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IBF is a joke (propaganda to promote new scoring system)

Discussion in 'Rules / Tournament Regulation / Officiating' started by ccskaki, Dec 16, 2005.

  1. ccskaki

    ccskaki Regular Member

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    Try having a look at the latest article on their official website:

    http://www.intbadfed.org/Portal/desktopdefault.aspx?tabid=10&ItemID=1903

    The last paragraph reads:
    " The event has received positive feedback from many people and although there are some quarters who have expressed alternative opinions, it seems that the overall consensus is that many have welcomed the new scoring system. Umpire Tomoharu Sano of Japan said: "The game is now very fast and the officials have to be very alert too at all times. It's an exciting change." "

    Wow, so according to this IBF article, the new scoring format was welcomed by most people (overall consensus). But why can't they find a positive comment from the top players or coaches who are the people most qualified to give a professional opinion? Why can't they find a positive comment from the spectators who are the ones really concerned about the entertainment value of matches. No they have to get a comment from an UMPIRE!

    The reason is because the truth is that most players didn't like the new scoring system. Just read your newspapers (not written by IBF).

    IBF must be desperate. Someone must have some personal agenda behind all this.
     
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    Any comments from spectators with first hand experience? Anything heard through the grapevine? Anything other than IBF and media comments?
     
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    Just my personal opinion from watching the games online. The current scoring system works really well with Singles Games, because you do notice a definate amount of time saved, and the players have to be more careful about their shots as singles should be. But for doubles I think they should keep the rule of only getting a point in your service while maintaining it without a second serve, this way the game can "slow down" a little and we the viewers can enjoy a more "Lengthy" and exciting game (Even the chinese commentators say the doubles game, especially MD, is the jewel of watching badminton but isn't that fun to watch right now, despite their china team winning, hahaha) . Just some thoughts after watching the games...
     
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    I watched the game between Bao and Sairul Amar. The whole watch was over in a very short time. Shorter doesn't make it more interesting. There's no more depth in the game. Only smash smash smash. I want to see more of the other skills which are equally important. But no, now it's like 2 mad man playing against each other. There's no sense of professionalism anymore.

    If one day badminton matches at the highest level last only about 35 - 40 minutes, it's going to degenerate into an amateur sport.
     
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    One perhaps unintentional side-effect of the new scoring format to shorten matches is that we may no longer be able to use the often quoted Han Jian vs. Morten Frost and Kevin Curren vs. Boris Becker match statistics to show just how physically demanding badminton is. I mean those statistics will always stand, but if the new scoring system stays, then they'll no longer be applicable.
     
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    Ccskaki, I don't think you should develop such a strong opinion on one match (if indeed you only saw one match). But i'm gonna sound a bit hypocritical here, since i myself have only been privy to a single match, and base what i can on that. The match I saw was Chen jin against Hafiz. I gotta say, I liked how that game was played out through the new scoring system. The pace of that game was considerably faster than many games i've seen using the 3X15 system. It highlighted Chen Jin's potential to become one of the best players out there, showing just how explosive a player he can be. In fact, I think it was his initiative to push the pace of the game as fast as he could that caused Hafiz to falter and lose the match. Hafiz just couldn't keep up.

    The match couldn't have taken more than 35 minutes, but i don't think that short limit of time prevented these two players from playing their best or from showing how skilled they are with a badminton racket. Anyway, it's only been a couple days since the new scoring system has taken effect. I think there's much more to see with the new scoring system with the world cup finals coming up.
     
  7. wedgewenis

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    I just vomited all over my keyboard....

    I totally buy what the guy is saying about the Umpire ... its quite obvious a very large portion of players, coaches and fans are going to reject this deal. This is the IBF swallowing its own BS. What a crock of PR nonsense.

    Even if this went official and Pro badminton was 21x3 from now on ... I can't see for the life of me anyone at my local club buying into this crap, not that a random club matters - my point is that for the average player I dont think this is a desired change .... Canada has rejected this proposal so far as I know they are Not officially adopting this for National play... I'm sure there muse be other countries (even ones bigger in Badminton) who don't wish this either.
     
  8. merlin

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    ...give it a try

    Funny thing - I was playing yesterday using the old scoring system. I will try to remember to use the new system next time I play.

    We should all try the new system in our games, and then come back here.
     
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    i think in the long run, players will play the way they are most comfortable. over time, the small group of pencil pushers at the IBF will be off the council, and a new group will be cleaning up the mess this current group made. unfortunately, as history tends to perpetually repeat itself, this will likely happen again in another few years, with new group of over-zealous desk-jockeys, and we will have the same old discussions once again.

    in the meantime, nothing has changed. there will not be a mass of new players flooding into the sport. there will be no budweiser sponsorship, or a super-bowl hype of any badminton event in North America...

    it will simply be a few forgotten little people who tried making a change... a change that few people wanted... what a waste of time and manpower...
     
