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Super Series Finals, what if ...............

Discussion in 'Super Series Final 2011' started by AlanY, Dec 1, 2011.

  1. AlanY

    AlanY Regular Member

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    This is to carry on examining the 2012 London Olympics men’s single qualification.

    The qualification table after the China Open looks like this;
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    [TD]Lee Chong Wei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]78317[/TD]
    [TD]9[/TD]
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    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]2[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]75776[/TD]
    [TD]10[/TD]
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    [TD]3[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]71090[/TD]
    [TD]10[/TD]
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    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]4[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]67003[/TD]
    [TD]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]5[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]66330[/TD]
    [TD]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]6[/TD]
    [TD]JPN[/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]57156[/TD]
    [TD]13[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]7[/TD]
    [TD]VIE[/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]51359[/TD]
    [TD]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]8[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Zhengming[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]43610[/TD]
    [TD]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    As its stand Chen Jin at No 5 is out of qualification by a few hundred points behind Peter Gade. As only 2 per country are allowed for the SS finals in a couple of week’s time it’s important for Chen Jin to win the Korean GP gold as top seed to pick up the 7000 points. For the SS Finals lets assume the top 4 will be in the SF and the top 2 in the final.

    The is the table after the Korean GP Gold and SSF;

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    [TD]MAS[/TD]
    [TD]Lee Chong Wei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]87667[/TD]
    [TD]10[/TD]
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    [TD]2[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]80806[/TD]
    [TD]11[/TD]
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    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]3[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]77590[/TD]
    [TD]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]4[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]71103[/TD]
    [TD]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]5[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]68430[/TD]
    [TD]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]6[/TD]
    [TD]JPN[/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]59606[/TD]
    [TD]14[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]7[/TD]
    [TD]VIE[/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]51359[/TD]
    [TD]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]8[/TD]
    [TD]INA[/TD]
    [TD]Simon Santoso[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44084[/TD]
    [TD]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
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    Chen Jin is still at No 5 with the gap between him and P Gade grown bigger because P Gade should pick up more points to compensate his poor results lately.

    Now, after the New Year there are 2 SS, 2 SSP and 3 GP Gold left until the end of the qualification period. For the 4 big ones the best possible results for PG will be 4 SFs that will bring his total to 75413. This is important as it is less than both Lin Dan and Chen Long even if they don’t score any more points in the New Year.

    As for Chen Jin, out of the 4 big ones there is a 50/50 chance to draw into LCW’s half. Bearing in mind that both LD and CL will be secured as No 2 and 3 for London by then, they will give CJ a helping hand if needed. So, for the 2 big ones that CJ is at the other half of LCW I expect he will be in the final as minimum. Most likely will be 1 win and 1 runner-up irrespective of whomever on the other side of the net. For the 2 that he is in LCW’s half the worst would be 1 QF and 1 SF.

    That will bring the final qualification points to;

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    [TD]Lee Chong Wei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]87667[/TD]
    [TD]10[/TD]
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    [TD]2[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]80806[/TD]
    [TD]11[/TD]
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    [TD]3[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]78550[/TD]
    [TD]16[/TD]
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    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]4[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]77590[/TD]
    [TD]11[/TD]
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    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]5[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]75413[/TD]
    [TD]15[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]6[/TD]
    [TD]JPN[/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]59606[/TD]
    [TD]14[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]7[/TD]
    [TD]VIE[/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]51359[/TD]
    [TD]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD]8[/TD]
    [TD]INA[/TD]
    [TD]Simon Santoso[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44084[/TD]
    [TD]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]
     
  2. AlanY

    AlanY Regular Member

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    The SSF are for the top 8 players with a caveat of only 2 maximum per country throw the qualification into turmoil. On surface, the main losers are China and Japan with 5 of their top players/pairs not been able to complete. But if you look a bit deeper there are quite a few unexpected results.

    For the men’s single, Tommy Sugiarto (INA) was ahead of his two team mates just a couple weeks ago. Two of China’s top 8 men’s singles placed will be awarded to Hidayat and Santoso (both INA) with a minimum of 6000 points guaranteed. That will put TS back to No 3, almost impossible for him to catch up.

    For the men’s doubles, with the minimum of 6000 points plus the title at Macau GP Gold, China’s Chai Biao and Guo Zhendong will be back to No 8. That in turns will put a stop to GB’s Chris Adcock and Andrew Ellis. As Adcock will not be qualified for two doubles there will be one less place for the men’s singles, Pedro Martins (POR) is losing out here.
    The extra points for CHN and JAP also made it very difficult for the current champion Kido and Setiawan to qualify. They need to get into the top 8 and overtake INA’s 2nd rank pairs that have 3500 points advantage over them.

