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It's time for Misbun Sidek to work for Malaysian Badminton without BAM

Discussion in 'Malaysia Professional Players' started by chris-ccc, Jan 7, 2011.

  1. Loh

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    This is what I fear if BAM wants to show who is 'boss'.

    If BAM decides on the INA model, i.e. allow players like TH to turn professional and yet eligible to represent INA in SS and international tournaments, then LCW's livelihood will not be affected. Of course TH is special and has powerful supporters and admirers. Can we say the same of LCW?

    If BAM acts like LYB, then both MS and LCW will have no chance to survive as well as they did in the past, I'm afraid.

    I think LCW can go independent, even without MS, provided he has good sparring partners. The recent SS Masters Final has proven that he can beat all his opponents (when LD is not present) even without MS by his side.
     
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  2. pBmMalaysia

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    "By right , BAM should treat Misbun, LCW, Rexy , KK / TBH as different from other coaches & players because they have brought success to BAM & country. In this situation it ' s evident that BAM or certain officials cannot differentiate between managing successful players & non /not yet successful players ."

    probably this is "comment of the week" :D
     
  3. SibugiChai

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    agreed

    If BAM is a company, LCW, KKK&TBH should be promoted to be directors of the company with profit sharing!!!
     
  4. jug8man

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    No not double standard. no where near apples and oranges

    1 has contributed much while another has only 'recieved'

    1 had the leverage to negotiate, the other clearly did not

    1 has been up front about their intention... the other was.....

    There was alot more into the TCS case that even public would not side on his case.
     
  5. extremenanopowe

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    Maybe a non event after all. Life goes on. Tidak apa la... ;)
     
  6. eaglehelang

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    I like this one more,lol : Sports association who are governed by reps from state association sometimes do not change with the times. Some policy makers themselves have never produced international level players. They make decision according to their limited experience. Without exposure to new situations, sometimes decisions made are not in line with new developments (in sport)

     
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    Corrections & additions
     
  8. eaglehelang

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    The Star Online > Sports
    Tuesday January 11, 2011
    Shabery hopes for a win-win situation in Misbun’s episode
    By RAJES PAUL
    KUALA LUMPUR: Youth and Sports Minister Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek understands the feelings of an aggrieved Misbun Sidek. And he is also well aware of the constraints of the Badminton Association of Malaysia (BAM).
    On the agenda of the BAM exco meeting tomorrow is Misbun’s decision to quit as a national coach. He submitted his resignation letter via email on Dec 31 via email.
    And Shabery hopes that BAM will re-look into Misbun’s grouses in an open manner and a win-win situation will come out of it.
    Shabery drew this conclusion a day after meeting Misbun and the BAM president, Datuk Seri Nadzmi Mohd Salleh, together on Sunday night.
    The meeting at a undisclosed place was also attended by the National Sports Council (NSC) director general, Datuk Zolkples Embong.
    Shabery said that the discussion was a positive and constructive one.
    “Misbun spoke openly to Nadzmi on the reasons for his shocking resignation. He was hurt because his perception on the technical aspect and training system were misunderstood. He spoke clearly to Nadzmi about all these,” he said.
    “Misbun also said that he had no ulterior motive. He has no plan to start a new professional outfit or had any plan to tie up with other sponsors.
    “Nadzmi, on the other hand, highlighted the basic principles that the BAM stood by and on how decisions were made. Both have their ideologies and ways of doing things.
    “Now, Nadzmi is clear on what had happened and he will present what Misbun said to the exco. The onus is on the BAM to decide whether to accept or reject Misbun’s resignation. And I hope they will come out with a win-win situation to stop this issue from snowballing into something very destructive.”
    Shabery also said that it was important to understand the feelings of a coach, his instincts and the role of his family members.
    “Misbun has contributed a lot to our sport. As an experienced coach, he may also have an instinct for future champions,” he said.
    “The success of tennis player Serena Williams and golfer Michele Wie is because of strong support from their families. All these have to be taken into account.”
    It is learnt that the last straw that drove Misbun to quit was the BAM’s decision to turn down his request for his son, Ramdan, to come under his charge.
    Under the BAM’s new coaching and training structure, players aged 21 and above and those with great potential are placed in the elite squad.
    The others are divided into the elite back-up and back-up, according to their level of maturity in their game and Ramdan was placed under the charge of Hendrawan.


    http://thestar.com.my/services/printerfriendly.asp?file=/2011/1/11/sports/7770271.asp&sec=sports
     
  9. taneepak

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    In fact these 3 are very well rewarded, in particular LCW, far more than their coaches, other players, and everyone of the BAM officials. Do you know what percent of all the total cash rewards from sources other than from tournament winnings are pocketed by LCW? In fact the other players may be having 'red eye' disease from jealousy and the puny winnings they get when compared with LCW.

    I am sure none of the players would be foolish enough to choose a profit-sharing plan to what they are being rewarded now. This is because no badminton association makes any profits and they are kept afloat from sponsorship money and government grants (which are actually bailouts).
     
  10. taneepak

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    It is quite obvious politics is getting into the act. The government wants to keep LCW happy and that means BAM had better find a solution (must be face-saving one) to Misbun's personal problem.
     
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    I think this is accurate in describing this gentleman who obviously did not help the situation by voicing his opinions.


    http://sports.sinchew-i.com/node/16215?tid=3

    No idea how to translate his name: Zhang Ting Zhu?

    title : If Misbun resigned because of his son, he is not prioritizing national interest

    google translation with some not so minor editiing:

    11 Alor Setar Kedah ‧ AP) Kedah BA's President Zhang Ting Zhu said that if Misbun resigned because he is not being able to train his son, Ramdan Misbun, in the National Elite Team then he did not prioritize national interest.

