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Tricks to help with the New scoring system

Discussion in 'General Forum' started by coops241180, Jun 30, 2006.

  1. coops241180

    coops241180 Regular Member

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    Hi all, we had our annual council dinner last night, and the topic of the new system came up. The older members complained that they couldn't figure out who was serving and where from and where to in the same way that they could with the old system.

    Much discussion ensued..

    in the end we discovered a couple of great tricks to help players rememeber who is serving.

    1. The players on the court take turns serving. the order that the players serve in remains constant throughout the game and is determined by where your standing at the beginning of the game. (likewise with the old system you knew who was even and odd)
    1.1 - the order works as follows: if your side serves first then you will serve always serve after the opponent that was stood diagonally opposite you at the beginning of the game. If you are receiving first then you will serve after the person stook directly opposite you at the beginning of the game.

    2. Player on the same side take turns serving - if your partner served last time you had the serve then next time you get the serve it will be your turn to serve

    3. With these two bits of information, all you need to do now is remember the score, since where you serve from is still from the right court for even numbers and from the left court for odd numbers


    So you see - the NSS isn't as confusing as it first appears. it just needed somebody to find the tricks to help us remember where to stand.

    Kwun - this could perhaps be a sticky as i believe it is a very helpful set of tricks for those who want to try the NSS.

    enjoy

    Coops
     
  2. Neil Nicholls

    Neil Nicholls Regular Member

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    you don't need 2 or 3 do you?
    Isn't 1 enough?

    I think this is a good tip.
    But as you get older you will even find that after some rallies nobody can remember who served...
     
  3. coops241180

    coops241180 Regular Member

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    true, but having more than one way to remember it gives those with the goldfish memory span options :d

    glad it helps..

    Coops
     
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    I just thought with the NSS, if the score is odd, then its the left box who serves, and if its even, then the right box serves (in doubles that is)

    | A | B |
    ======
    | C | D |

    if D serves first
    D to A, point won

    | A | B |
    ====== 1 - 0
    | D | C |

    D to B, point loss

    | A | B |
    ====== 1 - 1
    | D | C |

    B to D, point loss

    | A | B |
    ====== 2 - 1
    | D | C |

    C to A, point won

    | A | B |
    ====== 3 - 1
    | C | D |

    C to B, point loss

    | A | B |
    ====== 2 - 3
    | C | D |

    A to D

    but I guess your trick is another way of remembering it
     
  5. husaari

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    Have been playing with the new scoring systems for a few weeks now.

    I don't think it is such big a problem to figure out who's serving. We usually remember which of us was the last person to serve, so it must be the other one. And, of course, the score dictates the side where to serve from.

    It is much harder to come up with a reasonable and easy rule to remember who should be receiving who. Of course, if you make a mistake here, you discover it at the latest when you score your next point and the service comes over to you again, since you probably know who should serve next (without changing sides with your partner again). If the receiver was wrong, you must change sides.

    There is a logic to all of this, but I cannot put it into words so that it would be easily understood and remembered during the game. Anyone? :)
     
  6. coops241180

    coops241180 Regular Member

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    i suppose the way to remember who is receiving is also simple - if you know who is going to serve next (when you win the serve back) then you just make sure they're stood in the correct box. - if your going to be serving next then you should be stood in the left box if your score is even and the right box if your score is odd (so that when you win the rally and the point your position is correct to be serving)

    make sense?

    Coops
     
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    actually very easy ............

    1. Odd point ---> serve from LEFT
    Even point ---> serve from RIGHT

    2. No 2nd serve

    3. There will be no player serve twice (after service over) ..... e.g. Player A pair with Player B ....... before service over, player A serves, then service over to their opponent ....... and if service is over to them again, then player B shall do a serve ........
     
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    Does that mean if you start playing a match on the left or right service square of your side of the court, you'll stay positioned on that same square for every point of the set without the need to switch squares after scoring points?
     
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    Pls remember that if your side's score is even the serve should be taken on the right side, odd on the left side. You and your partner do not switch sides when receiving, and when serving only when you win a point, necessary to maintain that even and odd vs left/right side rule. It is actually very simple, much simpler than the old system.
     
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    If you study Oinkers' chart, the answer is NO.

    In his example, although it was a coincidence that A and partner B seem to remain where the were at the very start, because they did not win any more point after that till the last Chart 6, when C to B, point loss, 2-3. At that juncture, A gets back to serve as the score is even 2-3. If A wins a point 3-3, A will change court with B and will continue to serve and change court if they did not lose any point.

    As for C and D, you can see from the charts that they have changed court two times at scores 1-0 (when D has served and won a point) and 3-1 (when C regained service at 2-1 and subsequently scored a point for their team to make it 3-1).

    The partners will change court only if they scored a point after they have regained service.
     
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    please see taneepak's explanation above.

    in the new system, there will be 2 possibility you get a point :

    1. When your opponents do a service, then you win the rally or your opponents make a mistake ----> The service over to you and at the same time you get a point.
    In this case you do not need to switch your position with your partner, just see/remember your point : Odd from Left, Even from Right.

    2. You do a service, then you win the rally or your opponents make a mistake ---> You get a point and you still keep doing a service, but you have to switch your position with your partner, again remember : Odds from Left, Even from Right.

    You can find a simplified explanation of 21-rally point system here (from IBF website, but I put it in my pages): http://www.m-aa.com/simplified%20new%20rally%20points%20scoring%20system%20final.pdf

     

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