Some comments on the Ultimate. Maybe it's just me and my poor wrapping skills. I found it very hard to wrap the Ultimate without wrinkles. My overlap is about 1/8". The bulgy center is not stretchy enough to make wrapping an easy task. I wrap my grips tight, but not kung fu grip tight. Doesn't matter to me really, I always throw an overgrip on top and all is covered up. I've used Black Knight ridged and Karakal Super PU in the past and never had a hard time with those. I must say though that the finishing tape is far beyond better than anything BK, Yonex or Karakal ever included.