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Umpires call fault on server

Discussion in 'Rules / Tournament Regulation / Officiating' started by westcoast_sing, Oct 16, 2013.

  1. westcoast_sing

    westcoast_sing Regular Member

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    Service judge only judges height of service delivery. Umpire can call anything else, in this case the server was standing on the centre line... although this is being really nitpicking considering it was at 19 all.
     
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    Service judge can call for Service height of delivery and racket (head) not pointing in a downwards direction. Doing the later invariably means the former fault is also occurring.

    Always find it amusing when players get called on either one they have to go over and check with the service judge despite one of two very clear hand signals are given showing which fault was called.
     
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    Both the service judge and the umpire can call this kind of fault (foot touching the line).
     
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    it would be hard for the service judge to judge the "foot on the line" call if the service judge is on the same side as the server serving (left or right), so it would make sense that the umpire have to step in and call the fault.
     
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    westcoast_sing Regular Member

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    It is logically not right for umpire to be allowed to call the fault on server's foot just because the service judge is unable to see the line because being block by the feet/shoe of the server, because it will not be apply to the receiver. Can the service judge call fault on receiver if the same thing happens?
     
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    It is a fault for server or receiver to step on the lines during service. The umpire has ultimate authority to call any and all faults.

    It's just that the service judge is seated at the correct height to judge the server and so that is solely his job: whether the racket head has exceeded the allowed height or angle. He has no authority to call any other faults on the server nor receiver.

    But what's unusual in this case is that the umpire was paying attention to the server whereas he's supposed to pay attention to the receiver at service to make sure the receiver doesn't move before service delivery.
     
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    Ic, i understand now that the umpire has the right to call the fault on the server.

    Is that mean that the rules is not really well cover yet? Because there is a loophole in the rules where umpire has to cover both sides (server and receiver).
     
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    http://www.worldbadminton.com/rules/

    The umpire calls every let and fault that he sees during the game according to the rules above, including and not limited to:

    delays of service,
    service errors as discussed (like receiver moving before service delivery, server/receiver stepping on lines at service, etc)
    shuttle being hit twice,
    shuttle touching the body/clothing,
    hitting shuttle before crossing over net,
    touching the net,
    blocking your opponents stroke or follow thru,
    encroachment under the net,
    distraction,
    poor sportsmanship,
    etc.


    He can even overrule any line calls if he sees fit.

    The only thing he can't judge due to his high chair position is left to the service judge, whether the racket head was within the correct height and angle. And that's all the service judge does, nothing else. No other faults. Zilch. As a matter of fact, he doesn't even need to speak... he just raises his arm either high or at an upward angle.
     
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    Yes, umpires can call service faults.

    3.3.1.3
    during the service, if a service judge is appointed, especially watch the
    receiver. The Umpire may also call service fault, if necessary;

    The umpire does focus mostly on the receiver, but also keep an eye on the server as well.

    Like said above, the service judge's job is just to be nothing but deciding whether or not a serve is legal. But they will also assist umpires in times of need (discreetly)
     
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    Didn't want to start a new thread but I have a question regarding service faults.

    The two main ways to be faulted are;
    a) Serving above the waist
    b) The shaft of the racquet is pointing upward

    My question: Is it even possible to serve from below the waist with the racquet head pointing up? Surely at all times a fault serve is from serving too high?!?!
     
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    the definition of the waist is the lowest rib. that's just around where the elbow is. so it is very possible to serve below the waist and have racket point upwards from horizontal.
     
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    Definitely. Especially during a flick serve.
     
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    Well there are some more service faults, like moving your feet and double action. Also the service judge is in charge of handing out new shuttles, and will go stand next to the umpire for a small-talk in between games. :p
     
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    This is a factual position. Even when Service Judge is in place, Chair Umpire can call all types of service faults. Chair Umpire is overall in-charge of match in hand.
    Chair Umpire calling service faults happens very rarely and it actually speaks lot about services judges inability of noticing a service fault.
    Under such circumstances following are possibilities :
    1. Service Judge is not competent enough and experienced enough.
    2. Service Judge is not attentive enough or taking his job lightly. May be he is sleeping.
    3. Chair Umpire is overenthusiastic or is overreacting.
    But, Umpire can call all kinds of service faults.
     
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    Though the umpire is allowed to call service faults on height and ankle of the racket, it is very unlikely. Everyone who has ever sat on the umpire-chair will know the reason why:
    It is literally impossible to correctly judge these things from above there, except of REALLY severe cases...
     
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    Is the contact call in the 11th edition rules if so where?, or am I correct that its a sort of supplement that came after the 11th edition?
     
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    Marking of the waist line at each player's shirt

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    I have a simple idea for BWF to avoid or at least minimize the controversy of the relative waist-line service fault call.

    This idea is cheap, and practically easy to apply, within short time.

    BWF should issue a new regulation to change the player's shirt to now includes the OBVIOUS MARK OF WAIST LINE, and such circular waist line mark must be made DISTINCTIVELY (in some particular vivid color) and ACCURATELY. Possibly the HEIGHT of such waist line be kept into the BWF official database so every one should know where is the accurate position (height) of each player's waist line!

    By having this clear guideline, the task of assistant to umpire who oversees the player's service will be made easier and more certain and consistent, avoiding those controversial calls of service faults and minimize the relativity and subjectivity associated to such calls!

    At least this is some interim solution until BWF has better way out over the legal service call against the RELATIVE/IMAGINARY waist line as being imposed currently.

    Feel tired to watch the less consistent calls of service faults from one official (asst. to umpire) to the other, for the rule has its own inherent relativity, how to determine the precise height of one's waist line behind the shirt???

    What do you think?
     
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    Who decides and how do you know the printer will do it correctly? Who does the printing? Is it done in the player's own country or done by BWF? Some players have difficulty getting their sponsor's T shirts (it's true! I spoke to one player [not famous] told me he had this problem).


    It cannot be standard as people have different body lengths?
     

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