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2013 Controversies at Korean Open - forced withdrawals

Discussion in 'General Forum' started by Thuan Keat, Jan 8, 2013.

  1. latecomer

    latecomer Regular Member

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    Top seeds withdrawal are good news for the rest of the field, it gives them a bigger chance to fight for the titles, to play one more round, to get more exposure, rather than watching from the sidelines. In the end , a title is a title even without, LD, LCW,CL,LX. Beside, I am tired of seeing the same names winning the titles times after times, plus, if players do not want to play, let them not to play. It is not fair for the remaining players who still giving their best trying to adding an title to their resume. Don't let them feel they are second tier players, anybody who love badminton should focus on the field than wasting time on those absentees.
     
  2. alana07

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    you break the rules, according to the rules thrmselves.....
     
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    this!!!

    if you set up a stupid rule, people will react accordingly!
    if players have to show up even if they don't want to play, they will show up and throw the match.
    it's just a stupid rule! players should be allowed to decide whether they want to play a certain tournament or not! give them incentives to go there and play, not fines if they don't go there!

    it's been the same with the olympics: stupid incentives -> stupid reactions!
     
  4. hcyong

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    No one broke any rules, but the spirit of competition in badminton suffered another hit.

    Team orders suck.
     
  5. bdfreak87

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    Maybe they retired due to injury (minor element), to avoid paying penalty and also to be the sparring partner for their teamates
     
  6. dieter_spath

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    I think everyone should blame BWF and it's stupid rules. You can never force a player to particiapte any matches by fines if he/she is not interested at all. They may really have injuries or some minor ones. The prize is rather low compared with tennis. The points for ranking is not enough. Even a player reaches semi he/she only gets nearlly same points as in GPG. GPG, of course, less intense than superseries primer.
     
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    if cba is out of badminton for one year,what will happen?
    happy ending?sad ending?haha
     
  8. Loh

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    If you were LYB ...

    It is sad to see so many retirements of China's top class players, a few of whom are likely to win their respective events in this tournament if they are in their best form.

    But the players may actually be harbouring an injury but are forced to play because of current BWF penalty rules for absence. If so they are unlikely to perform at their best and most likely will lose in the early rounds. BWF doctors are supposed to confirm the players' injury condition before allowing withdrawals and retirements. This rule must have been met otherwise no official retirement is allowed. In this particular case, fans may unwittingly take it as LYB making a fool of BWF, but what he did was well within the rules it seems.

    If you were in LYB's chief coach shoes, what would you do?

    1. Retain the injured players at home to rest and recuperate and be prepared to pay a heavy fine?

    2. Obey the BWF rules and let the injured players go through the motion and apply the retirement rule to safeguard the status quo, and pay less for the 'misadventure"?

    3. Fans will naturally be disappointed, but is it fair to let the injured players suffer in pain and lose their matches ultimately and not regain their fitness in time for other tournaments?

    In this Korea Open it must be assumed that the China retirements are authentic unless proven to be otherwise.

    Maybe as suggested, BWF should study their existing rules more in-depth and introduce something less objectionable, more considerate and more practical in the interest of players, officials, countries, sponsors and fans.

    It would appear that the current rules on this matter do not find general acceptance with member countries or at least with the most prolific badminton nation - China.
     
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    But if you withdraw from an obligatory tournament before it has started, because you are injured, surely there is then no fine? I thought the fine was just if you skip it for no reason. I think it's bad if the fines apply also when the player is injured.

    Obligatory tournaments is necessary for the tour to secure that we have tournaments where all the top players show up. 6 of them in 1 year is really not too much to ask for.
     
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    The big deal is that it looks weird with all these matches getting underway and then have the players withdraw. It's bad for the tournament since the spectators get disappointed. It would be preferable to withdraw before the tournament starts and the empty spots can be fillled up by other players. But if there are fines to pay even when a player is injured, I understand that they do what they need to avoid these fines. Bad system.
     
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    To LYB, BWF competitions are nothing as you can see what he has done in most of the bwf super series including the premiers.
    Let's look at this, all the moves and plans from China team only have one objective - to get as many gold+silver as they can in the Olympics.

    Therefore, the most powerful tool (or punishment) against them is to ban them from taking part in the Olympics.
     
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    But if you withdraw from an obligatory tournament before it has started, because you are injured, surely there is then no fine?

    The stupid BWF rule says, you will still be fined!

    According to the rule, a top player must participate an obligatory tournament no matter what happended. but if you participate and then withdraw, it's okay.

    what an absurd and stupid rule! I have totally no words about it. Only a crazy man could write a rule like this. BWF are just treating players as slaves.
     
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    LYB is not a decent person in many people's eyes, but BWF is not well organized either. In an interview, LYB once said BWF never listen to China's advices. Before OG, Chinese national team send their concerns about group stage in OG, BWF would not listen at all. LYB and most of top chinese players have complained many times that there are too many tournaments for players, they are getting tired and the probability to get injured is very high, BWF would not listen either. So which one should we blame? LYB or BWF?

