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Bam - please fire misbun and rashid sidek

Discussion in 'Malaysia Professional Players' started by Dato A, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. Bbn

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    That may not be true universally.

    China players are selected based on certain physical attributes to play badminton, those deemed unsuitable are diverted to say play tennis. They are then TAUGHT to play badminton thru the years.
    This accounts for the high incidence of Cyborg players, one of whom has become world champion, another who is fast maturing and rising rapidly in the ranks by leaps and bounds which we can observe in the GP Finals this Sunday.
    The China method is an alternative and may be necessary or prove to be more effective,but it will probably require a massive revamp of systems and thinking.I think this "factory" method produces a lot of "quality" players but they take a long time to mature and come to grips on how to put a personal touch, just as is happening to LD now.It may be worth thinking about.
    I dunno about others but when I think back of my early 20s, i would have been much better off if I had a mentor or someone to monitor me as then I didn't understand much about the world.
     
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  2. pBmMalaysia

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    Misbun: I need a break

    MISBUN Sidek has stated that his patriotism should not be questioned just because he resigned as the national singles coach last week .

    Misbun said that badminton has been his life and he wants to take a temporary break and will return when he overcomes his anger and disappointment.

    " I' m upset and disappointed and I want to take a break. It ' s not a question of patriotism as I have been involved in badminton all my life , " said Misbun.


    " What happened internally ( in the coaching and training committee meeting ) should remain internal and I' m not going to reveal anything .


    " I had dinner with Sports Minister ( Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek ) yesterday ( Wednesday) but it was just an informal meeting and nothing more than that . "

    Misbun also made it clear his decision was not influenced by anyone and there is also no attempt to lure Lee Chong Wei or any other shuttler out of the national team.

    An emotional Misbun , who turns 51 next month , declined from making further comments as he felt the time was not right.

    Meanwhile, Ahmad Shabery said he will be having a joint meeting with Misbun and BA of Malaysia ( BAM ) president Datuk Seri Nadzmi Salleh to settle the issue after his two - day visit to Sarawak.

    Ahmad Shabery was optimistic the differences between Misbun and BAM would be sorted out before the Malaysia Open on Jan 18 - 24 .

    " With the Malaysia Open beginning soon, I am sure that the situation will improve .

    Time will assist us to clear the air . I feel that it is not good that the problem between Misbun and BAM went public and that Misbun had to tender his resignation, " said Ahmad Shabery.

    " There should have been dialogues and discussions rather than going public. There will only be the three of us in the meeting. "

    Speculation is rife that one of the reasons behind Misbun ' s resignation was the decision by BAM to let Hendrawan coach Misbun' s son Misbun Ramdan .
     
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  3. chris-ccc

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    Players, themselves, can feel if they have improved or not

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    Players, themselves, can feel if they have improved or not (as taught by their coaches). Others/outsiders can only look at results/scores of matches achieved by them players.

    Players will know if they have received invaluable advises from their coaches or not; others can only judge via the players' results/scores.
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  4. pBmMalaysia

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    Friday January 7, 2011

    Misbun ready to talk

    By RAJES PAUL

    PETALING JAYA : There may be a happy end to the Misbun Sidek controversy after all.
    After keeping mum for some time , Misbun has finally aired his grievances that led to his decision to quit as a national badminton coach to Youth and Sports Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek in a heart- to- heart talk on Wednesday.

    And Shabery will now initiate a tripartite meeting among Misbun, the Badminton Association of Malaysia ( BAM) and himself to resolve matters .

    Misbun tendered a resignation letter to the BAM on Dec 31 . And his decision to leave the national team brought out strong reactions from world No . 1 Lee Chong Wei, who said that he would follow suit if the BAM were unable to persuade his coach to change his mind .

    The “healing session ” between Misbun and BAM is expected to take place in a day or two after Shabery returns from an official visit to Kuching .

    Shabery is playing the role as the mediator after Misbun refused to meet BAM president Datuk Seri Nadzmi Mohd Salleh to reveal why he decided to quit .

