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Indian Badminton League (IBL)

Discussion in 'India Professional Players' started by depleter, Nov 10, 2012.

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  1. depleter

    depleter Regular Member

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    Wow!this is said many times already now....The prize money is not the main criteria here,as u can see only the top 2 teams would get the prize money and the rest would get nothing ...
     
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    According to somebody, CBSL does not need any foreign players. But BAI should try their best to persuade China to at least let their second stringers. Whats the point he is making here with such a contradictory statement?.

    CBA should increase the number of foreign players. Because there are more valuable talented players in the world arena. They have to be taken to play for CBSL. Lee chong wei is good. There is no doubt in that. Lots more are there as well.

    Only 6 franchise teams would be there during the start of the tournament. That means 24 foreign players are going to participate. Out of that, how many belong to which nation, everything will be known only during auction. So, we have to wait and watch till the auction date. Lee Chong Wei, Taufik Hidayat , Ratchanok are sure. I hope even mitani may get selected.
     
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    Prize money is an issue that does not concern the players. The prize money is for the "team" i.e. the owners of the winning team/s.

    The players will gain whatever is bid for them at the auctions. From the marketing and popularising standpoint, the correct approach is to let the public in India know that the Indian players get the highest base price. The Indian players are stars and already highly marketeable in India, a country that is fervent about their chosen sports stars. So IMO this is correct strategy by the organisers.

    Now, each franchise will be aware that they need the best available players to win the tournament, and this in turn will mean bidding wars for the best international players. I wouldn't be surprised if some of the top people go for far more than $50K each. What would be interesting is to see if the teams are given a budget cap for the auctions, and what the budget is. As yet, there has been no word on this.

    Frankly, if I were the CBA, I'd not give up on the opportunity this presents. Allowing some of the top China players to participate will be great for expanding the awareness of badminton in a huge, as-yet-untapped market with huge potential. But it will be much bigger in terms of the sporting message that is sent by these 2 Asian giants who have not always been friends. And the Chinese players have an equal chance to become household names in a country that revers sporting heroes.
     
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    Precisely,all the more the franchisees will strive to win the top two prizes to recoup their investments and start making money (I'm not speculating on other means, side betting?). You play to win.

    @scorpion, 'contradictory statement?'. I'm afraid you've confused yourself, a simple reading of my entire post would clarify your mind.

    I merely wish to contribute my 2-cents' worth. You needn't be so negative towards any views that appear not to accord with yours and would appreciate input from various people,not just Indian fans and supporters.

    If you'r serious about IBL, make it good if not the best in the world. What's the ultimate purpose of IBL? For the franchisees and players to make money or for India to become a badminton major power?
     
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    For clarification,as it is an Ipl type league I will take the example of IPL here.

    The Prize money is not a big issue for the franchises.In IPl the total prize money is $5million with the winning team getting $2 million,but if u see at teams auctioning,franchises like pune warriors went for $370million for 10 years,so u can say $37million a year....this clearly shows that prize money is never a factor from starting...
     
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    @justin , i am not confused. I just pointed out two different statements of you. You were saying that you dont want any foreign players to play CBSL. That means, you want only chinese players to play CBSL. Then Whats the point in calling just three outsiders. But according to your second statement, BAI need to persuade chinese side for them to send their players to play IBL... Why?? For money??? Or just you made the statement like that. IF you dont want any foreign players to participate CBSL, my question is how you are expecting your players to participate IBL.. The two statements made me to think like that...Thats what i meant to point out. I expected you to reply me like that you welcome more foreign players to play CBSL. so that they can earn more experience playing more chinese players right. But you replied that i was confused..According to me, chinese players are good in badminton. But why not they call more foreign people to participate CBSL..
     
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    Just showing the economics of IPL here....

