Bam - please fire misbun and rashid sidek

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  1. chris-ccc

    chris-ccc Regular Member

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    Sacking players or coaches is not as easy as what the thread starter thinks

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    In this discussion, we need to talk about these 2 points;

    * The players of a country get to represent for their country because they are the best in their country. We don't sack them just because they fail to perform well at tournaments. If they are still the best in their country, they should remain representing for their country.

    * The coaches of a country get a contract to coach for a fixed/stated period of time. We don't sack them when results are not good. We are only able to not renew their contracts when their contracts expire.

    So, sacking players and/or coaches is not as simple as what the thread starter thinks.
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  2. Dato A

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    A day after MAS lost to Thai.

    NSC :'' Hey, what happened to our badminton? We lost to Thailand bro.''

    BAM :'' ..............................................

    Rashid :'' ...........................................

    Player A :'' I was laosai, fever and flu. If u dont believe, ask Misbun.

    Player B :'' I am new without experience mah, lost is normal what....

    Player C & D :'' We thanks to TKH. We will be back. Our dream is to be World Champion although we failed miserably''.

    NSC :'' Ok lah. Since everyone has excuses, we forgive you all lah. Lets go yumcha.''

    Yes. It is hard to do the sacking activity......
     
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    But you do realize "sacking" them all at one go will create a void and a situation on the ops and admin level both that will be even more dangerous to the health of the sport. I mean, you don't need to be over 14 to know that.

    It also sounds like you want to include the players in the "sack." Who exactly did you have in mind to fill that void as well? Like it or not, most of the present players made their way to where they are through a process of elimination, and most of them could well be the best you have to work with at the moment! :) Also, you interview a player, and you will mostly get what they think is the correct and politically acceptable thing to say. They are not going to really speak their minds! ;):)

    I won't pretend that there is no justification in your criticism; there must be, because a lot of people feel that "something is rotten" at BAM. But to simply criticize or suggest extreme measures is to fall into the trap of doing exactly the thing that will only make it worse. "Sacking" coaches and players is IMO very like shooting the messenger for the message. Like "a friend" said in the movie "Disclosure," the coaches and players "are not the problem. Fix the problem."

    Lastly, if you can petition BAM to do something constructive and corrective, why not do just that: set up a petition? It could actually be constructive because it will create some pressure at the top. At least, I would hope so! :)

    Again, this is just my 2 cents. But what do I know???
     
  4. jimbo

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    By judging on pool of young talents from China team (esp the Men Singles), it's quite worrying for countries like MAS to catch up... even their junior players (quite unknown to me, so I call them "junior") can beat Lee Hyun Ill and NTM (Vietnam)... and Chen Long (CHN) beat Park SH...

    It's sad that we do not have the pool of young talents here in MAS... so we got no choice but to rely heavily on the old horses like LCW, WMC and the underperform Mr.Habis Hashim... not forgetting those the so called "elite" back up players...

    I think the young guns from THAI and INA are doing pretty well in the recent tournaments... happy for them... still BOLEH?
     
  5. Dato A

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    #183

    It's CHRISCCC who come out with the 'sacking player' idea, not me. Refer post #181.

    I wonder why there is no one to be held responsible for the lost of MAS TEAM to Thailand at AG10?

    There's even no official statement from BAM and the person-in-charged, i.e. Rashid Sidek about the TRAGEDY?

    Everyone will come out to show their monkey face when our shuttlers has won something. But when lost, where are they?

    Argument about who groomed DLCW is useless. Just let Misbun to take all the credits and i think ppl will stop arguing.

    I am only a badminton fan. Maybe I see the wrong thing. Sidek's brother should stay at BAM for the good of MAS shuttlers.

    I am waiting for the day Thai and Vietnam is ahead of MAS. Just like what has happened to MAS Football.

    Malaysia Boleh!
     
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    The sacking of coaches/players is not a solution to improve Badminton for a nation

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    IMHO, Badminton Thailand has already arrived on level with Malaysia. For Vietnam, it could take a few more years.

    I wonder how many coaches/players Thailand has sacked in order for Thailand to catch up with Malaysia? :confused::confused::confused:

    If the answer is none, then it could be said that the sacking of coaches/players is not a solution to improve Badminton for a nation.
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    To answer your question, most likely the MAS system is not based on meritocracy... If one day Thai and Vietnam overtake MAS in badminton, that will be a tragedy in MAS badminton history... still BOLEH???
     
  8. Dato A

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    Thailand did it once when they manage to beat MAS in the recent AG10 team event.

    I guess they can did it again in future.

    Congrats to thailand badminton team. Keep it on.

    As well as MAS, keep the coach, the elite-backup, the old-horses, the magnificent management and the system.
     
  9. Dato A

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    Maybe you can tell us the history of Thailand badminton team and how they arrived at such level, as same as MAS.
     
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    yes, you know something and the right petition can do some wonders

    but must be in the right place and the right time.

    the thread starter obviously loves baddy and probably he is lost by now.

    he was looking for answers why malaysia badminton is lagging behind,

    to him they should win being at the very top means winning all majors,

    i see this as nothing wrong as my views would be the same

    but when i see it at another angle,

    i see this as not our failure, simply, others improved more than us.

    time has changed so better buckle up

    its gonna be a hard ride!
     
  11. extremenanopowe

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    It just shows that there is a little winny bit of boleh. so the expectation is higher from now on.

    Looking at it, should be boleh wan... dono why, tak boleh... ;)

    jo boleh, so boleh, ae boleh, fo boleh... now all of a sudden tak boleh... where have all the boleh come from. Still got boleh. so boleh.. ;)
     
  12. chris-ccc

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    It's 8 boleh-vs-2 tak boleh

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    So, it's 8 boleh-vs-2 tak boleh. :D:D:D
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    lol... haha,, I didn't expect it to be purfect 10 bolehs.. ;)
     
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    Perfect 10.

    I rather see DLCW win the AG Gold medal and Worls Championship.....
     
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    I hope LCW can be more focus next time, rather than attend all the super series, just focus on new major titles such as world championship, all england. Well, Misbun so far did a good job. But Malaysia need to attract more famous trainer such as LiMao. See what Korea can achieve in Uber cup after hiring LiMao. Now heard that he is leaving to Indonesia, How I wish he can come back to Malaysia again to train our players...
    http://badmintonclip.blogspot.com/
     
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    its yonex and sponsors obligation for him to participate in so many tournaments sometimes..
     
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    Less tournaments = less $$$ ==> how to buy another GTR? lolx :)
     
  18. pBmMalaysia

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    no more gtr, its gtr 2:D
     
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    Going back to Post #1;

    Misbun Sidek could have read this thread; he resigned on 31-Dec-2010;

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/showthread.php?93049-Misbun-quits-as-national-singles-coach
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    lolx... Dato A's new year wish came true? haha... BOLEH...!!!!
     

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