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Thwack / Xiong Guobao technique videos

Discussion in 'Techniques / Training' started by kwun, Sep 11, 2011.

  1. kwun

    kwun Administrator

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    some are quite good. some are ok. but all are used to promote his range of Thwack rackets...

    [video=youtube;ZqYuhuj0P28]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqYuhuj0P28[/video]

    [video=youtube;l7wU2ou5wwQ]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7wU2ou5wwQ[/video]

    [video=youtube;TcJp6azQGW0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TcJp6azQGW0[/video]

    [video=youtube;Zo0DIiQOtV0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zo0DIiQOtV0[/video]

    [video=youtube;dl-ei5xOUTs]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl-ei5xOUTs[/video]

    [video=youtube;y5OKXnipuHg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5OKXnipuHg[/video]

    [video=youtube;e03v77Fpzjw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e03v77Fpzjw[/video]

    [video=youtube;R6gK4ye6LQM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R6gK4ye6LQM[/video]

    [video=youtube;8HDFou66ZYM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8HDFou66ZYM[/video]

    [video=youtube;9cwNmU7Ty0g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cwNmU7Ty0g[/video]

    [video=youtube;bLCs1D55ZJY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bLCs1D55ZJY[/video]
     
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    Ahhh Kwun I was about to post a thread on this but it seems you beat me to it by a couple days. I haven't gotten used to having the "web space" he describes between the racket and your palm. It makes sense because it allows more room for you to tighten your grip and thus making the backhand shot more explosive at the moment of impact. It'll take time for me to make that "web space" second nature when I do my backhand because I do believe it will squeeze out some more power out of my backhand stroke. I think mainly it's because I've become so used to resting the racket on my palm when I perform the stroke

    Aside from that, I like the forehand smash video because I actually learned something from it. He mentions at 0:45 of the video to have that 90 degree angle for both arms when in the stance to hit a smash or a clear in order to create more power. I myself have that small angle that he demonstrates that most badminton players shouldn't have and thus limits the range of motion your racket can wind up and really generate power.

    I actually tried that 90 degree arm thing today and I definitely noticed a pretty sizable difference in the power generated though I have to adjust my timing with the new stance since it takes a little longer to complete the stroke. People have always told me that my smash stroke seems unnatural and that it didn't look like a "full" or "complete" stroke. I guess this is what they meant.
     
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    In regards to the backhand clear video, what do you guys think about stepping out with your right foot at the same time as hitting the shot (he does that at around 1:45)?

    I was trained in that manner but a coach recently told me I should step out first, and then hit the shot so that I am more stable when I hit the shot.
     
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    Stepping first will allow you to recover more quickly after your stroke. I would say this is more important for an attacking backhand stroke like a drop or smash. Stepping first is, in my opinion, essential for a backhand drop. However, for a clear, I think there is some degree of personal preference. I don't think you need to plant your foot, BUT, it would make your base more "stable".
     
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    Backhand clear technique and racquet face

    I'm starting to rework most of my shots and came across these videos. My question is regarding the backhand clear as demonstrated above video 4.

    He is hitting the shuttle with the racquet face facing the person - I usually hit with the other side - which is the correct way of doing it. Basically looking for power and control with the least amount of stress on the arm and body.

    Thanks in advance
    PS: If his technique is not recommended which other technique might be good - Amazingly I didn't see any analysis of Taufik Hidyat's technique on youtube.
     
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    I am not sure I understand your post... he prepares for the stroke, uses a backhand grip, and uses a normal backhand hitting action... the same backhand hitting action that Taufik Hidayat uses, and all other pro players (sometimes there are variations in which grip is used, ranging from a full thumb grip to a bevel grip to a panhandle grip, but the technique is the same regardless of grip).

    Would you mind trying to clarify what you mean? How can you possibly hit a backhand using the other side of the racket face?

    Good luck!
     
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    Thanks for the response. Yes, if you look closely most players hit the shuttle with the racket face facing away from the person (outside). But Xiong Guo Bao hits the BH clear with racket face that is facing him (inside - his body - inside racket face - outside racket face). I guess his grip, he's using is a forehand grip on the backhand side. This was counter intuitive for me.

    There is another video of him on youtube teaching this at a seminar - but it's in Mandarin and most of my Chinese friends aren't able to translate it.

    I am not sure if I explained to clearly but take a look most players (including me) hits with the outside facing racket face (Hidyat also) but Guo Bao is teaching hitting with the racket face - looking towards you. Using forehand grip on the backhand side.

    Thanks
     
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    I am sorry, I really don't understand what you mean. As a coach, I know fairly well how all players hit successful backhands, and they all do it the same, INCLUDING in these videos.

    I will try to explain my point: Lets imagine you hold your racket in your hand. If you hit a forehand, you will use the side of the racket that is facing in the same direction as your palm. If you were to tweak this to a backhand grip, you would use the other side of the racket face i.e. the side facing the same way as your knuckles, or opposite your palm. This concept is true for taufik and for the videos posted above.

    What is unusual about the video above, is that, before contact, the player waits with his elbow high, whereas taufik waits with his elbow low. If you start with the elbow low, the racket head points up, and the hitting face (closest to knuckles, away from palm) is indeed facing away from you. However, as soon as you start your shot, you will raise your elbow and your racket will drop (and point downwards). At this point, your knuckles and the hitting face are pointing towards you, not away from you. This is the same as in the video above. After that, you reach up for contact and hit using the same side of the racket.

    Thus the only difference between taufik and the video above, is that the "ready" position is different, one has a high elbow and racket pointing upwards (taufik), the other skips this first position and starts with the racket pointing down and the elbow high (XGB). If you stopped and analysed a video of taufik mid backhand, you would see him in the same position shown in the video above.

    XGB is actually using a full thumb grip as far as I can tell, not a forehand grip. Thus, they are both hitting the same way, but waiting in different positions BEFORE they hit the backhand. Thats all.

    Does that make sense? Not sure I explained very well!
     
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    Yep, Matt explains it very thoroughly.

    We've discussed Guo's backhand extensively in a previous thread last yr. Essentially he hits it in exactly the same manner as everyone else (including Taufik), but his preparation is unorthodox as he uses a hyper pronated forearm in winding up. And this tricks your eyes to think that he's hitting with the palm side of the racket.
     
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    Great explanation, MSeeley. I just want to add that XGB video is very useful for beginners in a way that it forces you to keep your elbow high, pre-pronate your forearm and short swing action is easier for timing.
     
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    Thanks MSeeley, let me take another look perhaps I have it backwards. I like the knucle and palm side to represent the racquet face. Your explanation is very clear. I just want to see what I'm trying to do with XGB method and see how it fits with your description.
     
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    elbow up and high in preparation is how many coaches teach their students to do overhead backhand.

    and i believe one of the major reason is not whether it is correct or not, after all, who can argue correctness against Taufik. but the reason is that it prepares the student ahead of the stroke. raising the elbow in backhand is as important as raising the elbow in forehand, but in backhand it is very unnatural. so coaches stress that in preparation so student won't learn a bad technique by dropping the elbow. i think it is as simple as that. and that's how i was taught backhand.

    a natural master like Taufik, he can do whatever he wants. :)
     
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    Xiong Guo Bao - Backhand video 3/3

    I am not sure if I understanding this but it appears Xiong Guo Bao is saying don't lift up the elbow in this video. at 2 minutes.
    [video=youtube;NrcHGwEHGv0]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrcHGwEHGv0&t=2m[/video]
     

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