    Economics of the Indian Premier League
    Q: How does IPL make money?
    • Auction of broadcasting rights
    • Title sponsorship and corporate sponsorship
    • Sale of tickets (20% of tickets allocated to IPL)
    • Auction of franchisees rights
    • Official umpire’s sponsorships
    Q: How is the IPL income distributed?
    • Share of broadcasting money with franchisees
    • Share of sponsorship money with franchisees
    • Share of ticket money with franchisees
    • Inauguration expenses
    • Prize money: $5 million ($3 million for winner; $2 million divided among others)
    Q: What are the sources of income for an IPL Franchisee (ROI)?
    • Share in revenue from broadcast rights (equal share for all franchisee after IPL’s share)
    • Share in sponsorship money (60% of the amount distributed equally)
    • Share in revenue from sale of tickets
    • Revenue from in-stadium advertising
    • Sale of players to other franchisee
    • Revenue from own sponsorship and corporate sponsorship
    Q: How is the Franchisee income distributed?
    • Franchisee fees – 10% of total franchisee costs every year to IPL
    • Players’ cost (Each franchise have paid around $4-6 million per year)
    • Match fees and Inauguration expenses
    • Rent of stadium (expense of around Rs.2.5mn per match)
    • Marketing and promotional cost (around $3-4mn per team)
    • Fee for coaches, physiotherapists and other members.
    • Administrative cost
     
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    When was I making fun of anything? I just found it funny that the article would rate gutta/ponappa with a base price higher than Lin Dan & Lee Chong Wei on the basis that they are Indian. And anyway, who's "we"? Is it your decision whether the Chinese team are getting called? :p:p


    I hope that "somebody" isn't me :p

    Seriously, you underestimate the Chinese provincial players. Have you ever seen CBSL?


    http://youtu.be/eUI0aw9mYRg

    This guy I bet not many has heard of him, but look how he plays. The point I was making (whether you like it or not is another question) is that many of the second string Chines players (not even national squad players) could beat many of the Indian top players. I can list about 10 I can think of off the top of my head who I reckon could beat most (if not all)

    Tian Houwei, Zhou Wenlong, Chen Yukeun, Qiao Bin etc etc.

    So why not send 2nd string players? Just cause they're not as marketable? At the end of the day, the franchise will care about winning, and they'll want to pick the best talent at the cheapest price to maximise revenue.

    Edit: I should add that I never intend to cause offence (and can't see where I have done)
     
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    @depleter,thanks for the clarification and information.

    I get your point. From the franchisee's point of view,even if they make most of their money from other avenues,they still have to aim for the IBL championship or at least runner-up as well as having hugely popular players in their teams, if not those sponsors,advertisers,etc may lose interest. Which means even the local Indian players will have to perform creditably and not lose all the time, so before they spend the 50k they will think long and hard.

    Btw,how are the income shared among the franchisees? In equal percentage? I doubt so, except for the two mentioned,i.e.broadcast rights and general,not own, sponsorship; there might be a scale, with the top teams getting more of it, I suppose.

    More important is their own corporate sponsors, big-time sponsors will go for the better teams. The sale of top,marketable players is a lucrative business too.
     
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    "Discrimination much? Those 2 are not worth 5k let alone 50k." What do you call this ?.. How are you judging as if you are well known to the factors which are necessary to value a person.;) This is why i came here to reply. :D

    If you are not at all making fun of it, what is that?. Just simply you valued with your imaginary calculation process with unknown attributes? How come you judged it. Any thesis behind your work?? Lol.
     
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    Well,it only shows LDrules is willing to bid at most 5k whereas scorpion is happy to pay 50k, that's all. What's the problem.:p:D Any franchisee/bidder has a right to place any value they like or not bid at all,simple as that.Relax.:)
     
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    Okay, would you like my calculus behind my logic? Here:

    Number of titles won by Gutta/Ponnappa in the last 3 years? How many? The same amount as all of us in this thread (0) (commonwealth games doesn't count as that is not a BWF Sanctioned event.

    So the number of titles is compatible to that of the Chinese players I mentioned already.

    So why would it be 50k? Where is the basis for such a large fee? There is no pedigree behind that valuation!

    If Lee CW is $25k and he has won several titles this year, then why would it be 50k each for a pair that the best they've done is QF in the last 2 years?

    Now do you see where I'm coming from?

    I get that they're Indian, so you can market them, but if you're saying that's the sole basis then maybe india isn't ready to have foreign players playing in the IBL. If the badminton public haven't heard of LCW and LD, then maybe the level of promotion hasn't been big enough yet to warrant these players.

