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bad line calls=good for badminton?

Discussion in 'General Forum' started by checkthemc, Apr 7, 2006.

  1. checkthemc

    checkthemc Regular Member

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    Okay this may seem odd, but at international games/level I think bad line calls are good because they make the game more entertaining and show the mental toughness of the player.I know sometimes the games are very close and a single point may make all the difference, but often I see some players lose 5 or 6 points off a single controversial line call. Seeing how players react under pressure and bad line calls makes the game more unpredictable and more upsets happen. This is can be good for the underdog or the favorite because the underdog can quickly score a few quick points if the favorites mental toughness is weak, or the favorite can show his focus and concentration and walk away with the game. Anyone else care to comment?
     
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    Since you live in Bay area. I would like to ask you "what are you smoking?" Are you still living in early 80 when Johny Mac scream and yell at the ref? Badminton is a gentalmen/ladies' game. Bad line call will only get the true fan smad and turn them off. It will only confuse the first time viewers. I understand you would like to be lucky than good. That can only carry you so far. Just wait when it happen to you...
     
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    some people just CAN'T stand giving others advices P O L I T E L Y
     
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    I don't think bad line calls are good at all for the game. It would be really sad to have a set/match end on a bad line call especially. i.e. Peter Gade vs. Chen Jin at the recent China Masters in game 1.

    I'm sure the underdog player who beats the favourite doesn't want to be remembered for that his victory was due to a bad line call which turned things around in his way.

    Do you get a good feeling watching those players get affected greatly because of a bad line call? :) Agreeing with silentheart, let's see what you'll say when this happens to you one day.
     
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    bad line calls are the exact opposite in my opinion.
     
  6. madbad

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    checkthemc, I think I see where you're coming from, but perhaps you've misphrased your thoughts, resulting in a little venom from some BC posters.

    Instead I would like to suggest if you were questioning how bad line calls affect players and how they react mentally to them. Those who let the emotions get the better of them have a longer "cooling down" period during which they'll probably lose 4-5 point, after which they recover. Those with stronger mental fortitude should be able to put the issue behind them and concentrate on the next point. That's what a professional should be about.

    I don't think bad line calls are good for badminton, nor bad umpiring/refereeing decisions for any sport for that matter. However, as the cliche goes, "you have to be good to be lucky and lucky to be good", and a good player will seize the advantage when presented. From a personal point of view, when I play (at my meagre reacreational level), I naturally question a line call which I think is incorrect but most of the time just accept it or laugh it off.

    Funny Slientheart should mention John McEnroe and his tantrums over line calls. While he was certainly a source of entertainment over these things, he was a tremendously gifted tennis player with unmatched racket control. It was unbelievable how "soft" his hand was and how he was able to manipulate the ball. If he was a badminton player, he would have been a treat to watch. From a pure racket skill perspective, I've always tried to emulate him.

    So all you BCers out there, don't be too harsh on checkthemc. I think what he's going on about has more to do with mental toughness. :)
     
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    Bad line calls = it happens. And it'll happen to you sooner or later. :p

    Just try not to worry about it and continue playing. :)
     
  8. checkthemc

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    Lol. Sorry if I wasnt clear but yeah, I'm trying to focus on the mental toughness of the player. If you watched the copenhagen masters of peter gade vs bao, peter had several bad line calls. Instead of letting anger get to him, he sucked it up and won the game, even if it was really close.
     
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    And yeah, silentheart you could stand to be a little politer. You kinda screwed yourself over saying this game is a gentlemens/ladies game by acting rude. And yes, bad line calls do happen to me but I try to keep focus.
     
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    Sorry , I tried to make my point across that bad line call is not good for anyone and I went over the top a little. Also, I have problem try to be funny and not too good at it. I would like to echo many member from before, mental toughness is a big factor in any match and any sport. Also, as I said before, badminton is a gentalman/lady's game. So, play on and do your best to win the nex point unless it is the game point. Then we need to have a replay system...
     
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    My first thought is "That'd be like saying fights in hockey is good for hockey!"

    In general, if I want something that has a lot of drama and unpredictable scenarios, I'd watch professional wrestling. In most other games I want to see winners win cleanly and losers win cleanly as well. Sports depend on rules, and rules depend on good intepretation of them.

    For all the pressure that we get to see tested on a player when they're the victim of a bad call, while that can be intersting, I don't find it worth it if the other player gains something for something he made a mistake on. The question is, are we concerned about badminton being a test of skills between players, or are we concerned about badminton being entertaining for fans?

    For all that can be tested of me when I'm in a close match, I kinda consider a bad call against me just like any other point against me.
     
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    There's an easy remedy for this, just add a few faces. :p :D :D :D :)
     
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    Actually, "professional" wrestling is the most predictable sport: expect the unexpected. If at one point, everything is normal, you know something will happen...soon. :p
     
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    We do know mental toughness and mis-judgement could be part of the game, however, intentional bad calls will ruin the sport itself. It's like, why study for exams? Just hope the teachers can mis-grade the paper, and the suppose to fail student will get a passing grade, while the A student will fail... :rolleyes: :eek:
     
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    On bad line calls, I don't even give it a thought and don't care.
    But while I understand mental toughness, intentional bad line calls are unfair especially in the professional world.
    Just look at some of the matches in the China Open, especially the first round with one chinese against a korean in MS. So many bad calls in favor of the chinese, mental toughness won't change the score.
    So good for badminton? No.
    And Jinryu sums it up the best :)
     
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    Hmm. A few of you misunderstood me. I'm not saying just the bad line calls. I'm even including that perhaps the line judge was right and the player was wrong. Maybe I should have said that in the origional post. And I'm not saying bad line calls is for the FANS. If the player can shake it off and still claim the victory and still believes that the past line call was bad, then the victory will be sweeter. Believe me, if a player got extremely mad at a bad line call (perhaps starting a fight with him/her), it would be MUCH more entertaining than the player throwing the match. However, if the person is really dedicated and can keep his focus, he might play even better and claim the victory.

    Let me just make sure I make this clear. I don't supper intentional bad line calls one bit.
     
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    1 bad call is enough. sometimes i see more than one in a match. please kill the linesman. one thing strange about badminton, does anyoen do anything about bad line calls? i don't see fans running up and whacking the linesman
     
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    man I love hockey fights!
     
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    Hey sorry for bringing this up again, but what if players could challenge line calls, perhaps one per 15 points or now the 21 point games. Just an idea.
     
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    More and more tennis tournaments are putting in Hawkeye, an optical device which watches the lines (Wimbledon is adopting it this year). I wonder if this is feasible for badminton. Don't know what the costs are though. In any case I believe only close calls can be referred to Hawkeye–perhaps someone can confirm this. This would certainly save challenges and root out corrupt linesmen.

    Hehe, if a challenge system is adopted, can you imagine an NFL-style situation where the player (or coach from the sidelines) pulls out his orange (or whatever colour) flag and tosses it on the court, signalling a challenge. The umpire would then request an instant replay which only he can view. In the meantime IBF takes advantage of the break to run a few TV ads to put a few coins into their piggy bank. Upon return to the court, the TV camera zooms in to the umpire who has to make a definitive announcement of his judgement.. "Upon further review, the play stands. There was no conclusive evidence that the shuttle touched the line." Sigh! Chalk another one to the corrupt.
     

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