    There were never any kind of rules go for China if we look it carefully. Interestingly, what BWF had ever done is to make players from other country become so inferior to top chinese players. Why? Because there are just too many chinese players and to many people studying badminton, they can adapt new rules easier than others. If we look into the situation of table tennis (or PingPang), the same thing is happenning, after so many rules changed, China now become the only powerhouse.

    OG gold medal, of course, is LYB's final goal so far. But back to 1976, China was not allowed to participate OG. And BWF would not adopt the membership of China. China then decided build their own association along with some neighboring countries and even held a "world cup" badminton tournament. BWF thought that it was a great threat and then had to adopt China as a member. I just hope BWF won't let it happen again.
     
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    How many of you brainiacs have even bothered to read the rules? :rolleyes:

    Complaining without substance smh ...
     
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    That is just categorically incorrect ...
     
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    So you are saying that there is no fine when withdrawing beforehand citing injury?
     
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    There IS fine! No fine only if withdraw before draw is made, as per the rules. For top 10 players/pairs, even if injured, must attend promo activities organised by BWF to avoid the USD5,000 fine.
     
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    8. PLAYER COMMITTMENT
    8.1 Players occupying the top 10 places in the BWF World Ranking list of a specified date (BWF Super Series Guidelines) in Men’s Singles, Women’s Singles, Men’s Doubles, Women’s Doubles and Mixed Doubles will be required to play in all BWF Premier Superseries Tournaments and a minimum of 4 BWF Superseries events occurring in the full Calendar year, further details and penalties for failing to fulfill this obligation are outlined in Appendix D.
     
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    1.3 Failure to play in any BWF Superseries Premier, by a player committed to the BWF Superseries Premier via the BWF World ranking (as 1.1 and 1.2 above) will be considered a breach of Competition regulations and in addition to General Competition Regulations 31. Penalties – 31.2 Withdrawal Offence will receive a US$ 5,000 additional penalty over and above normal withdrawal fees. In addition, BWF will have the right to consider further penalties after consideration by the Disciplinary Committee.

    1.4 Exemption from the additional penalty (as in 1.3 above) will be considered by BWF on receipt of a valid Medical Certificate. The said player will be required to attend the tournament they have failed to play in for a minimum of 2 days and take part in any media event arranged by BWF during that time. BWF have the right to waive this obligation if medical conditions prevent travel.

    1.7 Failure to play in the minimum number of BWF Superseries tournaments, by a player committed to the BWF Superseries via the BWF World ranking (as in 1.5 and 1.6 above) will be considered a breach of Competition regulations and in addition to General Competition Regulations 31. Penalties – 31.2 Withdrawal Offence will receive a US$ 5,000 additional penalty over and above normal withdrawal fees. In addition, BWF will have the right to consider further penalties after consideration by the Disciplinary Committee.

    1.71.8 Exemption from the additional penalty (in 1.7 above) will be considered by BWF on receipt of a valid Medical Certificate. The said player will be required to attend the tournament they have failed to play in for a minimum of 2 days and take part in any media event arranged by BWF during that time. BWF have the right to waive this obligation if medical conditions prevent travel.

    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/file_download.aspx?id=422719&tid=1
    http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=21711

    Pls take some time & effort to look thru BWF website.
     
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  20. bad's fan

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    Btw, why are people always complaining at china team? when china team didn't listen to BWF, people complain. and now, even when china team obeying BWF's rule, people still complain. it's BWF's rule that top players must attending SSP (and China team already did it well. nearly all of their top players coming, except one Mr. Don't-even-care :D). even if being injured, they must show up on the venue for promotional activities and other (again, the players already did it well. they even show up on the court itself!).

    There was one opinion by one member here that pretty well said: no LD = no badminton, this kind of thinking must be changed. i agree with that. and BWF also need to consider this opinion. no top players = no good badminton, this kind of thinking must be changed too. we still could have a lot of attractive and good games/matches of badminton if the participants are the players that ready to fight and interested for the title.

    About badminton destructions as a sport, BWF's rule which asking the top players to show up if don't wanna be fined is one of the contributing factor for that to happen. and people should not only targetting china team on this issue. you all should still remember 2012 SSFinals? it's not only chinese players that played badly there, but also another country players. and why? because BWF wants them to play, even when they don't want to, for any personal reason. if the top players indeed not interested to play a tournament (let it because injuries, major or minor one; doesn't prepared enough, have another important things to do, etc) then let them choose not to participate and give the empty slots to players who really want and interested to play. if BWF still stay with it rules like they have now, then maybe we'll still see some boring and awful matches like some in 2012 SSFinals', also more WDN, either it's because 'real' injuries or not one.
     

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