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Starting knot vs Tie-off knot on the top cross

Discussion in 'Badminton Stringing Techniques & Tools' started by taneepak, Jun 27, 2007.

  1. taneepak

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    I have noticed that there is a significant difference between using a starting knot on the first cross string vs a tie-off knot. Using a starting knot gives you more zip and also provides a much higher level of crispness to your shots. Using a tie-off knot, even if tensioned at 10% to 15% higher tension for the last cross string, makes it feel more soggy and renders flicks lacking in speed and bite.
    I would like to know your experience.
     
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    I used to use a tie-off knot at the top, but eventually changed to a starting knot. I have not noticed the sort of difference you are talking about.

    Maybe you have some problems with your technique ;)
    (or my observation skills leave something to be desired :eek: )
     
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    I use starting knot to start cross because if it is easier and less slipage. Is this what you are talking about?

    PS. Eepk, how was your silk road trip?
     
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    I have a few questions toward your observation:

    1. How many times your shots landed on the top 1-2 crosses? :eek: If most of the strokes landed on the sweet spot, then it's far away from the top cross, which has very min. impact.

    2. I understand the possible tension lost for the tie-off of the top cross. However, leave the racket for like 1-2 days, the string will pretty much pull all the tension to be even, or near to be even. I really wonder how much difference in feeling it will make.

    Overall, I think the tension and clamp of each cross during the cross stringing, is much more important than the tie-off knots, as long as you do it properly, and don't result into huge tension loss. :rolleyes:
     
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    -there are ways to alleviate the tension loss problem at top tie-off
    -the player is mis-hitting shuttles near the top of racket which string breakage is a bigger issue than not feeling as crisp:rolleyes:
     
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    So, what are the ways? :)

     
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    Nothing conclusive here but I have to agree somewhat as I (ironically) just started to test this about a week ago. I don't think there's a huge difference but I feel there is a noticeable difference.

    More as I know it...
     
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    Maybe it only applies to high tension. My standard tension is 28lbs/30.8lbs, and with this tensions I do notice the difference between the tie-off vs the starting knot. Some of my customers who play with high tensions also brought this to my attention-I didn't tell them I used a tie-off on their most recent racquets instead of a starting knot. They complain about a lack of crispness.
     
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    Ironic, I was just going to post about this. On further thought and inspection, I believe you have the solution. At lower tensions, 25lbs. or lower, I don't really feel a difference. But at 28lbs. and higher, I do feel there's a crisper feel with the starting knot at the top.

    I tried to replicate the starting knot on top feel with the tie-off on top. I went from 29lbs. to 32lbs. on the last 5 crosses, 34lbs. on the tie-off and it didn't have the same effect. In addition, I slightly warped the racket. :p
     
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    dinkalot had posted it before in bf already:p that is to increase the tensions on the last few weaves
     
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    34 lbs....:eek: what racquet is it?
     
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    34lbs. is nothing, imagine PeteLSD's tie-off at 38lbs. :p

    If you're a careful a stringer, most rackets can take 34lbs. I've strung a 5U flexy racket with a very soft frame at 32lbs. and it held up. I've strung plenty of old Cabs with a recommended string tension of no more than 18lbs. at 30lbs. They hold up great.

    You just have to know how and be careful. :)
     
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    Actually, I have done 38 lbs for the last cross string (throat) with the LF mounting system (rock solid).

    Yes, good ole CAB series are just great for high tension users.

     
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