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League tables for the HK Open 2012

Discussion in 'China Open / Hong Kong Open 2012' started by AlanY, Nov 20, 2012.

  1. AlanY

    AlanY Regular Member

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    Here is the table for no of players/pairs by countries for round 32;

    Code:
    [TABLE="class: grid"]
    [TR]
    [TD][TABLE]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]R32[/TD]
    [TD]MS[/TD]
    [TD]WS[/TD]
    [TD]MD[/TD]
    [TD]WD[/TD]
    [TD]XD[/TD]
    [TD]Total[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Indonesia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]23[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]China[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]21[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Malaysia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]India[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Hong Kong[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Japan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Thailand[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Chinese Taipei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Korea[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Denmark[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]France[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Singapore[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]U.S.A.[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]England[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Netherlands[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Sweden[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Vietnam[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    
    
     
  2. etudiant

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    Hmm.....Ina at top of the list

    That wont last long :(
     
  3. AlanY

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    Table for the second round;
    Code:
    [TABLE="class: grid"]
    [TR]
    [TD][TABLE="width: 357"]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]R16[/TD]
    [TD]MS[/TD]
    [TD]WS[/TD]
    [TD]MD[/TD]
    [TD]WD[/TD]
    [TD]XD[/TD]
    [TD]Total[/TD]
    [TD]% from last round[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]China[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]67%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Indonesia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]61%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Malaysia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]71%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Japan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]73%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Chinese Taipei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]60%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]India[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]46%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Denmark[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]63%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Korea[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Thailand[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]27%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]67%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Russia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]29%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Sweden[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]100%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Vietnam[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]100%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]England[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Singapore[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]25%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Hong Kong[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Total[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]80[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    
    HK, the poor host lost all but 1 of her 12 in the first round
     
    #3 AlanY, Nov 21, 2012
    Last edited: Nov 21, 2012
  4. rahuldarga

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    This table translates in to the quality of players each country has. Thanks Alan for providing valuable stats.
     
  5. AlanY

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    don't forget luck of the draws is also an important factor.
    for the big teams that might eventually even out but for the small teams with only a few players the figures can be easily distorted.
     
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    If only Linda won, it will be 15 INA vs 13 CHN.

    :mad:
     
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    to think that HK lost all but one of the players... without looking at the table i already know it is from MS and the player name.... but what shock me was the player he manage to overcome.

    didnt expect the first round to be that heavy casulties for the chinese... their chance of winning MS probably drop from around 50% to 25%.
     
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    Yesterday was disaster for HK. Today is disaster for India. Probably no survivor
     
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    yupp no one...
     
  10. AlanY

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    Updated table for the QF;
    Code:
    [TABLE="class: grid"]
    [TR]
    [TD][TABLE="width: 357"]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]QF[/TD]
    [TD]MS[/TD]
    [TD]WS[/TD]
    [TD]MD[/TD]
    [TD]WD[/TD]
    [TD]XD[/TD]
    [TD]Total[/TD]
    [TD]% from last round[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]China[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]79%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Malaysia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]60%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Japan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]63%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Indonesia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]36%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Korea[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]60%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]100%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Thailand[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]67%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Denmark[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]40%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Chinese Taipei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]33%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Singapore[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]100%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Vietnam[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]100%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Total[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]40[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    
    Among the heavy causalities are INA lost 9 out of 14, Taipei 4 out of 6 and India a Waterloo of all 6.
     
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    thanks for the data again, justin.
     
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    oh, my bad. sorry for that, alanY. :eek:

    and thanks for correction, nokh88. :)
     
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    QF may see another heavy casualty for INA team. Best hope to be champion is Hendra/Ahsan but they faced tough draw. Looking forward for the encounter against reigning Olympic and World Champion.

    Firda might win against Wang Lin but given Wang Lin performance yesterday, it is hard.
     
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    updated for the QF;

    [TABLE="class: grid"]
    [TR]
    [TD][TABLE]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]SF
    [/TD]
    [TD]MS[/TD]
    [TD]WS[/TD]
    [TD]MD[/TD]
    [TD]WD[/TD]
    [TD]XD[/TD]
    [TD]Total[/TD]
    [TD]% from last round[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]China[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]100%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Malaysia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Japan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]40%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Chinese Taipei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Denmark[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Germany[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]50%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Indonesia[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]0[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]20%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]Total[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]20[/TD]
    [TD][/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]


    The great achiever for the QF is undeniably China with all her 11 players/pairs from the QF intact.
    China actually had more players in the SF than the rest of the world combined, haven't we seen that before?
     
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    thanks again, AlanY. :)

    this one is pretty amazing. :cool: but let's see how many would be there for the finals and titles.

    is this the 1st time it does happen?
     
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    that i'm not sure, again it's also partly down on the draws as they didn't face teammates too early on.
     
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    my guess is china probably will left with 3 to 8 for the finals
     
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    That is not a guess. It is a certainty.

    :)

    I am guessing 7 or 8 in the final.
     
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    as long as the chinese keep their first and second seeds, the is rest is not important
     

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