    Peace.✌
     
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    Lindan may be big in your country. India dont need to promote badminton using lindan's name. Will you promote badminton using saina's name in your country?....Even if we want to promote, we can go for Lee chong wei, who is well known to everybody. Have you seen the last two editions of Indian Open . The way people chanting his name is the proof. But the way you said that the two doubles players not worth more than 5k is ridiculous. BAI has decided to give that base value to indian players. We are not talking about chinese premier league, where china will concentrate on their own players not foreigners(they never call them to play), its indian premier league. For CBSL, china did not even call saina to participate. But BAI has decided to call chinese players . That itself is a great thing. :D
    But Its too odd to talk about a person's worth :(. You did not even get the basic meaning of IBL. Its similar to IPL for cricket. Just go ahead and read all those related topics and then come and do your imaginary comparisons and values.. Lol
     
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    As for your point on income shared only the income which the league organisers get is shared,the franchises would be having their own income like the ticket sales(i.e, each city would be having their own home ground and the tickets sales would be going to the franchises) they would have their own sponsorship deals etc....

    the income may not exactly depend on the winning percentage....as if we take IPL ,during the first season the only franchise that broke even is kolkatta knightriders owned by none other than shah rukh khan and co....while the rest broke even in 2nd or 3rd seasons....It's all in the marketing...

    It's never about big time sponsors going for better teams...it's all about sponsors trying to reach out into that area....

    However,I think that Saina would be the highest auctioned person here ,rest others...But if this goes as in IPL,the icons would get 15% more than the highest auctioned person in the same team....so all this questions and queries are unnecessary as both jwala and ashwini are icons here...

    I actually think that lee chong wei will go to the 6th franchise which did not purchase any icon...and as for lin dan and other Chinese..I actually doubt CBA would allow them to play in India...
     
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    Did not get what you meant by India isn't ready to have foreign players playing in the IBL....
     
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    Ibl will definitely make badminton popular in india. I am sure people will start to know LD, LCW, WYH etc if they play here.
     
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    Like anything new, there will be quirks and decisions that won't appeal to all. I'm just excited that this is one step towards Badminton becoming more popular on the world stage.

    In order for this to happen, other countries need to start doing well in international competition. Saina has successfully done this for India - congratulations!
     
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    I think this is a very interesting development. One observation I have had about IPL (on which IBL is based) is it is less about cricketing genius and more about a spectacle. IPL creators went after the movie market - offering cricket in a 3 hour package, which is about the length of an average indian movie. They put the times of the games the same, put cheer leaders and DJs in stadium, put out good food. So people came in for a good time, the game was an added attraction.
    For IBL to be successful, it has to follow the same model. In which case, it is not as much about winning or losing, as it is about giving entertainment. If you remember the movie Gladiator, the hero slays everyone quickly and asks the crowd, 'Are you not entertained?'. And they werent.
    In this way, IBL is different (possibly) from CBSL. i dont know much about CBSL, but it sounds like it is less about the money and more about playing against very good players without influencing your ranking points.
    JustinL - your point about LCW and LD being much better players is absolutely valid. But, more popular is not always the same as best player. Jwala Gutta, due to scandals and associations with married players was much more popular than Saina. Then Saina won some major tournaments and become more popular. So, people who watch IBL are there to have a good time, and they want to watch famous and infamous players. Taufik is a legend in India. LCW is popular as well. A lot of people know about Peter Gade. As an example (and a parallel to IPL), Andrew Symonds commanded a high price even though he was not the best player - because he was infamous due to a controversy with Indian players.
    The main thing IBL will achieve is making badminton more popular in India. It will provide a venue for less famous players in India get some financial support. It will get more pople playing it seriously.
    It wont necessarily improve the quality of badminton in India (there are many tournaments including India SS already).
    It would be a loss if China decides not to field it's players. Those are some of the most keenly contested matches.
     
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    Excellent post by abans! I think it very succinctly sums up the ground realities and the approaches taken.
     
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    Actually, Saina is used more to promote badminton here than any other female player, so that logic isn't really valid at all here. And if you've already said that LCW isn't known, how can you use him?

    My valuation isn't ridiculous, it was based on solid reasoning based on tournament results (factually sound information)

    China do call in foreigners to play, for all you know Saina could have been asked to play already.

    And for your information I understand IPL as I follow it (Mumbai Indians are the team I support cause of Lasith Malinga) so I understand fully how it works

    Well if no one knows the world and Olympic champions, then what's the point in having them?
     
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