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Help needed with high serves..

Discussion in 'Techniques / Training' started by jhirata, Feb 22, 2008.

  1. jhirata

    jhirata Regular Member

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    Okay.. I'm not too sure with my skill level, I guess I am somewhere around the intermediate-level. I've played badminton for three years now.

    Recently, almost ALL my high serves go too far, sometimes over the baseline by up to about 3-4m. Even if I strike the shuttle really lightly, it still goes out by a meter or so.. and if I aim higher, it hits the ceiling, which is a fault. I basicly have no control over my high serves.

    Last week at the social intra-school games, I basicly gave away 5 points to the opponent from my high serves going out in singles. One of them made the shuttle stuck onto the ceiling.

    Also, I irritate my friends when we practise clears because they cant clear back my serve. I didnt have this problem until I got used to my armortec700. Many of my friends do not understand how I keep doing this..

    What should I do to gain more control over my high serves ?
    Could it be the problem with my technique ?
    Should I stop doing high-serves ?
    I wouldnt blame the racquet because how can a racquet have so much effect on the power ?

    Any advice ?

    /jhirata
     
  2. OSFcross

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    I think the easiest thing would be to increase your tension. Try to do your reach-the-ceiling service with increased tension. It's doubt it's gonna go anywhere near the ceiling this time.
     
  3. jhirata

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    Hmm.. it might hit the ceiling easier, because.. all I have in stock is NBG98, NBG95 and a pack of BG65Power, which I am already using at 26lbs. I dont really want to increase the tension any further, because I dont trust the stringing jobs by the stringers at the *only* badminton shop nearby.
     
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    Wow, that sux. I guess the next best thing to do is to practice your high serve with a slower swing if you have the time.
     
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    Stand further back lol...
     
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    erm.... yea stand further back, or use a higher string tension....
    how about trying a flatter serve?
     
  7. jhirata

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    The problem is that if I stand further back and serve, the opponents always target the front corners with slice-drops, and I struggle to return it back. Lunging is a difficulty for me right now, because I have a very sore back from all these lunging and badminton training.
    I guess I'll try getting my racquet restrung at a higher tension. 27 - 28 lbs ? I'm afraid that the frame might get deformed though, because my mp40's frame because narrower and longer even at 24lbs.
     
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    that could be a problem... stringing at that tension... how about a more repulsive string??
     
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    Try not using ANY strength. Like, just swing the racket.
     
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    Yea how about just controling your shots better? realising that the level of strenth you currently are using is to great. Just hit the shuttle more gently and it wont go as far, simple really. just practice hitting with a reduced force until the shuttle starts to land in.
     
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    Theres is nothing wrong with your power. Its just the control of it. Forget about switching your gear, just practice. Having too much power in your shot is easier to manage than having too little power.
     
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    Yeah I guess.. practise is the only way to improve my control.
     
  13. Cheung

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    We need more information;)

    What types of shuttles are you using?

    Have you tested them for the correct speed?

    Are you playing at altitude?

    What is the relative humidity of the atmosphere?

    What is the height of the ceiling?

    Is the court drawn properly?
     
  14. jhirata

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    Shuttles: All feather, GreenPine shuttles ( similar to YY Official )

    Altitude: Quite low I believe, because I live like.. right next to the sea.

    Relative Humidity: 88% according to intellicast.com

    Height of ceiling: Pretty high.. higher than most courts I've played at in Singapore and in Japan.

    Is the court drawn properly ? : Yes it must be drawn correctly, the badminton centre is considered one of the 'best' in NewZealand.
     
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    Not good enough. You may have played in very low ceiling places before. I've played in places where it's impossible to do decent high clear.

    There's a place in Wimbledon, London, UK where they have hosted international players and the ceiling is definitely not the highest around.

    But if it's the best badminton centre in NZ, are other people having the same problem?

    And what about the speed of the shuttles?
     
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    I believe that the ceiling is high enough, though it's possible to strike the shuttle directly upwards and make the shuttle hit the ceiling. The ceiling is not flat, the highest point of the ceiling is right above the net, and it gradually gets lower as it gets closer to the baseline. From the baseline, I can strike the shuttle directly at the ceiling and make the shuttle hit it.

    I also dont know anyone else having this same serving problem as me.

    My guess is that I should just stop using high serves, and only do short backhand serves instead, like how many professional MS players do.
     
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    Try to hook up the racket while on impact (together with your wrist), this will prevent the shuttle from going too far back. Also shift your standing position accordingly. Move a step to the back gradually to see if it helps (this is what I'll do as my hooks and impact point is consistent). Focus on hitting it as high as possible instead of distance. hook it up. Most advance players practice serves for hours. You'll need to do that. Once you are into a consistent rythm, you're done.

    Just take a couple of steps to the front after serving if you are afraid of front shots coming back to you.

    Definitely nothing to do with rackets. It's always the player issue. You can give a lousy racket to a normal or advance player and they can still beat a lousy player with the most expensive rackets in the world. Hope this helps.
     
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    Yeah, I understand the concept. Thank you!
     
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    If you can't control the power of your high serve, then something is wrong with your technique.

    You should always be able to reduce power. Perhaps you are using a rigid hitting technique where you take a great uncontrolled swipe at the shuttle. Try to relax!
     
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    yeah, i don't really see how this can be a problem.
    i don't understand the concept of not being able to control your power enough such that the shuttle doesn't land within the court.
    maybe it's something i really have to see to fully comprehend.
     

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