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Bam - please fire misbun and rashid sidek

Discussion in 'Malaysia Professional Players' started by Dato A, Nov 15, 2010.

  1. undeadshot

    undeadshot Regular Member

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    Not yet for 2010 - 2012, as long as Sidek is still his name.
     
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    hahahaha agreed agreed
     
  3. limsy

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    hmm
    liew daren is under rashid for 3 years
    does it mean rashid can escape from the it?
    i believe it was part of the answer that people demand
    even u urself saying it will be different if li mao was around.
     
  4. shooting stroke

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    Indeed limsy....but then the reality is, he's not around. So, nothing much we can say about this.
     
  5. eaglehelang

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    THe 'England lad' is actually a Msian

    No, compare MS back up to MD back up the last 6 to 7 years. Rashid had TCS & gang for about 3 years in Project 2010. Nothing much came out of it.
    Compare to MD,WD, XD, since Rexy came in 2005(not forgetting CSK's contributions), what have he & the doubles coaches done to develop the youngsters. Msian MD would not have so many pairs waiting in line if the doubles coaches did not develop them.....is sufficiently the correct term to use?

    My concern is what would happen to the next talented batch, next best bet to replace LCW - Iskandar, Syawal, Misbun Ramdan, Loh WS, ZUlfadli. For the time being, I'm actually glad they are under Hendrawan.
     
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    I believe a thread like this can be described as a "stuck gramophone".

    If you consider how many high profile coaches there have been in M'sian badminton, does it make any sense to fire a few more?
     
  7. extremenanopowe

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    Malaysia is glad to have such supporters. Else, they will be complacent. Some how, all these criticism will go all the way up. This means an average person can see the problem and yet some are ignorant. That tells the story about how things are managed. Its good to keep on barking to wake them up.

    I bet some in BAM are tempted to answer the criticisms, its just that they don't have the guts to do so. Mali mali... jangan malu malu BAM.. ;) Be open an explain the situation. It helps to have transparency. The world is getting smaller now. ;)

    If you don't do something proactively, I bet someone will make you proactive to push you out the door. ;) BAM boleh? ;) Don't waste tax payers money. This goes to other countries as well. ;)
     
  8. OneToughBirdie

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    I have said long ago that MAS badminton will be in big trouble with no emerging players to take over from LCW and TBH/KKK. LCW credit should go to Morten, and TBH/KKK I think is Rexy who paired them up.
    In pro badminton, winning is the only thing that matters since MAS (tax-payers) is heavily funding this sport. If Rashid did not produce result (after 3 years? that is a life time to invest for a pro baddy player), fire him, I agree and more so to fire them the entire BAM management too for hiring the coaches in the first place. Except that it is no going to happen, it is easy to fire the coaches and/or players as scape goats than to fire themselves for under performing in their job. The coaches and players are professionals, their success can be measured by achievements while the BAM staff are not. They are government employees, no accountability, golden rice bowl job entitlement and so well connected.
    Much has been criticized of LYB, but results support him and he delivers the goods almost all the time. On a side note, I noticed the big sag at Zhang Ling eyes (she must not slept well). Both ZN and LYB look tense in the women team event against Thai, she must have grew a few grey hairs when WX lost the first set. Rashid appears to be 'tidak apa' like win-loss no big deal, life goes on. The tougher the teacher, the stronger are the students, that is the culture gap between CHN and MAS.
     
  9. yurimaster2010

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    i think we should keep misbun, rashid and in fact to hire jalani...having them to inspire the young players and give motivation talks to players who lack of passion to the country...share experience from thomas cup on how they win n lost their games in past...

    For BAM presiden..hire siti hasmah and husband as advisor

    For coach here is my proposal...
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    singles hire..... zhao jian hua, park joo bong
    doubles hire.... cheah soon kit, rudy gunawan

    Women
    singles hire..... susi susanti, ye zhoaying
    doubles hire.... tan kim her , Goa Ling

    Mixed double hire .....park joo bong
     
  10. extremenanopowe

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    A good wish list. There are some good coaches out there. Just rehire all the former coaches. That should do the trick. ;)
     
  11. shooting stroke

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    Nice line up. However, Malaysia biggest badminton fan, Siti Hasmah, can't be the advisor since the patron for BAM council will always be the wife of the current Malaysia Prime Minister. Nevertheless, let us use more local resource first:

    BAM council President and Executive Commitee Chairman : Datuk Nadzmi - FIRE. Let him just concentrate more with Proton or otherwise we will end up in near future with immitation products like Proton skyline, Proton evo or Ferrari saga or maybe Exora Alphard X5
    Replacement: Maybe...Datuk Punch Gunalan or Datuk Eddy Chong.

