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Can the Malaysian win a gold medal?

Discussion in 'Olympics BEIJING 2008' started by weeyet, Sep 20, 2007.

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  1. Green72(CAN)

    Green72(CAN) Regular Member

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    Is the a way to the font of the title of this post so that the whole forum doesn't get stretched out?
     
  2. samuel882

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    I believe LCW can learn from his mistakes in WC & bounced back strongly in Olympics..;)
    Anyway, this thread is putting up too much pressure for MAS players :rolleyes:
     
  3. pjswift

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    Concur with you that kkk/tbh are unlikely to win the gold although they are far from being a spent force.ctf/lww probably have a better chance if they can understand more about using their energy levels in a smarter way against top MDs but be ruthless and never let their guard down when facing lesser opponents.
    However I' m surprised you're still fixated at lcw's image a year ago.Losing the MO07 and winning the IO07 has transformed LCW into a fearless player.(Sure he may have lost in WC,so what?) LCW may not look it but he's probably one of the mentally toughest players.He just needs to hone his tactics to perfection and he'll be quite a scary opponent even to top guns.
    I agree umpires at OG08 will be international but the line judges will be largely, if not all, Chinese.
     
  4. Oldhand

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    Hmmmm

    I stand by my observations.
    KKK and TBH might be great players on their own but this partnership is definitely an empty prospect at the 2008 Olympics.

    If you were to analyze their game, one aspect would become quite clear.
    They're far from capable when it comes to setting up a winning shot.
    Most of their points come from capitalizing on their opponents' errors.

    The ability to kill an even slightly wayward shuttle is a necessary talent...
    ...but what's more important is the ability to set up a kill.
    It was this skill that allowed Joo Bong Park to rule the scene in his time.
    On the day their opponents play a near-faultless game, KKK & TBH would simply wither away.
    And that's exactly what's been happening in recent tournaments.

    Speed, power and stamina don't win games... they only help win games.
    Strategy, positioning and placement are what win games.
    I doubt if KKK & TBH have any of these traits in them, in required measure.

    However, all this could change if KKK & TBH were to strive to acquire such skills. The question is, will they?

    As for LCW, I'd say that you're being deceived by his appearance of calmness.
    In fact, it is a self-imposed mask that helps hide his nervousness.
    Look at how easily he crumbles and begins to bleed points at the last mile... it was evident even during his triumphant run at the Japan Open.

    A mentally tough player would be someone like Hendrawan or Han Jian.
    Even at match point, it was as if they were preparing for the opening serve.
    Although LCW has less than a year to condition his mind and approach, he might just make it there.

    At least, I hope he does.
     
  5. Kamen

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    Are you sure? :eek:
     
  6. samuel882

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    In NSS , especially in doubles, which pairs did not winning most of the points by capitalizing opponents' errors. ?
    Whoever make the fewer mistakes will win the match eventually..
    There isn't any pair of the world is capable of playing an error free match.
     
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    A bit off topic-Or..

    ..it could also be the other way around; skill/technique is equally as important;)...If one has great strategy, positioning and placement, but doesn't have the speed, power and stamina (and skill/technique), how would one be able to execute the shot/play??...:confused::cool:
     
  8. taufik-ist

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    i have speed and power.. but i can't still beat TH :D :D....
     
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    It's great to have the reasoning behind your opinion.I wouldn't worry about LCW's mind. His self-talk under pressure has been good and improving.What LCW needs to do more ,in the build up to OG08, is to experiment more with tactics so as to suss out his opponents' hitherto unknown weaknesses and to put them under tremendous mental pressure.He should aim for that because he has the unique combination of skills for experimenting.For example, he can explore playing the second half of a game quite differently from the first so as to make his opponent's coach advice at the 11-mark interval obsolete.There are many other possibilities to explore.
    Let me say I respect your opinions more when accompanied with your rationale.
     
  10. Oldhand

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    Grrrrrrrrrr

    Er, what was that again? :eek:
    Did anyone say 'strategy, positioning and placement' without 'speed, power and stamina'? :confused:
     
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    Off topic-Uuhm, what i meant...

    ..(okay, you got me, i didn't word it properly; hope you won't be as "upset"):p;)
    ..What i meant was, IMO, all of those factors are equally as important; as, IMO, not 1 or 2 factor(s) is/are above the rest..And, IMO, there are 3 factors:
    -technique/skill
    -stamina/physical aspect (which, IMO, include 'speed, power & stamina') and
    -court smart/mental aspect (which, IMO, include 'strategy, positioning & placement')..;):cool:
     
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    here you are........again.........i like you so much bananaboy :D:D:D:D:D
     
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    i think is too early to predict and bring this question out now...we might not know what happened in the next few months...however just for the sake of discussion any malaysia men players (sorry gals) be it single or doubles have what it takes to become an olympic gold medallist. be it LCW, WCH or even HH? as for doubles, KKK/TBH, LWW/CTF.... but is now up to the players and coaches to know what they need to do to accomplish this tasks....as many might pointed out...malaysian players tend to shine in smaller tournament and suddenly drop in grand tournament, WC07? is time for them to think of a better way for the players to peak at the right tournament and not putting unnecessary pressure to them. and finally all malaysian must stand by their side even when they are down and not talking bad about them....
    what i can say, is time for every players and malaysians to believe that we are capable to achieve it....just a matter of time....
     
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    Guess what... I won the Hong Kong Open MD bet :p
    KKK/TBH who? :D

    French Open... China Open... Hong Kong Open...
    ...the procession of defeat has only begun :)
    I'd strongly think so.

    The psychics were right too. :p
     
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    Malaysia For Gold I Support You!!!
     
  16. Tommy Susanto

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    SIN will land the first gold

    Another old pop talking:D:p:cool::rolleyes:;):eek:You are all wrong, Kendrick Lee of SIN is going to beat Malaysia in landing the first gold:p;):D:eek:
     
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    Spent force? Maybe, maybe not. I would put it as young in partnership & experience. Only 1 year partnership, 22 & 20 year old lads with 4 SS titles, 2 GP Gold titles, 1 AG Champ to boot.
    Or shall I say Rexy wouldnt let them be spent force.
    Like you said "Strategy, positioning, placement are what win games." they're learning all that - havent reached there yet.

    1) As comparision, Kido/Setiawan crashed out earlier rounds 1st 7 months of 2007, up till 2007 - if they are Msian MD, they would have been written off, but they bounced back later half of the year. 1st half 2007 many Indonesia fans were worried Kido/Setiawan were would wither away like Luluk/Alvent.

    2) Fu/Cai - also been defeated left, right in later part of 2007.
    ++ Kido/Setiawan, Fu/Cai have been partnering longer than KKK/TBH


    3) Of course Tony/Chandra are having a resurgence but Tony isnt going for Oly 2008, so one less opponent.

    4) Then, of course there's the Korea pair Lee/Jung - WC runner-up, one SS win (or was it Hwang/Lee), one GP win, also young pair.

    We shall see..... 8 more months....
     
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    DOn't suprise tat GOLD MEDAL for Malaysia in OG'08 is FROM WOMEN SINGLE - WONG MEW CHOO :p
     
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    Malaysia will win two !
     
  20. george@chongwei

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    wow,:eek::eek:
    1 olyimpic gold medal is worth 1 million??:confused::rolleyes::cool::eek::eek:
     
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