    For the women’s doubles, the 6000 points for Kamilla Rytter Juhl and Christinna Pedersen (DEN) will push Korea’s Jung Kyung Eun and Kim Ha Na out of top 8 thus cost them the ticket to London. The pair benefit from it is Aroonkesorn and Voravichitchaikul (THA).
     
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    this shows the ridiculousness and unfairness of the ranking points award in this SSF.... i think this should not be counted towards the OG qualification to be fair.
     
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    yeah
    points earned through advance or won tournament by retired and walkover gifted by teammate also shows the ridiculousness and unfairness,lol
     
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    If this is not counted, then we can expect some will turn down the invitation and lower ranked players will play. There may even be less effort for those who turn up. Because just playing and losing will get quite a lot of money.

    To make it fair, they should let maximum 4 per country for singles, and maximum 3 pairs for doubles.
     
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    Again, BWF didn't think this through very thoroughly, did they?

    If points are to awarded, then it should be the top 8 qualifiers and nothing else. They made it on merit and deserve to earn the extra points.
     
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    But if there are say 5 players from same country qualify(I would not single out any countries as any countries may be possible), then you have 1 group with 3 players from same country. Some "match fixing" may emerge.

    It is good to limit but not that fair for some players at the moment.
     
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    If you limit, those who deserve the points by finishing in the top 8 get cheated
     
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    Guess which country started and makes CHeatiNg in badminton fashionable?
     
  11. AlanY

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    after the withdrawn of KOR's LYD/JJS, their place and extra points will be awarded to INA's 2nd MD Chandra/Gunawan. i'm afraid the chance for the defending champion to come to London is getter more and more unlikely. what a shame!

    that's what i call a properly thought out tactical move by the Korean.
     
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    Haha, that's a very sumptuous conspiracy theory indeed.
     
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    on the subject of ranking points, does anyone know why Lee Chong Wei got nearly 2000 more ranking points than Lin Dan for the Sudirman Cup?
     
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    ok thanks. they need to change the way points are calculated then as that is ridiculous.
     
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    don't you start!
     
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    an update of the MS table after SSF;

    [TABLE="class: grid"]
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    [TD][/TD]
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    [TD]Player[/TD]
    [TD]Points[/TD]
    [TD] No of tournaments[/TD]
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    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]1[/TD]
    [TD]MAS[/TD]
    [TD]Lee Chong Wei[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]86017[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]2[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Lin Dan[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]82456[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]3[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Long[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]79240[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]4[/TD]
    [TD]DEN[/TD]
    [TD]Peter Hoeg Gade[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]71103[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]5[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Chen Jin[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]66330[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]6[/TD]
    [TD]JPN[/TD]
    [TD]Sho Sasaki[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]59606[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]7[/TD]
    [TD]VIE[/TD]
    [TD]Tien Minh Nguyen[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]51359[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]8[/TD]
    [TD]KOR[/TD]
    [TD]Lee Hyun Il[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48480[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]9[/TD]
    [TD]INA[/TD]
    [TD]Simon Santoso[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]48324[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Du Pengyu[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44940[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]10[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]11[/TD]
    [TD]CHN[/TD]
    [TD]Wang Zhengming[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44800[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
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    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
    [TD]INA[/TD]
    [TD]Taufik Hidayat[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]44190[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
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    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]13[/TD]
    [TD]JPN[/TD]
    [TD]Kenichi Tago[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]43430[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]12[/TD]
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    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
    [TD]GER[/TD]
    [TD]Marc Zwiebler[/TD]
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    [TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
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    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]15[/TD]
    [TD]KOR[/TD]
    [TD]Shon Wan Ho[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]38900[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
    [/TR]
    [TR="class: grid"]
    [TD="align: right"]16[/TD]
    [TD]INA[/TD]
    [TD]Tommy Sugiarto[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]38600[/TD]
    [TD="align: right"]14[/TD]
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    [/TD]
    [/TR]
    [/TABLE]

    Chen Jin still has some works to do if he wants another OLY medal next year
     
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    very brilliant analysis! BWF is the most unprofessional sports organization i have ever seen.

    At previous Sudirman cup, as I remember, China won the gold, and Indonesia was the semifinalist. China's Lin Dan defeated everyone, including cruising easily over Taufik twice in a row. But at the end, LD earned 6000 points by winning while Taufik awarded 8000 points by losing!

    Same applies to the current Sudirman cup, LD won all and win the cup, while LCW ended in the group, how come LCW awarded 2000 more points than LD, quite strange :confused::confused::confused:

    the only explanation is BWF unprofessionalism.
     
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    I'm finding it hard to believe that Lin Dan has played only one less tournament than LCW this year. Surely that can't be right?

    And I can't see Peter Gade being overtaken by Chen Jin in the rankings or points for that matter.
     
  20. AlanY

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    in fact, it's the other way round. LD actually played 1 more ranking t'ment than LCW since May as i only calculated the points for OLY
     

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