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Badminton in 2024 Olympic Games & 2020 Olympic Games

Discussion in '2017 Tournaments' started by Master, Jun 19, 2017.

  1. Master

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    a side note regarding the 2024 games:

    it's down to paris & los angeles on september 17th this year. the city not chosen will be offered the 2028 summer games. yes, it's a money & infrastructure thing. for the ioc it's better to secure the future than worry about a city/country being able to afford it 7 years after winning the rights.
     
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    Rather really works hard than just a tweet ;)
     
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    I don't know, let's wait and see but a search on the Internet does contain some disturbing reports and news. I just hope the Japanese government comes clean about it. I mean we can hope for the best but always prepare for the worst.

    As for the Tokyo Olympics, I strongly feel that IOC has a duty to prepare for the worst case scenario, that is, have an alternative host ready as part of contingency plan.
     
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    It didn't stop IOC from awarding the Olympics to Los Angeles (going to be twice!) which is nearly on top of the San Andreas fault. Good point about the alternative options.
     
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    come clean about what? do you think the japanese gov't is hiding the fact a huge earthquake will eventually happen? or do you think they're hiding the fact they're not ready for the next big one... i'm not clear on what exactly you think they might be hiding. please be more specific.

    you can never be ready for mother nature's next big exhale. build ready for a 9.0 and she'll throw a 9.5 at you. build for a 10.0 and she'll spit an 11.2 at you. my point is there's no limit. you have to draw the line somewhere. there's nothing we can do about something happening beyond our human capabilities or control. hell, what about an asteroid hitting us? i believe my point is clear.

    when it comes to handling adversity in the wake of a natural disaster japan has, throughout history, shown what they're capable of. do you disagree?
    'duty'? are you f*cking kidding? the ioc doesn't look upon the games as their children. it's nothing more than a cash cow.

    alternative host? seriously!?!? i'm not sure if you're being naive or you just haven't thought it through completely. are you suggesting another city and ioc spend all the time, money & resources to have a back-up... on, potentially, short notice? who's gonna pay for it? what city is willing to spend the $ and do all the work with the possibility of it not being used? (oh wait, the ioc doesn't do shit. ignore them.)

    what's the lead deadline for the back-up city to be standing at the ready? if disaster strikes within 3 years, 2 years, 1 year, 6 months, 90 days, 60 days, 30 days, 7 days or 24 hours prior? you can't just flip a switch and suddenly "turn on" a back-up city like a light bulb, nor can you reschedule. are all the back-up employees/volunteers and necessary infrastructure systems sitting by their phones waiting for 'the call'...? not to mention there are too many lives and operational necessities INDIRECTLY affected by the olympics.

    "attention all citizens of paris...!! this is your mayor speaking...!! due to the tokyo catastrophe we will be hosting the olympics starting in 30 days...!! Nous nous excusons pour tous les inconvénients causés, et merci pour votre coopération ... !! (we apologize for any inconvenience caused, and thank you for your cooperation...!!)

    if ioc or anyone else was worried about tokyo on the basis of a natural disaster they would have never considered their bid. it would be the same as telling the entire world to never visit tokyo because of a potential earthquake. sounds kind of ridiculous, ya think?

    if you have a plan on how preparing a back-up city would be possible, and practical, i'm all ears... otherwise, keyboard quarterbacking without a game plan is akin to farting. blowing smoke out of your ass. speaking before thinking. chirping like a dodo bird. or whatever it's called nowadays.
     
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    I cannot think of any city that is completely safe,” admitted Tokyo 2020 chief executive officer Toshiro Muto. “But Tokyo is one of the best-prepared for natural disasters.”

    No body knows about when and where the next big earthquake will happen. The decision about making Tokyo as a host also didn't far away and always concerning about safety. That safety will be paramount AND I think Japan has proven to have a strict protocol toward evacuation and contingency plan. The early detection of tsunami in Japan working so well, just a few second after the shake happen, there is a summary released whether it have tsunami risk or not.

    Tokyo 2020 organizers insist Olympic facilities have all cleared the nation’s strict quake-proof building standards. “Japan is vulnerable to earthquakes, but building standards are the strictest in the world,” said Satoru Sunada, a Tokyo government official in charge of Olympic facilities.

    Meanwhile, Rio 2016 also have "Zika virus" and "clean water" issue. So far, no reporting about serious case happened toward the athletes that joined Rio Olympic. And we will not forget about this story.
     
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    [​IMG]
    3 Years to Go to the Tokyo 2020 Games! - this summer countdown events being held across Japan

    On 24 July, the Tokyo Organising Committee of the Olympic and Paralympic Games (Tokyo 2020 Organising Committee), the Tokyo Metropolitan Government, the Japanese Olympic Committee (JOC) and the Japanese Paralympic Committee (JPC) are jointly holding a “Tokyo 2020 Flag Tour Festival and 3 Years to Go to the Tokyo 2020 Games” countdown event. The event is being held on 24 July to coincide with exactly three years until the Opening Ceremony of the Olympic Games Tokyo 2020, and will feature a newly produced projection mapping show that will showcase the attractions of the host city, Tokyo, and aims to further raise momentum and excitement towards the Tokyo 2020 Games.

