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Sack Choong Tan Fook-Lee Wan Wah

Discussion in 'Asian Games 2006 - Badminton' started by malaysia boleh?, Oct 23, 2006.

  1. malaysia boleh?

    malaysia boleh? Regular Member

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    I think now is the best time for BAM to sack CTF-LWW. They are definately the most 'chocked' pair in the badminton world today. They always 'talk big' but never deliver. I remembered reading in the newspaper,Mr Rexy and CTF-LWW talking about the 'expected revenge' when the WC's draw came out. They were so confident that they could beat Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the quarter final (CTF-LWW lost to Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan in the Hong Kong Open final a couple of weeks ago)and go all the way to the final. In the end, CTF-LWW were beaten again by the Indonesian. CTF-LWW were so arrogant. They showed no respert for the Indonesian. Look at what happened at the recently concluded China Open, Markis Kido-Hendra Setiawan beat the reigning world champion Fu HaiFeng-Cai Yun in the final while the arrogant CTF-LWW lost to an average Japanese pair in the last 16. I have been following CTF-LWW progress since 10 years ago. Sadly I can't remember what is the biggest title they have ever won.. or should I say they have never won anything Big.
    It really puzzle me :confused: when old pairs like Tony Gunawan-Chandra Wijaya & Jens Eriksen-Martin Lundgaard Hansen still can perform at the highest level while CTW-LWW keep on choking. It also puzzle :confused: me why Mr Rexy Mainaky and Mr Yap Kim Hock keep on having faith in them since Malaysia has many other promising pairs like KKK-CCM, Mohd Zakry Abdul Latif-Gan Teik Chai, Hoon Tien Hou-Tan Boon Heong and Mohd Fairuzizuan Mohd Tazari-Lin Woon Fui.
    BAM, please wake up and sack CTF-LWW. Give the oppotunities to the young guns. They are the future of Malaysian badminton. No point holding on and wasting the people's money on the "never deliver" CTF-LWW. :crying:
     
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    Simp84 Regular Member

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    You are not helping...
     
  3. hara^kazuko

    hara^kazuko Regular Member

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    U said 'choking', n you must know what 'choking' means, it means having trouble but not yet suffociated to death... sacking them is too serious, finding the solution is the way to help the veteran pair. LWW is a hardworking player and he trains really hard.. All they need is some guidance, do u think sacking them will help Malaysia deliver a gold?
     
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    I think all players experience this at some point of thier career for example KBH and hafiz. They should be given more chances and put less pressure on themselves to perform. I think sometimes malaysian players can perform better when the odds are againts them, like KKK/CCM in thomas semis and Hafiz in All england 2003. I hope they could break off thier poor form and try to win something before ending thier career.
     
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    hara^kazuko Regular Member

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    that's true, but they need some guidance, things dont just happen itself
     
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    Easier said then done..

    Okay i have played many tournements though I am just 21.I never made it to state or anything.It is not that easy.I think they should be given credit for what they have achieved.They are good players and they train hard.I see them train.They really put in effort.There are a lot of pressure on them.It is not easy being up there as it were. I am sure they will do better.Even Lin Dan has fell here and there.Perhaps jas1121 is rite. Things just dont happend.I am at times dissapointed but trying being in their shoes for one day i think you will understand better.
     
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    sacking them is not da best way.. give them somemore time.. mayb they'll change.. there's always a loose n win in a game.. nobody is perfect.. even lindan also will feel tired..
     
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    Get rid of Useless Misbun!!!

    for MAS to be success!!! FIRST, Get rid Misbun....he may be qualify to coach junior players...!!! but definitely not the top ones...remember all players under his charge do very badly in almost all tournaments and never improve after his charge? :confused:
     
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    I don't think they are arrogant. Who said that they showed no respect to the Indonesians?

    One thing that i know is that both of them have been friendly and nice to their fans too, so i don't think they are arrogant.

    They might have never won any big titles, always ended up as runner-ups or semi-finalist in some tournaments, but don't forget that they helped Malaysia a lot in team events. They defeated Markis/Hendra in SEA games last year which helped Malaysia to win a gold medal for the team event. They had a clean head-to-head record against Markis/Hendra before losing to them in the Hong Kong Open final which i think contributed to their loss of confidence and nervosity when they played against the Indonesian pair again in the world championship. And now after their early exit in the world championship, they seem to lose their direction.

    They might have the best skills among all the malaysian pairs now but i think it's time for BAM to groom the young pairs already. Let them participate more in big tounaments especially in the team events since i think that we won't be able to see Lee/Choong again in the next Thomas cup.
     
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    malaysia boleh?, until you meet LWW/CTF personally, I think it's very unfair for you to say that they are arrogant and show no respect to anyone. After reading your post, should I conclude that you are arrogant and show no respect to other people as well?
     
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    He might not be arrogant...but definately have to be more sensitive to other people. Comments are a little too harsh.
     
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    malaysia boleh? Regular Member

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    Please Forgive Me

    Thanks Ants. I don't mean to hurt anybody here. I am new in this forum. Guessed I was too frustrated by the performance of the Malysian players recently. :p
     
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    Well ur not the one who is frustrated. hehehe I'm frustrated as well...
     
