturer experimenting with thixotropic liquid. It was definately used in tennis racquets and was favoured among baseliners. The graphite frame was hollow and relatively thin and inside it contained liquid which reacted to impact by turning into a solid. You must have seen TV demonstrations of people pouring a liquid into a bowl and then holding over their heads and it stayed in the bowl. The secret there is as long as you keep hitting the bowl the material will remain in its solid state. This worked in tennis because it prolonged the time the ball and the strings remained in contact, alowing greater spin to be imparted, and meaning that you could hit the ball harder. Because this delay was a function of the frame the players could string tighter.

If I had to guess what was coming next from Yonex I would say it is probably a new form of material for the frame. I think that the MP88 might give use some clues as it was supposed to generate 'effortless power' which of course it did if you have excellent technique and timing and hit the shuttle dead on the sweetspot. Once again referencing Inflight, they claim to have integrated several materials in their frame contruction.

Watching the tennis market is a good way of spotting new technologies that may find there way into badminton, but they are two very different sports - namely players in tennis are limited as to hao hard they can hit the ball because of the physics of keeping the ball in play which is not a problem badminton players have as the hardest shot is the smash where there does not need to be a change in flight in order to keep the shuttle in. Tennis players are therefore required to use spin on most shots and the racquet has to balance this requirement with its potential for power. This is not the case in badminton where power can be built in to a racquet as an independent factor. With this in mind there is another market that attracts a lot of money, which as we all know is probably what holds badminton back, and shares the goal of pure power and that is golf. The aim of handle, shaft and head design is to impart as much power as possible, it is the face of the club that imparts control - either by amount of spin or angle of impact. This makes golf technology particularly applicable to badminton. We shall see...

Ultimately there is a good reason why many top players play with Carbonex and Isometric series and wont touch the newer models. The advertising claims for new racquet technology are infinitely greater than the actual return in term of game improvement.

PS. If you read this far, my apologies for going on too much.;)

Hi all , i was at the all england this week - the new technology was new footwear

bit of a disappointment huh?

Neil

So this is what they're releasing in April? Or is there still some kind of hope that they're releasing the new racquets in April.

So Yonex has a new invisible racket? You cannot see the racket and your opponent cannot see the racket. It makes it extremely difficult to judge the type of stroke used. This is the ultimate deception type racket :D.

Ron

Originally posted by coops241180
Hi all , i was at the all england this week - the new technology was new footwear

bit of a disappointment huh?

Neil

I can't tell if you are serious or not...i can only presume you are joking?

Originally posted by ronk
So Yonex has a new invisible racket? You cannot see the racket and your opponent cannot see the racket. It makes it extremely difficult to judge the type of stroke used. This is the ultimate deception type racket :D.

Ron they could still see your body and arm positions... now invisible clothes... that'd be something!

...invisible clothes...now that would be something, its the ultimate distraction. So how bout a game of mixed doubles? :p

This redefines the term shealth technology.

Ron

Originally posted by Slanter
A head heavy, light racquet would really work for me. For me the production of heavy racquets takes away the whole point of using carbon graphite.

Ultimately there is a good reason why many top players play with Carbonex and Isometric series and wont touch the newer models. The advertising claims for new racquet technology are infinitely greater than the actual return in term of game improvement.



Head heavy, and light? ISO 900 SA, accept no substitutes ;) SS isn't bad either however SR was head heavy enough to slow me down ;P

Originally posted by Slanter
Ultimately there is a good reason why many top players play with Carbonex and Isometric series and wont touch the newer models. The advertising claims for new racquet technology are infinitely greater than the actual return in term of game improvement.

PS. If you read this far, my apologies for going on too much.;)
Very good points in your thread Slanter.

I myself is fairly new to this game, and have picked up smoothly thanks to all the great ppl on this forum, esp Badrad for he had to put up with helping me :D

ne ways, bak on topic, the first "high end" model I first had come in contact with was the MP100 after I destroyed my heavy metal racket.

