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2011 Hong Kong Open, what if .....

Discussion in 'Hong Kong Open / China Open 2011' started by AlanY, Nov 7, 2011.

  1. AlanY

    AlanY Regular Member

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    Follow on the thread (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/for...036-2011-French-Open-what-if-.....) regarding qualification for OLY next year; this is the MS top of table at week 26 of 52 just before the HK Open.

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    [TD="align: right"]7
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    [TD="align: right"]2
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    [TD]DEN
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    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade
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    [TD="align: right"]55912
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
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    [TD="align: right"]3
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]55576
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]4
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
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    [TD]Chen Long
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    [TD="align: right"]55320
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
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    [TD="align: right"]5
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]55200
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]6
    [/TD]
    [TD]JPN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]53326
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD]VIE
    [/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49259
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Wang Zhengming
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]39290
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [TD]KOR
    [/TD]
    [TD]Lee Hyun Il
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]38920
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [TD]GER
    [/TD]
    [TD]Marc Zwiebler
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37946
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    [/TD]
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    [/TABLE]

    PG is at No 2 with 700 points ahead of CJ at No 5; both are seeded to meet at the QF stage. Barring any injuries I’m expecting CJ who is 10 years younger and has a head to head record of 7-3 against PG to win this QF battle. On the top half of the draw LCW is seeded to meet LD at the SF stage. LD has a much superior head to head against LCW, even more so for the matches in China/HK. They had played 7 times so far and it was a total whitewash and I expect LD to win this one as well.

    Scenario 1, CJ to beat PG and into the final.

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    [TD]MAS
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    [TD]Lee Chong Wei
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    [TD="align: right"]70617
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    [TD="align: right"]8
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    [TD="align: right"]2
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]64776
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]3
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]63000
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]4
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]61740
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]5
    [/TD]
    [TD]DEN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]60953
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]6
    [/TD]
    [TD]JPN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]53326
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD]VIE
    [/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49259
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Wang Zhengming
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]39290
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [TD]KOR
    [/TD]
    [TD]Lee Hyun Il
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]38920
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [TD]GER
    [/TD]
    [TD]Marc Zwiebler
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37946
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Scenario 2, CJ to beat PG and into the SF.

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    [TD="align: right"]1
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    [TD]MAS
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    [TD]Lee Chong Wei
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    [TD="align: right"]70617
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    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]2
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]64776
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]3
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]63120
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]4
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]61620
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]5
    [/TD]
    [TD]DEN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]60953
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]6
    [/TD]
    [TD]JPN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]53326
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD]VIE
    [/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49259
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Wang Zhengming
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]39290
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [TD]KOR
    [/TD]
    [TD]Lee Hyun Il
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]38920
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [TD]GER
    [/TD]
    [TD]Marc Zwiebler
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37946
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Scenario 3, PG to beat CJ at the QF.

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    [TD="align: right"]1
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    [TD]MAS
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    [TD]Lee Chong Wei
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    [TD="align: right"]70617
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    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
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    [TD="align: right"]2
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]64776
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    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]3
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]63120
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]4
    [/TD]
    [TD]DEN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]62333
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]5
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]60240
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]6
    [/TD]
    [TD]JPN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]53326
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]7
    [/TD]
    [TD]VIE
    [/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49259
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]8
    [/TD]
    [TD]CHN
    [/TD]
    [TD]Wang Zhengming
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]39290
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]9
    [/TD]
    [TD]KOR
    [/TD]
    [TD]Lee Hyun Il
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]38920
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]10
    [/TD]
    [TD]GER
    [/TD]
    [TD]Marc Zwiebler
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]37946
    [/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [/TD]
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    Both scenarios 1 and 2 will put all 3 CHN MS ahead of PG after this tournament. Scenario 3 is probably the worst situation for CHN to field all 3 MS next year, even that is only 2000 points between PG and CJ!
     
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  2. AlanY

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    WS is quite interesting as well.

    This is the table at the top before the HK Open.

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    [TD]Wang Xin[/TD]
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    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Yihan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]58050[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD]GER[/TD]
    [TD]Juliane Schenk[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56374[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD]IND[/TD]
    [TD]Saina Nehwal[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56057[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD]TPE[/TD]
    [TD]Cheng Shao Chieh[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]51467[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Shixian[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50067[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Tine Baun[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49017[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD]TPE[/TD]
    [TD]Tai Tzu Ying[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]47847[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
    [TD]KOR[/TD]
    [TD]Sung Ji Hyun[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44841[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [TD]JPN[/TD]
    [TD]Sayaka Sato[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44640[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
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    WSX is hitting a bad patch at the moment and hopefully it will turn around soonest. If they are all playing to their seeding suggested the table after HK Open will look like this;

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    [TD] No of tournaments[/TD]
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    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Xin[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]71214[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Yihan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]67250[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD]IND[/TD]
    [TD]Saina Nehwal[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]58877[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Shixian[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]57867[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD]GER[/TD]
    [TD]Juliane Schenk[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]57564[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD]TPE[/TD]
    [TD]Cheng Shao Chieh[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]53787[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Tine Baun[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]52387[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD]TPE[/TD]
    [TD]Tai Tzu Ying[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]47847[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
    [TD]KOR[/TD]
    [TD]Sung Ji Hyun[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44841[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [TD]JPN[/TD]
    [TD]Sayaka Sato[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44640[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
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    For the first time CHN has 3 WS in the top 4.
     
