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Terms used when we talk about Badminton Techniques and Training (Strokes/Shots)

Discussion in 'Techniques / Training' started by chris-ccc, Aug 2, 2010.

  1. chris-ccc

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    The Block and the Slice

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    Other ways to hit the shuttlecock can be the Block and the Slice.

    * Slice = A shot made when we hit the side of the cork of the shuttlecock. Slice Smash and Slice Dropshot are most common
    * Block = A shot hit by a racket-head swung with little or no movement at all. A Block Return of a Smash is most common
    * Push = A shot hit by a racket-head swung at constant velocity. A Doubles Low Service can be performed with a Push
    * XD Push Shot = Pushing the shuttlecock to the Side Tram Lines; directing it to fall between the front and the back players
    * Jia You = "Add Fuel" in Chinese (Mandarin). It is yelled/cheered to players to become stronger physically and mentally
    * Drive Return of Smash = A shot driven back quickly before our opponent is ready to intercept or to return it
    * Drive Service = A Service that is hit hard and fast, hoping to pass past a receiver before he/she is ready to intercept it
    * Deception = To fool and/or to wrong foot our opponent. Make him/her think we are executing this shot when we are playing another shot
    * Base Position = (For Singles Games) is the middle position between the net and the back line, and the middle position between the side lines
    * Defensive Clear = An overhead or underarm Clear executed to our opponent's Back Tram Lines; allowing us more time to return to our base position
    * Punch Clear = An overhead Clear executed to just clear over the highest reach that can be met by our opponent.
    * Spinning Netplay = A shot played near the net to our opponent's Fore Court, creating the shuttlecock to spin (rotating) over the net
    * Tumble = A shot played near the net to the our opponent's Fore Court, creating the shuttlecock to somersault once or more times over the net
    * Dropshot = A shot played from our overhead position to the Fore Court of our opponent's court
    * Dribble = Any shot played from ones' own forecourt to the opponents' forecourt with the shuttle passing in close proximity to the net tape.
    * Lift = A Clear which is played from an underarm stroke
    * Clear = Any shot played high (higher than the racket head held high) to our opponent
    * Service = The first stroke or shot played in a rally.
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    Could someone explain the difference between Spinning Netplay and Tumble?
     
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    Difference between Spinning Netplay and Tumble Netplay

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    I have explained Spinning Netplay and Tumble as follows;
    The difference is, one is;
    * Spinning = The feathers are rotating or spinning
    * Tumbling = The shuttlecock is somersaulting or tumbling

    That's how the terms were coined. But in practice, it is not easy to do a pure Spin and/or a pure Tumble. It is almost certain that the shuttlecock will exhibit Spinning and Tumbling at the same time.

    How we do Spinning depends on how the string-bed makes contact with the shuttlecock. Same as for Tumbling, how the string-bed makes contact with the shuttlecock. Unfortunately, I am a struggling coach; not rich enough to buy a video recorder to show you how to do them. :eek::eek::eek:

    See if I can find a trainee who has a video recorder; to record how they are done, and post the video in this thread. :):):)
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    would be wrong to not sticky this thread. :)
     
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    Giving terms used in different countries

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    Hi kwun,

    But you have to contribute too (your American terms). So far, I am almost the only one giving terms used in Australia. :(:(:(
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    The Lob

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    Received message asking about the Lob. :):):)

    In Australia, the term, Lob, is usually used for Tennis.
    Lob in Tennis has the same idea as the Clear in Badminton.
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    They're different names for the same thing.

    In England, "tumble net shot" is the more old-fashioned term. "Spinning net shot" has effectively replaced it.

    The motion of a spinning net shot can vary quite a lot. Most of the time the shuttle turns over itself while precessing; but occasionally the shuttle will remain inverted and "shake" instead (these are really nasty, but as far as I know they're also pretty random).

    All of these are just called "spinning net shots".
     
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    However, I would like to add that , for a "spinning net shot" , the shuttle spins wildly on its vertical Axis... And that wild spin makes it to follow its own unique trajectory. The spin generated can also lead to the " shake " or tumble....
     
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    Pure Spinning = Spinning on its vertical axis

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    I like the description: Pure Spinning = Spinning on its vertical axis; like a screw turning on its vertical axis when being screwed into the floor. The vertical axis stays/remains unchanged.

    Where as, the Pure Tumbling = The vertical axis is now doing the somersaulting; like a screw tumbling forward or backward in complete revolutions, with its tip and its head somersaulting. It is similar to how a tennis ball is turning; as executed from a top-spin or a back-spin stroke.
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    Yes ; for a PURE spinning net shot; the vertical axis may remain unchanged. But however, it is nearly impossible to do a pure spinning net shot. It always has SOME tumble or say that the axis tilts sideways and revolves around a temporary axis that gets created by the spin.
     