IMO The whole "Ultimum" thing is not a 100% gimmick, the shaft on the MP100 DOES feel stiffer than the Ti-10SP, however, it is about the same as the Ti-10CP(this might be due to material fatigue however since I've only had the CP for a few weeks)

However, after playing for a yr and some time now, I've settled fully into the Ti-10, I find it more "usable" than the MP100, except for when I'm dead tired (Ti-10s are 2U while MP100 is 3U so it gives me lighter weight)

I think all the expensive equipment does is give you mental strengths/improvements, not so much on the skill side of things

Jus a thought

Hi,

Nope, coops is right. I had a look at all the stools at the All England and there was no new rackets, but the new technology was obviously SHOES. There was a great big stool there that had brand new shoes that Yonex have made, it's even in the programme. I cant scan the image unfortunately, but to me, it appears to be shoes. The brands in the Programme are-

SHB-89 Male and Female.

If i'm not mistaken, these haven't been released?

Matt

SHB89 has been released for months la .... People are waiting for SHB98 to be released on April this year.

Matt, they have been released a few months already in Japan and you can actually order them through Luxis and Emmy.

I doubt the new Yonex Badminton Racquet Technology will come out until Japan Open.

Originally posted by Matt Ross
Hi,

Nope, coops is right. I had a look at all the stools at the All England and there was no new rackets, but the new technology was obviously SHOES. There was a great big stool there that had brand new shoes that Yonex have made, it's even in the programme. I cant scan the image unfortunately, but to me, it appears to be shoes. The brands in the Programme are-

SHB-89 Male and Female.

If i'm not mistaken, these haven't been released?

Matt

Ricky,

Did you get my messages?

Hi,

But i meant over here, i dont think the have been released over here? (i dont keep up with Yonex)

Matt

Originally posted by Matt Ross
Hi,

But i meant over here, i dont think the have been released over here? (i dont keep up with Yonex)

Matt

Yes, yes but you guys are at least 6 months behind even with Ashaway ;)

The new raquets were not ready for tournament play. The technology is still being tweaked. A few players play tested the raquets just before the All Englands but Yonex wants to get it right.

Originally posted by eggroll
The new raquets were not ready for tournament play. The technology is still being tweaked. A few players play tested the raquets just before the All Englands but Yonex wants to get it right.
COOL :D
but wait... does that mean ONLY the players get their hands on the first batch? :D

Eggroll, Spill the beans and fill us in on the latest technology. We promise we are not corporate spies and will not tell the competition. Is my fantasy dream racket here -- one that I can use to beat Chen Hong in singles even though I am 100 levels below him? Do tell as soon as possible :).

Ron

LOL...footwear?! ....wow all the excitement...went down the drain...hahahaha hmm well maybe in a while...i heard they might make a ti swing power with muscle power...hmm yea that would be intresting...and combining it with the supposed "ultimum ti" gimmick...i have an mp 77 and i do not see a difference...maybe sometimes u can feel a snap but...naw haha

ultimum swing muscle...

LOL...yea exactly...
ultimum swing power muscle 100

Dear Eggroll,

Is that the V-con apply on the badminton??

Anyway, I just want a new technology for Yonex rackets with longer life.:p

Hmmm... I wonder if rackets can get that much better. Better, yes, but no revolution. Strings on the other hand, why not some new amazing spiderweb string that cant "die"? :)

Originally posted by Framerate
Hmmm... I wonder if rackets can get that much better. Better, yes, but no revolution. Strings on the other hand, why not some new amazing spiderweb string that cant "die"? :)

You mean you'll never need to restring coz it grows back if you fray it, and
it continuously heals itself back to the tension it was originally strung at?
You'd have to feed it though, somehow...

Then there's that liquid that becomes a solid on impact... maybe we'll start
hearing about leaky or swishy (noisy) racquets instead...

Hmm... maybe if that liquid is used to moisturize the strings as well as in the
frame, we can get super-high tensions on impact... Head has that fibre that
stiffens on impact (used in their tennis racquets), maybe that would work too...