  3. dwinski

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    Excellent infos Bro! Many thanks. What about the Men's Doubles?
     
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    Anyone pay attention to Wang Zhengming?

    I watched few games of his this year, I think this kid has potential. His height is 1.83m. He is quick, as explosive as Lin Dan, his defense is pretty good. However, he has many unforced errors. Give him couple of years, he will be a force.

    I watched few games of Chen Long as well. Boy, he is so much better now. I think he is probably better than LCW now. Usually for a tall player, he is slower, but that's not the case for Chen Long. Chen long is lightening fast, and his defense is just as good as LCW, who has the best defense in the world.

    3 top guys, LD, CL, LCW. I think CL is slightly better than LCW. As for LD, I don't know how good he is now. Maybe LD is indeed on the decline, or maybe he is just hiding his capability.
     
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    As expected, Chen Jin delivered when it mattered and eliminated PG at QF. Just like 2008 Thomas Cup SF won the last single played while injured.
    After the HK Open all LYB’s 3 golden boys will be ahead of PG for the OLY qualification.
     
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    As expected, the whitewash against LCW continues.
     
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    Here are the OLY points at the top for the MS and WS after HK Open, for the first time CHN has fulfilled the maximum 3 MS and WS. It looks quite rosy at the moment but still has 1 final hurdle as far as the MS is concerned, the SS Finals in December. The finals are for the top 8 with a caveat that only 2 maximum from each country. So, PG should be back to the top 4 after the SSF. What CHN needed is to send the one missed out on the SSF to a GP Gold t’ment and pick up the 7000 points instead.

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    [TD]MAS[/TD]
    [TD]Lee Chong Wei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]70617[/TD]
    [TD]8[/TD]
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    [TD]2[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]64776[/TD]
    [TD]9[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]3[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]63000[/TD]
    [TD]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]4[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]61740[/TD]
    [TD]9[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]5[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]60953[/TD]
    [TD]9[/TD]
    [/TR]
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    [TD]Sho Sasaki[/TD]
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    [TD]VIE[/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]49259[/TD]
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    [TD]Marc Zwiebler[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]39326[/TD]
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    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Xin[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]73994[/TD]
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    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Yihan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]64470[/TD]
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    [TD]IND[/TD]
    [TD]Saina Nehwal[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]57497[/TD]
    [TD]11[/TD]
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    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Shixian[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56487[/TD]
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    [TD]GER[/TD]
    [TD]Juliane Schenk[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]56374[/TD]
    [TD]12[/TD]
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    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Tine Baun[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]55147[/TD]
    [TD]11[/TD]
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    [TD]7[/TD]
    [TD]TPE[/TD]
    [TD]Cheng Shao Chieh[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]53787[/TD]
    [TD]13[/TD]
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    [TD]8[/TD]
    [TD]TPE[/TD]
    [TD]Tai Tzu Ying[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]47847[/TD]
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    CJ takes the credit for taking out PG in the quarter. and CL takes credit for losing to CJ in the semi.

    the Chinese plan seems to be coming together now.
     
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    not tried to blow one's own trumpet.
    aren't those 2 tables look very similar?

     
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    Would be impressed if you only listed one scenario and stated that this would be it. Otherwise, predict enough outcomes and one will come true ;p
     
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    this whole charade is to prevent chinese from winning. y change the rules in the first place.:rolleyes:
     
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    I have to point out that sometime numbers cheat, especially without fully understanding the number.

    There are some issues with CJ's points and some fatal weakness in his draw positions. For example, comparing CJ's sum of 10 with PG's sum of 9, is not fair. The fact is, still, that CJ's the points strength is not as strong as PG's.

    As I worried, after Japan open, that LD could be one of the 4 biggest obstacles hindering CJ. It's verified at both French open and Hong Kong open.
     
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    PG might be a tournament behind and 3000 points behind which he should catch up with an extra tournament, but it just requires CJ to outperform his old performance in another tournament to win, doesn't it? It shouldn't be difficult with help for China. Win a title to replace a QF position or something. Of course he has to make sure that he doesn't get bundled out of the early rounds.
     