    The minister had met Nadzmi and other BAM officials at lunch on Wednesday. And together with the National Sports Council’s ( NSC ) director of sports management , Abdul Jalil Abdullah, they met Misbun over dinner .

    Shabery said that Misbun had some problems with the BAM that could be ironed out .

    “ I gathered from the talk with Misbun that there were some grievances and differences in opinion between him and the BAM , ” he said .

    “ He ( Misbun ) raised some valid points that needed to be ironed out . It has nothing to do with some of the speculations that have emerged . It is about how one handles the training and its approaches .

    “ I will , however , not divulge the details of what was spoken in privacy. The best way is for me to bring both parties for a discussion. Let us all be open about it . ”
    Shabery said that both Misbun and Nadzmi had agreed to have the meeting.

    “ I have spoken to Nadzmi and he is open to have a discussion with Misbun and vice versa. Both sides are sincere and I think, this is a positive sign ,” he said .
     
  5. pBmMalaysia

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    the training and coaching committee is supposed to provide that heli views as you mentioned

    but i am not sure about this now after misbun last mentioning in the press :D

    there could be something we don't know inside:D

    lets's hear their announcement in a couple of days

    and let's see what develops after that:)
     
  6. chris-ccc

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    This thread is created to fire/sack Misbun Sidek from BAM

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    This thread is created to fire/sack Misbun Sidek from BAM. So, let us allow Misbun to leave/resign.

    Will there be another BCer creating a thread such as "BAM - Please bring Misbun Sidek back"?

    Going with the thoughts of the thread starter here, I would say to Misbun; "Please don't return to BAM. Your work has not been appreciated".
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  7. eRa@에라

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    Reasonable if I'm a freshie just beginning my journey as a national player... I also stand by a proverb "Malu bertanya sesat jalan" (when don't know, ask around.") during my time as a student and even now, since life is always a learning process... :)

    Regardless, when you finally learn and understand things, you should be able to make your own decision, taking into consideration the bad and the good and not continue to heavily rely on your mentor since it will not do you any good in long term. It's spoon feeding a baby till he grows old and be a man yet still being spoon feed... this situation in ones career is more or less similar as in ones life... as a person from time to time when we make mistake, we need someone to advise us, help us re-think our actions and from there we learn not to make the same mistake again... even with the best guidance, the decision is still in our hands. Even if a parent advise their children not to do drug for it will destroy them, but they still do it, that is their decision... I never imagine myself to be a financial analyst since it was never my forte/interest but I accepted the job and was trained to be really good in it. Though initially my knowledge was zero on the job, I finally reached the highest in my career with great determination and efforts to succeed. When my colleagues complaint of their mentors being too hard on them, I only listen cos I've been with as many as five great mentors (since we have this type of rotation system) whom were considered as killer (tough) but you just need to learn their differences in order for you to better adapt with their style of training/teaching/ways of doing things... only then will you survive:) ...(I respect and admire all of them for helping me grow to be where I am right now:))

    To survive and succeed, your willingness is as important as any help/guidance you can get. When there's a will, there's a way... The way of thinking really need to change cos if the players keep thinking the coach is everything that can help them succeed then they will have to re-think again since the coach is not the person who's gonna hold that racquet on the tournament day... the coach is only guiding you but to actually be a better player, well, the decision is in your hand... :) you can be trained by the best of all the best but you can also decide to not be the best despite having all that. It's all in one's thinking and one's determination.
     
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    But the thread starter's work is only half finished.... :D
     
  9. Bbn

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    It all boils down to the capacity and level of the learner. Not everybody can learn by themselves and need good teachers, that's why some need tuition.
    This reminds me of the reply by one NSC director as to why Choong Tan Fook and Lee Wan Wah cannot think on Court,
    because he said " they are not smart, if they are smart they wouldn't choose to play badminton".
    I believe even teachers and trainers need to be well trained and understand the capabilities of learners well, given a weak
    bunch of learners we should not give up and say "you're all no good, I give up." Or even mention that "when I was at your age
    I could do this and that", that would not be very professional.
    In the Malaysian workplace and business though there is little emphasis on training and orientation,freshies are thrown into the deep end and the fittest survive, but that is not necessarily true of other places.
    A little bit of one to one teaching is still necessary, it depends on the learning level, capacity of the learner, what is being taught and also changes in youngsters.
    Academics will tell you that the most learning is in the early years and tapers off, learning is not just about knowing,it is also about understanding, applying, analysis,synthesis and critical thinking. It is not just"do what I do" as in business.How can youngsters learn all the above when they dont know what learning is all about?
     
