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Thai Team Turmoil

Discussion in 'Thailand Professional Players' started by cooler, Feb 4, 2010.

  1. Krisna

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    China, however capitalistic, is not a democracy at all. So, the players are still under the palms of the government. They won't complain (openly). Thailand and Indonesia are different. We're infant democracies... imperfect, but starting to learn more and more... :cool:

    Yes... unfortunately, the current rule of the BWF gives too much power to the national association... meaning it is possible for BAT to not register an independent professional Boonsak to any international BWF tournaments. Thus, Charoen has the power to make Boonsak become an amateur international player against Boonsak's own will... :p Hahaha, thus, even if Boonsak wants to become a full-fledged professional, he can be forced by BAT not to become one... :p
     
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    Hope that BAT will sort this problem out soon!
     
  3. cooler

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    then i say bwf is partly to blame as well for being so one sided favoring national association and not allowing room for individual to respresent themself. This practice alone badminton can't never achieve the level of tennis that is now.
     
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    according to thai players, coaches and fans, BAT is the problem. Sorting problem=removing BAT executives. What is the chance/hope that executive will remove themself?
     
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    voting might solve the problem!:D
     
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    Boonsak was saying how he is being made an example of by Mr. Wattanasin, how he is being forced to pay for everything since he has his own sponsor but no one else has to even tho they have their own sponsors, too. And after 12 years of representing Thailand, he feels betrayed to be treated this way. Basically, Mr. Wattanasin is trying to prove that even to highest ranked member of the team HAS to bow down to him, but it backfired by having the whole team quit. They showed the letter from Mr. Wattanasin giving them the ultimatum about the contracts.
    Then the rest of the team is saying why do this when everyone has always had individual contracts and they get paid more, too. They complained that they are given little or no details of the contract Mr. Wattanasin wants them to sign for the team sponsorship. So this contract will basically let Mr. Wattanasin have total control of the sponsorship money.
    The coach said this was the last straw from all the problems they have had with the current administration.

    Sealman - No it is not the Thai way to come out in public and confront the management like this. So you can imagine how bad the situation has become for the team to resort to this.

    Ctjcad - That's what was said of the ex prime minister of Thailand, Mr. Thaksin. And now everyone sees how corrupted he really was.Mr. Thaksin is now in exile and can't return to Thailand or he faces criminal charges.
     
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    Also, I highly doubt Mr. Wattanasin is the reason the team has improved as much as it had in recent years. I think the coaches are the key figures here. Coaches Sompol and Udom actually cares alot for their players. These 2 coaches have even spent their own money to send the players on vacations.
     
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    ..yes, that's essentially the root of the dilemma. We can take a look around the other "prosperous" sports around the world : futbol (except when the World Cup rolls around, then it becomes nation vs. nation), golf, F1 racing, tennis, MLB etc. all are operated and sponsored privately.
    And guess which region/country will usually succeed in such a nationally-based environment : Asian, none bigger than big red China.
    Off topic - Yep. China is only "capitalistic"/has "democracy" in her economy. The rest, (political and social), we can say fuhgeddaboutit..:p
    However, i must say M'sia's system is pretty darn good (in terms of allowing their players to keep all of their winning cheque in their pocket).
     
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    A higher power than the President of BAT. Thailand fans - Do THailand have a Sports Minister i.e. govenrment?

    It's focuses more on results. For those just ok, KLRC's system of higher salary will work out better. Or independent player system (in terms of getting to go a fixed no of tourneys per yr regardless of results)

    But the association still have power to ban for 2 years if they dont like the fellow/dont want player to leave. :p
     
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    in this case, the whole team quit, rendering BAT a purposeless and useless organization without one decent player. Where as players can exist without BAT. They can come to canada and play for us:)
     
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    Not exactly whole team, 12 left, there're still some around, the seniors are gone though. But in team event, Thailand will be goners.

    If they serve the players a 2 yr ban, then Sudket, Saralee can be coaches. Canada will have a whole team for Sudirman, maybe TC, Uber, win some titles. Canada fans will be mighty happy
     
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    yes but i said 'decent' players. Those warm bodies who didn't quit know they got nothing to lose by staying. If they do play international tournaments, they'd prolly reach 1st round at best, a waste of airfare and hotels, and a laughing stock on BAT and thailand. With the top coaches quitting too, those stayed behind will go no where in term of skill development.
     
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    Ratchanok is 2009 WJC, 2009 Msia IC runner up but she's underaged, so, to stay or not may not be her decision to make. Then there's Portip, 2009 WJC runner up, should be 18 this yr. Also Sapsiree, 2009 Msia IC winner in WS, semi finalist for 2009 WJC in WD.
    All up & coming youngsters, who might not train under same coach as seniors. If they're under 18, maybe not their decision to make also
     
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    Huh? What does vacations have to do with improving team / player performance in badminton?

    confused
     
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    yes it does.
    if u don't believe so, give back your vacation allowance to your company:p

    i believe MAS team enjoy team R&R once in a while.
    The thai coach is doing BAT's job using their own money because the coaches believe in building team spirit. The team quit the national team, is that right??
     
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    can be part of their motivation plan...:D
     
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    It shows how much the coaches care for their players. It's not the team money but their own personal money. And it does improve team spirit as Cooler have said. The players have the utmost respect for their coaches cause they are not just players to the coaches.
     
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    Nod. they are more than coaches just teaching strokes and footwork. In chinese, we call them sifu. Other cultures may refer them as Master.
     
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    tanongsak is still in, right?:D

    victor power:p
     
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    BAT bickering: Princess concerned

    Published on February 11, 2010

    HRH Princess Sirivannavari Nariratana has expressed her concern over the bickering in the Badminton Association of Thailand (BAT), according to Lt Col Sakrapi Thongsalee, a member of the national coaching team.

    Last week, a group of players, led by world No 7 Boonsak Ponsana and some coaches, decided to quit the national team in protest against BAT's proposed sponsorship deal with Yonex. They were unhappy with the way they were treated on the matter as the association allegedly tried to force them into signing the contract or risk managing their own affairs.

    The dispute raised concerns outside the organisation and several parties tried to mediate in a bid to defuse the situation.

    The princess, herself a badminton player, was one of those who kept monitoring the event.

    Yesterday, the Sports Authority of Thailand governor, Kanokphand Chulakasem, invited Charoen Wattanasin, the BAT president, for a talk at his office, with Maj Gen. Charouck Arirachakaran, the Olympic Committee of Thailand secretarygeneral, also present during the discussion which lasted for around an hour.


    After the meeting, Kanokphand said Charoen agreed to accept the conditions that the players had proposed in solving the problem:

    1. The players can train at any court which is not under the association

    2. The organisation must respect the players' right to attend the national selection trial.

    3. The association must give approval to the players who are competing in professional circuit

    4. The organisation must postpone its plan to sign contract and the players allowed to consider the deal.


    "The matter is finished after both parties put the national interest first. I don't think we need to make any written document to guarantee they would not be at odds again since everyone is a professional.


    "We just needed to put the "team" contract on hold for the time being. They would consider signing the document if they are assured that it would benefit everyone. Going by the mood, I think it would be sooner than later," said Kanokphand.
     

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