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Short serve slice?

Discussion in 'Techniques / Training' started by canti, Apr 2, 2012.

  1. canti

    canti Regular Member

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    I saw that video too. I tried and it works well. Though I can't get the flick serve consistent with it. I'm generally back to pushing the shuttle over, but on the odd occasion I'll use this for a few consecutive serves to add variety and confusion.
     
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    I always somehow 'sliced' all my short serves to get good height and enough momentum to get over the frt service lines. Especially useful when we have to serve 'quick' so as we can sometimes do flick high serves. If we serve 'quick' all the time it is difficult to detect whether it is a short serve or high flick serve.
     
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    I give mine a small slice as well, however I top spin slice it and I don't have a back swing.
     
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    HA, That's illegal on serve.
     
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    Why is that illegal? It's not a full slice and I do strike the cork first and everything is at the right height.
     
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    kinda like Boe?
     
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    If you mean Mathias Boe then yes. It is a very slight top spin.
     
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    Unless you are very very tall i don't see how you can put any considerable top spin on without contravening this rule and for it to go over the net.

    9.1.6 the shaft of the server’s racket at the instant of hitting the shuttle shall be pointing in a downward direction;


    Mathias boe does not top spin his serve, have a look at contact it is just a flat hit upward.
     
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    I'm not tall and nor did I ever say I put a "considerable top spin".
    I said "small slice" on the first reply and "not a full slice" on the second reply. I'm not tumbling the shuttle over, I'm only doing it so the shuttle will always spin the same way.

    Shuttle is below waist, racquet wrist is above waist and above shuttle by about 6" during setup. During contact shuttle has not moved, racquet wrist height has not moved but racquet is moving in a forward and slight upward motion with the racquet face slightly facing downward. This is what imparts a slight top spin and the shuttle cork will want to rotate upward instead of downward.
     
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    Not quite getting you but I would be really interested in seeing the serve, any chance of posting it. Serve is such an important part of doubles these days I am always keen to see new stuff.
     
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    ^^ you the same small slicing top spin action from Mathias Boe and also Fu Haifeng.
     
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    This is evil.

    ;)

    I just returned from a skirmish session and the better
    services made all the difference; now, this
    sliced service, however, not only works, it works pretty
    well. It's evil, I'm going to love it.
     
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    Which one? Vid or "Boe" style (which I can't visualize at all from memory and too lazy to go look up a vid :D) ...
     
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    Not sure, but Joachim Fischer-Nielsen has a very special service, too?! For me it seems like he serves with a slice, too.
     
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    okay I understand the interaction of angle, ball and racket head direction in slicing in table tennis, also in badminton overhead shots ... but not in short service.

    I'm trying to practice it according to this devil's video linked here and it works, but not too few times the shuttle goes left, up or right instead of ahead ... so what is the interaction of the surface angle to the ball and the racket head movement direction in a short serve?

    please explain
     

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    Erm, what I'm about to say is PURELY opinion based on what I can see and hear in the vid.
    Erm, what I see is that she is slicing the shuttle in a sort of diagonal direction, so forwards and towards the right and if I remember correctly, she specifically says somewhere that you should get a feeling of the shuttle rubbing slightly on the strings. >_>'
     
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    doesnt slicing it cause it to go slightly bit higher on the net which might result in a kill? whereas pushing it can travel lower
     
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    I'm not sure if her slice serve is out dated or not, but I don't see it in any of the top 20 singles, doubles or mixed doubles players. Probably because it's difficult to deceive a flick serve with it. ;)
     

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