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    The sad thing is, in the U.S., badminton is "basically" an amateur sport. :(
     
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    LOL! Quite, an appropriate response. :p
     
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    Well, just look at the language of that highlighted text. it seems that the overall consensus is that many have welcomed : The deception is couched in 3 levels of uncertainty. Not most but many. Not a majority opinion or survey result but overall consensus and all that consensus is about is that many people welcomed it, not that the system is good. In other words, the people who may or may not have been polled didn't necessarily like it themselves, but rather they may have simply been of the opinion that many other people welcomed it. Think about it. You could talk to spectators and ask them whether they got the impression that many people in the IBF liked it and then come up with an overall consensus that many people in the IBF like the new system. Or perhaps there was an overall consensus within the IBF committee that not everyone hated it but rather that 23 people over in the corner (ie "many") welcomed this change. Finally, it only seems that this was the overall consensus. In other words, no one actually did any polling or otherwise had a reliable way of gauging the consensus. It tells you something when a writer has to build this much uncertainty into the language of a report. Then look at what the umpire actually said. They look like the words of someone who lives by the old adage "if you can't think of anything nice to say ..." He (she?) is trying so hard to find something positive in it. It's exciting...for an umpire. Because of the match? No, because the game moves so fast and the umpire has to be alert to keep from being confused.
    I was watching the Korean nationals with several people with whom I normally play. I can say quite confidently that the overall consensus seemed to be that the doubles matches were too short, that 16-10 meant the game was already over, and that trying to figure out who should be serving was pointless.
     
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    i read Taufik's response @ http://www.bolanews.com/edisi-cetak/bultang.htm

    he said: [font=Arial,Helvetica][size=-1]“Satu gim hanya sepuluh menit, nggak sampai setengah jam pertandingan selesai. Enggak enak. Saya lebih suka menggunakan skor 15 seperti biasanya”[/size][/font]
    (one game completed in 10 minutes, and not more than half-an-hour the whole match completed. not interesting. I prefer 15 points system)


    i think IBF so dumb stupid... :mad::mad:

    it's true what CCSKAKI said... IBF never asked the players....
    Taufik said: those ppl nv asked my opinion before... (which i assume: IBF nv ask all players)
     
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    The IBF oficials are appointed and governed by a General Meeting attended by more than 150 country delegates. IBF officials come from almost all countries, from China to 'Tinbaktu". :D . The power to select also carries the power to sack, change, or a slap on the wrist. There are also powerful national badminton associations that can tell the IBF off. The final decision on the new system will be made by the IBF council, not one or two officials. In the council you have China, Japan, Korea, Indonesia, Malaysia, Denmark, USA, Canada, Australia, Nigeria, Sweden, England, and many others representing all the continents.
    The best way to have your views heard is through your national association and they can find a way to cast their vote. This is how the system works. The power is with the grassroot associations, unless yoy feel that all your countries' representatives are crooks or corrupt. :D
     
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    well, if it is so welcomed... they never ask any opinion here (Philippines..). No one even uses it... no one even tried to use it.. you don't have to, to know its a load of crap.

    in case the IBF is reading this...

    your new scoring system is a load of skunk manure!!! :D

    sorry for the outburst.. just can stand blatant lying .. and this new press release is just that or at the very least one sided reporting..
     
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    It is the same with me. No one notified me let alone ask for my opinion. I had not even heard about it until now. Neither have I tried it. I guess in the scheme of things, I don't really count-for after all who am I? Until I become a member of the Hong Kong Badminton Association, I guess they won't even bother to hear me out.:D
    I am sure the IBF Philippines council member Edgar Aglipay was in the know. Likewise, I am sure the players, officials, coaches, umpires, linesmen at the ongoing World Cup Championships knew about it. This is understandable, because these people do count as they are involved in this daring experiment. This way of doing things are very cost effective, not unlike sending out new prototype racquets for selective testers before finalizing the end product.
     
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    How come you have been arguing in favour of the new system over the last few days then?

    And if one person counts for so little why do you argue that others that oppose this silly new system (that is so obviously dangerous to the sport) should make their views felt as individuals?

    The sort of weasel statements quoted by the original poster show us just how much of an independent evaluation of the experiment can be expected from the IBF. And also why no evaluation criteria have been published. There are none - this change will be bulldozed through regardless.
     
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    Yeap. The so-called "experimenting the new system" is just a show. IBF is not open-minded about the result of experiment because they have already decided that they WANT to implement it.
     
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    Well, my view on this new scoring system is: Games are way too short especially doubles!
     
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    LOL, that phrase remind me of corporate management decision making process.


    Club Organizers to Federation VPs: the players say the propose plan is foul smelling and reek of skunk manure.

    Federation VPs to Council President: the people say the plan has a strong pungent smell like fementing organic compose.

    Council President to IBF Chairman: the people say the plan is like a strong fertilizer.

    IBF Chairman: The IBF had listened to the people and this plan will provide nutrient for fantastic growth. I declare the propose plan as corporate policy.
     
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