    In addition, a number of authorised Tokyo 2020 Programme events will also be taking place in Hokkaido, Fukushima, Saitama, Chiba and Shizuoka prefectures to mark the 3 Years to Go milestone. Our aim is to make the summer of 2020 an unforgettable summer for the whole of Japan.

    https://tokyo2020.jp/en/news/event/20170714-01.html



     
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    Holy cow, I'm expressing my concern as a netizen cum badminton fan and you go fricking ballistic as if I'm blaming you for it or you're the self-appointed spokesman for IOC, the Japanese govt or NBA. What's eating you up getting so personal with me ?

    Did you bother to do a search on the Internet about the Fukushima disaster, some of the latest serious concerns expressed by supposed experts or knowledgeable people that should set us thinking hard about the possible consequences? That's why I can't help but wonder aloud my skepticism.

    Just a couple to spoonfeed you. keyboard warrior: http://www.truthlibrary.info/articles/corporate-fraud/fukushima-cover-up-exposed/
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...clear-cleanup-falters-six-years-after-tsunami
    https://www.theguardian.com/environ...izumi-accuses-abe-lying-over-fukushima-pledge - go f*ck Junichiro Koizumi all you want , for all I care -
    Former Japan PM accuses Abe of lying over Fukushima pledge:
    Abe told members of the International Olympic Committee (IOC) in Buenos Aires in September 2013 that the situation at Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant was “under control”, shortly before Tokyo was awarded the 2020 Games.

    IOC officials were concerned by reports about the huge build-up of contaminated water at the Fukushima site, more than two years after the disaster forced the evacuation of tens of thousands of residents.

    “When [Abe] said the situation was under control, he was lying,” Koizumi told reporters in Tokyo. “It is not under control,” he added, noting the problems the plant’s operator, Tokyo Electric Power (Tepco), has experienced with a costly subterranean ice wall that is supposed to prevent groundwater from flowing into the basements of the damaged reactors, where it becomes highly contaminated.

    “They keep saying they can do it, but they can’t,” Koizumi said. He went on to claim that Abe had been fooled by industry experts who claim that nuclear is the safest, cleanest and cheapest form of energy for resource-poor Japan.

    “He believes what he’s being told by nuclear experts,” Koizumi said. “I believed them, too, when I was prime minister. I think Abe understands the arguments on both sides of the debate, but he has chosen to believe the pro-nuclear lobby.”

    After the Fukushima crisis, Koizumi said he had “studied the process, reality and history of the introduction of nuclear power, and became ashamed of myself for believing such lies”.


    More from others, https://www.counterpunch.org/2016/10/31/fukushima-cover-up/ - sounds damning and alarming
    https://www.occupycorporatism.com/is-the-un-covering-up-global-effects-of-fukushima-radiation/
    http://www.wakingtimes.com/2015/07/02/cover-up-mainstream-reporting-on-fukushima-a-joke/

    samkool, you wrote "if ioc or anyone else was worried about tokyo on the basis of a natural disaster they would have never considered their bid. it would be the same as telling the entire world to never visit tokyo because of a potential earthquake. sounds kind of ridiculous, ya think?" Obviously, either you didn't get my point/drift or simply didn't think through before you shoot your mouth off. I'm talking about a disaster that's already happened, the big question is we're not sure or really don't know if the problem is resolved and the future possible consequences. It's different from IOC awarding the 2028 Games to Los Angeles with the knowledge that the city is sitting on the San Andreas Fault line, as pointed out by Cheung.

    On the subject of having an alternative host , heck, did you miss this part in the link I first posted -
    “If an earthquake directly hitting the capital caused catastrophe before the 2020 Tokyo Olympics, it could be serious enough to prevent the Japanese economy from functioning properly,” Hirata told AFP.

    “We would have little option but to seek an alternative Olympic host.” Tokyo and neighbouring Yokohama topped a list of global quake or tsunami-risk metropolitan areas, according to a 2013 survey by insurance firm Swiss Re.

    You mean having a contingency plan or Plan B is a bad idea, not important nor beneficial ?

    Regardless that IOC treats the Olympic Games as a cash cow, it simply can't shirk its roles and responsibilities https://stillmed.olympic.org/Documents/Reference_documents_Factsheets/Roles_and_responsabilities.pdf

    And how are they going to make money if the Games is not held or is in ruins ?

    Looks like you can't have a conversation with me without quarreling. Or you've an axe to grind with me. What for ?
     
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    Selective reading and posting.

    Nobody wishes anything bad to happen, let us all wish for the best. Still, better be safe than sorry, and, least of all, be in denial where there's reasonable or justifiable doubts about it.
     
