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Lets vote for New or Old point system.

Discussion in 'Rules / Tournament Regulation / Officiating' started by terry, Sep 20, 2005.

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Which scoring system do you prefer?

  1. Old 15x3 service based scoring

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  2. New 21x3 rally based scoring

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  1. terry

    terry Regular Member

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    NEW
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    1) Terry
     
  2. danielg

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    I have a question, will this have an effect on the IBF decision or it is just for your own personal information?

    But my vote goes for the old system
     
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    KeepinItClean Regular Member

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    i go with the old
     
  4. samtruong200

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    i go wit old system
     
  5. jamesshieh88

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    old system please. i'm pretty sure it's safe to say that the majority of BC will vote for the old system.
     
  6. kontrabando

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    I'll go with old system
     
  7. terry

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    own personal information.No worry...:)
     
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    I was knid of hoping that you are somehow connected to the IBF and can use this survey to somehow either change or firm up their decision.
     
  9. terry

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    Hahaha... i wish if this forum is read by them ...;)

    I just tried with the new system just now. Less than 10 minutes finish one set!. And counting a bit confused. :confused: just feel like weird.
     
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    IMHO, please don't cast your vote by mistake!!! Then we will see the why there was no reason to put up thios poll.
     
  11. DinkAlot

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    I like the old 15x3 system better but I think for marketing and advertising purposes, the new system will work better.

    Time will tell.
     
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    I voted for the new system, my two main reasons being:

    (i) I think the scores from matches will more accurately reflect the difference between players.

    (ii) It suits my style of play better!
     
  13. DinkAlot

    DinkAlot dcbadminton
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    I'm curious, what's your style of play?
     
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    IMHO. 15 point system was perfectly fine.
    I tried out the 21 point system a few times and it was irritating how the game is over in about 30 mins.
    This is because it takes me a few good rallys before I can get my engine going.
    Now due of the rally point, by the time I'm pumped for the game the first set is nearly over.:mad:
     
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    Actually.. till now.. i still really get it how the proposed new system works.. but as humans.. we tend to stick in our own comfort zone.. including me.. so i vote for the old system as I'm pretty used to it..
     
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    Actually and interestingly the IBF is experimenting with another scoring system- 11x5[5 games and each game being 11 pts ,rally point scoring].i found this info on the official Badminton Association of India website-
    www.badmintonindia.org

    So i think this poll can have 3 options instead of 2[the 3rd being 11x5].Details of the scoring of both types 21x3 and 11x5 [with examples from the WC]can be found on this exact homepage-
    http://www.badmintonindia.org/bulletin/09/new%20scoring%20system%20menu.htm

    I would like to see a new scoring in Badminton,preferably 11x5.here are my reasons-

    1.let's stop being stereotypical.the present scoring is not exactly a smash hit so there should be room for something different.
    2.in the present scoring,the score can tend to stagnate while rally point scoring ensures that the score is always ticking so audience do not get bored by the monotonous scoring[which can happen,let's admit it] and are always interested and are on their feet.
    3.IBF infact is giving a good reason why changing the scoring might actually favour the players.they claim that if the matches are made shorter then in the long run a player's carrer may be prolonged.while this sounds funny if thought about actually makes complete sense.So if changing the Scoring can make Taufik or Your favourite player play for 2 yrs longer,then why not.however none of us would like to see the duration of the matches drastically reduced.that is more important.reduced by 5-7 minutes or so would be okay.
    4.if we employ 11x5 kind of scoring there will be more game pts,which might arouse even more interest.
    5.Probably most importantly if IBF do employ 11x5 or 21x3 then this can only be better for TV commercials and packaging.A 11x5 scoring system offers the luxury of 5 breaks instead of just 3.And if the 21x3 scoring system is imposed then if i am right a player[if he wishes]can take a one minute break at the 11th point which is also good.

    Lastly i narrate from my own experience that rally point scoring is infact much more enjoyable to play and also definitely more enjoyable to watch as compared to the current scoring.so if u have not, maybe you should try playing/watching once with this sort of a scoring.


    i know a lot or most of us like the present scoring.but having said that why not try the rally point scoring and THEN give your feedback.atleast I liked it after I tried it.
     
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    hmmmmmm :rolleyes:

    I still prefer old system... instead of thinking to 'modify' the current one, why don't IBF consider to give a break every half-set...
    example: when one of the players reach 8 points, they can have a break for 90 seconds.
    this will give a 'room' for TV commercial...
    (and also time for spectators to have toilet break :D:D)





     
  19. CWB001

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    Most players I know hate rally point scoring (or American scoring as it is known hereabouts).

    I think it is valid to examine what will happen to the game with rally point scoring.

    Most players are more conservative when they do not have the serve under the current system. This is because they stand to lose a point if they lose the rally.

    The player serving is normally more aggressive and takes more risks because the penalty for a mistake is merely loss of serve.

    This is coached into players from county level upwards.

    Under rally point scoring both players stand to be punished by the loss of a point and, logically, both will play more conservatively with fewer risks taken.

    The rallies are likely to be longer, with more safe shots, and I think that this will be less attractive to watch. Ironically, this may therefore have the opposite of IBF's desired effect by making the sport less marketable to TV viewers.

    In addition, of course, the characteristic tension of a close-fought badminton encounter, with the serve changing hands several times and the score not moving, will be lost. This is not stagnation. Just because the score does not change does not mean that the game is not worth watching. Many football matches finish as 0-0 draws and the games are no less watchable for that.

    I think it is also relevant to look at why IBF want to make changes, because I believe that their logic is flawed.

    They believe that shorter matches will lead to better acceptance on TV.

    Yet most of the sports that they are competing with, such as football and tennis, have much longer games overall. In the case of football there is no opportunity for an advertisement break for 45 minutes at a time. Yet this has to be the most televised sport globally.

    Much better, surely, to give the referee power to call a time-out for televised matches only and leave the rules alone for untelevised ones. The time-out would, in reality, be called in agreement with the TV company.

    The argument that shorter games will mean fewer injuries and that playing careers will be lengthened is a bit laughable really. Supreme fitness is currently a must for top-level badminton and shortened games could, perhaps, lead to players allowing their fitness to lapse somewhat - leading to more injuries.

    In conclusion, then, I am fundamentally against rally point scoring.

    I would not necessarily be against 5x11 as long as only the server could score. This would preserve the fundamentals of badminton while providing more advertisement opportunities.

    However, the idea that there would be more game points is not necessarily better as the 5x9 debacle proved.

    In my view, an even better way to ensure TV audiences is to improve the techniques of coverage. Static cameras from behind the baseline make the game look slow and easy to play. Corner cameras give a more exciting feel.

    Regards,

    Cliff
     
  20. DaN_fAn

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    But people know how good football can get so they will enjoy even a 0-0 match.But that is not the case in badminton.Basically if people[general people who do not know much about badminton] get to watch a 'boring' badminton match on TV,they will not say that the match was boring.they will just declare badminton as 'boring'.They have no idea how good badminton can get and how enjoyable it is to watch an interesting match.Something needs to be done.

    An ever changing scoreline can attract the audience more.atleast that's my thought.


    No offence but have you tried playing and/or watching matches with rally point like i suggested?
     
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