"I think my word is clear : "big blow" for XXZ and not CH. Being a reigning world champion, but not selected for OG it's really hard to accept. Before the big blow, XXZ won more titles than Chen Hong 9 vs 8. And who he beat to claim the 9th title ? It's Chen Hong." Yes. I understand how it may be hard for XXZ to continue to win when he was treated that way. But it still does not take away that Chen Hong won 13 titles. More than most players will. Unless he was facing XXZ in every final after the big blow and thus XXZ didn't have the confidence to win anymore, it does not take away the fact that Chen Hong was able to win his titles. "I think in the video, Taufik says AE is just another super series ?" But most people disagreed with him and said he only used that as an excuse to why he hasn't won it yet. I believe you quoted him in an article saying that during 2004 one of the title he wanted to win was AE, correct? And if you are only going to agree with Taufik thinks then you have to include that AG and SEA games are major titles too. But what one player says does not matter THAT much unless the world of badminton agrees with him. "What is the prestige to win AE ? History ? Then where is the history factor when BWF decided AE 06 = 4 stars tourney only, the same with ABC 06 ?That made the game so special ?" All England is one of the oldest tournament there is and many players that have won it rate is as the highlight of their careers. It used to be the unofficial World championship until BWF started their own one. As TBH so nicely puts it : Memorable Sporting Achievements: 2007 All England champion - "All England is also my favourite tournament as it's the oldest tournament." And Tine Baun/Rasmussen : Memorable Sporting Achievements: "The All-England titles in 2008 and 2010 - I love the All England, it's my favourite and the most prestigious tournament and the city is absolutely perfect with everything within walking distance. Winning my very first big achievement in Japan Open (World Superseries) in 2007. But every title has a very special place in my heart." And Peter Gade also mentions that AE among his greatest achievements : Memorable Sporting Achievements: "All England Winner 1999, Grand Prix Finals 1999, Japan Open 1999, Thomas Cup 2000 In KL beating Malaysia at home in front of 14000 fans. " And of course the All England site calls it the most prestigious tournament, but yeah, probably shouldn't count that. So most players and fans think that All England is a very special tournament. Maybe not a major but at least a step above regular super series/premier(?) tournaments. But having AE rated above the rest would not work for BWF. It would mean that there would be too many big tournaments that you really NEEDED to work for during a full year. You can't even have OG and WC in the same year. So even if most players and fan thinks it's a special or major title it would just not work. "Do you think the majority of China & Korea players attend AE with fresh condition most of the times just like they do in OG & WC ? No ! Why ? Bcoz AE only mickey mouse title for them. Really different for the majority players from Malaysia, and especially INA players. Playing badly in AE is not a shame for CHN & KOR players Jung comment can't change the status of AE. " You have kinda much proved to me that China does not rate the AE so highly but not that Korea don't. Jung's comment was the only one I could find about Korea and All England. So as one of the more successful Koreans right now I think that what he says matter. "It's not like that, but like this : But what about China & Korea players ? Totally different. For them, exhausted for mickey mouse event AE after play in Swedish / Germany is not a problem. If they can win AE, good. If they can't, also no problem. Mickey mouse AE surely different from the major like OG and WC." It sure seems like China does not rate the AE so highly. But I don't see it for the Koreans. The link you posted about how china teams rate their players also had some weirdness to it. Like... why i Du Pengyu a pre-a player? He hasn't won anything China considers a major yes? Not a medal in WC either... So that link is not proof that AE doesn't matter... "First you said the link is wrong, but then you said you don't know how China thinks abut AE. LOL. If you don't know how China think, then why you said the link is wrong ? As I said it before, AE = mickey mouse title for China.China & Korea (2 strongest countries in AE modern era, won > 60% of total AE title) looks down to all england. It's more than enough." In the link you said China AND Korea. I only empathized that. If you have proof that Korea look down on AE than show it. "You only involve CH when L D vs TH. Not XXZ, and not BCL, bcoz you wanna make TH looks good. and you only involve PGC when LCW vs TH. Why ? The same reason. Why not BCL ? Bcoz TH looks really bad. . You only involve the player that can make TH not so bad. Why LHI, BCL, CL and CJ not involved in L D vs TH ? " Gah. I did include most of that didn't I? I even had a separate post about LHI! Check post 1168 # 1172# and 1173 # But it looks you are right about CL and LD so here : 5-0 to LD 7-4 LCW vs CL and 2 /3 - 3/4 for CL. One retire there for Taufik but Chen Long was in the lead so he might have won it anyway, but TH won a 3 setter the year before so who knows... Read again. For CBA : CBA's tournament > mickey mouse all england. Who said CBA consider AE = major event ? https://www.sbg.ac.at/populorum/bad...showthread.php/15865-CHINA-road-to-championCH only played against weak players from weak teams (USA & Japan) in 2004 TC, but not against strong players from INA, KOR and Denmark . And from 2000 - 2006, CH never played in SF and Final of the Thomas Cup . But why you include CH and not Xia or Bao, we all know the reason I DID INCLUDE XIA and BAO! I mentioned all of them and most of their stats! I only mentioned CH slightly more because he has good stats against every other player except Taufik! go to Dec 2010 ranking, and click Lin Dan, see if BWF count AG or not ? If BWF not count for L D, then why they count it for TH ? IBF / BWF only count AG until 1994, SEAG until 95 or 97, East AG until 93. But IBF / BWF never count World Cup and World GP Finals. If TH win AG 94, then yes, it count. TH won 02 and 06 AG, surely not count. http://www.bwfbadminton.org/page.aspx?id=14955 And also AG 02 & 06 won by TH. Just because BWF does not count DOES NOT mean that the players and fans doesn't, most importantly the players. Everywhere I read about AG it is considered a major title. Lin Dan thinks it is, http://www.badzine.net/news/asian-games-lin-dan-voted-most-valuable-player/10138/ Badzine does: " "China’s Lin Dan received the “Most Valuable Player” award on Friday in Guangzhou for his achievement in the badminton event, scooping the only major title which had eluded him until now" And listen to what GC's co-commentator says when Taufik wins it in 2006. "...he cares about winning the matches that matter". And Lin Dan mentions it as one of his greatest achivements. So,yea. It looks like almost everyone rates it up there as a major. Every(?) Asian player and all the badminton commentators. The only reason I can think of it's not included in world ranking is that it simply would give every asian player a huge advantage of having more than 1 regional tournament(ABC) when Europe has nothing like it. But I'm sure that for asian players and the commentators and fans it is a major tournament. Whatever BWF has for reasons for not including it. "Minus 10 to L D and minus 6 to LCW is an indication how good taufik is ? Compare it to other MS and see how good taufik is ? hahaha Useless point. BCL can beat TH most of the times, that's why I said it is useless. TH so inferior in front of BCL " Those stats are just slightly of and you know that. I think we agreed that it isn't only BWFs H2H that counts, yes? And Lin Dan can beat LCW most of the times. It does NOT take away the titles LCW has won when Lin Dan didn't participate in that particular tournament.