But Susi wins much more tittle than Gong. That's why I will say that Susi is still better than Gong. As I said before that Susi was not so good as a teenager despite her experiences at early stages, that's I think why she couldn't win 1 medal in major event at that time. But again as I said before, after that she's improve and later in early and mid 90's she won many major tittles. So I would say that it's so ridiculous to judge her as a weak player just because she couldn't won any as a teenager, while she is rated as one of the greatest, based on what she achieved in her prime. It looks like that you do not even want to take a glance at her prime time --when she was great-- and judging her only by her lost in earlier time --when she was not so good already-- and later when she was declining --when she was lost and overtaken by Gong Zichao. I agree that there's no way to said such a word to a great player like LLW. But in detik forum you also said that Susi is weak and a looser. Don't you think that an insult to her ???