I've checked all the messages regarding Mandarin and Lee's clubs and still couldn't get the answer I need, so I want to open a new thread here and appreciate any answers. I've been in Toronto for a little over 1 year, been to a couple of clubs, and realized most people are playing recreational. To play competitively, Mandarin and Lee's seem to be the only choices. I am a Chinese at around 30, speak Mandarin and English. I went to a couple of popular Chinese forums, tried to find someone who are playing in these two clubs and couldn't get a response. I don't like playing in an environment where I look odd, particularly now I couldn't find anyone I know before I joined. I am a pretty good player for double, I don't want any training (unless its free), and I plan to play 2-3 times a week at nights or weekends. So my questions: 1. Are the clubs most of kids or there are people from all ages, are they cliquey? 2. Are the courts occupied for training at nights or there would be enough courts left for drop-in style play? 3. I am inclined to join Mandarin but Lee's has a membership Adult Mon/Wed/Sat 6pm-11pm $100 init and $29 monthly which looks fitting me well, what do you think?