Record of walkover and retired between same country player since 2006

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  1. laonong

    laonong Regular Member

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    what's the wo rate per country?
     
  2. Yoppy

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    I think Limsy has provided that in the 1st page. It's much lower than CHN, almost not worth mentioning
     
  3. limsy

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    why dont u contribute about the wo rate per country?;)
    not doing charity
     
  4. laonong

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    I do not know where to find the data. since you know how to find LD's data, I thought it might be easy for you to find the complete data.

    My impression based on this forum that CHN should have higher rate of WO but since you said you want to complain to BWF, you better to have more data to support your claim. Otherwise your complain would just be ignored.

    If you have complete data, I can analyze it for you.
     
  5. laonong

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    to Yoppy:
    Not complete at all if you understand the question
     
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  6. eaglehelang

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    It gets 'interesting' during OG qualification period. The 2007 to April 2008 time was pretty amusing sometimes ;);)


    Limsy, you check match by match on TS is it?
     
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  8. limsy

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    do u found any sentence about me talking that i want to complain to bwf?
    when?
    where?
    which thread?
    which post?
    try to find and show me,then i do the data for u
    lol

    anyway,i dont think the 22.22% and 25.9% walkover or retired rate is reasonable at all
    do u think it is acceptable?


    yes,so when u want to join my game of statistic?haha
    or u too busy lately?
     
  9. eaglehelang

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    In 2011, Peter Gade did not withdraw from any invididual tournaments. Withdraw as in his name was in then he withdraw entry before draw was made or shown as WDN in TS.
    In 2010, PG did not participate in Denmark SS, Macau GP Gold, China SS, Hong Kong SS. In Macau, China & HK, PG was 2nd seed but his name was not in the draw. PG gave walkover to Wong WK during 2010 Denmark SS. I vaguely recall he was suffering some sort of injury during this time, could be withdraw before tournament started/before draw was made.
    So, it's either 4 out of 13 individual tourneys or 1 out of 13. The one walkover was with different country player
     
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    Today more free, so do some of the MS. The withdraw, you have to count only when they are supposed to have opponent right? If not, dont know if against which opponent, like PG case.
     
  11. limsy

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    actually it is very convinient

    let say from here,the final of french
    http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/s...C6BA8C-A6C4-4C22-852C-AA3D99223E35&d=20111030

    then u click on lcw name
    http://www.tournamentsoftware.com/s...C6BA8C-A6C4-4C22-852C-AA3D99223E35&player=182
    then u can see the opponent for whole french open

    if u scroll down,u will see a long list of tournament that lcw participated
    u can click to either tournament to check
     
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    Taufik Hidayat, Indonesia
    In 2011, he retired 1 out of 16 individual tournaments, to Chen Long in SS Finals(Jan 2011). Taufik did not participate in China Masters, Msia GP Gold, entry submitted, name not in draw.
    In 2010, Taufik also did not participate in China Masters, US GP Gold, Msia GP Gold. No retired or walkovers in individual tourneys.

    Lee Chong Wei, Malaysia
    In 2011, out of 13 individual tourneys, he did not participate in German GP Gold & China Masters. Entry submitted, name not in draw.
    In 2010, out of 12 individual tourneys(Commonwealth not counted), LCW did not participate in China Masters
    No retirements or wallkovers for both years.

    Whoever wants to continue for top 10 players, most welcome :D
     
  13. eaglehelang

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    Yeah, I know, that's the usual way I do also. It's still rather tedious

    Continued with
    Lee Hyun Il, Korea
    In 2011, he did not retire or walkover any individual tournaments
    In 2010, he retired once & walkover once out of 6 individual tournaments. Retired in Korea GP vs China's Wang ZM, walkover to LCW in Macau
     
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    That's what I've thought too. :D:D:D
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    The problem with this kind of statistics is that there really isn't a way to compare with other nations, as it is quie unique with CHN-CHN vs. china commonly in Quarters/Semis/Finals. How often you se GER-GER, INA-IN semis etc. these days.

    We can only hyphotesize how things would look if KOR or INA or MAS were so dominant and had so many matchups in the later tournamentstages...

    What is the statistics for MAS vs. MAS semis?? When did that even happen last time on the international scene?
     
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    Couldn't agreed more!!
     
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    The number of WOs are statisically a pretty useless measure if not taking into consideration and calculate on how many matchups overall there is between CHN-CHN players. The number of WOs between CHN-CHN players are obviously bound to be bigger as they meet in so many more matches.. If you look at the large number of CHN vs. CHN matches in tournaments, there is a very low % of WOs. And it is statisitically hard to draw any certain conclusion based on the very limited sampling of other SAME-SAME country matches which are a very small statistical sampling.
     
  18. flite

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    Not necessary true. Why do we need to compare the WO rates of CHN with other countries in the first place? To make CHN look less ugly? If the rest of other nations WO% are as high and when that day comes, the sports of badminton are doomed!

    On the other hand, Limsy's findings were based on what has already happened. The statistics and data are all there. Its not the case of some bad lawyer forcing his point through away from the common law. Its all pure facts.

    GIVEN that scenario you described, even when the day comes it still wouldn't make CHN looks any better... for that matter.
     
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  19. limsy

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    this is for china ms,2011
    [TABLE="class: cms_table, width: 510"]
    [TR]
    [TD]total[/TD]
    [TD]against other country player[/TD]
    [TD]against own country player[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]play until finish[/TD]
    [TD]207[/TD]
    [TD]18[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]retired or walkover[/TD]
    [TD]1[/TD]
    [TD]4[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR]
    [TD]%
    [/TD]
    [TD]0.48%[/TD]
    [TD]22.22%



    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    and this is for china ws,2011[TABLE="class: cms_table_outer_border"]
    [TR]
    [TR="class: cms_table_outer_border"]
    [TD]total
    [/TD]
    [TD]against other country player[/TD]
    [TD]against own country player[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: cms_table_outer_border"]
    [TD]play until finish[/TD]
    [TD]181[/TD]
    [TD]27[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: cms_table_outer_border"]
    [TD]retired or walkover[/TD]
    [TD]3[/TD]
    [TD]7[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: cms_table_outer_border"]
    [TD]%[/TD]
    [TD]1.66%
    [/TD]
    [TD]25.9%[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]


    obviously u didnt read the 93th and 94th in this thread
    if what u say in bold is true
    then the walkover and retired against non china player should larger since the ratio of china vs non china opponent is 18:207 for ms and 27:181
     
  20. twobeer

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    The tricky thing with statistics is really interpretation. And very often statistics is used to prove something someone "wants to prove"... If you start comparing CHN vs. "others" it will be different results than to comparing for example WO-ratio for indivdual player etc..

    If you look for example of the stats for Chen Jin, you will see he hasnt WOed against other Chineee players.. But retired on many occatins against other nations players..

    Chen Long has to my knowedge not retired or WOed.

    If you look at LDs WO-record things looks Very different!!

    So depending on how you interpret the non-WOs of CL, CJ and the many WOs of LD you may come to different conclusions/interpretations..

    And of course, even if you break it down to WOs by LD.. He has only WOed/retired 4 times against Chineese players and just 2 times against non-chineese player. So sample size and possibilities of statistical errors are of course HUGE as well.. )If it is some sort of statistical poof we are looking for anyway).
     

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