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2016 XiamenAir AUSTRALIAN Open Superseries : Qualifying & R/32 (7th & 8th June)

Discussion in 'Indonesia Open / Australian Open 2016' started by CLELY, Jun 6, 2016.

  1. Nine Tailed Fox

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    Toni Kroos could be the Euro 2016- Player of the Tournament.
     
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    The interesting thing about the World Ranking System is that although WC/OG carries highest ranking point, it actually matters less when it comes to the overall World Ranking. Sounds illogical? The thing is that WC/OG is the ONLY level one individual tournament that can be counted towards the World Ranking; but the ranking point difference is not that many compared with SSP. On the other hand, if you look at Tennis, Grand Slam offers ranking points twice as many as Masters 1000. Let's do the math and clarify what I mean.

    A player can pretty much reach top rank without playing in WC/OG; but he cannot reach top rank without doing well in most of SSP/SS tournaments.

    Let's put it in a hypothetical scenarios. Andy won 5 SSPs, 1 SSF, and 4 SS. Jason won WC, runner-up in 5 SSPs, runner-up in SSF, won 3 SS. Assume that neither of them played in team competition.

    Andy would have the total ranking points of 102,800. Jason, the reigning World Champion, would have the total ranking points of 91500.

    That is why on http://bwfbadminton.com/how-ranking-works/, it claims that World Ranking is the ranking of Open Events; even though, strictly speaking, WC/OG carries highest ranking points and counts toward world ranking.

    Hence, it's not wrong to say SSP is the de facto grand slam of badminton. That's also why LCW can top the world ranking for so long. He did play in WC/OG and reached several finals there.

    Realistically speaking, winning 5 SSPs, one SSF, and 4 SS in a season is pretty amazing; it's almost like impossible feat.

    That's also the reason why BWF requires reigning OG/WC champion to be in top 20 to be eligible for possible wild card for SSF, assuming no higher-ranked players from Superseries Standing in his country. Because it's entirely possible that he is ranked lower than 20.
     
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    Usually then the bonus will be given out accordingly to their budget. For example maybe they will get USD 50,000 each.

    Our government allocated 10 million USD as their budget for Rio Olympics bonus, so 500,000 USD is a reasonable number. 10 million USD is the amount they (KONI Pusat) spent on Rio Haryanto alone for his F1 venture and that only covers 40% of the needed 25 million USD where he had to look for sponsors elsewhere to cover for everything.
     
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    I wasn't the one who brought it up if you read through page 2 of this thread. I was the one who brought this up when LCW missed what might be his last chance to lift Thomas Cup but everyone loses their mind just because I'm stating some facts.

    I'm writing in this forum while working full time if that's what you meant by meaningful. I work to live not to live to work. And badminton is my lifestyle and way of life. :)
     
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    I'm pretty sure that we are still pretty sane. Thank you. Thomas Cup is team glory. Winning or Losing; it should not count as individual achievement. Before the inception of Superseries, the most famous events known in badminton is World Championships, All England, Thomas Cup, Sudirman Cup, and Uber Cup. That's how many people erroneously think of "majors". But in reality, especially according to BWF regulation, individual achievement and major tournaments for individuals that count towards World Ranking are OG/WC, SSP, SS, and SSF. Yes, there are other tournaments as well such as GPG, GP, International Challenge, etc. But those are more or less stepping stones to be qualified for SSP and WC/OG.
     
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    To clarify the matter even clearer, why WC may not be as prestigious as it sounds? Assuming that each nation has one top player, the lowest-ranked player in Men's Singles to qualify for WC is 64th. To make to matter worse, if some nations have a lot of strong players, say if China, Malaysia, Korea, and Demark each has 4 players in top 16; and each of the five continent is entitled to offer a representation, how low the world ranking would be to qualify for WC? Granted, lower-ranked player is less likely to take WC; but it's also true they face less competition in early rounds. Also, each member association does have discretion to decide who can play in WC/OG. That is why WC or OG is not strictly merit based.

    http://system.bwf.website/documents/folder_1_81/Regulations/Major-Events/Part III - Section 7A - Regulations for World Championships.pdf

    http://system.bwf.website/documents/folder_1_81/Regulations/Major-Events/Part III - Section 7B - Regulation For Eligibility & Processing of Entries for World Championships.pdf


    SSP, on the other hand, only admit top 28 players in the main round by world ranking; 16 players can play in qualifying round but only four of them can be qualifier. Hence, the lowest-ranked qualifier is ranked 44th. There is also compulsory participation from top ten players; formally known as committed players. In total, 32 players/pairs play in SSP. But 64/48 players play in WC.

    http://system.bwf.website/documents...-Section-10---Regulations-for-Superseries.pdf
    http://system.bwf.website/documents/folder_1_81/Regulations/Superseries/Part III - Section 10 - ANNEXURE D - Player Commitment Reg.pdf

    Hence, from the world ranking of most participants, it's pretty clear that SSP represents the badminton tournament of highest level. WC/OG gives highest ranking point for its prestige and to have highest number of nations to be represented in the tournament while still using world ranking as qualification; but the point difference is small enough and it is only one tournament that counts toward world ranking. The ranking points awarded for winning WC is only 9 percent more compared with a SSP but there are 5 SSP and 1 SSF offer the same amount of ranking points. Combined together, no doubt Superseries as a tour has the greatest influence over WR. It's not significant enough to impact the position of a player in world ranking if he cannot dominate in superseries.
     
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    Excuses, excuses...;)

    Simply put, winning World Championship you'll be called a World Champion or "Juara Dunia" , but winning Superseries you become Superseries Champion. The whole nation will parade you if you become Juara Dunia but winning SS you get some pat in the back and handshakes.
     
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    Same thing also when us some court cowboys having a talk about badminton after our game, about LYD. He has 6,789,456 SS titles just like LCW and also Oly gold from XD but not (yet) from MD. For many he's also still missing and lacking like LCW, there's also that big BUT........about him like having never won OG in MD and WC. Of course we will talk about and compare with say Setiawan who's a 3 times World Champions and already Gold medalist OG in MD. That's why how we still don't put LYD there on par with the greats like Setiawan, Cai Yun/FHF even we know LYD himself is a really great player.

    Of course this is just some small badminton talk by court cowboys. :D
     

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