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Discussion in 'Rules / Tournament Regulation / Officiating' started by jdcastro, Oct 8, 2007.
I think that's a much better idea than a line on the net.... The players would hate it though...
I agree with this, it would allow the judges to see where the 'players lowest rib' is. I think that the problem with this idea is that players may pull their shirts up before they serve, therefore increasing their serving hight
We could just make them play topless...
Bikinis for the ladies and shorts for the guys. I support this. A beach volleyball-type setup. Except it's very cold on some courts.
How so? Kids/juniors are taught to serve forehand. How would a fixed height change their approach? Even if they were to prematurely adopt a backhand serve, if the racket needs to be pointed downwards, how would a fixed height (that is higher than their "waist") cause a problem? I help my kids train in their badminton sessions, and can't see any detrimental results to the proposed rule change.
The shirt is still problematic, as they shift with movement - so when the server raises his arms in preparation, the shirt can shift up. And when they change shirts during a match, they'll have to repeat the markings on all four players? How is this better than a fixed height limit?
??? Not sure the relevance of what you are stating here. Sure a max service height would feel different for players of different height. But so is the dimensions of the court, the speed of the shuttle...etc. What might be easy for your reach, might be extremely far for your partner. You are not suggesting different court dimensions for different heights, are you? Are you proposing different net heights for different players, like in Volleyball?
My proposal is meant to address the problem with the current regulations: The service height limit is highly variable, that is ambiguous to determine (esp when they start pulling up their shorts in response to faults e.g. Cai Yun), and nearly impossible to regulate uniformly. Plus, if you are playing without umpires, then what do you do when you feel that the opponent is serving too high?
The fixed height would resolve most, if not all of these issues, without costing money and would only mean minor adjustment on the part of players.
There's always going to be ambiguous rules in any sport but if you put too many rules in then the sport becomes as boring as lawn bowling...
If badminton turns out like lawn bowls then it will get far more air time on Eurosport.
I see a lot of people who serve with a "topspin" action. When they drive serve they win 90% of points, but they only drive serve maybe 3 times per game. They know its illegal or else they would drive serve every single point!
You have a point there.
I was merely pointing out that kids should pay attention to their waist heights rather than to the suggested white tape on the net for the Service.
I also meant that very tall adults should pay attention to their waist heights and not to the white tape on the net.
But I can see what you mean - that at Service, the point of impact must be below 'X' height.
BWF will need to determine what this 'X' height should be; And after determining this 'X' height, and still insisting that the racket needs to be pointed downwards, then shorter players will suffer a disadvantage during Service (compared to taller players).
I am having trouble understanding you. Earlier you said:
So you are against illegal serves, and agree with service judges who call the faults, right?
So I proposed a rule change that would simplify the current ones and would lead to clarity in play and officiating.
Now you state:
So then, you like these ambiguous rules?
1- There currently ARE rules about the service, which you agree are ambiguous;
2- A fixed height limit would simplify the whole situation;
3- This would REDUCE the length and ambiguity of the current rules.
I would be curious to hear from others, especially with coaching/officiating experience.
i agree with the way you have related the suggested strip on the net with the other dimensions on the court. Yeah, everyone wil serve below that particular line. But, if we go on in this direction, then the challenge of the HUMAN dimensions will be eliminated from the game. May be sometime in the future, someone will suggest something limiting the height from which a player can execute a smash(jump/no jump). Or even worse, you must be less than XYZ cms to play badminton. The human element should be considered, to keep the game more interesting. This is just my humble opinion.
I think you may've taken the idea a bit far. It will never reach that stage as the serve is the only shot in the games that in the rules is limited by your physiological characteristics.
But with the number of serves that I saw at the All England and on youtube that should be called a fault I agree there should be some sort of serving height set by the players height. It would prevent people serving totally horizontal, but enforcing that rule is the problem.
What you are suggesting would clarify and make it less ambiguous but would not remove the human element at all. You will STILL NEED a service judge who can make mistakes. Players would still push the boundaries of what they can get away with and some judges will let them and others won't. You WON'T EVER get a uniform level of officiating BECAUSE it still relies on human judgement.
Why would you put words in my mouth, just stick to what I've actually written and not what you hear in your head... I don't LIKE ambiguous rules, I say that there will ALWAYS BE ambiguous rules. I am completely against the idea of a fixed height, you're taking a very important part of the game and turning it too uniform. That's like saying tennis players have to serve at a certain height or that only equal height centers can do the toss up in basketball.... TOO MANY RULES STIFLE THE GAME! Trying to put everyone on an even playing field takes out the diversity of each persons physical attributes.
Keep in mind that these rules have developed and changed based on the input of FAR MORE experienced people than us. It was also a consensus vote not just one persons decision. You believe you're right, I believe you're wrong... great, we live in a free society where we can choose to believe what we want to.
This has been a great debate so far but let's not take it too far, nothing we talk about here is ever going to affect the current rules as I doubt any IBF board members come on here very often...