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    nope. not at all. i read your pixels on my screen and respond. if you think i'm going ballistic perhaps you are in need of a Rx from 9tf.
    i've worked with all 3. i never felt like you were blaming me. i'm just responding to your pixels. next issue...
    hmmm... those articles are older than the article posted about you-know-who in you-know-which-forum, so i'm gonna steal your words: "In my opinion, it's clearly obvious to me that nothing of what the authors wrote is new and, to use your word, refreshing, that has not already...been well covered..." (http://www.badmintoncentral.com/forums/index.php?threads/lin-dan-林丹.19303/page-480#post-2566100) consider that my reply to you, but don't take it personally.
    they skip it. know your olympic history.
    you really want to know?
    promise you won't get mad?
    1. i don't have an axe to grind with you personally because i don't care about you.
    2. all you are to me is target practice. but, it's getting too easy of late.
    3. bwahahahahahahaha!!!
     
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    Deny, ignore, belittle, dismiss, make fun of, or conveniently forget, if that's how you want to treat every post, serious or otherwise, and entertain everybody with your shenanigans, suit yourself, be my guest.

    So what that the articles are older than the first one posted unless they have been superseded or proven wrong by the later one(s). Truth is timeless, truth is ageless. Don't laugh, it's not funny. I don't suppose you bother to read any of them, if you do, how can you remain indifferent or undismayed or, at the very least, be skeptical enough to want to probe deeper. It's not as if IOC could help it.

    And you obviously misquoted/misunderstood/misused/misapplied my words - how can they be not new to you when you appeared ignorant of them, even trivializing their seriousness ? So much have been written there, so revealing, so disturbing, and your response was ... a dismissive shrug? You've no issue with Koizumi calling Abe a liar over the Fukushima meltdown, what's your take?

    Yes, in Olympic history, the Games was skipped thrice, in 1916, 1940 (Japan) and 1944 during WW1 and WW2, and surely you know under what circumstances, nothing to do with possible natural disasters and not in peace time. http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/olympics-skipped.htm , http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/olympics-skipped1.htm

    So what, how does that obviate the need for contingency planning or render my argument invalid ? History teaches us valuable lessons and humankind would be wise to learn from it or be doomed to repeat it.

    No, I'm not mad at you, instead I'm thankful to you for reminding me of some famous quotes (no offence, they're meant purely for my own edification; just some random thoughts of mine, not targeting at you , believe you me):

    Never argue with a fool; onlookers may not be able to tell the difference. (Mark Twain ?)

    Never argue with an idiot. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. (George Carlin ?)

    Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Or you will also be like him. Answer a fool as his folly deserves, That he not be wise in his own eyes. (Prov. 26:4-5 NAS).

    Lastly, perhaps I should be honored that you've selected me for target practice, glad to be of service and use to you. Sorry if I've disappointed you for becoming too easy a target lately. Hope a more challenging one emerges soon to bring your skills to a much higher level so that we here will all have the good fortune to benefit from your masterliness.

    Oh wait, one more point, if I'm not wrong, your favourite ever-present "bwahahahahahahaha!!!" seems to be your invariable medicine. Of course,I do understand laughter is the best medicine, but, somehow, try as I might, I just couldn't get round to doing it right, the way you do it, that is. Sadly, I'm still stuck at the classic 'haha' while continuing to learn and find occasions for 'hahaha'. Cheerio !
     
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    i'm not disputing any of the facts that exist so there's no need for a googling contest. this is the crux of the issue i (and others?) seem to have with your postings:
    i don't believe i have. your chosen words appear to come from a very singular and defensive point of view, with no acceptance of the contrary and no application to a broader context... which makes you a target on the internet.
    wow, this is exactly what i'm talking about. this is how i interpret your response: you believe i am ignorant to those articles/facts and do not care because i have never mentioned them here, on badmintoncentral.com. i'm confident i am not the only person interpreting your response that way. how could you possibly know what i do or do not know already, and how i have already processed the information in the context of my life? it's a big world out there.
    i have no issues. i'm still going. (this decision is based on information to which i have never acknowledged my awareness of, or existence of, on badmintoncentral.com. pray for me if it aligns with your beliefs.)


    this is not the only topic or context i'm referring to either. it's evident by the way some members respond to you, and the way you respond to them. your chosen words appear to come from a very singular and defensive point of view, with no acceptance of the contrary and no application to a broader context. there's no need for me to cite a famous author or intellectual for my statement because that came straight from my own brain, based on this discussion we're having. others have said the same thing to you with different words, to no avail.

    maybe that's your problem. you only know how to laugh in a singular manner... EEEheeheeheeheeeee...
     
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    I'm afraid nothing meaningful, no contribution of value from you here except sidestepping, digressing, going round in circles and blowing smoke as well as self-proclaiming yourself spokesman for 'others'. I'm done, not going to waste any more time with your blathering, full of hot air. Enjoy yourself. Good day to you.
     
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    Report: Los Angeles Reaches Agreement to Host 2028 Olympics

    https://www.si.com/olympics/2017/07/31/los-angeles-2028-olympics-host-city-agreement-paris-2024
     

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