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Can the Asuncion's on be on world's top 10 mxd doubles?

Discussion in 'Professional Players' started by Anakin_69, Jul 20, 2005.

  1. Anakin_69

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    Can the Asuncion's on be world's top 10 mxd doubles?

    I think they can bec. they beat the world's number 1(nathan and emms) in the MVP cup but they failed the second and third set.[​IMG] 15-13 14-17 1-15
     
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    If they improve on their trainning regiment added with more experience, i give them maybe 2 to 3 years if not shorter to be in the top 10. At least they are doing the right thing now.
     
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    I would love that to happen. It's always great to see new nations come on the scene, especially when it isn't just due to imported players. Although I like seeing the Singapore team doing well, the improvement of the Thai team is more encouraging for international badminton. The Asuncions are another such bright spot.

    According to the Athens website, Kennevic is 25 and Kennie is about to turn 23. Is it common for players to come into their own 2 to 3 years after that age? I suppose it may be. Especially in a case like the Philippines where you can bet they would get bumped off the team by young upstarts as can happen to 25-year-old Chinese players.

    I realize that there are lots of 28-year-olds who are at or near the top these days but those like Robertson, Emms, Widianto, Tri Kush, Candra, Sigit, Eriksen, and Lundgaard-Hansen have been near the top for years now. Maybe Flandi Limpele(31), Eng Hian(28) or Sairul (I don't know how old he is but I heard he was making some kind of a comeback) could be exceptions but they were crowded off extremely strong teams.
     
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    There performance is great. For me Kennie is alot better than her brother Vic because I saw her beating his brother in the singles.Kennie is ranked 114 in ladies singles and kennevic is 98, playing together they are ranked 24 in mixed doubles.( How amazing is that!)Maybe 2 or 3 years, they are in the top 10.[​IMG]
     
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    Correction. I meant to say that you can bet the Asuncions would NOT get bumped off the team.
     
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    Let's see if their ranking will improve after WC next month.
     
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    They will get there faster if they are exposed to more international tornaments. I hardly see their names in IBF events. Another option is to get them good sparring partners. I'm afraid they will have to look outside for help since nobody at home is quite up to their standards. :D
     
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    They do have some indonesian sparring partners. Minarti Timur and Rudi Wijaya is one of them. Their team sponsors hired them to train and spar with them. Besides that the pairs also go for overseas stint in Korea and China as well. They do go for IBF internatinal events. However lack of funds prevented them to go full force in all the Events. But i think situation is getting better for both of them now.
     
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    Observing just from one game? If she could beat her brother consistently then she's the better one.

     
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    When was that? Years ago? I definately don't think that Kennie can beat Vic in singles now.
     
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    They are just playing after their training,last summer vacation 2004.
     
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    I'm sorry but I really don't see why winning the first set 15-13 is such a big deal. Even the top ranked players lose a set once in a while. In this case, I really think Nathan Robertson and Gail Emms were very gracious guests in the Phils during the MVP Cup (you can come up with whatever conclusion you have about that too).

    Bluntly, winning the first set 15-13 is an understatement when you lose the last set at 1-15.

    Today, I was watching the awarding of the medals for the WD at the WC and this white guy was talking about how the US will NOT be ready to reach WC levels in a long time (please take note that Tony Gunawan and Howard Bach are not natural born Americans). I love my country but I think I'd rather be realistic and accept the fact that we will need a lot more time and effort before a Filipino does reach top ranks.

    I support the Asuncion siblings and I have nothing against them. I hope they do get to the top ranks but until then, let's not get blown away.

    I guess I've just gotten tired of "they won the first set 15-13." It takes at least 2 sets to win a match!!! However, when they do win those 2 sets and they get to the top 10, I'll be cheering them on.
     
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    Sometimes it is good to have a reality check once in a while, otherwise we lose our heads in the clouds.
     
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    if they always play better than they played in the first set you are talking about then maybe they will....but if they're inconsistent and play like the third set...no chance....i do hope that the situation for the badminton team in the phils changes....they're getting way too little support from what i see....

    oh, it's always nice to see the phils compete internationally....not just in badminton...:D
     
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    You certainly need more than just the Asuncions to raise the standard of the game in the Philippines. To start off with, you have too small a base of talented players, just like Singapore. It seems you now have the hardware, but equally, if not more important, is that you need the software - good coaches (in this case, foreign coaches), an infrastructure of good offcials and administrators, etc and this takes time to develop!

    Yes you need money too, to help you achieve your goals. :)
     
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    Very good observation Loh... Hopefully the Philippines can come up with, find funding, and implement a program that will eventually produce a LOT of TOP caliber players that can compete at the highest level among the world's best :)
     
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    I agree with you. We have to consider also that Badminton was just popular in the Philipines 2 to 3 years ago and I guess only those times that sports institutions in the country implemented serious programs for badminton.

    For now, I'm happy for the effort of the Asuncions. Indeed they are not in top 10 of the world but reaching last 16 in 2005 WC is something already considering the history of badminton in the Philippines. We should be proud of this!

    Yes, we need money to develop world class players. Thus, we need private sectors to get into the sports, as we all knew that Filipino atlhetes are not getting enough support from the Government.

    My two cents...
     
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    First of all, you can get to the top 10 without ever beating the world's number one. Just look at everyone in women's singles. Several women who end up in the top 10 never beat Zhang Ning. The encouraging sign that everyone is talking about is that the Filipino pair was playing neck and neck with the world's best. England never looked as if they could relax until the final set. I agree one mustn't conclude that they have already arrived but in the context of what other signs one has had for encouragement in the Philippines, this has to rank among the most encouraging.

    Also, Tony Gunawan's success can be attributed solely to his development in Indonesia. The only part the United States played was in bringing him to their country and bringing his coach. Howard Bach, on the other hand, may not have been born in the U.S. but his entire development as a badminton player happened in the U.S. I don't care how good your partner is - and you don't get much better than Tony Gunawan - you can't win a WC gold with only one world-class player. At the very least, you have to admit that a guy who learned to play badminton in the U.S., on at least this one occasion, raised his game to a level good enough to beat the best in the world and that says something.
     
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    I have to agree that Robertson/Emms didn't give 100% in first match. I don't know about now but Asuncion/Asuncion still have to improve a lot to be able to get into the elite top 10. Just to name one, their serves are awful, especially Kennie's. I still maintain she has to use backhand serve.
     
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    as an asuncion fanatic, its great to beat the world's best pair, even once.. i think they really can reach not only the top 10 but also top 5.. as wat mt. apo said, badminton is just popular 2-3 yrs ago and its not easy to produce world champs in dat period of time.. dey will 1st suffer humiliating losses to the top rankers then they will get lessons.. and as an addition to that, nathan robertson said in a interview with him after their game against the filipinos pride that "their rankings will increase if they will play like that in every game aand eventually will reach the top 5 if they continue that." thats all.. i support them both.. asuncions rocks!!
     

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