    BAM GM : Kenny Goh - FIRE.
    Replacement : Take Datuk James Selvaraj from his current post as Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM) High Performance Director. Better put someone who knows well about badminton here rather than kenny.

    BAM Coaching and Training Committee:
    New High Performance Director : Li Mao
    Mens Single elite: Misbun take over from Rashid.
    Womens Single elite: Replace Wong Tat Meng with Susi Susanti. Let Rashid be an assistant:p.
    Mens Double Elite: Retain Rexy
    Womens Double Elite: Rexy. Pang Cheh Chang assist
    Mens Single back-up: Retain Hendrawan. Lure Foo Kok Keong to assist
    Mens Double Backup: Retain Tan Kim her.
     
  12. pBmMalaysia

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    well dato, you seem to be very concerned of malaysian badminton.

    but before suggesting firing the sidek brothers

    do you think its important to find out who should replace them first?

    no doubt malaysia is losing thomas and uber cup after 1992 (mens) and ???? (ladies)

    and now to thailand in ag 2010.

    you think firing them and replaced by the best coaches in the world

    will quarantee a win in both thomas cup and asian games?

    be realistic with your answer here!

    as for me, i say the answer is a no guarantee here

    its parts of participating in competitions:

    competitions in training one's athletics

    competitions in preparing them,

    in motivating them... etc

    any country win this or lose this

    so will be your team!

    i see the solution is,

    to learn from the mistakes,

    work as a team with committment

    and whose job is this, you figure it out!
     
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    Li Mao again???I'm quite don't understand with all of u what the benefit to hire Li Mao to Malaysia...when he be a MAS coach, he only bring up LCW who already perform well under Misbun that time before Li Mao arrived....so what the advantage to bring her back...no achievement to prove his ability for MAS team...
     
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    how about wong mew choo in 2007?
     
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    this two player already show good performance before li mao arrived....
     
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    IMHO Li Mao did a good job and a good coach...
     
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    Refer post#52 pbmMalaysia,

    I do not have any suitable candidates to recommend for replacing Sidek Brother. I just cant find any other Malay coach to repalce them. (Not to elaborate more on this because of it's sensitivity)

    In Malaysia, it is the colors that matter.

    Losing a game is normal. But losing a game to some 2nd, or even 3rd grade team is something abnormal.

    We lost to Japan team before and now Thailand. Did BAM learn lesson from it?

    What has Misbun did ? He is probably the manager, the personal coach to DLCW. What about other players?

    What has Rashid did ? What happened to his youth talents programme that supposed to see at least, sebusuk-busuknya 1 quality player?

    Hiring best coach in the world will not guarantee results. I agreed. Instead, BAM tried before. But keeping Lousy and under-performed coach will for sure, lead to disastrous. And i can guaranteed you on this.

    Motivation? What motivation programme that BAM sets for their players? Go Port Dickson for 3 days 2 Night trip, with coconut juice and hawaii dance? Or go playing snooker with Carlsberg and peanuts served ?

    MAS badminton sports will be one day like what happened to MAS Football. And the worse part is, it is getting closer and closer.
     
  18. yurimaster2010

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    i need sideks...in fact we need to hire all of them...
    for some reason we forget contribution from cheak soon kit..without him the women sections never goes this high...he should be recruit back to help the mens doubles....
    high performance coach..hire Real madrid coach..Jose .M..hehehe
     
  19. extremenanopowe

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    Hire Li Yong Bo. He will whip everybody up. ;) lol
     
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    good, skip the sensitive part

    but dato, you have to differentiate the roles of coaches and the management team

    since the coaches are not managing everything, we can't simply put the blame on them

    misbun mainly train lcw and he can't and doesn't interfere in the running of the coaching setup.

    as for rashid, he was here and there and again he doesn't have all the free hand.

    what i see is not the coaches are to be blame entirely

    and i do not want to go off track with your thread.

    maybe we have different views but we both know there are no coaches to replace them

    and if there are, there weren't be any guarantee of success

    thus, i see no point in continue this discussion.
     

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