    He said the badminton head coach and Training ommunity has decided to place Ramdan as the reserve players and to be handed over to Indonesia's coach Hendrawan, rather than to his father, Misbun, the national elites coach, in order to have a more systematic system; and Ramdan Misbun is only ranked 5,6th in the reserve team and so his inclusion in the elite team might trigger discontent among other reserve players.

    Self Claim: I am not the 'empty bottle' claimed by Chong Wei, who knows nothing about badminton

    Zhang ting Zhu is also the vice president of BAM and a member of general coaching and training committee. He has been accused of being the cause behind the recent resignation of the Misbun. But he claimed that the Ramdan's stay in the reserve team, was decided of unanimously by the the committee. He was accused because he "stood out more and has a loud voice" during the meeting.

    He said today along with vice president of the state BA Zhenrun Fu Yu, and BA secretary Wu, emphasized that BA did not force Misbun to turn in the resignation, but Misbun was not satisfied for not being able to train his son and thus resigned.

    He also said: "In the past, the team training system was more loosely, which gives opportunity for Misbun to took his son off Hendrawan, to coach his son in private. But shortly after the new secretary Wang has taken the office, reorganization of the system was done, which leads to the displeasure and the resignation of Misbun."

    Also regarding about Lee Chong Wei's hinting about the top management not knowing much about high-level badminton, Zhang tinh Zh said that if Chong Wei was refering to me, then he is wrong. Zhang ting Zhu was a born badminton players, in 1975, and had won the B level Kedah state the badminton championship, and not the one who could be simply labelled as "empty bottle".

    Ramdan: Prefer his father's training

    The key figure behind the resignation of Misbun, Ramdan, also begin to speak yesterday, he said, when compared with other coaches, he prefers his father's training.

    Ramdan wrote: "Actually, I do not mind other coaches taking over my training, but I grew up mostly followed my father, I feel more comfortable with him."

    "Besides, I accept my father's training in the elite training team in just less than a year, and my world ranking has jumped from 400 to 187 now. So I believe in my father and if he can continue training me in the future I will be among the world-class players. "

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    Not wonder is so tiring working with this bunch of people. Just after the public have said that the Ramdam's issue is not the cause of his resignation. The Zhang Ting Zhu was trying to stir things up again by putting all the blame on Misbun. The act of exagerating the reason behind Misbun's resignation to divert public's attention is akin to an underbelt attack in martial art, freaking dirty. Now I can see why Misbun is not happy with this bunch of people. And the highlight of the year should go to this guy: If you won a championship in B level state competition then you are considered knowledgable in competitive badminton? Wow, I guess I will submit my application as an elite coach to BAM, maybe I have a chance if it was this Zhang Ting Zhu who interviewed me. LOLs.
     
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    BAM do not have to kowtow to LCW + Misbun

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    WOW...... Returned to this thread and found so many new posts have been added.

    Also found a typo in my post;

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    It should read;

    *1. BAM do not have to kowtow to LCW + Misbun. BAM have other things to concentrate on.

    Also, about the 'other things', I meant such things like
    * Training/coaching newer recruits
    * Organising their BAM tournaments
    * Entering players for outside tournaments
    * Running other day-to-day activities
    * etc, etc......
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  13. taneepak

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    Let us not cloud the real issue here, which is the treatment of Misbun's son that turned out to be the last straw that broke the camel's back, with more fog.
    The decision to place his son under Hendrawan was unanimously made by the Training and Coaching Committee. Do you know who are the members of this committee? So why mislead by blaming one or two and not the whole committee? Remember it was a unanimous decision. Now if any unanimous decisions are not respected then Malaysia has a very, very serious problem.
     
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    Today is an auspicious day with 5 'ones'

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    :D:D:D I have posted your comment in thread;

    http://www.badmintoncentral.com/for...nusual-Time-amp-Date-Record-02-03-04-05-06-07
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    Completely missing my point. But it's ok, as I know you have an extraordinary ability to read/quote one's post out of context. You are entitled to have your opinion anyway. *shrug*
     
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    Please, what exactly is your point?
     
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    There is no point for BAM to ask Misbun to stay if he said he is not happy there

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    There is no point for BAM to ask Misbun to stay if he said he is not happy there.

    Also, I don't think Misbun intended to embarrass BAM when he tended his resignation. In fact, I think he should be the one feeling embarrassed when he needed to resign.
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    If LCW quits and be a professional, is BAM going to "BAN" him?

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    I thought the Youth and Sports Minister, Datuk Seri Ahmad Shabery Cheek, has already said that LCW is free to go independent.
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  19. pBmMalaysia

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    that would be "comment for next week" :D
     
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    Misbun is very passionate in what he is doing, in particular about LCW and his son. But sometimes his desire/wish may pose very serious potential problem for the country and national interest without even realizing it. Were he to get what he feels strongly about his son the impact it will have on 'the rule of law' re BAM and the morale on the other coaches (Hendrawan, etc) will have long lasting adverse consequences.
    Now that a minister is involved it is too late. Ministers get in the act for political reasons and BAM is under political pressure. Let us see if BAM has the guts to do the right thing.
    Make no mistake about what I think about Misbun. I think he is a great coach, extremely capable, dedicated, and passionately about his charges. But he is a loner, an eccentric best suited to an advisory role and never in a supervisory or managerial role.
    He is best in the role that the 'Thing' is to Lin Dan today, as mentor and coach. Advisors are specialists with no supervisory role and can even be rewarded more than a director in a corporation.
     

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