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    True, different people different personality different way of adapting to situations… and we need different approach in teaching them. I agree to that. I’m no genius too… actually very far from it… but I learned to keep track of my many weaknesses and figured out the solutions so that I won’t be left behind… perhaps the problem with the young players is they don’t know how to overcome their weakness. Or to accept that they have weaknesses when told so, Or to realize that they even have one…. I don’t think coaches won’t point out each player’s weakness for them to improve on… perhaps it’s true they don’t know the right way of learning… I can’t really say… but it’s sad if that’s the case… and how to make them understand learning is really gonna be a tough job…

    “the reply by one NSC director as to why Choong Tan Fook and Lee Wan Wah cannot think on Court, because he said " they are not smart, if they are smart they wouldn't choose to play badminton".”

    IMO, this statement is unfair to the pair… smart can be in just about anything and not to be restricted to education smart… was he implying that badminton is the lest smart profession one can opt to do for a living? For a fool who can’t finish high school, this is their best bet for a career? :cool: He’s definitely not smart himself for coming out with such statement…
     
  11. pBmMalaysia

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    since you brought it up, yes !

    wrong use, you will just make a fool of yourself :D
     
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    Let this guy have a break;).. as his wish..

    wonder whether his brother is in another pressure as well?
     
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    Misbun: I need a break

    MISBUN Sidek has stated that his patriotism should not be questioned just because he resigned as the national singles coach last week .

    Misbun said that badminton has been his life and he wants to take a temporary break and will return when he overcomes his anger and disappointment

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    A wise decision from Datuk Misbun. Its better to have a break and then with a more relax soul and clear mindset, the next action that he will do will be properly made since the whole Malaysia specifically and the world generally are keen to hear and see what will be his next moves.

    He has been involved with Malaysia Badminton scenario for all this many years be it during its ups and down despite having his own family problems and this will be the best opportunity for him to take a break.
     
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    Yes, that's how I feel. Perhaps a short break for Misbun will do him good... inspire him to come up with new tactics to counter the Super Dan... we'll never know... boleh?
     
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    i wonder what triggered him to feel so angry and dissappointed:D

    i know there could be some 'old' reasons

    but could it also be because of some young players recently dropped by bam :D
     
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    I also keen to know why he is so angry. It's not so often we hear Datuk Misbun get so angry and openly stated about how he feels and to revealed such feelings from him, the cause i assume will definitely has been annoying him for some time, unresolved and unattended even he has spoken about it. Ultimately, this makes him so dissapointed and at the end, it reaches to a boiling point that its better for him to step down rather than continue working with people that seems doesn't care and see him important in BAM.
     
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    yes that makes us sad and worried too:eek:

    maybe he will let us know a little more as days gone by

    at least through press interviews:D

    from there we can catch little by little, ya? lol
     
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    I would tell Misbun; "Please don't return to BAM"

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    I would tell Misbun; "Please don't return to BAM. Your work has not been appreciated".
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    i am sure that's what he felt before he emailed his letter to bam:)

    but now after the minister has spoken to him and he is willing to talk,

    there is a possibility he may consider withdrawing his resignation.

    the minsiter did say things could be ironed out,

    that means he is quite confident he is able to resolve the matter:D

    unless of course both parties can't compromise:eek:

    personally, i think misbun was ready to give up his career with bam

    otherwise he won't reject the president's call :D

    so le't wait and see what develops …:)
     
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    YES. Please do so Chris. If people surrounds us seems not to appreciate with our work after all this years, there is no point to continue working with them.
     

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