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    It's also rather useless to do a "pure spinning" net shot. Unlike the usual chaotically spinning net shots, a "pure spinning" net shot wouldn't improve the trajectory much and wouldn't cause the opponent the same difficulty in controlling his reply.

    You want the chaos. It's what makes spinning net shots good. ;)

    Unless, of course, you're talking about the rare inverted net shots, which are very hard to deal with because you can only hit the feathers.
     
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    It is nearly impossible to do a pure spinning net shot

    That's correct. It is nearly impossible to do a pure spinning net shot; as mentioned in Post #23:
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    When the shuttlecock is tumbling while spinning, the gyroscopic effect comes in

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    That's correct.

    A Tumble with little spin will be tumbling faster; as the cork wants to point downwards quicker because of the gravitational effect.

    A Tumble with more spin will help the vertical axis of the cork to stay horizontal, inverted, lopsided, etc, ... longer.

    In other words, when the shuttlecock is tumbling while spinning, the gyroscopic effect comes into play; to maintain/hold its orientation longer.
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    Is it a drive or push when the shuttle is taken near the top of the net and sent to the baseline? The ones that go out if you hit it too hard?
     
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    I'd say it's a push. A drive would normally be played from midcourt (or from rearcourt for the ambitious).
     
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    Dab = If a shot is hit very hard in a horizontal path (from the front of you)

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    Hi ixoye,

    Please be aware that we have different terminology used in different countries and/or used by different coaches.

    How you have described the shot is not clear enough. For it can be a;
    * Net Kill = If a shot is hit very hard in a downward path (from the front of you)
    * Side Drive = If a shot is hit very hard in a horizontal path (from the side of you)
    * Dab = If a shot is hit very hard in a horizontal path (from the front of you)

    The above shots are all done with our racket-head moving with acceleration (in speed); so they would not be Push Shots; since Push Shots are hit by the racket-head swung at constant velocity.

    When we think of pushing a shot, we pay more attention to the placement of the shot (place it to a location where our opponent finds hard to get there). As for the driving a shot, we think of not allowing our opponent to have time to react. Before he/she realises what is happening, the shuttlecock would have gone past vertical plane.
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    Sorry, I don't understand this properly.

    1. If you're close to the net and you hit the shuttle very hard in a horizontal path, then it will go out. I think ixoye is talking about shots where the shuttle is taken at around net height (but not high enough to be able to play a kill) and sent low to the back of the court.

    2. It's almost impossible to play any reasonable shot with the racket moving at constant velocity. When you say "constant velocity" or "with acceleration", I think you just mean "slow" or "fast". (Maybe when you're coaching these shots, if the student hasn't studied too much physics, you can tell them to hit with constant velocity and they'll do the right thing.)
     
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    Flick Service = A fast Service generated from a quick acceleration of the racket-head

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    An example of these fast and flat exchanges is demonstrated in our present day Mens Doubles matches; hit hard and flat just over the net, giving less time for opponents to react (and think).

    OK then, perhaps as close as with 'constant velocity' as possible. :):):)

    Earlier posts gave an idea of a Drive Service (Drive here implies the usage of the whole arm to drive the shuttlecock). Think of playing Squash; Drive the Squash ball hard and fast.

    But, there is another term used for a hard and fast hitting Service;
    * Flick Service = A fast Service generated from a quick acceleration of the racket-head created with the flick from our wrist
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    Yup, this is what I meant.

    Fast, flat exchanges are commonly done from around mid court, AFAIK. Do it from forecourt and the shuttle would go out I think.
     
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    The term "push" commonly causes confusion, because it's used both to describe a shot, and to describe a hitting technique. For instance, a backhand low serve uses a gentle "pushing action" to hit the shuttle.

    To make matters worse, it's hard to agree exactly which shots can be called pushes.

    Consider a return of doubles low serve, where the shuttle is hit flat towards a back corner. I would call this shot a "drive from the net" (or more concisely, "net drive"), but others (including the BE technique DVD!) would call it a "push to the rearcourt".

    Another return of this serve is to place the shuttle in the midcourt side tramlines, slightly beyond the service line. This is called a "push".

    You would expect that a "push shot" would use a "push hitting action". But this isn't always true: you can play a push from midcourt to midcourt, and the distance is sufficient that you probably need a (gentle) tap or rebound action to make the shuttle travel far enough.

    Personally, I consider pushes to be relatively flat shots, that fall somewhere between your softest option (play back to the net) and your hardest (play towards the rearcourt). Any push should land approximately in the front half of the midcourt (beyond the service line, but well in front of the doubles back service line).

    I wouldn't especially consider pushes of any kind to require "constant velocity" (constant over what time interval around contact?). They just need to be hit relatively gently.
     
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