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    CJ collected many QF points 5090 because of his 5th seed, while PG got too many SF points 6450. A the #4 seed, PG always enjoys easy ride to the SF. The real gap between the good points of Cj and Pg are huge. In the future, pg will continue enjoying his easy ride to the semi final, while cj has to fight hard against ld,lcw,cl in the quieter finals.

    pg is in a much better position for both the existing points and future draws.
     
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    Thanks to Alan building the route for CJ to the Olympics. Let's see how CJ executes Alan's plan (the first SS after Alan's plan):


    [TABLE="class: cms_table_grid"]
    [TR]
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    [TR="class: cms_table_grid"]
    [TD][/TD]
    [TD]P Gade[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin[/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long[/TD]
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    [TR="class: cms_table_grid"]
    [TD]China Open[/TD]
    [TD]QF[/TD]
    [TD]W[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
    [TD]RU[/TD]
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    [TD]SSF[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
    [TD]QF[/TD]
    [TD]QF[/TD]
    [TD]W[/TD]
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    [TD]Korean[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
    [TD]QF[/TD]
    [TD]RU[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
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    [TD]All England[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
    [TD]QF[/TD]
    [TD]W[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
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    [TD]Hong Kong[/TD]
    [TD]SF -> QF [/TD]
    [TD]W -> RU[/TD]
    [TD]-> W[/TD]
    [TD]RU -> SF[/TD]
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    [TR="class: cms_table_grid"]
    [TD]Malaysia[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
    [TD]RU[/TD]
    [TD]QF[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
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    [TR="class: cms_table_grid"]
    [TD]India[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
    [TD]SF[/TD]
    [TD]W[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
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    [/TD]
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    Alan might predict LD skip or wo at HK, instead LD won the title.

    Alan predicted PG SF and CJ the winner, actually they were in the same semi which mean only 1 of them can advance to the sei. So PG is just a QF, and CJ ended up RU. Very close. prediction for CJ

    Since PG has so many 6450 points, so he doesn't need SF in SS. He needs SF in SSP which is 7700 points. Alan knew that, so he gave PG only QF at China open. But PG has an easy draw at China open, he would collect his 7700 points easily by beating Taufic.

    CJ failed to win HK open (predicted by Alan). Can CJ do it at China open? He has to square off with CL in quarter final, it sounds difficult to win at least in my opinion.

    Without winning any title, without wining against any top 5 players, PG did pretty good at SSP. He collected his biggest points 9350 at Ina by defeating SS, and 7700 points at Denmark by defeating Zwiebler.

    CJ did defeat LD, CL and PG and also won the Singapore, but his highest point from SSP is only 6050. That's the huge distance between him and PG.

    China open will automatically grant PG another 7700 points for his reserver SF position. CJ could end up the same 6050 points which is useless.

    CJ has to keep collecting 7000+ points to stay alive; while PG just needs 1 or 2 7000+ points to shut down CJ completely.

    Most people believe that China can get whatever they want by fixing the game. Actually, the reality is that China fixing the game because they CANNOT get what they want.

    People thought China can get anything once they have the home court advantage. But the reality is that the draw was drawn by BWF's "magic" software.

    Just check the draw, we already know that it's impossible that CJ, CL and LD won the top 3 positions at China open. That's the perfect example I said the power of draw. No matter how strong those players are, how dirty China play their tricks, how bad China cheats, they just simply cannot get that results. Most specifically, only 1, either CJ or CL, not both can advance passing the quarter final. At least one of them (CJ, CL) can earn no more than 6000 points at China open.

     
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    Don't forget that at Super Series Final, only 2 players from China can play. If Chen Jin is not entered, there goes his chances to collect 7000+ points easily. Meanwhile, PG most likely would be in semi final in Super Series final.
     
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    Yes.. the BWF rules and awarded qualification points for SSF is quite unfair for CJ, PD, WZM !! But If CJ wins CO and Korean GP I think he can pull it of anyway. and I think MO + AE 2012 is also a possibility to get more points than PG
     
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    what's the qualification for SSF? Please advise.

    BTW, the BWF is the most discrimination orgranization I have never seen before. Under those discriminative rules, there's no way to go professional for the sport.
     
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    Top 8 Superseries ranking, but maxmim two finalist per country so Chen Jin Pengyu Du, Wang Zhenming are not allowed in final, as LD and CL has collected more points, even though they qualify in top 8 on the SuperSeries total point table.. So they are not allowed by BWF to play the final, which gives a huge amount of BWF ranking points even to the lossers of the 8.man tournament. They are therefore shut out form these world-ranking points that will be avarded to less skilled players due to the rules.

    I think it is Ok that they limit the finals to two per country, but if they do that they should not award big world-ranking points to the "eligable"players. that makes a mockery of their whole ranking system imop.. If the idea is that the ranking should somewhat reflect players strength in playing badminton, at least :D
     
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