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    join the queue ... :D
     
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    Sack Rexy?

    Well said. CTF/LWW have been behaving funny. In the past, they used to encourage each other when play dipped. In the WC and CO, it seemed they leave each other alone when that happened.The Malaysian MDs have not been doing well recently. It's indicative of coach pressure.(the only one that have surprised is KKK/TBH and they probably played well because not much was expected of them)Look at how Rexy treat them. He wanted them to write down what they have to deliver! If you treat them like kids, they will behave like kids! Malaysians respond better to cheerleading than crushing ultimatums.Remember how the MDs rose to the occasion in the Thomas Cup? It's great that Rexy have shown how fantastic the MDs can be in just such a short space of time but some coaches are good for one season and he may just be one of them.Right now Malaysian MDs are in shambles and the coach seems to be the problem. Expect nothing from them and you won't be disappointed.
     
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    Rexy has done a good job so far!!!

    I really appreciate what Rexy has done to BAM men's doubles team. I think his actions to CTF/LWW are indeed appropriate. As you may know, country has spend a lot of money in badminton because all Malaysian has high expectation in this game. If players under BAM does not take every training and competition seroiusly, they are wasting BAM resources. Wasting taxpayers $$$
    Look at this, Chinese players success because they needs to go through one year intense physical training b4 even start learning any racket skills. If you are not fit enough, they are not even thinking of spending any more time on you. You’re out!!
    Malaysian players are very lucky. BAM make give them a lot of incentive and they better take it seriously, I remember PM Abdullah Badawi has said something like “if you train 6 hours is not good enough to produce result, make it 12 hours or even more…” that is true for country to stay competitive!
    Don’t get me wrong here, I know some of them did work hard but some of them obviously lack of fitness.
    Rexy and Li Mao both are well acknowledged supercoach. Misbun is the culprit. Sack Misbun!!!
     
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    Rexy's not right for experienced MDs

    Misbun has nothing to do with MDs.
    When Rexy first came on board, the youngster MDs raw talent were polished and they thrilled Malaysians with their AE semi final finish.So Rexy has done wonders with the young ones, no doubt about that.
    However, his effect on the experienced MDs of CTF/LWW and CCM/KKK are starting to go downhill. These pairs are unique : they seem to specialise in beating higher ranked MDs and losing to lower ranked or unknown MDs. This suggests there's something amiss about their training. With older MDs , skill is not so much the problem;it's more the fitness.Fitness has instant effect on mental alertness, reflexes and court speed. (Not mental weakness-they are past that stage) If stamina cannot be sustained through lack of fitness,it shows up through error pile-up towards the end.In the NSS, your opponents don't have to do very much to win;they just let you make the errors for you to lose.
    The youngster MDs , no matter how top form, may post a challenge but I'll be impressed if they can land a medal. In big stage competition, there's no substitute for match experience.
    CTF/LWW and CCM/KKK should work on their fitness like they did for Thomas Cup.They need someone else to inspire them, not Rexy breathing down their neck. Maybe YKH to double up?
     
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    Misbun should remain as a COACH!

    BaddestHawaii..it's not appropriate to sack him as he contributes alot in Malaysian Badminton. He was also rank world no.2 once during his playing time. If he's not a coach..we wouldnt have All England champ..ex-world no.1(roslin)n etc.
    I am a district/zone player in KL (during secondary school)..one step before state level..& i had d opportunity to trained with him. (during my university level..which was conducted for universities badminton player). It was 5 days training session with Nusa Mahsuri (Misbun Sidek,Rahman Sidek,Hafiz Hashim,Roslin Hashim). Wut can i say is dat..i gained alot in 5days..n after dat i was able to beat several state players in Malaysia.
    ERm,maybe u dont even like badminton? What kinda sport dat u like? erm.. vbmenu_register("postmenu_456374", true);
     
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    You need not apologize!

    You need not apologize for what you wrote. I think you were extremely RIGHT!!!

    The typical style of Malaysians doing thing is too diplomatic. Look at Dato Z's case. All UMNO big guns statement is too diplomatic. Same thing in badminton we have been too tolerant. I remeber once Park Joo Bong wanted to split this pair already (LWW/CTF) but through some diplomatic/political manuevre they got to stay! And look at how they choked in All Endland to Danish pair (If I am not mistaken, TWICE). Look at how they choke in Thomas Cup in Guangzhou when Lee Tsuen Seng out of no way beat Taufik Hidayat, opened up the way for a victory agt Indinesia but this LWW/CTF LOST!!!!!!!

    I can't believe someone is speaking on behalf of LWW/CTF. THEY HAD ENOUGH. PERIOD! Finally we see BAM is doing something positive, by sacking this LWW/CTF. Please do not reverse this decision, I pray to God!
     
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    Malaysian badminton needs some strongman politics. Do not worry that these badminton players will starve do death because they leave national team. In fact they do better. look at Lee Tseun Seng. After he left the national team he went on to become NZ Open champion if I am not mistaken. Look at Roslin, after going to Denmank he found his second peak in his badminton career. Old men go and young men in this is routine in badminton. Yes you might have contributed to the nation but when it is time to leave, please go and we thank you very much!
     

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